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Buying A Car At Auction

Published 26 January 2009 in Make your money go further

Malcolm Wheatley reckons car auctions are a good place to pick up a cheap motor.

Over the years, I’ve bought several cars at car auctions. By doing so, it’s possible to save serious amounts of money. Yet it’s also possible to lose serious amounts of money, by buying a ‘dud’ that needs expensive repairs. While buying cars at auctions isn’t for the faint-hearted, the downturn in the economy means that auction prices are even lower than usual. So here’s how to take the plunge and bag a motoring bargain.

1) Choose a reputable auction company 

Auctions aren’t the back street affairs of yesteryear: British Car Auctions, for example, is a multi-million pound business with 21 sites across the UK. 

It auctions vehicles on behalf of former owners such as car hire companies such as Lex Leasing, LLoyds TSB Autolease, and Pendragon -- names familiar to anybody with a company car, for instance. And if you’re looking for a very specific vehicle, look for auctions that list their catalogues on their websites beforehand.

2) Research how the car auction process works

Basically, you’re buying a car ‘as seen’, and although some vehicles do carry warranties against major defects and false claims, you sometimes have only an hour or so to detect the fault and notify the auctioneer. 

Read the small print as to what constitutes a major fault, and take the vehicle for a test drive as soon as you can. Remember that by buying at auction, you’ll be buying a newer vehicle than would otherwise be the case -- which offers some protection. You can always restrict yourself to buying a car no older than, say, two years, further minimising the risk of buying a faulty car.

3) Research the hidden costs 

The price at the fall of the hammer isn’t the only cost you pay: at British Car Auctions, for instance, there’s a buyer’s fee of £244 for a vehicle costing £3000, which rises by £5 for every additional £250. 

This ‘levy’ is how the company indemnifies buyers against proving to be stolen property, the subject of outstanding hire agreement, having a false mileage reading, or being an insurance write-off. For a fee, the RAC’s ‘Car Data Check’ service will alert you to any such problems -- and you can check before you buy, either by phone (£14.99) or on-line (£9.99). You can read about the RAC’s Car Data Check here.

4) Take title of the vehicle as soon as you can

At British Car Auctions, a storage fee of £17 + VAT is chargeable for each day or part-day the vehicle remains uncollected. Other auctioneers have similar fees. So not only are you paying out more money, you can’t test drive it until you own it, and meanwhile it’s sitting there in the compound at your risk, not the previous owner’s. I once had a radio button stolen from a car before I paid for it. Who would do that?, I wondered -- until I saw the price of the replacement button.

5) Understand the payment methods 

Car auctions used to accept cash, telegraphic transfer, or banker’s draft. Now you can pay by credit card and debit card as well. Research each, and the costs -- there’s usually a handling fee for credit cards, but not debit cards. Clearly, a fee of 2% + VAT on a £4,000 vehicle is worth avoiding, if you can. 

On the other hand, to pay by cash, debit card or banker’s draft, you’ve got to have the money in your account. Be aware, too, that there’s often a requirement to pay a deposit once you have made the highest bid. At British Car Auctions, a deposit of 10% or £500 is required, payable by cash or Switch at the rostrum.

6) First, go along to watch, not buy 

Once you’ve chosen your auction and researched the system and the costs, go along and watch. Don’t take any money, leave the plastic at home, and go and see how it works in practice. The pace is fast and furious, with cars being driven in front of the auctioneer for only a minute or two before the hammer falls and bidding starts on the next one. Next time, tell yourself, you’ll be here for real: does it feel comfortable?

Pick an example of the sort of car that you might be interested in, and follow it through from the compound to the hammer-drop -- this is your opportunity to listen to the car’s engine, ask the driver any questions, and generally make a judgement about whether you would feel happy to bid on the vehicle. To get a feel for prices, and to avoid over-paying, take along a copy of Parker’s Guide to second-hand car values, available from most newsagents. Remember, this is a practice -- so that when you do it for real, you’ll be able to concentrate on getting a good deal.

7) When buying ‘for real’, take along backup

For a start, ask a mechanically-minded friend to accompany you, if possible -- they’ll stand a better chance of hearing ‘odd’ engine noises, or spotting something that’s not right. And take your spouse or partner, if the car is for them -- it’s a little too late to discover they don’t like mustard-yellow when the car is sitting on the drive! The usual rules for going to an auction apply: agree an upper limit for what you’re prepared to pay, and venture beyond this with extreme caution.

If all that sounds too scary, remember this: you’ve nothing to lose by going through steps 1-6, but then dropping out without buying if it all seems a bit too much. So undertake the research, and then decide for yourself if it’s for you. My experience was that after watching dozens of low-ish mileage ex-fleet cars go under the hammer, it was surprisingly easy to conclude that they couldn’t all be lemons, and that the risk was worth taking. Happy hunting!

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For the record, Malcolm Wheatley has no connection with British Car Auctions -- even as a satisfied customer. None of the cars he has purchased at auction had any faults or defects, and his wife still mourns the loss of her favourite one -- a mustard-yellow Mazda 323, bought at an auction in Leeds many years ago, having done 14,000 miles under one careful lady owner. Honest!

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It's worth noting that achieved auction prices have gone up sharply in the last few weeks since the new year, and that different cars achieve above and below "book" prices: blindly following a guide won't work.

CamaroJace said

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I found this article very informative and I thank the author. MonsterMixer - I don't think that Malcolm suggested for one second that you "blindly follow a guide" as you put it. I think you'll find he was suggesting that you use your own discretion. However, the guide is, as the name suggests, a guide. And as most dealers use either the Glass price guide or Parkers, I would think that it may be a useful guide to take along for price guiding purposes. Whilst prices may have gone up at auctions recently, you may also find that dealership prices have largely dropped. Due to the fact that the likes of Ford and Vauxhall are hard-pressed to sell any new cars, they are almost giving them away (I don't mean that literally, before anyone jumps down my throat) as a direct result the bottom has all but fallen out of the second-hand car market, i.e. why buy a year old focus for £8995 when you can buy a new one for £10995? I thik you'll find with all this, the whole point that Malcolm is trying to make is that there are ways to save money, you just need to use your head and think wisely.

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I would agree with any advice which says "buyer beware". Ihave a series of tips and tricks for buying at auction. Some of which include buying coffees for the auction drivers - they will tip off "freinds" to defects in the way cars drive which they aren't allowed to tell the punters...

One thing of note is that while certain cars can be had cheap at auction some auction prices are actually a fair bit higher than whaty you would pay for the same car from a private seller. With a private seller you can also test drive the car and also get a feel for the person who has been driving and maintaining it.

Auction bargains are all well and good so long as they are bargains. It seems to be the popular and mid priced stuff which sells at a premium because the traders want it on their forcourt because it sells. So buyers looking for tax-break diesel hatchbacks and the like will often do better int he private sale market place. If you want a BMW M5 or a Range Rover Sport or similar I hear these are selling at a significant mark down on book right now (I haven't been to the auctions in some months myself).

As with most things its a case of "horses for courses"

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I agree with everything that has been said regarding buying at auction, with the exception of buying coffees' for the drivers.

We are a company who buy for the Motor trade and private people at the British Car Auctions and Manheim Auction sites.

We can confirm that the prices have risen steeply since the start of the New Year and this has been caused mainly because of the lack of new car sales which produces all used cars.Also,some of the lease companies are extending their contract periods from 3 years to 4.The dealers have been selling cars and find themselves short of stock and they, in turn, are attending the auctions to replenish their stocks.

jheenan1 said

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The market id flooded with good quality used cars, and new cars that you can test drive at your leisure. Why take the risk of going to an auction unless you are an expert and mechanic. It seems to much risk for too little if any reward

jfuller105 said

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I bought several cars at auction during the 80's and 90's, some good, some not so good, all at the bottom end of the market. Also sold several, secure in the knowledge that I would not have to face the buyer.

These days, eBay represents a much better option, as you can track the selling price of a large number of similar cars before (over)committing yourself to buying. Look for auctions that finish during the day, midweek, as generally they will have less people watching the end of the sale. I have boughtat least ten cars for my partner and myself on eBay over the years - some for several thousand to use long-term and many for just a couple of hundred to use as stop-gaps between selling one (again, on eBay) and buying the next nice one. I have only experienced one bad deal in all this time, a clocked car which I should have recognised immediately as there was no service history, but in my opinion the best ones to go for are ex-fleet cars which have an honest high mileage but a no expense spared service record. And the additional advantage of eBay is the Feedback system, check what previous buyers have said about your potential seller. I wouldn't buy a car any other way now.

MrRee007 said

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I have been in the market for buying a couple of cars over the last 6 months.

It's interesting to hear that values have increased steeply - I still see the very same cars on Dealers forecourts, unsold for 6 months! ...... so, I don't know who is paying the inflated prices? Dealers can't sell - so, it cannot be them.

That said, I did visit a Dealer on Saturday - they did seem busy, but hard haggling was going on ... I watched and listened as a car marked up at £17,995 went to a very cool private buyer for £12,750!

I have found Parkers Used Car Price Guide is not that accurate on the true prices ..... go online to WiseBuyer Car Guide and use their prices, which are pretty spot-on!

Happy hunting .....

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i decided not to change my car after seeing its value drop below what i consider it to be worth. instead i paid out for a good service and new tyres. I'm sure i'll get at least another year trouble free motoring, i consider modern cars good for at least five years and over 100k miles if regularly serviced, this cost me considerably less than the current depreciation rate on cars and the rate of depreciation slows on my car as it gets older.

i believe private sellers present the best opportunity for picking up a decent bargain as they're cash hungry right now.

ITexpert77 said

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MrRee007, wow! What car and dealership was that, that sold for £12750 on a sticker price of £17995?

We're trying to buy a car for the last month, and new or used have big problems getting discounts. We only been offered £1000 (on a £20k new car) and £500 on the same car used (£14k). Tried various dealers, walked out in every occasion. Cars in question Nissan Qashqais. Nothing changed after the factory fired 1200 people, things actually got worse, now it's 2 months for delivery of a new one!

SiGl26 said

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ITexpert77 - want to save money? Buy a less fashionable car...

ITexpert77 said

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Cost the same to buy a boring Golf with much less accessories! Although the Golf has better mpg, but I'm real scared to buy a new model that just came out, they are for the guinea pigs :D

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Can anyone comment on how the prices of secondhand commercial vehicles are going - I am particularly interested in the Mercedes Vito or a similar sized van.

harryworth said

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Usefull comment from above. Have purchased cars under most of above ebay being the only exception.

Tops for me if you have the time is private. if you are in a rush the auction takes some beating but you have to do your research in either as with most things in life. that tip to use wise buyer guide is a good one.

Just got a tidy ex bt transit connect for the right money some tidy examples at reasonable prices. Good hunting. Usefull artical by the way.

pensview said

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Esecially for Bailyhildog, my husband bought a Renault Traffic 33 - big high roof van, sliding side door etc(not a van expert myself) last April, paid £8000 for it, now less that 12 months later and he has moved from s/emp to employed and does not need the van. The same garage have offered him £4000 - half what he paid for and he has done less that 6000 miles in it (or there abouts) I know that if they took it they would put it up for £7000, what do you do, sit it on the drive and wait to sell it privately or let the garage have it on a part exhange and know they will make a packet. My advice having forked out for a garage bought vehicle is when buying from a garage you are paying for peace of mind and come back if necessary - anything else forget it. In hindsight, we should have bought privately and cheaper as even it it did have something mechnically wrong with it costing £1000 we would still have saved money.

MaxyzK said

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Yes, buying at auction does take some beating. You can see so many cars all at the same time, and then narrow down your search to a handful of suitable ones. However, in my experience, there are a few extra things to watch out for. Having bought a few cars through the auction floor for personal use, I've found that the best bargains to be had are either the first cars going through, or those towards the end of the auction. This is because people are either still arriving when it starts, or have left before the end, having bagged a car by then, or lost patience!

Of course, any less than popular car is also always going to be a good bet, such as the luxury end, gas-guzzling beasts, especially many 4WDs these days.

As the author of this article says, watch out for the buyers premium though! I once bid on a car, got it for £100, and had to pay an extra £60 fees, whioh is a staggering 60% on top! Compare this with paying around £250 on a hammer price of £4000, which is only 6% extra!

Also, read the stickers on the cars carefully, and listen to the auctioneer carefully too. Once I bought, only to find there wasn't a radio front removable panel, so had to fork out for a whole new radio. Then again, I bought a Honda Civic which had no mention of any MOT, only to find a full MOT certificate in the service book! Some you win, some you lose!

The best advice I can give is that you do your homework, and have a good idea of what you want, because you can easily get tempted by the fever generated. Know your prices too, and don't overbid - remember that the whole point of buying here is that you save money! You may need to, if you find any hidden faults on the car. Unless you are knowledgeable and confident, buy a car with plenty of MOT left on it too. And be ready to walk away if bidding exceeds your limit. Remember too that hardly any car bought in this way will have any road-tax on it, and so budget for this too. Still interested???

uk35 said

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I have found most of the info in previous replies to be true. I am (very) part time car trader and have heard that prices have risen to the short supply of 'trade-in' cars. My only addition it to visit the auction at least 3 consecutive times before your first buy, if you are a novice. This is because some cars are ploughed back in if they have a problem. After a couple of visits you will notice them. Also keep a sharp eye on the auctioneer as I lost a bid to a dealer by glancing away. The gavel fell in a split second, without any requests for bids or a pause to look for other bidders. The auctioneer named the bidder by his initial, and this was at Manheim.

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If you want to buy a car worth more than a couple of thousand pounds you are better protected at auction from buying a stolen car or writeoff as there is an indemnity. With auctions you are almost acting as a trader, i.e. you have to make the decision, if you get it wrong you have to live with it, no one to complain to. However if there is a fault, it's likely you have paid enough to pay for it to be fixed. It's also possible although unlikely there is a major fault that you won't have any come back on. You have to know what you are doing.

Auctions are not for many people because either they don't know enough about cars or the trade and many people always want someone to sort out their issues many of which are minor.

Add to this many cars that go to auction are bad spec. Wrong colours, prestige cars with manual boxes and no leather. Buy it cheap yes, but noone will want to buy it further down the line unless it's also cheaper than the rest.

Many employees order cars sight unseen, and instead of having a 3 series with all the goodies, order a 5 series wih a poverty spec. Any salesman will tell you you must have auto and leather for re-sale but the employee doesn't own the car and he doesn't care about residuals.

Best auction buys are ex-fleet cars, non prestige ones at 3 years old sold with a hours warranty(to check it out). Ex motability cars are a good bet as well.

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Oh and if you are a novice go to the big auctions only like BCA at Blackbushe. Do not i repeat go to the little auctions like they have in many areas of london where the cars are all old. These are mainly inhabited by traders at the bottom end of the scale buying cars for a few hundred pounds to sell in the paper or ebay. This is how they make a living and most of the cars are one wheel away from the scrapyard.

Bill19501 said

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In support of those who recommend auctions, I've been buying at auction since the 70's and only got one real problem, a poorly repaired accident meant water came in through the floor pan when it rained. (Sorry, Staintunerider, it was an ex-fleet car!)

I go round the cars before the auction, select two or three I might like and fill in a form(my own design). At the top is the guide price followed by a checklist things to look at, such as Glass, Tyres, Exhaust, Bodywork, Finish, Mileage, etc. Each item that looks below average or acceptability has an estimated cost entered and a total box at the bottom, obviously equal to the guide price less the potential costs of correction.

I bid up to this price and no more. Most of the time, I've picked up the first car to pass through, but if the price goes too high, just wait for the next. On occasion, I've been to the office and made an offer on a car that didn't meet it's reserve and the auction have always been willing to ring up and see if will be accepted.

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If you're buying a car that is within the original manufacturers warranty limits (and has the necessary service record - remembering 'Block Exemption' rules) then it offers some protection from paying for the repair of major defects.

Unfortunately, the auction floors are littered with people trying to get a bargain who really don't know what they are doing and hence they don't get one. If the price isn't 'right' then don't bid, there will be other suitable cars come through.

Know what you are after, what it is worth, and stick to your rules. You won't go far wrong, especially if you can do a thorough mechanical check of the car beforehand.

Big Jon said

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ITexpert77 God I laugh at people who walk away because they dont get a discount. If that is your main criteria for buying "no discount, walk away" then I wouldnt sell a car to you regardless of profit.

If you go to tesco do you ask that they discount you £77 worth of shopping to £70 for cash? NO. So why should us car dealers give cars away when profits are tight, good quality stock scarce and auction prices high.

I have seen so many idiots in my time, I recently sold a Peugeot 407 that I was retailing at £700 below glass' retail. I had calls and people in by the dozen asking for £1000 off and the like. In the end I sold it to a guy from manchester, over 200 miles away(!) who paid full money + purchased a lifetime warranty plan, paint protection and GAP.

Back to the article. Parkers Guide is a joke and not worth the paper it is printed on. Their values are an absolute joke. Today I picked a sample car out, searched on the web and the average independent dealer price was £3800. Parkers said the independent dealer price should be £2750. Idiots.

There is a reason that book is £3.99 an issue compared to glass' at £400 a year. The reason is because it is a joke.

Also, people buying from auction need to be realistic. I get approached 5 or so times a week at auction by private buyers when I am booking a car. They will look at say an 04 Passat TDI and say "would you mind telling us what thats worth in your book" I will then reply "what do you reckon?" and then I get a reply of "£1500". Cringeworthy. Many punters genuinely think that my £7995 audi a6 for example was £3000 from an auction. Absolute dreamers.

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