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Bank Safety: Four Months On

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by Lovemoney Staff Szu Ping Chan on 06 February 2009  |  Comments 41 comments

It may be four months since the Icelandic banks went bust, but how safe are your savings now? Here's a full update, including latest CDS ratings.

This time last year, a little known Icelandic bank called Kaupthing Bank launched several online savings accounts in the UK through its UK arm, Kaupthing Edge. The bank offered market leading savings well above 6%, and joined fellow Icelandic bank Landsbanki in taking the UK savings market by storm.

Eight months on, during two unassuming mornings in early October, both banks plunged into administration, leaving millions of UK savers in limbo.

Thankfully, Mr. Darling came to the rescue, guaranteeing all Icesave deposits, and successfully overseeing a deal which saw rival ING take over savings from Kaupthing Edge and Landsbanki owned Heritable Bank.

Four month fallout

Personally, it's hard to believe that all this took place just four months ago.

Amid the panic which ensued, many savers flooded their money into government-backed National Savings & Investments (NS&I) and even state-owned Northern Rock. Some of Britain's best-known high street names hit murky waters, and institutions such as HBOS found themselves in need of rescue.

Things have somewhat calmed down since the banking bedlam, and with the base rate now at fresh lows of 1%, right now people are probably more concerned with potential returns than bank safety.

However, for those curious to find out how their bank is doing, here's a rundown of the current situation:

Measuring risk

One way we've measured the banking crisis is by looking at credit default swaps (CDSs), and in Spot Banks Before They Go Bust, I explained the usefulness of CDSs in terms of measuring risk.

In short, CDSs are a type of debt insurance, guaranteeing a holder's money will be repaid in the event a bank/company goes bust. So, the riskier a bank, the more expensive it is to insure its debts, and the higher its resultant CDS `score'.

CDSs are measured in basis points (one hundredth of a percentage point). Most UK banks hover around the 100 mark, which is pretty safe.

Above that, anything over 1,000 gets me shifting in my seat. Beyond 2,000, and the alarm bells start ringing. To put things into perspective, CDSs in Icelandic banks were trading near 3,000 basis points before they went bust.

For those curious about what's going on in the world of CDSs at the moment, here's a list of Britain's most popular banks and building societies, which banking group they belong to in relation to the Financial Services Compensation Scheme (FSCS), and their CDS ratings:

ProviderParent CompanyMaximum Level of protectionCDS of Parent Company
ING Direct, Kaupthing Edge, Heritable BankING Direct N.V._100,000 (approx. £77,000) is covered under the Dutch Depositors' Compensation Scheme.102.2
Lloyds TSB, Cheltenham and GloucesterLloyds TSB Group PLC£50,000 (in total)116.0
Bank of Scotland, The AA, Birmingham Midshires, Halifax, Intelligent Finance, SagaHBOS£50,000 (in total)116.7
HSBC, First DirectHSBC Bank PLC£50,000 (in total)117.9
NationwideNationwide Building Society£50,000125.7
Alliance and LeicesterBanco Santander£50,000126.0
Abbey, Asda, Bradford and Bingley, CahootBanco Santander£50,000 (in total)126.0
NatWestRoyal Bank of Scotland£50,000133.3
RBSRoyal Bank of Scotland£50,000133.3
Barclays, WoolwichBarclays Bank PLC£50,000 (in total)175.3
Yorkshire Building SocietyYorkshire Building Society£50,000 (in total)199.8
EggCitigroup£50,000319.6
Bank of Ireland, Post Office, Bristol and WestBank of IrelandFully protected by the Irish government until Sept. 2010.347.5
Anglo Irish BankAnglo Irish Bank PLCFully protected by the Irish government until Sept. 2010.399.6
ICICI BankICICI Bank Limited£50,000594.5

Data correct as at 12pm, 6th February 2009. Source: Bloomberg.

As you can see from the table above, there's not much to choose between the big high street banks. ING Direct is currently the market's safest bet, while HBOS's hero Lloyds TSB takes second spot.

The Irish banking system has also hit troubled waters in recent times, with Ireland's third largest lender, Anglo Irish nationalised last month. As a result, Irish banks have been deemed less safe than their English equivalents, with CDSs hovering around the 400 mark.

Barclays, which saw its shares jump after an open letter reassured investors of its continued good health, saw them plummet down again after rating agency Moody's cut its credit rating - a sign that the bank is not out of troubled waters yet.

As a result, Barclays is also deemed the riskiest of the `big five' banks, with a current CDS rate of 175.

Bringing up the rear is ICICI. Rumours were rife last year that the Indian bank could follow in the footsteps of its Icelandic counterparts, so much so that the bank plastered its credibility all over its website to try and reassure nervous investors not to pull money out.

Four months on, and the high interest rates they offer still suggest they are looking to shore up their balance sheets. However, CDSs in ICICI have halved since October, and for now at least, the market thinks it's reasonably safe bet.

Building blocks

Amid the crisis, we also need to remember that it isn't just the banks that have changed their tunes. Several building societies were also hit hard, with many forced to merge to survive the economic downturn.

One notable victim of the credit crunch was Barnsley BS, which was taken over by rival Yorkshire BS after it revealed it had some £10 million invested in the melted Icelandic banks.

Blemished balance books also got both Derbyshire and Cheshire building societies into trouble, and both were taken over by giant Nationwide in December.

Last year, Scarborough BS also announced its merger with rival Skipton. The predicted impact of house price falls and the recession led Scarborough to approach its rival in order to secure capital resources.

Elsewhere, mutual minnow Catholic BS also merged with high street name Chelsea BS and, just last month, powerhouses Co-Op and Britannia announced they were to merge, forming what will be a super-mutual.

In the continuing economic downturn, you can probably expect more of these mergers to happen, without the normal associated windfalls. After all, in a downturn, although it pays to keep your friends close, in these cases, it also pays to keep your enemies closer.

For now, there is no perfect solution as to where to put your money. But save smart, and keep within the FSCS's compensation limits, and you have a pretty good formula in my book.

More: Banks vs. Building Societies: Which Are Safer? / Spot Banks Before They Go Bust

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Comments (41)

  • Fingered
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    Fingered said

    One month on in 2009......little known fact: 9 bmks have gone down in the US.

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  • hooterr
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    hooterr said

    You have listed Anglo Irish Bank PLC Fully protected by the Irish government until Sept. 2010.

    ... but how safe is the Irish government and if they default will savings be covered by the FSCS?

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  • koko1016
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    koko1016 said

    What about Clydesdale and Yorkshire bank? How are they rank against the rest?

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  • drouthyneebor
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    drouthyneebor said

    What about the Co-OP bank Smile? I understood that they were one of the few banks that actually made a profit last year. How does it rank safety wise?

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  • RobbedbyKSFIOM
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    RobbedbyKSFIOM said

    Thankfully, Mr. Darling came to the rescue, guaranteeing all .....! Oh really! What about the money he robbed from honest KSF Isle of Man depositors (like me) and which he is refusing to return leaving 1000s of people destitute. What about us? Mr Darling came to the rescue indeed - he robbed Peter to pay Paul, that's what he did.

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  • potblack
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    potblack said

    This is one of the most useful articles in recent times. This site twelve months ago was recommending Iceland bank(s) as good investments because they were paying high interst rates. We are now told their CDS were around 3000! If every investment recommendation on this site included the CDS, such articles would be far more useful and (we now know) less dangerous.

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  • atseyes
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    atseyes said

    Ain't hindsight wonderful! I don't think, twelve months ago, many people could really anticipate what was going to happen last year, not even the 'experts'.

    And was the bank 'bail-out' really the right thing to do? I wonder what the verdict of history will be.

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  • jheenan1
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    jheenan1 said

    Potblack, To be fair to the fool, nobody had even heard of CDS's a year ago, not even the government.

    I invested in Icesave myself, up to the protected limit, aware that the money would be returned part via Iceland, part via our FSA should the bank fail.

    Of course I didnt imagine for a second thet the Icelandic government would go bankrupt!

    It is a sign of the times that our whole mindset has changed and we are now talking about not investing in ireland, Greece or Hungary as the governments could go bust.

    Its amazing how what we perceive to be normal 18 months ago is so far from what we percieve to be normal today

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  • jheenan1
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    jheenan1 said

    Very useful article by the way

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  • Iamamug
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    Iamamug said

    A very useful article, perhaps all best interest rate tables should now include CDS.

    I deposited some money recently with AA after declining ING as they are not part of the British FSCS.

    Perhaps I should have trusted the Dutch after all.

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  • potblack
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    potblack said

    jheenan1. Of course. but going foreward, surely mention of CDS should be mandatory. Let's get ahead. You mention Ireland, Greece and Hungary. Can you give a full list please?

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  • pitbullukusa
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    pitbullukusa said

    This is very informative but I would like to request that Citibank UK be mentioned more in your reports. I am not sure if many 'fools' have accounts with them but I do and I seem to have to scour the internet for information on them.

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  • admiralbenbow17
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    admiralbenbow17 said

    Following on from pitbullukusa some information on the current credit standing of Standard Life Bank would be useful as it is very difficult to get anything which separates it out from Standard Life as a whole.

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  • Thursford
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    Thursford said

    What about First Save which is owned by a Nigerian Bank? Also Julian Hodge Bank based in Cardiff?

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  • houstonstewart
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    houstonstewart said

    On the subject of Icelandic Banks, I wonder how many are still waiting for their compensation via FSCS?

    Have had joint savings returned including my cash ISA with IceSave but my wife still not received her compensation on her IceSave cash ISA.

    FSCS just keep fobbing us off with accounts of 'had some administration problems'. Meanwhile no surety of return and loss of interest (such as there is available) since IceSave went bust.

    Who else still waiting and what are they being told?

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  • bouleversee
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    bouleversee said

    Anglo Irish are no longer covered by the FSCS; the safety of your deposits depends now on the solvency of the Irish Govt.

    I had assumed Halifax would now be lumped in with Lloyds Bank Group following the takeover. Could it go bust even if Lloyds didn't? Please explain.

    Very useful article.

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  • redechan
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    redechan said

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  • MrRee007
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    MrRee007 said

    The collapse of the Icelandic Banks shows what use Guaranteed Protection amounts are - not worth the paper they are written on!

    I had funds in Icesave and Laupthing Edge ... I also had an ISA with Icesave.

    Keeping an eye on what was happening I got every penny out of the accounts with literally a day to spare - but, due to the Tax Status of the ISA, I had that left in Iceland!!

    Having suffered a few sleepless nights, until the UK Government stepped up to the mark and assured the return of my savings, I am very aware that Guarantees in Banking are worthless ...... how can someone Guarantee something that they could never, ever, honour if the worst happened?

    I'm sure that they are all worth their massive Bonuses ...... they're all a bunch of Bankers!!

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  • redechan
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    redechan said

    Just thought I'd tell you I received a cheque from FSA today for the full amount plus interest on my Icesave one year fixed rate account which matured on 2nd Febuary, so I'm glad I took the decision to leave it until maturity and get the 6.5% interest. Now what? I'm really happy to get the information in this article which will be a great help for reinvesting.

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  • Toni54
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    Toni54 said

    Could anyone tell me which bank Tesco comes under - or better still, where can I look for a complete list of parent banks?

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  • varmatyr
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    varmatyr said

    I'd also like to know about Tesco Finance plus how risky the building societies are, e.g. Coventry and Dunfermline.

    I'm a bit surprised that ING has the lowest CDS rating though, given all the problems they've had over the last few months. I expected them to be nearer the riskier end of the scale.

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  • Max878
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    Max878 said

    Very interesting article - thanks!

    I chose ING and ICICI over Anglo Irish because I think they're at least as safe (?), but was also surprised to see ING so low on the list.

    And some recently TMF recommended ISAs were not mentioned, e.g Birmingham Midshires. You can't mention them all obviously, but perhaps the ones that you've recommended you might (e.g, Tesco)?

    Anyway, jolly good, keep it up and I'd also like to see this rating or even a general rating mentioned when you mention a bank by name. You're right - we're never satisfied :)

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  • Max878
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    Max878 said

    You did mention Birmingham Midshires. Sincere apologies and a gold star.

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  • Thursford
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    Thursford said

    I don't think Tesco is linked to any other bank. A complete list can be seen on Martin Lewis's website - www.moneysavingexpert.com

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  • Lamegrapefruit
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    Lamegrapefruit said

    RobbedbyKSFIOM complains that the British Tax Payer did not bail him out ehen he invested in an overseas account to avoid paying UK tax!! Why should we?

    It seems to me that the only result of cutting interest rates is to leave the savers with less income to spend and rewards the borrowers. Even though there are 6 times as many savers. The other problem with all these rate cuts is that it damages the value of the £. This will ultimately cause inflation as oil and imported goods prices rise and so hurt all of us.

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  • GreenerFool
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    GreenerFool said

    Thank you for providing CDS ratings.

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  • turnpike01
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    turnpike01 said

    How can anybody seriously believe that the Irish government or the E.U. will not honour the savings in Irish institutions!Scaremongering seems to be the favourite hobby at the moment.

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  • denwalks
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    denwalks said

    I second that post by houstonstewart. My wife is in the same situation, waiting for over three months now with a complete disregard by the fscs.

    How many other people are being tre?ated this way.

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  • Living9
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    Living9 said

    I have just lodged money with Citi and also about to bank for the Tesco internet account. CDS or equivalent on these would be appreciated. Otherwise go for gold!

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  • Nemo666
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    Nemo666 said

    CDS spreads only tell you what the market "thinks" and is not a great guide especially now as fear rules the credit markets.

    For personal investors keeping 50k max in any account is the sensible option. I really cant beleive that some people had 100,000s of pounds in just one account recently! Stories of people putting half million in an icelandic bank deposit offshore (all their capital) reminded me of the saying

    "a fool and his money are easily separated"

    caveat emptor in finance

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  • RedundantHippie
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    RedundantHippie said

    Does anyone know what would happen to a share portfolio held within a Bank nominee account if that Bank went belly up? Would the shares held in the nominee accounts be returned to the owner or would they be concidered as assets to be liquidised by the receivers. Would the owners only by covered by the FSA compensation scheme? Or is there no guarantee? What about nominee accounts held with stockbrokers - are they at risk if the stockbroker folds?

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  • smerfdoobrie
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    smerfdoobrie said

    Something smelly is happening with TESCO-I've posted my application for the internet saver more than 2 weeks ago, Their voice hold says that if you completed your application on or b4 the 7th Jan you will get the bonus rate of interest,however I'm in limbo with them not cashing my cheque and whilst they say their thanking me for my patience it looks to me like they are simply delaying processing not to pay any interest at all-I reckon I'm down about £30 so far-Try getting a response from their phone number-no chance.

    Secondly LlOyds have written to me with a "nice" offer-pull my twelve month fixed rate ISA out they say and they'll not charge me the 90 day loss of interest-how kind, its "interesting"they pushed very hard to get me to open it-grabbing the cash when they needed it last April and now that they are hoisted on their own marketing petard they are crying, no doubt our tax money is a cheaper way of funding their failures,I bet their not sending their personal loan customers nice letters offering to forego interest

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  • jozz
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    jozz said

    Tesco Finance was a joint venture with RBS but Tesco have now bought RBS out of the venture. This means that they (Tesco) wholly own Tesco Finance so your risk as an investor is to Tesco itself.

    They are registered directly by the FSA :

    FSA No. 186022 - Tesco Personal Finance Ltd

    The last CDS level I can find for TESCO is 140 so that means the market views it as a safer home for your money than BARCLAYS.

    The full story on Tesco's Buyout of the joint venture can be found here :-

    http://www.tescocorporate.com/plc/media/pr/pr2008/2008-07-28/

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  • Max878
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    Max878 said

    Thanks jozz.

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  • varmatyr
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    varmatyr said

    Excellent, thanks for that jozz. What source did you use for the Tesco CDS rating?

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  • varmatyr
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    varmatyr said

    Hmm, just found this:

    http://www.creditflux.com/Funds/2008-12-03/BNP-Paribas-says-add-Tesco-still-a-strong-credit

    "BNP Paribas analysts has upgraded its recommendation for Tesco from hold to add. Based on its analysis, Tesco, which currently trades at 165/185 basis points, is a soild credit in the resilient food retail sector. "

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  • PrudencePunished
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    PrudencePunished said

    Lamegrapefruit, what a truly lame and uninformed comment you made. "RobbedbyKSFIOM complains that the British Tax Payer did not bail him out ehen he invested in an overseas account to avoid paying UK tax!! Why should we?"

    Well, firstly no-one is asking the British taxpayer to 'bail us out' - we are simply asking for our hard-earned, tax-already-paid savings back from the UK Treasury. We did not 'invest' in an overseas account, we placed our savings and our trust in a previously solvent bank. We bank on the Isle of Man because as British ex-pats we are prevented from opening savings accounts on mainland UK. We are NOT tax-dodgers, we pay tax on interest received, in the country we are domiciled in. And we have paid a whole bunch of tax already to the UK whilst earning those savings in the first place. So you got it wrong all round.

    If anyone cares about this travesty perpetrated by your elected government, find out at http://www.ksfiomdepositors.org/

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  • suilvenms
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    suilvenms said

    Still waiting for FSCS Compensation for my Icesave account and cannot get anything response from their email and all the phone line does is say try again next week. It's poor.

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  • sbolter
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    sbolter said

    ING

    I believe that the €100 000 level of the Netherlands guarantee is only fixed for 1 year. After that the guarantee will be the Netherlands one or the UK one, whichever is greater.

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  • madf001
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    madf001 said

    How about credit ratings for the national compensation schemes

    Uk, Ireland, Netherlands, Germany etc

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  • notdeadfred
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    notdeadfred said

    My wife is also still waiting for her IceSave Cash ISA compensation. We couldn't use the electronic process due to a cash in transit discrepancy with her balance and sent off the paper application forms when received. No message was received from FSCS to put our minds at rest that they had actually received it. Subsequent phone calls by us to confirm this were met with "sorry we can't tell you if we have received it or not" - very reassuring not.

    E-mails were not replied to until out of the blue a couple of weeks age we got one confirming that the application has been received and is "being processed".

    Still no money though. Will try phoning again this week. The really annoying aspect of these extra delays is that we have missed the opportunity to put the cash into fixed rate ISA's at slightly higher rates before the worst of the base rate cuts.

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