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The Great Credit Crunch War

Harvey Jones
by Lovemoney Staff Harvey Jones on 20 January 2009  |  Comments 38 comments

Harvey Jones takes an apocalyptic look at the future of this country.

With questionable taste, politicians and pundits have been comparing the credit crunch to a war.

No question which war, of course. The War. The one Britons always hanker after in times of crisis.

Gordon Brown says the Blitz spirit will see us through, as if the banks were German high command (I won't compare them to Nazis - yet), and credit default swaps were Luftwaffe bombs.

Well, I've donned my tin hat and gas mask (bank debt is so toxic), and am doing my bit for Britain.

So that one day, when this is all over, my daughter will sit on my knee and ask me: Daddy, what did YOU do in the great crunch?*

And I'll be able to say.

Hostilities break out.

"The important thing to remember is that the credit crunch wasn't a war, although Britain did feel under siege. And we weren't fighting the Germans for once, although Spain, Italy and other eurozone members felt like they were.

"At first, nobody knew what was happening, or how bad it would get. We just sat at home in front of our wireless (laptops), desperate for news like everybody else.

"Hearing Prime Minister Gordon Brown's voice on the radio wasn't exactly reassuring. He kept pouring billions into the banks, but it didn't seem to do any good. What was that old quote? `Never, in the field banking, was so much handed over by so many, to so few.' So true.

The phoney war.

"In those early days, everybody tried to pull together. The papers ran lots of patriotic articles telling us how to save money. We cut down on takeaways. Repaired our old clothes. Drank less and tried to quit smoking. We even spent more time together as families, huddling round the TV watching Mamma Mia again and again to keep our spirits up.

"There was an air of unreality as well. Bars were still full. Restaurants did a roaring trade. We shopped.

"And me? I was lucky enough to have savings, and paid £20,000 off my mortgage. I switched utility supplier. Found cheaper motor insurance online. Shopped at Lidl and Aldi.

"We ate up all the old tinned food and packet soups that had been gathering dust in the kitchen, even those way past their sell-by date. It didn't do us any harm.

"Just like in the war - the proper war, the one we won - I grew my own vegetables. I sawed up some old planks and fed them into our wood burning stove. It was perishing cold, the winter of 2008, and fuel was expensive.

"What else? Well, I bought a pint of beer for a pound - we still had pubs in those days. I bought some CDs at the Woolworths' closing down sale (then spotted them cheaper online). We cancelled our holiday. My sister, your auntie Wendy, even took to knitting her own clothes. None of these things helped much, but it stopped us from feeling completely powerless.

Our darkest hour.

"There were early casualties. Woolies, Zavvi, Whittards, Wedgewood, but it got worse after the second banking bailout failed. Even slashing interest rates didn't help. People lost their jobs, their houses. Deflation was a constant menace. There was a run on the pound. At one point, the nation was only seven days from bankruptcy.

"Mr Brown ran a war economy - nationalising the banks was only the beginning. He was trying to pretend he was Winston Churchill, but the papers kept comparing him to Neville Chamberlain.

"People were angry. There were mass protests against the City spivs, looters and profiteers who had got us into this mess. Right until his bank was taken over, the chairman of RBS drew a £700,000 salary. Unimaginable now.

"I was lucky, I still had some work. My mortgage interest rate fell to just 3%, which helped. I chopped more wood.

"We were all spending less and less, even though we knew this would only make things worse. But the more Mr Brown urged us to spend, the tighter we clung onto our wallets.

The austerity years.

"When the financial system finally stabilised, we surveyed the damage. Millions of Britons were unemployed - and tens of millions more around the world. Property prices had collapsed. Imagine, we used to measure our wealth in bricks and mortar! But others had it worse. Greece, Italy, Spain, Russia, China and many others suffered riots and revolutions.

"We're still cleaning up the mess and trying to pay back our debts. That'll be your job, sweetie.

Goodbye to all that.

"So that's it. As you know, we still commemorate the credit crunch every year."

"Is that when we file solemnly down Canary Wharf, burning effigies of rapacious bankers?"

"Yes, although in Spain and Italy, they burn heaps of worthless old euros instead. What's up darling? "

"Daddy, this nasty boy in the playground called me a banker the other day."

"Darling, I'm sorry, children can be so cruel."

"I'm not a banker, am I?"

"No, you're not, and if it's up to me, you never will be."

"My friends all want to be teachers. It's a really important job, daddy, and the bonuses are much higher."

* Yes, I know that famous poster was from the Great War. in fact you can see it here.

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Comments (38)

  • miseryguts
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    miseryguts said

    I can no longer see the point of this website.

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  • peepobaby
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    peepobaby said

    Ironic isn't it.

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  • nominando
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    nominando said

    What rubbish!

    Irony is the UK is far worse than the other european countries mentioned in this pointless article.

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  • TMFGoogly
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    TMFGoogly said

    Great article. Highly engaging and amusing.

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  • GB904150
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    GB904150 said

    A slightly novel take on matters, yet the author seems to adopt the deluded view that the UK government isn't to blame for this mess.

    It's all those nasty bankers you see. Keep peddling the lies and eventually they'll catch on.

    Whatever happened to the Tripartite regulatory system that we were all so proud of all of what....18 months ago.

    And as for the "nobody saw this coming line"....you were clearly all looking in the wrong places.

    Lots of people saw this coming.

    That's why they didn't buy property, especially over the last 4-5 years when things really got out of hand.

    The really smart ones went one better and bought gold instead.

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  • Staintunerider
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    Staintunerider said

    Utter Garbage, does not befit Fool.co.uk.

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  • CaptainFlak
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    CaptainFlak said

    I like a laugh, some may already know that from my Q&A answers.

    This didn't make me laugh in fact I've already forgotten what it said, probably because

    I found it pretty pointless.

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  • fatgeordie
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    fatgeordie said

    Obviously the first casualty of the war was the british sense of humour.

    I know Labour has been in power for a long time but it's worth remembering that they only got elected and re-elected on the basis of Thatcherite policies, i.e. the market knows best, greed is good and so on. The electorate (that's us!) needs to take its share of the blame. And please don't try to tell me the Tories would have done anything differently.

    So, that's a long-winded way of agreeing with GB904150, but using "UK Government" in the widest sense. The root of the problem is free-market capitalism and our love affair with it.

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  • guyleeds
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    guyleeds said

    I think some of you need to get a sense of humour. It made me laugh and however bad things get if we can't have a laugh and a joke we may as well be robots or dead!!

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  • oswizuk
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    oswizuk said

    Oh come on, you miserable lot - lighten up!

    Stop wearing your long miserable faces and welcome someone who has an original and "sideways" look at the mess we're in!

    Thank you H-J for this - something to smile and chuckle at.

    Maybe the moaners above are just a load of bankers!

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  • TooFool4School
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    TooFool4School said

    Yeah... YEAH!

    I thought it was amusing.

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  • Sean5310
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    Sean5310 said

    Every good crises deserves a good acronym, this is my attempt:

    Apathetically

    Purchased

    Obnoxious

    CDO’s

    Arranged

    Laissez-faire

    Yielding

    Pandemic,

    Tautology &

    Illogical

    Capitalism

    Sean.

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  • halfspoon
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    halfspoon said

    Hi everybody,

    We live in France, so our perspective is just a bit different.

    First, I think the British sense of irony is something to be treasured, not dumped on -- what else have we got to smile about.

    With the £ dropping still further against the Euro this morning, the idea that Britain is 7 days away from bankruptcy doesn't seem too far-fetched.

    The point about irony is that it may be uncomfortably near the truth, and it doesn't seem terribly relevant to us (now) to look to point the finger at the banks, or poor old Darling.

    The one thing you DON'T hear in France is constant laying on gloom and doom about the state of the economy -- which is what the British, and the British press, are experts at.

    To sum up, I liked the article, and we should all hope that it's really a long way from reality; the problem is, from over here, it doen't see so unrealistic.

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  • daveyboy76
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    daveyboy76 said

    Now thats EXACTLY what i'd call the most likely scenario... You missed the part about how Asia finally waved goodbye to us all, just like the Roman, the Ottomans, the Portugese, the Spanish, the British empires did respectively. Now its the turn of the US empire to gradually fade into the history books...

    Only this time the weapons were not clubs or swords or guns, it was something far more crippling. It was the weight of history bearing down upon our shoulders, and the fact that we had already wrode the crest of our wave, now HUGELY compounded by crippling debt.

    RIP The US Empire 1900-2020

    "I told you i was sick"

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  • bob1023
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    bob1023 said

    Just when I was getting totally depressed - something to bring a wry smile at least.

    Is it not a British virtue to make jokes when things are at their worst. My offering:

    A new teacher was getting to know the kids by asking them their name and what their father did for a living.

    The first little girl said: “My name is Mary and my Daddy is a postman.”

    The next child, a little boy said: “I’m Andy and my Dad is a mechanic.”

    And so it went until one little boy said: “My name is Johnny and my father is a striptease artist.” The teacher gasped and quickly changed the subject. Later, in the school yard, the teacher approached Little Johnny privately and asked if it was really true that his dad danced nude.

    Little Johnny blushed and said, “No, he’s really a Business Development Director at RBOS, but I’m just too embarrassed to tell anyone.”

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  • AbbevilleBoy
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    AbbevilleBoy said

    well I liked it

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  • Meg54
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    Meg54 said

    I'm still laughing. Credit crunch war??

    I went to a shopping mall on Saturday. The shops were packed, people were buying foodstuffs, clothes, cd's, jewellery, etc etc. None of the shops were empty. The travel agencies were packed! In fact, all I saw was normality, people spending, and living normal lives.

    If that is war, then we must all be packing up our troubles in our old kitbags and smiling.

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  • mer2k
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    mer2k said

    I don't understand the critisism of this article: if you don't consider the worst case, then you are just burying your head in the sand - yes I am calling certain commentators Ostriches.

    Lets agree: the banks and the regulators are to blame for causing the problem, and this government is to blame for us not being able to cope with a problem and the extra damage they have caused by trying and failing to fix the problem.

    The latest bailout will not work: The banks are still trying to hide huge potential losses. The insurance scheme if done right will require investigating every loan which will be hugely expensive, will reveal the bigger problem, and require banks to raise huge amounts more cash to pay for the insurance, which will result in them having no money to loan. If done wrong, then the banks will be laughing, and the taxpayer will foot the bill, and we will get the situation this article describes.

    A better solution would be for the BOE to loan money to the banks at base rate (plus a little?), provided that the banks only use it to loan out to UK companies and mortgages at preset rates depending on risk say 3.5% for lowest risk. This is simple, and helps banks return to the old fashion method of banking, but most importantly gets credit moving again.

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  • Fazzersix
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    Fazzersix said

    The government to slow to act so what will be will be.

    The truth is its only money but who's got it and where's it being hidden !

    Maybe its its with the sugar mountain or with brussel sprout's !

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  • jacknizzy
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    jacknizzy said

    Well done Harvey! Financial writers are not noted for their creative flair - normally, rightly so. After all, pragmatism is the name of the game in such a genre.

    This article, however, was very entertaining and, as such, deserves plaudits rather than the dismissive disdain shown by most of these responses. For creative flair, if not accuracy, I'd give it a high mark. Let's have more like this.

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  • Yorkstyke
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    Yorkstyke said

    The war will really be between the "chosen few / key workers" (the protected minority in the public sector)and the dumped on majority in the private sector.

    Time to say "enough is enough" and lets see some cutbacks in the public sector.

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  • Geoffson
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    Geoffson said

    How is it possible to make so much heartache and trouble throughout the world and still pickup massive bonuses £700.000. It's time again for Jesus to come back and "whip these chairman out of the banks,to turn the tables over, so greed cannot raise it's head again.

    There are Laws that everyone has to live too.

    Some people in the world feel they can do anything and get away with it.

    Apparently nobody saw this credit crunch coming.

    "Yeh right"

    Believe me Judgemment Day is for everyone.

    whoever did not laugh when you joked. " Daddy this nasty boy in the play ground called me a Banker" Simply is not Human.

    But to be fair is a chairman of a bank.

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  • daveyboy76
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    daveyboy76 said

    It will be the erosion of the middle class. The upper class are to rich to be bothered, the lower class is to looked after to be bothered, and so its bestowed onto the middle class. We will be the ones with the higher taxes, we will be the one's who can't get anywhere remote;y near the credit with have become used to for many years (which i'm not suggesting is a bad thing, but it will certainly impact on how "well" we live), we will be the ones who see the cost of our middle class holidays in middle class resorts skyrocket as our currency becomes less and less worthless, we will be the one's that will have to eventually swap our hard earnt sterling into Euro's at god knows what lowely rate, we will be the ones who live in and watch a country that has no export of note other than Energy, become net importers within a decade, we will be the one's who pay via our taxes for the millions of unemployed on top of "normal" unemployment fiures, we will be the ones who watch our jobs move abroad and into foreign hands. And the worst part is.... theres not a thing we can do! (Other than to teach our children Chinese!)

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  • prwatts
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    prwatts said

    Perhaps this is an Apoplectic take. I don't think Blitz Jokes went down too well at the time. I agree with Miseryguts - this website is fast becoming frivolous and irrelevant. My son is studying Business and Finance at one of the country's finest universities - why should he feel ashamed?

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  • daveyboy76
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    daveyboy76 said

    It will be the erosion of the middle class. The upper class are to rich to be bothered, the lower class is to looked after to be bothered, and so its bestowed onto the middle class. We will be the ones with the higher taxes, we will be the one's who can't get anywhere remotely near the credit with have become used to for many years (which i'm not suggesting is a bad thing, but it will certainly impact on how "well" we live), we will be the ones who see the cost of our middle class holidays in middle class resorts skyrocket as our currency becomes less and less worthless, we will be the one's that will have to eventually swap our hard earnt sterling into Euro's at god knows what lowely rate, we will be the ones who live in and watch a country that has no export of note other than Energy, become net importers within a decade, we will be the one's who pay via our taxes for the millions of unemployed on top of "normal" unemployment fiures, we will be the ones who watch our jobs move abroad and into foreign hands. And the worst part is.... theres not a thing we can do! (Other than to teach our children Chinese!)

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  • Jonesey12
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    Jonesey12 said

    Thanks for the support, jacknizzy, mer2k, bob1023, TooFool4School, TMFGoogly and the rest, you cheered me up after the early, bruising comments. I thought this article might get a mixed response! As for my critics, don't give up on me, I promise to write something sensible next time!

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  • NickyBics
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    NickyBics said

    I must take issue with FatGeordie - the solution (not the problem) to the current problem is free market capitalism.

    In good times, what's the one thing we know about a banker? He'll lend money to companies that don't need it but steers clear of companies that need to borrow. Why? Simply because he's not a businessman - he's not able to make the decision on whether an investment will work because he doesn't have to because he's got a government given business plan for which he needs not compete (of judge) - Pensions.

    If you want to save for your future, you can invest in my company but any profit you get will be taxed at 40%. This is such a massive 'take' that it makes it so much more difficult for me to compete against the pension schemes. Thus, the vast majority of us invest with the bank's pension schemes. This massive distortion of the free market allows the banks to act in ways that I, running my own business, could not possibly imagine (or get away with).

    Free market capitalism would have allowed the rouge banks to go bust. It would teach YOU (whether you lost your life savings or not) to invest your hard earned savings in institutions that respect and take care of your money and not to simply whore your money out to whomever is offering you a return you know to be unsustainable.

    It would reward the good bankers who would pick up the bad banker's assets at a reduced price and would punish the bad bankers with the bankruptcy they deserve. But instead, the government intercedes (with the sole intention of saving their own necks) and we are condemned to pay for years to come because politics (not free market capitalism) can not afford the fall-out.

    It is Britons' views that the government should and must look after them that is at fault. When it looked like HBOS was going bust I was making telephone calls making sure that my savings were safe. Had I found that they were not safe then I would have taken steps to make them safe. If only the rest of Britain had done the same. Instead the majority simply derogated their responsibilities to the government - which would be fine if the government were actually interested in your savings. In fact, the ONLY thing a politician is interested in is keeping his job so that he can live out his raison d’etre – to show that he knows how to live your life better than you do by passing the laws that makes society ‘better to live in’.

    The politician in this country (of any colour) knows that if the banks go bust, the people will blame them. They can’t afford for this to happen so they are happy to engage in any silly plan to save their necks (including hocking our childrens’ futures for years to come). That has nothing to do with free market capitalism.

    In 30 year’s time, the story the grandchild of one of today’s bankers will hear is that – once the flack from the 2008 war had settled – the one thing the bankers learnt was that they were free to continue in their greedy non-business ways safe in the knowledge that they would be free from the consequences. And that Mr FatGeordie, is as far removed from free-market capitalism as one of Joseph Stalin’s gulags.

    Of course, it’s so much simpler to blame capitalism – because so many people have so much vested interest in doing so. But the fact is that EVERY single ounce of wealth you own (and every person on this planet owns) has been created by honest endeavour (yours or someone else’s). Capitalism is the politics that says you should get to keep every ounce that you created. What’s wrong with that?

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  • heskybabes
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    heskybabes said

    Thought the article funny and laughed at miseryguts response to it :)

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  • sje111
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    sje111 said

    miseryguts wrote:

    "I can no longer see the point of this website."

    I quite agree, so many of the articles are contradictory:

    One says pensions are returning less due to poor performing investment markets while another article urges us to put all we can into a pension (despite many of us having a limited disposable income.

    Articles about banks offering ridiculously high savings rates (we should have seen their bankruptcy coming) followed by articles telling us which are the highest rates available (yet more foreign banks like Icesave etc).

    I could go on with other examples but I think I have made my point - "The Fool" has become too big for it's own good and has lost direction. Great when it started but now there are far too many e-mails, all recycling the same ideas: dangerous because anyone without a good "cynical bone" might take too much notices and be badly influenced.

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  • mer2k
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    mer2k said

    Nicky Bics - unfortunately free market capitalism does not work with the banks: They all have lent to each other, such that if one went bust, each would have to write off a load of assets, which would likely trigger another to go bust, and domino through the whole sector. Imagine theres no banks - its easy if you try, or if GB continues to fail to rescue them and pour £billions of taxpayers money in, there'll be no country too.

    However I do agree that they should be hung out to dry significantly, which is resulting in the banking shareprice colapse we are seeing, and will continue to see. There is an opportunity for someone with huge amounts of cash (except this inefficent government) to steel huge amounts of the banks business...

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  • 40ishAndWary
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    40ishAndWary said

    You raised a wry smile from me Harvey. Nice work fellah.

    I do however sympathise with some of the readership who found the article not worth their time.

    The Fool as a collection of writings has arguably lost a little of its edge and dare I say it credability over the last few years. Its a shame because this is a genuinely interesting time in economic history.

    Perhaps Harvey and his peers need to get out from behind their laptops and get under the skin of a few bankers and give us some genuine insights. Or at the very least read a bit more widely.

    The deals that bankers are continuing to do today making fat margins out of local councils through dodgy swap deals and the like mean that their are still excesses going on every day.

    I'm a little bored of 250 words on pensions, isas, credit cards, mortgages, fuel & house prices. Start looking at the transactions that companies and governments are making and how individual investors can get involved.

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  • malchill
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    malchill said

    As a retired banker of 39 years it is annoying that Brown and the media blame it all on the bankers of this world.

    Yes a few made huge mistakes like recruting a supermarket CEO to run HBOS and who hadnt got a clue how to run a bank.

    The allowing Fred the shed to take over ABN at a ridiculous share price and where the due diligence didnt appear to have been done properly.

    Nobody complained in this government when the banking corporations were pouring millions into the traesury coffers by way of corporation tax or pouring millions by allowing the housing market to let rip.Or billions in VAT by lending trillions on credit cards,loans and mortgages to personal borrowers resulting in the highest personal debt ever.

    Now brown and darling are rewarding those people by lowering rates that reward overborrowing while penalising prudent savers.

    Gordon brown also has a lot more to answer for.First of all he got all his PSBR numbers wrong every budget since 2002.Each time he borrowed more than he said he would and as a result ran up billions of pounds more debt,while all the time the media were trapped in a trance calling him the Prudent Chancellor.

    The when he had the chance to get in early as far as the credit crunch was concerned.He fluffed it because he had split the key people into the FSA and the Bank of England and as a result nobody could agree what to do when Lloyds approached the treasury for a loan to buy Northern Rock.

    Had they agreed the 30 billion it wouldnt have been necessary to nationalise Northern Rock and the market would have been more confident.

    Once Northern Rock went down the domino effect came in to being and the rest is history.

    If Brown had been around when Barings went to the wall we would have had a crisis then but the bank of England and the treasury sorted it out over night.

    So ignore Labour and Brown when they blame it all on the global banking situation,they also have played just a big part in it as well.

    regards malc

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  • shepherd2008
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    shepherd2008 said

    Great article. Actually managed to deliver a fair analogy.

    Now where are all those cheap properties for me to buy?

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  • laalaa41
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    laalaa41 said

    I guess irony is lost on those who are going through a lot of bother or worse as a result of this self-inflicted wound.

    The ordinary man in the street couldnt have possibly known about this. I have some college training under my belt, not a complete thicko, but I didnt imagine people at the top were being so stupid nor could I have foreseen the effect it would have.

    What about insurance? I thought mortgages, liabilities etc were insured against loss of earnings/illness. So why are the debts people havent been able to pay not been insured?

    In the real world, someone who costs the company money through incompetence/negligence/rank stupidity finds themselves sacked on the spot. I'm gobsmacked that these idiots are sitting pretty when the people who are bailing these numpties out (in tax) have lost the family home and have nothing to feed their children today!

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  • Amadeus102
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    Amadeus102 said

    Fool UK is weak and this article just shows how pathetic it has become. It is now full of credit card commercials, mad "millionaire trader secret" seminars and generally poor writing and journalism. Yesterday I got a Fool Advert - which banks to buy now!?!?! Fool - you can't be serious with this at this time???

    Occassionally something good comes along, but generally it is rubbish.

    I will cancel most of my mail subscriptions. Frugal Fridays can be quite good as they capture deals of the week, so will keep that.

    UK Fools - US Fool is way better. With actual analysis and stock tips. UK Fool is just a credit card and savings account advertising platform.

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  • RobbesPierre
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    RobbesPierre said

    I found the article entertaining. We need all sorts of thoughts, ideas and angles at a time like this. This kind of thinking actually contributes to problem solving by forcing people to think outside the box even where it upsets some of them.

    It did raise one major spectre, the possibility of bankruptcy which prompted some very interesting comments from various Fools above.

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  • sandybod
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    sandybod said

    Good poem gave me a few hints on cost saving, I work for a Building Society and although the company is safe, myself and many others have been made redundant as a lot of any profit we've made last year & any we make in the next few years(which incidentally most is poured back into our savers and mortgage holders by trying to remain competitive against banks and give out fair interest rates)the money is going into the FSCS - Finanacial Services Compensation Scheme, which is being used to prop up the banks who went under and as they're owned by the Government now can afford to give out cheap interest rates on lending and give better rates on customers savings, therefore making it harder for banks and buildings societies who kept themselves afloat have to not pass on full rate cuts to mortgage holders! We need to tighten our belts much harder because of having to pay into to FSCS for the next few years. I won't have to worry soon as I leave in a few weeks and am seeking totally different employment after being in Finance for 20 years and have had enough.

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  • robinmarriage
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    robinmarriage said

    ... can't understand why anyone thought it was rubbish !

    How about this : what if the last 20 years' prosperity and energy in Britain, the Thatcher years, was just a dead cat bounce on the decline and fall of the last 100 years ?

    And... anyone seen this : http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9050474362583451279&hl=en

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