Work at home and save money

Emma Lunn
by Lovemoney Staff Emma Lunn on 13 July 2012  |  Comments 39 comments

Boris Johnson described homeworking as a "skiver's paradise". Not only is he wrong, he also ignores one big benefit - the chance to save some money!

Work at home and save money

The Mayor of London obviously didn’t get the Government memo promoting homeworking as a way to reduce transport chaos during the Olympics. Instead he went fabulously off-message by describing homeworkers as “bludgers”, an Australian slang word for layabouts which suggests Boris, too, might spend his afternoons watching Australian soaps.

But knocking off in time for Neighbours is just one of the advantages of working from home.

I’ve worked from home as a freelance journalist for eight years, but in a previous life I also worked at home for a well-known blue-chip company. In both scenarios working at home has saved me a fortune.

Travel

The most obvious money-saver is travel. Instead of spending a couple of hours a day squashed on a packed train I simply stagger out of bed and wander into my spare bedroom which doubles up as an office.

Living in South London, if I had a “proper job” instead of this freelancing lark, chances are I’d have to travel into Central London every day. If I bought a monthly travelcard this would set me back £160.60 a month or £1,672 if I bought an annual travelcard.

Cost aside, I’d have to brave the weather, suffer the daily trauma of London Transport and be constantly late home due to leaves on the line or the wrong kind of snow.

So, as well as saving me £1,672 a year, homeworking gives me back the two hours a day I’d spend commuting if I worked in the City.

Clothes

Another expense homeworkers are generally spared is clothes. Obviously I still need clothing of some sort but not a wardrobe full of sharp suits for all seasons.

Contrary to popular belief I don’t spend all day slobbing around in my pyjamas, but my work wardrobe generally consists of jeans and t-shirts. There’s no need to constantly update these either or worry about the social ramifications of wearing the same outfit two days running.

Food and drink

One of the best things about homeworking is not having to fork out for lunch from a shop or café every day. Obviously office workers can take in their own sandwiches, but how long does that particular resolution ever last?

Buying your lunch everyday can really add up: £6 a day in Pret equates to £30 a week, or £1,440 over 48 weeks a year. Add on a £3 morning coffee on your way in and that’s another £15 a week or £720 a year.

Doing a decent supermarket shop each week and stocking up on sandwich fillings, soup, salad etc to have at home is much cheaper, and probably healthier too.

Pitfalls

Home working sounds great doesn’t it? However there are a few downsides to consider, both financial and personal. As a freelancer I obviously have to pay my own broadband, phone and mobile bills although these are, of course, tax deductable.

And if my PC malfunctions I’m in big trouble – there’s no IT department to call so I’m at the mercy of The Geek Squad and similar services.

But if you work at home for your employer, it will probably provide you with a laptop and contribute towards your phone and broadband costs.

Another downside is that homeworking can be pretty lonely. There are no colleagues to bounce ideas off and any personal crisis is multiplied tenfold by the solitude.

On the upside, homeworking can be more productive. Obviously the TV, garden or pile of ironing can all be distracting but none of them are as off-putting as gossiping colleague discussing last night’s TV.

Homeworkers are often picked on by their friends too who assume because you work at home, you don’t actually work at all.

When I tell people I work at home the reactions are varied: some are jealous, some assume I’m secretly unemployed (or unemployable). Others ask if I’m free for tennis on Thursday morning. One reaction I never get is “Gosh, that must be really cost-effective” – but it really is.

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Comments (39)

  • KojakWeb
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    KojakWeb said

    I think BoJo is right though. There are people at work who do abuse work from home days, and it's giving those who are diligent work from home people a bad name. I know there are some people where I work I do trust to work from home, and others I don't. The ratio of those who are diligent and "bludgers" will vary from industry to industry.

    But the major point that is often ignored, is why do business favour wfh? If an office based business insists on their staff work 1 day a week from home, and they spread this across the week, they are reducing their desk costs by potentially 20%. So they don't do it to do you a favour, they are doing it to reduce their operating costs!

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  • quintonlad
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    quintonlad said

    I agree with virtually every word, but in my main two work-from-home jobs the location was important. For a while I lived in Bahrain and found myself as an entertainment agent. One of the perks was the time difference - and the weather. By the time the UK was opening up I would phone people and tell them I'd just spent time on the beach with the dog. The second one developed after years as a gigging musician. I began business as an entertainment agent in Clifton, Bristol. Here the benefit was the time when I opened the office, it was just as BBC-TV began filming "Casualty" there. Business grew because i was there when the phone rang, Saturdays, Sundays, early morning, late into the evening. I put a lot of hours in - a lot of hours - but it brought benefits too.

    So it was location, location, location, and being prepared to put yourself out, never mind the 'leisure' time. I'd recommend it to anyone - if they can stand the pace!

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  • mikecunliffe
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    mikecunliffe said

    I've worked at home for over 28 years. I'm a self-employed software developer. I agree with most of the points you make in your argument. Loneliness and isolation are very real problems - solved in the main with a supportive wife and kids.

    You need to be quite self-motivated and to set yourself a routine. This becomes easier as the years pass. However, for a person working each day in an office, the transition to home working for a short (Olympic) period would not, in my opinion engender that motivation and rigidity. It really takes an effort some days to put finger to keyboard, pen to paper or similar. But without the work - I get no pay.

    A "temporarily home-based" office worker will still be paid the normal salary during the period and with the temptation to watch a little of the Olympics on t.v. I suspect productivity will be lower.

    Boris phrased his rant rather badly but his general meaning is, I believe, correct.

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  • JOHN MAXWELL
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    JOHN MAXWELL said

    i am surprised at the comments from Boris Johnson which are narrow minded and ill judged.i am now retired but when at work there was much i could have done from home and probably more efficiently as there would be no interruptions from colleagues. there needs to be an understanding of the difference between hours spent at work and productivity achieved. shallow comments about watching daytime TV are nonsense as if you are working at home it does not matter whether you work 9am - 5pm or 4pm -12 midnight, or more likely a shorter work period. it does appear that technology has developed at a faster pace than we have coped with, why do business men continue to travel the world when video conferencing is now readily available? this is not to say all travel can be avoided but imagine the result if these business trips could be reduced by 20% as an arbitrary number. the same can be applied to the cost of travel to work and office accommodation. if we are to embrace technology rather than just make use of it a new mindset needs to be adopted. this issue is not a matter of all or nothing but rather achieving a balance.

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  • stasro
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    stasro said

    Boris is a typical Tory toff whose only notion of management is to see the plebs with their "bums on seats". Whilst such dinosaurs are running things we are highly unlikely to be able to use technology effectively to reduce the demand for commuter travel.

    Whilst I do agree that working from home calls for self discipline if it is to be effective, the biggest issue that I have found is the need to be readily available to support the individuals working for me - that is, at the moment - difficult to do remotely.

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  • mdegrooth
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    mdegrooth said

    Well I am not surprised that these comments have come from the mouth of Boris Johnson. If he has never worked from home, what makes him have the right to make a statement like that - outrageous.

    I have worked from home since 1997 - it was the best decision I ever made. However, it is not for everyone as you spend a lot of time on your own and therefore need to be verymotivated and well organised. My current position is a General Manager of a professional association where we run a virtual office from my home. Everything is done electronically and we have a mail forwarding address, use the services of front office to take calls and a small off site storage space near to my home. This leaves me free to get on with all the important aspects of my job. From the company point of view the costs saving are enormous - no office space rent to pay, no postage costs, my hours often extend over normal office closure time which means a better service to our members and the ability to do my work from anywhere in the world.

    From my point of view, the benefits are perfect - no travel time at all, I can take on other work alongside, do not have to dress smartly every day, can really focus on my work with few interruptions, more meetings via video conferencing (I really also appreciate my face to face meetings), I am much more productive, have a beautiful view from my home with natural light and fresh air, my cats and of course the ability to post this comment.

    So yes, it is all about striking the correct balance and this does take a little time, but when you have that nailed, it is a real pleasure.

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  • krustallos
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    krustallos said

    I suspect Boris is judging others on the basis of how he himself would behave.

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  • lapulapu
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    lapulapu said

    oh dear

    coffee in pret

    working at home

    9 to 5

    I wish...............

    ok I shall work from home,just ask the patients to pop round and we shall begin.

    oh,they cant.

    ah well back to the clinic I guess.

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  • Burtonman
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    Burtonman said

    Surely the effectiveness of working from home depends on what you are doing. Most of the above comments seem to come from people with definite chips on their shoulders so my guess is that they have proved difficult work-mates in the past and have therefore been made redundant.

    To me the advantage of working from home, on a self-employed basis, is that I can take exercise every afternoon and work all evening. I suspect that Johnson is thinking about salaried people working from home and that is an entirely different matter.

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  • PaulK-T
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    PaulK-T said

    Boris is obviously having a "How many people can I annoy with my inept witterings month", after his comments about extending Stansted which even BAA say would be a waste of time he now tries to redicule people who choose to work from home! He doesn't live near Stansted (as I do) and he doesn't work from home so why does he feel he can comment?

    I spent many years commuting into central London for work, and in 2007 I was spending 15 hours a week on trains and tubes which cost over £3k a year and most of the time the service was late and crowded and it made family life hell.

    In 2008 I set my own company up and started to work from home as a construction consultant, so apart from when I visit clients and sites I'm at my desk at home. I usually start work at 6.30am and if I need to work until 11pm I can, but I can also take my daughter to school and pick her up again which very few other Dads get the chance to, I can also take the dogs for a walk in the countryside if I need a break which is much healthier than central London.

    So my personal and family quality-of-life has hugely increased, my productivity has increased, my costs have massively lowered and therefore my income has increased and my carbon footprint from commuting has decreased. Winner!

    Incidentally, the governments 'Code for Sustainable Homes' assessment process which is the national standard under which most new houses are constructed (I am an assessor btw) has specific credits for the provision of a 'Home Office' area, to allow people to work from home more to increase health and wellbeing and lower their carbon footprints from excess commuting. Boris really should take a couple of minutes to check government policy before blurting out his sweeping judgements!

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  • keengreen60
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    keengreen60 said

    Working from home is not at all easy. What does Boris actually know about it? It has its advantages and disadvantages and there are many different variables to consider.

    I worked from home for two decades preparing high level work for students, assessing their work in various ways and examining for three different organisations. I also did other 'people-related' work. All these components added up to a full-time job but usually without the travelling.

    All this can be an isolating experience and I had to have great self-discipline to get all the work done by certain deadlines. There was certainly no time for watching daytime TV, chatting to friends or going out shopping because the deadlines were so tight. Working online part of the time also meant that my output could be monitored at any time.

    While some things are tax-deductable, there are many 'hidden expenses' while working from home but the main problem was the pension. Although I did pay for a small personal pension, I could not afford very much and now, having retired, I fully appreciate that I have missed out on something very important.

    People thinking of working from home and/or doing work for several different organisations need to plan carefully what they do and how they will contribute to a personal pension.

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  • Meduza78
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    Meduza78 said

    one detail has been left out when calculating the pros and cons in the cost matter: energy bills. once you are home all the time and use the computer and probably other appliances, in the winter you have your heating up all day or so, the energy bills go up as well in comparison to when you left the flat/house in the morning and came back at the evening. my body is quite an energy saver so i need a nicely heated room to feel comfortable. i understand some people are like radiators and they are ok in their t-shirts when it is 10 degrees C outside, but not me.

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  • waning
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    waning said

    I don't usually bother to comment on what people like Boris Johnson say but this time I feel angry enough to respond. Seven years ago, at 59 years of age, I was 'encouraged' to resign my job. No golden handshake for me. I still had financial commitments, still do, so I had to earn a living. What do people like Boris Johnson know about that? I'm now at work 24 hours a day, getting further behind it seems with each day that I get older, and Johnson thinks (?) I'm a skiver? **** ***

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  • Mike10613
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    Mike10613 said

    There are also costs to the employer to consider. Even a small office in London can cost £7,000 a year and many are double that. People tend to be packed in like battery chickens these days, which isn't very healthy. I think poor Boris is worried that London will lose money on parking charges and the congestion charge if everyone starts working at home.

    To encourage home working, we need less new roads and fewer plans for high speed rail links. In general people should be encouraged to travel less, not more. We need better and faster broadband services to all areas. I talk to China using VOIP, but video still freezes because of slow speeds. The trend towards working at home could also be aided by better education at home. If more investment went into technology, that would be easier to implement. Many people would take up further or advanced education if it was available via the internet and television. We tend to think of HD television for watching the Olympics and Wimbledon, but it could be used for something useful I admit doing something useful in this country is a novel idea, especially to the likes of Boris Johnson; but it could be worth a go...

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  • waning
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    waning said

    So, Burtonman, anyone who disagrees with Boris Johnson has definite chips on both shoulders? No wonder he gets away with making stupid comments with people like you there to support him.

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  • Stickwithit
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    Stickwithit said

    Perhaps Boris has confused the issue with those bludgers who have always 'worked' from home whilst seeking the ultimate level of benefits provided by the State's taxpayers.

    But Mike10613 has it right, I would hate to add up the cost of my 44 years of commuting. It was that and the mortgage which kept me from saving any money before my retirement, something these politicians know nothing about.

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  • bnick
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    bnick said

    There are limits to what you can do at home, but it is a wastie to have call answering, for instance, using large offices when broadband and the right software could allow people at home to perform this service, be able to timeshare with others and offer 24/7 advice.

    I actually work from France, all my customers, who are in the UK, expect to get early morning and weekend service. Since I supply both advice and updates on company written software, I can pick up diagnostic files from them and send out bug fixes via the internet.

    When I go on holiday, the office, i.e. laptop and phine go with me. I need broadband but otherwise can work perfectly well anywhere. There is a downside, if you are in New Zealand you get woken up and have to remember whether to say Good Morning or Good Afternoon.

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  • 4markowen
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    4markowen said

    Another downside is the additional cost of heating the home instead of being in a cosy office*. (*used loosely as some offices are either Arctic or Saharan with their HVAC ;)

    As for the isolation, I think we're (slowly) getting to a point where, Facebook, Yammer, even Google + and it's hangouts can negate that sense of isolation and businesses are recognising that it's just an extension of the socialising that inevitably takes place at work.

    The article is also presented as an either/or. I work from home a day a week or so. I dont get the full savings, but it helps. But then I drive and dont have to invest in a travelcard that I then need to make the most out of.

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  • Mark Harmer
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    Mark Harmer said

    Agree with everything in this article. This man Boris is obviously some sort of dinosaur, and as an extravert of course he is going to be biased to working amongst people rather than at home on his own, because that's his personal style. Where he shows ignorance is in assuming that what is right for him is right for everyone else.

    Working from home can be incredibly productive, but you have to set limits otherwise you end up working all hours (self-employed people will know this only too well, of course!). But it can really suit some people. If you're the sort that likes to get on with stuff and is very happy working on your own, it suits you down to the ground. If you are working for a corporate / public sector organisation, be aware that the prevailing work ethic may favour extravert types like the Borises of this world (who enjoy talking / socialising / doing things in groups by talking a lot about them) and the organisation may not be geared up to, or understand, that some people find that distracting and tiring. The extravert view manifests itself as a reluctance or even mistrust of anyone working from home, despite all the evidence that working from home can be highly productive. In my last job I primarily worked from home and ran two corporate websites and a national training programme. Although I spent a lot of time out and about around the country, I couldn't have done this level of work in an office. Apart from anything else, I couldn't have put in the hours in an office that revolves around a 9-5 culture.

    I have found that I can keep in social contact to a perhaps greater extent than when I worked "in" an office, and my freelance friends / colleagues are now global rather than limited to a select few places on one particular physical site.

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  • Mark Harmer
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    Mark Harmer said

    Just to add - of course Boris Johnson is in London, so of course he probably thinks everyone else is, too. £160 a month is NOTHING to pay for travel, which in London is very cheap. Try commuting from anywhere else into London, like I did on odd days when I had to be on-site, and it was in excess of £50 a day - that was a few years ago.

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  • Mike10613
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    Mike10613 said

    @bnick I talk to China (7 hours ahead) and California (8 hours in front) quite often; you can get used to time differences. They do stay up late sometimes in China, buy fish at 3am and regularly go out for vegetables at 6am. I think as international communication grows and becomes accepted more people with benefit from this cultural exchange of information and ideas. I don't think Boris will be one of them. In China Friday the 13th is nearly over and my mate in Sydney, Australia will be waking up to Saturday morning soon... He's better than the Geek Squad, he fixed something by remote on my computer from Sydney. He works at home...

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  • bobmattfran
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    bobmattfran said

    Who in their right mind would take any notice of what Boris Johnson spouts? He is an ignorant, arrogant and ridiculous buffoon . I suppose in his ideal world he would want everyone working in a Victorian style sweat shop factory for a few pence. The man is an idiot and like the party of which he is a member completely out of touch with reality.

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  • oojackapivvy
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    oojackapivvy said

    Work from home can be incredibly valuable as a parent. When I first went back to work after having my son, for various reasons I had to return full time. I arranged to work 2 days per week in the office, and 3 from home. In practice, I made my office days very long ones, arriving at about 7.30am and leaving around 6.30pm, so those 2 days with a half hour lunch break accounted for 22 of my 35 per week. I was then able to take my son to playgroups during the morning, work while he napped in the afternoon, and if it was a bad day so that I was distracted more than usual, I could work in the evening when my husband returned home.

    I appreciate that this worked because I didn't have to abide by core office hours, which for some posts would be essential. As my work didn't require this on a daily basis, I was more productive - due to having a couple of hours in the office before everyone else arrived, and an hour or so after most people left, than I had been when in the office daily. It was irritating on the odd days where there were a lot of distractions (eg ill toddler effectively preventing more than 30 mins work in one go) which meant working in the evening instead, so that there was no sense of having had a break all day, and meant that my husband didn't get to put his feet up and relax on those evenings as he had to take over the house and kiddy work, but still it worked well and saving 3 hours per day of commuting was well worth it.

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  • Henry-GBG
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    Henry-GBG said

    This came up when I was working. The chief asked how could he check up on what people are doing. Simple, I replied. Have they done what they were asked to do?

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  • electricblue
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    electricblue said

    Boris Johnson is, plain and simple, an out of touch idiot who needs to play to an audience so would have no concept of self-employment and home working. Someone needs to tell the twit the percentage of the UK economy which is down to small businesses and the self-employed. Anyone who thinks that office working in a major city is anything other than a soulless and brain-numbing existence needs therapy. Why would home working need to be lonely - is someone locking you in the house? What a choice we have of politicians - vacuous Tories with no clue of the real world or corrupt Socialists keen to drain the gravy train of all they can. These are also the idiots who brought us the Olympics and now want to argue the percentage of those against when every informed source told them we didn't want them from the start.

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  • stephepg
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    stephepg said

    I'm sorry to say that I partially agree with Boris... Working from home for yourself (ie own business) is one thing, you will always have the incentive to get the most out of your day. However, as a homeworker for someone else it is so easy to be distracted or not as productive as you should be.. granted it saves you money (travel, clothes, food) and indirectly saves the company you work for money too, with not having to provide a office desk and all the costs associated with that. It obviously depends on the actual job that you do, but if you are part of a team, the lack of interaction with others can cause all sorts of problems, especially if they are office based and you are not! We are all different and I firmly believe that only some people are suitable or can fully cope with home working. As often happens (in my view) Boris says something that has an element of truth or even sense, but either is misunderstood, misquoted or he over eggs it!

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  • tuttogallo
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    tuttogallo said

    I tried working from home on a few occasions and found it totally impractical due to constant interruptions from my family who seemed to think that my presence at home meant that what I was doing could not possibly be more important than their demands.

    There are also other disadvantages. Progress these days is dependent on your ability to network, so that when vacancies arise, you are already well known. This is more difficult when working from home.

    In the firm I worked for there was a redundancy programme virtually every year. I believe that homeworkers are a natural target for this, since they are far less visible.

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  • onlinegenie
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    onlinegenie said

    I am a home worker and fairly paranoid about people thinking I'm not pulling my weight. These days, if I receive an email asking me to look at a problem I reply to the email instantly, even if only to say that I'll start looking at it. That proves to the person making the request that I am sitting at my computer, not downstairs watching television!

    I'm surprised that no one has mentioned the two biggest advantages to home working (to me, anyway).

    1. Thanks to the ill-thought out anti-smoking legislation, walking into my old place of work meant breathing in someone else's smoke. To a lifelong non-smoker this was extremely unpleasant.

    2. No more do I struggle to find a dry toilet seat because someone's parents didn't teach him to lift it. How I wish I were joking, but I'm not.

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  • bobmattfran
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    bobmattfran said

    onlinegenie You must work for a strange employer, but then you sound a little bit paranoid yourself.Your remarks about smoking outside you employers premises would suggest to me that you have a problem accepting other peoples right to their quite legal use of a substance. I don't suppose that it occurred to you to use another entrance. You seem to comment on other peoples behaviour without perhaps examining your own.

    I should imagine with a colleague like you most of the other staff have probably given a sigh of relief that you now work from home,

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  • bobmattfran
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    bobmattfran said

    Does anyone actually listen to what the buffoon Boris actually says? One only has to read his column in the Telegraph to understand that the fool is on another planet!

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  • OllMcDoll
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    OllMcDoll said

    There is one reason and one reason alone why employers "allow" their employees to work from home.

    An economist (I forget who, - I think it was an economist) said something a long time ago that has stuck in my brain ever since:

    "All businesses ONLY EXIST to extract your money from you. How they do it is the only thing that varies, it is their number one priority. Businesses exist to make money."

    (It's the reason why public/private healthcare can't work; one is a service, one is a business but I digress.)

    If you always bear this in mind through life you won't go far wrong.

    So why do businesses "Allow" their employees to work from home? Because they care about you? Because the "human resources" department cares about you? No.

    Increasing profit.

    That's all it is. - Any person who works from home feels privileged and consequently guilty about it so will work longer hours than required to make up for it. They might do it in the evening, unsociable hours, whenever it suits them but the underlying guilt about working from the comfort of their own home means that they will virtually ALWAYS work more hours than they are paid for.

    Nothing else would persuade an employer to "allow" its staff to work from home, it would simply not be in their interest if it wasn't the case. It's "Good business sense".

    I don't believe I'm a cynic (other readers may well differ ;o) ) I genuinely believe this to be true.

    On top of the extra free work a working from home employee does, there is also the added financial bonus of an extra desk and all that that entails in the office. The best way to increase your business's profit is to adjust your variables, anything that is variable should be varied/changed to increase profit, however small. It's why so many office kitchens provide a sack of Tetley teabags which they buy in bulk. they're cheaper than other brands (only by pence but it's a variable. - sadly they taste horrible too but no-one could complain because they'd worry about appearing snobby and it's "only a cup of tea anyway", they'd probably start just bringing in their own teabags if they were that bothered by it...) if there's one less person in the office that's less teabags, loo-roll, stationary etc etc to pay for. It's cost-effective.

    If it suits you to work from home that's great. I would probably do it if it was offered (and if I was employed rather than self employed/freelance.) but don't ever kid yourself that the company are really generous and doing you a great favour, they are simply doing it because it's profitable for them. - The fact that it's cost-effective for you is great for you but I honestly wouldn't shout it from the roof-tops because sooner or later that'll be seen as another variable for them and they'll cut your pay. (in a round-about way that you couldn't argue with of course: "We've started paying people slightly less wages but paying their travel as well as this seems a fairer system, many of our valued employees are actually better off this way but you don't have any travel expenses because you work from home so we're going to have to simply cut your pay to streamline everything, otherwise it wouldn't be fair on the other team-members. Of course when you do need to come into the office we will re-imburse you your travel just as long as you fill in this 12 page travel re-imbursement claimant form and hand it in to accounts by the end of the week, - no we can't pay your travel exenses just to come in and hand a form in! that would be silly! you should have completed it when you were in the office, my apologies if you hadn't understood that beforehand.")

    My apologies too! this is possibly the longest and most tedious comment ever. ;o)

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  • Dame
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    Dame said

    OllMcDoll: Economists say a lot of things, most of which have proved to be wrong. Ecomomists can't even agree amongst themselves most of the time, so I wouldn't pay too much attention and yes, I have a degree in economics so I have some knowledge of the subject.

    You are entitled to your view of course but it is a very one sided one dimensional view. Not all businesses are there to rip you off. Not all employers are stuck in the 19th century. I worked for 11 years from home. My journey to work was completed in 30 seconds and I planned my day accordingly. I took most afternoons off and worked into the evenings. My clients couldn't care less what hours I worked as long as I delivered what Iisaid I would do, when I said I would do it, to the quality required. I now have staff and I employ the same ethos. I don't care where they work, or what hours as long as the job gets done. Just because they are not there does not mean I have burnt their desk or phoned my local council for a rates reduction. Now this does not suit all employees or industries but please do not tar all employers and businesses with the same brush with a lame stereotypical analysis of the evils of business and employers, it is insulting. No business no schools and no NHS.

    As someone who runs a business and employs staff, I can tell you it is the toughest thing I have ever done. Frankly until you are on the other side and are responsible for paying the bills and everyones salaries at the end of the month you have no idea.

    As for Boris Johnson, he is very amusing and entertaining and plays up to his image very well but I wouldn't listen too seriously to what he has to say. It is difficult to put your finger on any achievements whilst he has been in office. As they, say judge the man by his deeds not his words.

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  • Mike10613
    Love rating 600
    Mike10613 said

    @OllMcDoll I agree with much of what you say. I know lots of writers and more and more of them are women now, because they will work for less. Th employer doesn't always outsmart the employee though, especially if they are freelance.

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  • onlinegenie
    Love rating 2
    onlinegenie said

    @bobmattfran - the place where I worked had the usual shelter for smokers. They chose to ignore it and stand in the only doorway. I think you'll find that this is illegal.

    Am I paranoid for not wanting to sit on a toilet seat that someone has urinated on?

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  • electricblue
    Love rating 643
    electricblue said

    @bobmattfran

    Smokers STINK whether their obnoxious habit is legal or not and working with semi-domesticated co-workers who are barely house trained is extremely stressful for anyone with a basic sense of hygiene. Clean toilets are essential to any decent work environment. I had enough of working with Neanderthals in suits years ago and am very happy in my self-employment.

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  • OllMcDoll
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    OllMcDoll said

    Dame: I didn't say all business are there to rip you off I said all businesses ONLY EXIST to extract your money from you. How they do it is the only thing that varies, it is their number one priority. Businesses exist to make money.

    They usually do this by selling you a product, this isn't ripping you off. It isn't even a bad thing but it is a way to separate you from your money. I apologise as I realise I wasn't being very specific and in fact having re-read my scribblings I admit that what I didn't realise I was doing was generalising hugely about big businesses and my own limited experience of being employed by one.

    None the less the fact remains. (in my opinion) Therefore, If a large business starts doing things that appear generous and not obviously profit making it's an interesting exercise to look at what they're doing from all angles and see if there's any way it might be. (profit making) For example I used to work for a big company (as a temp') who paid for their staff to have a massage once a week. This was very nice for the staff. - It also made them more productive having had a break, and stretched out their bodies making them considerably more efficient at their computers in the afternoon. (everybody wins, the staff feel {and are} valued, the company get more out of them, consequently more profit. This isn't a bad thing it's a good thing. - But It was also the first thing that went out the window when cuts to the company's outgoings had to be made.)

    They also paid for employees to have eye check-ups and if they needed glasses would pay a considerable sum towards them as a good-will gesture. again very nice of them; a good thing not a bad thing. (But also considerably cheaper than a potential lawsuit if the employee feels that their eyesight may have been damaged as a direct result of looking at a computer all day.) The vast majority of the staff were temps which is often convenient for them, but it's also incredibly convenient for the company, especially when a lot of the "temps" had been working there longer than a lot of the permanent staff. None of these things are necessarily bad in and of themselves, I just think it's always worth looking more than once when a large company does something that appears very generous.

    Having said all this I have massive admiration of you for running your own business, I run a business of one, (me) and I find the paperwork exhausting! I employed someone once to do a job I couldn't mange myself as I was already booked elsewhere and I'll never do it again. The amount of what my wife (who runs a small-scale business herself) refers to as "hidden work" in something as apparently simple as this is just astronomical! These days if I can't do a job myself I'll put the client directly in touch with someone who can or I'll recommend a few people for them to contact direct. I lose what might have been a small cut that way but I also lose a mass of work being effectively an agency which isn't something I have much skill or interest in. In the longer term I actually don't lose out though because those other people will often reciprocate and throw jobs my way when the boot's on the other foot so to speak.

    I hope this sounds a bit less cynical, I am very cynical with big businesses, let's face it we all have to deal with them all the time and the individual rarely comes out on top in the event of a disagreement, (Hands up all those people who just can't be bothered to take that bookshelf back to Ikea because there's a screw or two missing and it should be replaced but it's just so far to travel, there's only ever one person on the returns/customer service desk, there's a queue of seven hundred people there and actually I'd happily pay a tenner to NOT go through all that.)

    Thank goodness that these things are changing (albeit slowly) with the ever increasing influence of people power!

    Now that it's possible to object, protest and sign a petition from the comfort of one's home computer LOADS of people are doing it, - The GREEN party London Mayoral candidate came SECOND for goodness sake! not Ken! that's people power! (Oh yeah and a change in the voting system...) McDonalds are going to pay their olympic tax profits after all Hurrah! Big business bending to people power and the "smaller" person! it's a start anyway.

    And I'll stop because that's far too much rambling.

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  • bobmattfran
    Love rating 58
    bobmattfran said

    Electric Blue So do your comments, a typical comment from you as I have seen in the past. A self centred, self important moron. Thank heaven you work from home otherwise the complaints that the Human resources department would have to deal with caused by your inept, personally insulting comments would run to hundreds. Please do not bother to apply for a job with a company as you would be a walking disaster.

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  • electricblue
    Love rating 643
    electricblue said

    @bobmattfran

    What part of smokers stinking do you find personally insulting? Actually I'm a company VP but it happens to be in the USA, so the daily commute would be a little tedious.

    @OllMcDoll

    IKEA customer service is pretty good, they send any missing parts as a kit without question. I've also noticed their massive tendency to using European suppliers as opposed to Chinese these days so I don't rate that particular company as the heart of any evil empire, even if their shopping experience is a test of endurance.

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  • CarpeJugulum
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    CarpeJugulum said

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