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Are your savings safe with Santander?

Cliff D'Arcy
by Lovemoney Staff Cliff D'Arcy on 23 May 2012  |  Comments 8 comments

Santander has seen its credit rating cut. So is it still a safe home for your savings?

Are your savings safe with Santander?

This week ratings agency Moody's Investors Service downgraded the debt issued by 16 Spanish banks by between one and three notches.

Moody's cut the rating of Banco Santander to A3, the same as the Spanish Government's own rating. At the same time, it downgraded the rating of British arm Santander UK to A2.

In other words, Santander's UK arm has a higher credit rating than its parent, which is reassuring for UK savers with cash on deposit at Santander.

What is Santander UK?

The big question is: should British savers worry about the safety of their cash on deposit with Santander UK?

Before answering this question, I should first explain what Santander UK is. It is the umbrella company for a number of British banking brands acquired during the Noughties by Santander. These brands include:

  1. Abbey (formerly Abbey National), bought in 2004 and rebranded as Santander in January 2010;
  2. Alliance & Leicester (A&L), acquired in October 2008 and rebranded at the end of 2010;
  3. The savings arm of Bradford & Bingley (B&B), rescued in September 2008 and rebranded in January 2010;
  4. Cahoot, Abbey's online bank; and
  5. Cater Allen, a private bank owned by Abbey.

While Cater Allen has its own, separate banking licence, the other four brands all share the same bank licence. This is important.

Your savings safety-net

After the near-collapse of 'rogue lenders' Northern Rock in September 2007 and Bradford & Bingley a year later, the Government enhanced the national safety-net for savings.

Since December 2010, the Financial Services Compensation Scheme (FSCS) guarantees all of the first £85,000 of cash savings (including interest) per person per institution. This limit doubles to £170,000 for joint accounts.

However, it's not immediately obvious what an 'institution' is.

Put simply, if a bank has its own, separate banking licence, then it has its own £85,000 protection from the FSCS. However, if two or more banking brands share the same licence, then £85,000 is the overall limit for combined balances across these brands.

Let me show you how this works. Let's say you are a super-saver with three lots of £85,000 in three separate accounts: one each with Santander, Cahoot and Cater Allen. In total, you have £255,000 stashed with Santander UK.

Cater Allen has its own licence, so your entire £85,000 in this account is covered by the FSCS. However, Cahoot and Santander share a licence, so only half (£85,000) of your £170,000 in these two accounts is covered.

Santander is still safe

Santander UK is run as an entirely separate, independent subsidiary from parent company Banco Santander. It raises its own funds in the capital markets and from UK savings deposits, as well as issuing its own UK mortgages and loans.

Santander UK is a UK-regulated entity and, therefore, cannot transfer UK assets to assist its parent company without approval from City regulator the Financial Services Authority (FSA). Of course, it is highly unlikely that the FSA would allow Santander UK to weaken itself in this way in order to boost its parent's balance sheet.

Even so, the only real reassurance in this uncertain world is that provided by the FSCS, because it is backed by the British Government's own AAA credit rating -- the highest in the world.

Banks do go bust

If you don't believe that banks can go bust, just ask British savers in failed Icelandic banks Landsbanki and Kaupthing. When Landsbanki's Icesave arm went bust in October 2008, the UK Government compensated British savers by returning 100% of their savings (and not just the £35,000 limit that applied back then).

However, given that our national debt now stands at more than £1 trillion, the UK Government has a lot less financial firepower to bail out beaten-up banks than it did nearly four years ago.

More on the economy:

How the eurozone crisis affects us

How to survive the eurozone meltdown

UK falls back into recession

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Comments (8)

  • SteveU
    Love rating 0
    SteveU said

    What is the position with an offset mortgage? Is the money in the 'savings pot' included in the calculations for the safety net? I have a near zero balance on my flexi mortgage but don't want the savings pot to be at risk because of savings elsewhere with the Santander Group

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  • meldrewreborn
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    meldrewreborn said

    I might be misraken, but I thought the FSCS was funded by other finacial institutions, so it is they and their customers who bailed out savers in banks that went bust - NOT the UK Government. Perhaps the author would like to check their facts and post a correction if necessary.

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  • MikeGG1
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    MikeGG1 said

    Meldrewreborn

    It is the government who have to fund it because the payments that the institutions make is a levy which goes into government coffers. If no-one goes bust then the government has done very nicely indeed.

    Mike

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  • MikeGG1
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    MikeGG1 said

    SteveU

    Here is an extract from the FSCS website.

    How are offset mortgages dealt with?

    If a deposit account is separate from the mortgage balance, it would be dealt with separately and compensation would be calculated on a gross basis. However, if the deposit account is combined with the mortgage account and operated as one large overdraft, the FSCS would have to treat it as an overdraft and no compensation would be payable. It is important that consumers appreciate the difference between these accounts.

    If the accounts are separate the FSCS would pay compensation up to the limit and the remainder would automatically be set-off against the debt (or in this case mortgage) under insolvency law.

    If your offset mortgage is one account for both the savings element and the loan element then the net balance is calculated. If that is positive then it is added to your other accounts for the £85,000 limit. If it is negative then the compensation would be based on the other accounts only, but you would still owe that negative amount.

    If they are 2 distinct accounts then your savings element would be added to your other accounts to determine the compensation amount. You would still owe the whole of the mortgage element. However, any excess over £85,000 that you didn't get back could be offset from your debt.

    Mike

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  • cpm121
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    cpm121 said

    My advice to everyone, get out of Santander. Get out now. Santander is a Spanish company first and foremost. With Santander in Spain having problems, nearly six million people out of work or nearly 1 in four of the population, who do you think Santander is going to help? When they took over Bradford & Bingley and others, Santander did not pay anything towards compensating the shareholders of those companies. Santander is a company that is every single week in the Sunday newspapers because it betrays the trust of its customers. It may also, I believe, buy off certain regulators so that the judgements do not constantly go against it. Nevertherless. just for the record, Santander is the top three of the most complained about companies in the UK every single year.Thats right, the top three.

    So, my advice, close your Santander bank accounts, deposit accounts, share accounts, whatever. Remember what happened to B&B etc. Only, Santander is not a British company, and their failure to understand the British manners and respect just grates on one. They make profits from the British people and then use all the profits helping to prop up the Spanish economy.

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  • orangecat
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    orangecat said

    Yesterday my wife and I had a statement for 2011/2012 from Santander quoting account numbers and that we had not used up our ISA allowances for this year 2012/2013

    The odd thing about it is we have never ever visited a Santander Bank in our lives or had anything to do with them, or Abbey National, A&L, Bradford & Bingley, so where on earth did they get our address from? Mind you we have enquired from other building societys about ISA'S but not any banks.

    We once had savings with Iceland Landsbanki and what a mess that was,we were lucky to get our savings back, stay clear of Foreign banks based in the U.K Dutch ING, for example, and Spanish Santander,stick to the devil you know?

    orangecat

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  • babyhk
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    babyhk said

    Santander gets a lot of stick but on the whole its interest rates are good and there are lots of high street branches so you can talk one to one with a real person. I have found faults with opening and closing accounts with a lot of banks including Santander but if you persist and log all calls , letters and any other expenses and send in a letter of complaint I have found that the payout which they call a gesture of goodwill is at least £30. Persist and moan to the bank in question, as most people only talk to their friends when things go wrong.

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  • Dave ja vu
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    Dave ja vu said

    You must look at the bigger picture, Spain is broke big time BBBA junk status and now this week thinking about a 40 - 100 Billion Euro IMF bailout,

    They are waiting for figures available 21st June to see just how bad it is. Greece will leave the Euro everyone knows this, Spain hold vast Greek debt and will probably never recover most of it, the IMF have lossed the money they have lent Greece up to date as it will take decades to recover their economy. By this time 2013 next years Greece, Spain and possibly Italy will have left the Euro and be in a bad way. Banco Santander may receive IMF funding through the Spanish government, but the whole of Spain would be force in to a strict Austerity contract which would mean more job losses and cuts, exasperating their situation. Banco Santander would still find it hard to function in a 'Greek' economy.

    Because Santander UK are a big umbrella bank with millions of customers do you really think we could absorb the compensation payouts on top of a Trillion £ plus national debt ? Where do you think the government would find it ? And who really pays - the TAX payer ! directly or indirectly. If you have a Spanish property or a Santander account - get rid fast.

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