Minimum wage: could you live on £6.19 an hour?

Cliff D'Arcy
by Lovemoney Staff Cliff D'Arcy on 09 October 2012  |  Comments 42 comments

The minimum wage for over-21s has risen by 11p an hour. How far could you make it go?

Minimum wage: could you live on £6.19 an hour?

Good news for low-paid workers: the main rate of the national minimum wage has increased to £6.19 an hour.

This was an uplift of 11p an hour over the main rate of £6.08 which applied for the previous 12 months. In effect, low-paid workers got a 1.8% pay hike from the Government (ignoring any rises given to them by their employers).

Most employees in the UK are entitled to the minimum wage, regardless of how and when they are paid, the number of hours they work, their type and location of work, and the size of their employers. Any contract which offers an hourly rate lower than the minimum wage is not legally valid and could lead to an employer being prosecuted.

Not everyone gains

Now for the bad news: the main rate applies only to workers aged 21 and over, so teenagers and young adults on low wages won't benefit from this pay rise. For the record, here are the current and previous rates of the minimum wage for different age groups:

Age

group

New

hourly

rate

Old

hourly

rate

Increase

21+

£6.19

£6.08

1.8%

18-20

£4.98

£4.98

None

16-17

£3.68

£3.68

None

Apprentices

£2.65

£2.60

1.9%

As you can see, workers aged 16 to 20 have seen their rates frozen for the coming year. However, apprentices gained another 5p an hour, an increase of 1.9%. The minimum wage doesn't apply to workers aged below 16, so it's entirely up to their employers how much to pay child workers.

Higher pay for millions

Following the enactment of the National Minimum Wage Act in 1998, the minimum wage came into force on 1 April 1999. Here's how the main rate (for over-21s) has climbed steadily since then:

From

Hourly

rate

Yearly

Increase

01/10/12

£6.19

1.8%

01/10/11

£6.08

2.5%

01/10/10

£5.93

2.2%

01/10/09

£5.80

1.2%

01/10/08

£5.73

3.8%

01/10/07

£5.52

3.2%

01/10/06

£5.35

5.9%

01/10/05

£5.05

4.1%

01/10/04

£4.85

7.8%

01/10/03

£4.50

7.1%

01/10/02

£4.20

2.4%

01/10/01

£4.10

10.8%

01/10/00

£3.70

2.8%

01/04/99

£3.60

N/A

Source: The Low Pay Commission

Having been introduced at £3.60 in April 1999, the main rate has risen every year since. The lowest increase was just 7p an hour (1.2%) in October 2009, in the aftermath of the global financial crisis. The highest increase was 40p an hour (10.8%) in October 2001. Since 2009, increases have been fairly modest, ranging from 1.2% in 2009 to 2.5% last year. 

How much does it add up to?

Using the main rate of £6.19 an hour, the minimum wage for a 40-hour week comes to £247.60 a week. Over 52 weeks, this works out at a yearly salary of £12,875.20 (£1,072.93 a month).

While this may not seem like a lot, it comes to even less after income tax and National Insurance contributions (NICs) are subtracted. These deductions total £1,588.02, giving take-home pay of £11,287.18.

So working 40 hours a week on the main rate of the minimum wage would give you £940.60 a month to live on. It doesn't sound like a whole lot.

A wage for living, not thriving

According to the Office for National Statistics (ONS), median gross (before-tax) earnings for full-time workers in April 2011 were £501 a week. 'Median' means the midpoint, so half of workers earn more than this figure, while half earn less.

This median average wage works out at a yearly salary of £26,052, or £2,171 a month. After deducting income tax and NICs totalling £5,804.60, this produces tax-home pay of £20,247.40 a year, or £1,687.28 a month.

So the average full-time worker in the UK earns £746.68 a month more than someone working 40 hours a week on the main rate of the minimum wage. In effect, the disposable income of an employee on the minimum wage is just over half (56%) that earned by the average full-time worker.

Could you live on £940 a month?

It seems to me that it would be an incredibly difficult budgeting challenge for even a single adult to get by on a mere £940 a month.

While young workers living at home could probably get by -- and even save substantial sums -- on this take-home pay, tenants would surely struggle to make ends meet after paying rent. Also, without a huge windfall to use as a deposit, buying a home while working for the minimum wage would be completely out of the question.

What's more, anyone with a non-working partner and/or children must really struggle to balance their household books trying to house, clothe and feed, say, two adults and two children. Frankly, this would test even the most dedicated penny-pinchers.

What are your experiences of earning, and living on, the minimum wage? Please tell us in the comments box below...

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Comments (42)

  • qwertyu
    Love rating 9
    qwertyu said

    Yes. You can and I do now. I cut my cloth accordingly. Single people should not expect to live on their own. House share and it's easy. Live in your own house / flat and no chance.

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  • Arblaster
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    Arblaster said

    The minimum wage for over-21s has risen by 11p an hour.

    Well, whoopee doo!

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  • electricblue
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    electricblue said

    I can easily live on £940 a month. Cliff - if you find this 'an incredibly difficult budgeting challenge' you should not be writing about finance, if only because your life experience, like so many Lovemoney journalists is based on an extremely narrow experience based on a particular 'South of England' mentality.

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  • engleystewart
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    engleystewart said

    If this is the best that this Government can do for working people they can take their £6.19 and SHOVE IT WHERE THE SUN DON'T SHINE!!!!

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  • elcadobes
    Love rating 9
    elcadobes said

    Pensioners live on a lot less.

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  • engleystewart
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    engleystewart said

    Qwertyu, I live my own house bought and paid for. Why should I have to share it with anyone?

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  • darricottgirl
    Love rating 4
    darricottgirl said

    I manage on a lot less than that as I don't work full time. Also, whilst I appreciate it doesn't sound much of a rise, I know a lot of people who are having their pay frozen this year so perhaps we should be grateful for small mercies!

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  • qwertyu
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    qwertyu said

    engleystewart, what on earth are you talking about? Where exactly did I say you should have to share it? If a person can afford not to share then great but if they can not afford it then share because it saves a lot. In my personal experience this is a big factor in determining the answer to the articles question/title (could you live on £6.19 an hour?) How this causes you indignation is beyond me.

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  • Meduza78
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    Meduza78 said

    sharing is an option and can mean a good relief, if there is a room and will to share. if i had that option, i would do it. for now i am the one that pays for sharing and because of that, i also can meet the ends easily with even less money available than the minimum after tax salary. i managed to get a smartphone with the cheapest deal that time - i made an effort to find it. i do not go to pubs or i do not order take-aways, i cook at home, and i cook healthily. instead of buying ready made food at school, i tend to prepare sendwich at home, or have cooked meal in fridge so that i can have a proper food for a fraction of what i would pay for a ready food. i can afford some cheap clothes but i rather choose quality and style over quantity and chaos. i rather buy a quality boots that last me for years instead of buying cheap rubbish full of chemicals that need to be changed every season and again and again penetrating my skin with deadly toxins. the same with the coat - i bought one few years ago. i did not use it too often. and because i liked it, i paid £12 for narrowing the waistline so that i can wear it again and feel good in it. meanwhile i got one more coat for special purposes. i plan my grocery shopping a bit and trying to reduce waste, finding ways how to create a tasty and nutritious meal from left overs... i buy a yearly travel ticket which gives me 2 months of travel within london for free. i buy branded cosmetics such as shampoo, conditioner, shower gel etc when they are on promotion...

    with a bit of discipline and willingness things can go better with little money. but i understand that not everyone has it that simple and that their expenses are higher than mine due to the rent, energy bills (mine are in rent), mortgage, children, illness, etc...

    ps: i have a credit card and i make sure that i pay everything in full each month. i keep an eye on my finances and rather not buy something i desire if i do not need it when the money is getting tight sometimes.

    so, yes, discipline and open eyes. more people could do better if they were disciplined with their expenses. there is no shame to say: sorry, i cannot do that, i cannot buy that, i am short of money at the moment. some people cannot stand this and rather reach on their credit to show off that they are not losers... that is wrong. basic math is basic math. money do not come from nowhere unless you win or receive a gift.

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  • muira
    Love rating 30
    muira said

    is £940 a month low pay? or £11,280 pa

    the goverment starts taxing at 20% every pound after £7,775 pa or thereabouts

    which i assume they think is adequate for a single person to survive on

    or £648 per month,or thereabouts..so they can give up a fifth of income after that threshold,without coming to any financial harm

    is the figure quoted a london type low pay amount,and is it really £300 a month

    different,or thereabouts?..

    and if you are on a low income,don't you get help with certain benefits etc

    i have obviously been getting things very wrong,working for the last 45years

    thinking i had a skilled,fairly well paid job,house and offspings,car etc

    no wonder anyone with any sense would want to work,or thereabouts!!!

    i am off for a full mental checkup!!!!

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  • ronat42
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    ronat42 said

    I think the most ridiculous part of all this is that the government still takes nearly £1600 a year from such a low income when many scroungers are getting much more and extra benefits without any checks.

    Unfortunately this level of wage is a side effect of the even more ridiculous low wages paid to all of the sweat shop industries overseas that provide the cheap products that continue to distort our cost of living and that we do not properly value our basic benefits of plentiful and affordable food (for most and those on benefit fiddles) that we enjoy. The latter being heavily subsidised by workers on long hours and poor conditions with little job security.

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  • CuNNaXXa
    Love rating 362
    CuNNaXXa said

    Can you live on £940 a month? Yes, you can.

    Can you enjoy life on £940 a month? No, you can't.

    Life should be more than sleeping, working, then staying in because you have no expendable money. Again, this is promoting the poverty class.

    The poverty class is basically a group of people who earn just enough to eat, sleep and pay their bills, with little or nothing left to spend on the little luxuries in life, such as holidays or the odd trips to the pub.

    It saddens me that our government are encouraging a society that will have a class of people who are nothing more than slave labour, never being able to enjoy life.

    We hear of people who turn to crime because they had a bad start in life, but I can see many who are working for peanuts turning to crime because they have no opportunity to sample even the basic luxuries.

    Oh, and as for improving job prospects, too many jobs that once paid a half decent wage now pays minimum wage, because of an influx of immigrants. LGV drivers used to get a quality wage for the hassle of driving all over the country, or on the continent, but now you see jobs advertised for class II drivers barely breaching minimum wage.

    I am sure that Blair and Brown knew what they were doing by flooding the labour market with cheap labour. The more people after a job, the lower the wage or salary. Economics.

    Also, if it is MINIMUM WAGE, then why is it taxed? Surely if it is supposed to be the minimum, then THEY shouldn't be deducting anything from it. Taxation should apply to earnings in excess of minimum wage.

    I'm not in the poverty class, but I know people who are. They work hard for their wages, and are treated like dirt, yet they have little choice but to carry on, hoping that there is a ray of light at the end of the tunnel.

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  • Mike10613
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    Mike10613 said

    It isn't enough for most people who are working. In some areas like London housing costs are exorbitant. Many people have to travel to work and government effectively controls travelling costs. Bus and rail fares are too high. We have council tax that doesn't reflect ability to pay enough and no one who is working should need council tax benefit (or any other benefits). The minimum wage is often subsidised with tax credit for many people, effectively subsidising employers. We need many taxes made according to people's ability to pay. Scrap car tax and put it on petrol, scrap the TV licence and put a council tax on mansions according to their ability to pay. Let the rich of Kensington pay a high a percentage of their incomes in council tax as the poor sods do in Tower Hamlets. Now there is something that Boris the Buffoon could campaign for...

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  • ibelieveanything
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    ibelieveanything said

    lets be honesthe only winners are unscupulous employers.east european workers will work for that but as a british home owner i ncant afford to..there is not a level playiong field and for all the shouting from the rich tories life is not going to get better for the BRITISH working class.bring on the next election when the youth combined with the pensioners will send the tories spiralling out of british politics.......

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  • pauljackson26
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    pauljackson26 said

    I live on a much smaller wage.i can go out for drinks/sporting events,no car so i have a monthly bus pass.less wage makes you think more before spending,but that aint always a bad thing.

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  • T5P8
    Love rating 33
    T5P8 said

    Politicians spout on about how to do it, I ain't seen any of them do it though. On and on they spout - all day and night. On expenses and fiddles and massive pensions for doing nought.

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  • thefieldster
    Love rating 7
    thefieldster said

    I live on minimum wage and agree wholeheartedly with Ronat42- the governemnt expects those of us who work on minimum wage to supplement those on benefits who actually have more disposable income as they get free eye tests, glasses, dentistry, council tax etc etc etc. It is ludicrous to expect someone who works thirty seven hours a week to live on slightly less money than someone fully capable of doing the same job but who opts not to to claim benefits.

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  • electricblue
    Love rating 643
    electricblue said

    British ex.pats and second home owners have completely screwed the property markets in rural France, Spain and many places in Eastern Europe so the whole freedom of movement in the EC has not been a one way street of bad things happening to the UK. I'm getting fed up of those quoting notional amounts of money related to their essential standard of living. If you want to be a monkey working in a factory then that's your choice for a lifestyle, as is the problem of some idiot who gets a degree in Art history and then wonders why the nation doesn't owe them a job. I'm about a work/life balance and if you don't spend on 'stuff' you don't need then you don't have to earn a huge amount of money. I just can't believe the idiots on here who think that Labour were anything more than a bunch of self-serving crooked hypocrites. Some of the Tories are totally out of touch with normality, but anyone who thinks that the likes of say, John and Pauline Prescott are any more in touch with the working classes than the Camerons really should be on medication. Just look at the antics of Arthur Scargill, that fantastic figurehead for the numpty classes and see what true 'socialists' become when they are used to the trappings of power. Most MP's are honest and hardworking in the same way as most of those on benefits claim them honestly, but before slagging off 'all' MP's have a look down your street and think what your neighbours do (or don't) for a living.

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  • edwardmk2879
    Love rating 57
    edwardmk2879 said

    Capitalism is only a good system if it is an honest one. The current capitalist system has been severely damaged by money printing which transfers wealth to the Banksters by something called the Cantillon effect. Money printing is theft. If you bought one share in a company which was listed with 100 shares, you would own 1% of the stock and the benefits that accrue. You would be very upset if the company then diluted your stock by selling 100 more shares. You would have paid for 1%, but now own only 0.5%. Each time the government issues more money, they dilute the existing stock of money, and rob those who have earned or saved it. Worse still, it creates inflation by devaluing the currency and making imports in particular more expensive.

    What has this got to do with minimum wage? Well I recollect Gordon Brown boasting he had raised the minimum wage by more than the Tories. It was a derisory amount, like it always is, but what is truly sickening is the hypocrisy of those who trumpet the raise knowing full well that inflation is higher than the increase, and the purchasing power of the minimum wage is going down, albeit slightly more slowly.

    I'd like to see a policy of sound money. We are over a trillion pounds in debt, and owe 500% of our GNP, making us much worse than Greece.

    Reduce government spending, balance the books, return to sound money, let bust institutions fail ( especially Banks ) and free the private sector before our bloated government spending destroys the pound. If the pound crashes, our collective future will be even more minimum wage jobs, if you're lucky enough to get one.

    I agree with much of what is said above. No-one on minimum wage should have to pay tax at all for up to 40 hours work.

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  • engleystewart
    Love rating 4
    engleystewart said

    Qwertyu, I do apologise i misread your post no offence meant had a terrible day. Sorry.

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  • nessie
    Love rating 5
    nessie said

    FYI the basic single person pension for an over 65 year old is £107.45, which on the basis of a 35 hour week would be just £3.07 per hour. O.K there are various increases available if the single pension is all you've got, but many pensioners having worked all their lives and provided what they could for themselves out of what was left after bringing up their families now fall into the poverty trap, and don't get any extra help from the government. Most pensioners would be over the moon at being paid £6 odd an hour for their contributions over a working life to the economy. We HAVE to manage, never mind what would be fair or desirable! Consider yourself very fortunate if somebody is prepared to pay you the minimum wage.

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  • LandOfConfusion
    Love rating 64
    LandOfConfusion said

    Re: Pensions vs. Minimum wage

    I'll keep this short: As a pensioner your total cost of living will or should be far lower than that of an average, working age adult. So that you're able to get by on less is quite unsurprising.

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  • biophile
    Love rating 4
    biophile said

    I agree with 'T5P8'. The best grafitti I saw: "Put all politicians on the minimum wage and see how quickly things change".

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  • CuNNaXXa
    Love rating 362
    CuNNaXXa said

    If you put an MP on minimum wage, they would brag how they were able to cope, while keeping mum about the additional thousands they are claiming as expenses.

    I know two business people who earn just £8,105 each, even though they own the business. I am sure they don't tell us of all the cash that slips through their fingers, and the tax man obviously doesn't know about this 'cash-in-hand'.

    It is not about what you 'earn', but what you can hide from the tax man, and what yo can claim for as an expense.

    So, could an MP survive on £12,875.20 a year (plus an additional £27,832 in expenses)? Probably...

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  • JOHN MAXWELL
    Love rating 56
    JOHN MAXWELL said

    why are benefits to be capped at average wage rather than minimum wage?

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  • deanrobinson78
    Love rating 13
    deanrobinson78 said

    Some interesting comments above.....

    I personally didn't realise this was what minumum wage equated to, and even just checked if such a person woudl get extra benefits.....seems not!

    Could you live on it - yes. Could I? If life put me in that situation then yes, I would have to.

    Why is the apprentice minimum wage so low - why even have one? I figure because the government is paying for their training too? I think that is more of a scandal - People who want to learn trades should be rewarded for their "get up and go".

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  • stewarth99
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    stewarth99 said

    Seems to me that everyone has forgotten about the other big change this month.

    From now on we'll have to pay for our own pension from this minimum wage.

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  • bengilda
    Love rating 77
    bengilda said

    In effect, low-paid workers got a 1.8% pay hike from the Government (ignoring any rises given to them by their employers). Wrong Cliff, the Government is not giving anything. It will come from employers who in turn will get it from customers who in turn will want pay increases to meet this cost of living rise.

    It is a vicious circle.

    And Yes, I could and have lived and brought up a family with a wage often no higher than the minimum wage equivalent.

    No car, cycled everywhere, groceries in a back pack. No mobile phone, no any phone, had to use the coin box down the road, no Sky TV, no smoking, no alcohol except at Christmas. Food was all the cheap options, a reduced price chicken a monthly luxury, clothes in sales or home made.

    A bit of casual work from time to time helped find funds for the kids birthdays and for Christmas.

    Sometimes it was a struggle to pay the TV licence but we managed.

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  • chuckysan
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    chuckysan said

    My wife and I were both made redundant within 6 months of each other. We are 57 and 59 years of age respectively. We are now on JSA of...wait for it......£55-50p each a week. Thats £444 a month, and we have to try to make ends meet. We are chastised and villified by the this non elected Government and all who believe the false propaganda it produces. We have a mortgage and utility bills to pay same as everyone else and after paying our dues into the system for over 80 years between us I think the welfare state should help us during this awful time. The elected MP's however are to vote on awarding themselves a 45% payrise from £65 000 a year to £95 000. How did they ever manage on £65 000 + expenses for everything every household in the country has to pay for out of their own pockets. ''In this together'......'One Nation' ...... Get your heads out of the trough MP's and experience real life.

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  • paultaylor77
    Love rating 1
    paultaylor77 said

    £247.60 is a lot more than double the basic state pension and I have worked all my life.

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  • Jane Wright
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    Jane Wright said

    Fortunately for me, I am still working past retirement age. Why? Could you live on £146 per week? That is my pension money. I could probably claim something if I didn't work but I don't want to have to go down that route. I've worked all my life - 45 years+.

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  • lordra
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    lordra said

    I have been working for two years, part time, as a lifeguard at minimum wage. I was just supporting myself while I was at uni for a year and now finding a full time job that pays a real salary has seemed to be the most evasive task in the world. I earn between £430-£480 (take home) every month. After rent, council tax, mobile phone, & internet/land line, (works out to £391), I'm left with less than £100 to spend on food and travel. Forget clothes or night outs. I'm not eligible for benefits as I work. I live pay check to pay check.

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  • lordra
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    lordra said

    As CuNNaXXa says: The poverty class is basically a group of people who earn just enough to eat, sleep and pay their bills, with little or nothing left to spend on the little luxuries in life, such as holidays or the odd trips to the pub.

    That's happening to me!!!

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  • killick_becki
    Love rating 58
    killick_becki said

    So there are several people above who have commented that those on minimum wage shouldn't have to pay income tax. This is precisely a Liberal Democrat policy!

    Sadly, due to conservative influence they will only just get to £10k tax free by the end of the parliament, not quite minimum wage but closer than it has been for a very long time.

    Labour are supposed to be for the working class but haven't managed to raise the tax threshold for them and even cut the 10% band!

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  • Tankgirl56
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    Tankgirl56 said

    Because of a pay rise from my new boss, (I was on minimum), I am now on £6.60 an hour taking me to 41p an hour above the minimum wage. On 37 hours a week paying 20% tax that makes my hourly rate £5.28, way lower than the minimum rate of £6.19 !!!

    Making the monthly amount to live on £846.56........

    I have not worked out the national insurance contributions on that amount so it's actually even less.

    I totally agree with the comment made about the benefits cap being based on the minimum wage and not the average wage.

    CONTRA an accounting term means Cooking Of Numbers To Rectify Accounts which is exactly what this government does.

    I don't understand why the income tax system cannot be updated. Instead of the present block system, what's to stop the government implementing a fairer system that is graduated instead of being in blocks of 20% 40% and 50% as it is now.

    It needs a complete overhaul to make sure when people get a pay rise taking them into a higher tax bracket they don't end up on less money. For instance anyone on minimum wage pays no tax and the tax rate graduating from 1% every 1k till at 35k you are on 20% and so on into the higher tax rates. Just an idea.

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  • coloratura
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    coloratura said

    If you take the proposed state pension rate of £140 a week for a pensioner to live on and divide it by a 40 hour week (just to make the maths easy) then they are getting £3-50 per hour and that after a working life of anything up to 50 years and should they by any chance have some savings then they will get next to nothing in interest from the bank. The winter fuel allowance has already been dropped, the "Grannie Tax" imposed and as sure as God made little green apples - after the General Election of course - the winter fuel allowance and any extra benefits claimed by pensioners (housing allowances etc) will be means tested and done away with completely unless the person concerned is virtually penniless. And where will that money go? Why to the Government - well it will help them with their next pay rise (and a small percentage of say £100,000 is a lot). Well, they must need it as I read in the Daily Telegraph today that they have been hiding their expenses again !!!! Time we did away with M.P's - try not voting or for goodness sake let us at least vote for anyone but the major three parties.

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  • hopefultom
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    hopefultom said

    Tankgirl56

    Unless there is something you are not telling us, you seem to be guilty of CONTRA, yourself.

    In concluding that a pay rate of £6.60 per hour gross, equates to an actual pay rate of £5.28 you seem to have overlooked the fact that you will receive a personal tax allowance ( unless you are on emergency code ) and this needs to be factored in to your calculations.

    Having said that, I do have some sympathy with your situation, and that of other contributors, as I do not believe that income tax should start to be applied on such a relatively low level of income

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  • electricblue
    Love rating 643
    electricblue said

    MP's earn £65,738 a year. I'd rather pay that to most of them than have some of those making idiotic comments on here have any sort of power and working for nothing. The jealousy and resentment for anyone earning more than you do is just a mark of naivety and bigotry. In comparison to company executives and bankers our MP's arent paid a whole lot for the responsibility and public scrutiny of their lives which most have to put up with. Many MP's lose more from not pursuing business careers than they ever earn in office and if it's just about power I can't see how they would put up with the constant whining and moaning about eveything they do.

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  • marram
    Love rating 46
    marram said

    Pensioners live on less than that. I get £150 per week which if averaged out over, say a 35-hour week, works out at £4.28. The last time I checked I was an adult and I'm living on £600 a month. And because I am just above the Pension Credit rate I don't get anything free either. I know there will be an outcry that I'm not working for this but it is simply a comparison. I did work all my life for that. Plus, up to a couple of years ago before my allowance went up (and I was getting less pension) I even had to pay tax on it. It meant I was living for 52 weeks on 50 weeks' income. I agree the minimum wage IS low, but please get it in perspective.

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  • marram
    Love rating 46
    marram said

    @ Landof Confusion - please could you explain why a pensioner's cost of living 'Can and should' be far lower than that of an average working age adult? Aren't we adults? Don't we eat? Don't we have to keep warm in winter? Are we not supposed to replace our clothes when they wear out? Are we not allowed in pubs 'cos we are not adults?

    What exactly do you mean by SHOULD be far lower? Do you mean we should get concessions for everything? In that case, I entirely agree with you. I don't know how old you are or whether it was your intention to suggest we should all be tucked up in our cuddly blankets all day but I have news for you - life does not end at 60 or 65 or whatever: some of us still like to live, learn, travel, and do adult things like seeing films, going out for meals. But some of us have to live without these things although not out of choice. And some of us have to help out our (adult) children financially, too! You may not have meant to be condescending but you certainly jolly well sounded it.

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  • Reimer
    Love rating 1
    Reimer said

    It ain't just the low low pay in minimum wage world, it's the lousy conditions too: being thoroughly expendable to the gangmasters and treated akin to something on their shoes. You can be sent packing at any point,which can interfere with paying that final demand. A bit.

    Electricblue - you be kind enough to pay for our political class yourself if you admire them so much.

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  • celticlass
    Love rating 9
    celticlass said

    the last generation fought for and died for sweet nothing -----this country is finished!!! There is no respect for them. Nothing but scamster banks and Tory governments who think everyone one on benefits are scroungers!!! Most people pay into a system for those and themselves who are on hard times. The minimum wage is a joke! How can anyone provide for themselves on that? We may be broke but for a *rich*western civilised country we are becoming a poor 3rd World country by the day!!!!

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