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RBS is being too clever by half

Ed Bowsher
by Lovemoney Staff Ed Bowsher on 10 March 2011  |  Comments 14 comments

Steer clear of a new investment product from Royal Bank of Scotland. It sounds good when you first hear about it but the complexity should put most people off.

RBS is being too clever by half

Royal Bank of Scotland has launched a new investment product that aims to give you the best of both worlds. In other words, it’s designed to be safer than investing in conventional shares whilst offering a higher return that cash. The product is called the RBS UK 10% Autocall. Until 17 March, you can only buy it from Barclays Stockbrokers.

So how does it work?

Well, that’s the first problem with this product. It’s complex and hard to understand. At lovemoney.com, we believe that simple products are normally the best option. If you don’t fully understand what you’re buying, you’re more likely to buy something that isn’t appropriate for you and your needs.

Anyway, let me try to explain how it works. Basically, this is a product with a maximum five-year term which may give you a return of up to 10% a year. 

So let’s imagine you buy the Autocall product on 14 March 2011 when the FTSE 100 stands at, say, 6,000 points. (I’m writing this article prior to 14 March.)

If, on 14 March 2013, the FTSE 100 is at 6,000 or above, the certificate will automatically wind up and you’ll get your money back plus 20%. That sounds pretty good. If the Footsie only rises 2% over the course of the next two years, you’ll get a 20% return!

Now let’s imagine that the Footsie is actually lower than 6,000 on 14 March 2013. In that case, your money remains locked away for at least another year. The product is reviewed again on 14 March 2014, and if the Footsie has now gone over 6,000, you’ll get your money back plus 30%.

If the Footsie has fallen over the three-year period, there’s another review in March 2015. If the Footsie is now above 6,000, you’ll get your money back plus 40%.

But what if the Footsie is still below 6,000 in 2015? Then there’s a final review in March 2016 when there are three possible outcomes:

-          You get your money back plus 50% because the Footsie is now finally at or above 6,000

-          You get your money back as long as the Footsie has always closed at or above 60% of the starting level. (60% of 6,000 is 3,600.)

-          You get less than your original investment back. This happens if the Footsie has at any stage over the five year period fallen below 3,600 points.

So let’s look at the pros and cons of this product:

The pros

If the Footsie rises gently over the next few years - say at 2% a year – the Autocall product will give you a better return than a tracker fund which replicated the performance of the Footsie.

You’ll also get some peace of mind in that the chances of you losing money are reduced. But you still could lose money.

The cons

The scenario where you’d lose money is if there was another stock market crash and the Footsie fell below 3,600 points. (Strictly speaking, it’s not 3,600 points, it’s 60% of the starting index level when you bought your Autocall product.) Autocall protects you against modest falls in the stock market – in which case, you get all your money back. But if there’s a big fall in the stock market, you can potentially lose money.

And don’t assume that stock markets can’t fall that much. The Footsie went below 3,600 points in early 2009.

I suspect most people don’t lose sleep over losing 5% or 10% of their money. But they do worry about big crashes where they might lose 40% or 50% of their money. But the Autocall doesn’t give you full protection from those kinds of crashes - the ones people worry about.

What’s more, your money is locked away and you don’t know how long that lock-in period will last. It could be two years or it could be as long as five.

And then there’s the 10% return. It’s good but perhaps not quite as good as it seems at first glance. The return is 10% after one year, but in future years, compounding means that the annual return falls. So after year 5, the annual return is 8.4%. If you look at stock market performance over the last 50 years, stocks and shares have delivered an average real return of around 5.5% a year (including dividends.) If you add in inflation of 2.5%, that’s an average return of around 8% a year. So Autocall is offering a return that is only slightly higher than the long-term average.

And who knows? The stock market might do really well over the next five years and then you wouldn’t get all the profit.

On top of all that, don’t forget that some similar structured products collapsed completely during the financial crisis. Investors did eventually receive compensation but they had a long wait and plenty of stress before that happened. For that reason alone, I’d steer clear of any structured product.

So for me, there’s no way I’d go near this product. It’s too complicated and it doesn’t even offer me 100% protection from a stock market crash. I prefer to have total control over my money and with luck, I may be able to grow my money by more than 8% a year.

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  • buywhenhigh
    Love rating 51
    buywhenhigh said

    That is an absolutely terrible product, how they have the nerve to sell that to customers presumably just brushing over the potential disaster that awaits their capital in 5 years time is beyond me.

    I suppose RBS will keep all the dividends, and IF it hits the payout threshold in any year they will keep all the gains in excess of the 10%. If it fails to ever payout, the customers keep all the losses.

    Where do I sign up NOT!!!!

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  • rpb
    Love rating 26
    rpb said

    Another point, if your description is correct, is that a 50% return over five years is only 8.4% p.a. (compounded, since you can't withdraw your income early and use it elsewhere), not the 10% implied.

    So the more years your money remains stuck the lower the average return.

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  • Mike10613
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    Mike10613 said

    This is why the bankers get the big bonuses, they won't be putting their money into these products. They don't buy low interest ISA's either. They are into funds - more info here, in my Thrifty Thursday blog! http://wp.me/P194MF-4H

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  • jamiecfc1
    Love rating 39
    jamiecfc1 said

    Barclays Stockbrokers? I wouldn't touch them with a bargepole even if they offered me a cast iron 10% return. Hopefully others will do the same and deprive fat Bob and his mates of a bonus, somehow I doubt it. There's always someone willing to invest someone else's cash for a sniff of a fat profit...

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  • Ed Bowsher
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    Ed Bowsher said

    Hi rpb,

    Yes, you're absolutely right. if the product runs for five years, the annual return is 8.4% a year. The longer you're invested, the worse the return. I really should have noticed that. Thanks for highlighting that point. I'll amend the article slightly to make that clear.

    Buywhenhigh,

    Yes, you're right, RBS keeps the dividends and if the stock market soars, RBS keeps any gains above the 10% each year.

    Ed

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  • BrileyLoucan
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    BrileyLoucan said

    Hi,

    Its not correct to say that RBS keeps the dividends and if the stock market soars. The performance of this deposit will be fully hedged by the trading desk, RBS will not be taking naked equity risk. So what they will be left with is a term deposit at a funding cost lower than what they can get in the market for similar term money.

    For example they may be able to raise 2 year money currently at LIBOR + 100bp. If this structure gives them funding once all the equity risk is hedged out at LIBOR + 70bp then it is a good deal for them. The return profile of the deposit will be linked to what they have to pay for the option hedges on this product

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  • sketharaman
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    sketharaman said

    Thanks for demystifying this product. Ever since I went through a stressful experience with a similar product from another financial institution, I've decided to steer clear of products that come with thick prospectuses, like I'm sure AutoCall does. More in http://sketharaman.com/blog/2010/10/25/puzzle-versus-mystery-whos-to-blame-for-the-great-recession/

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  • Ed Bowsher
    Love rating 79
    Ed Bowsher said

    Hi BrileyLoucan,

    "Its not correct to say that RBS keeps the dividends and if the stock market soars."

    Yes, you're right, RBS doesn't get the money. The provider of the equity risk hedge does.

    But I really don't think that's an important distinction.

    The important point is that the investor doesn't get the dividend or the full return if the stock market soars. I don't want to take out a product where my potential profit is capped whilst I could still end up losing a substantial chunk of my investment.

    Ed

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  • cliftonite
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    cliftonite said

    Many thanks to "Poorpensioner" who said

    Posting in reverse order is a mistake!

    Now you read the answer before the question; the subsequent comments before the original posting.

    It has made it far more difficult to follow.

    Please revert to showing postings in the order of posting.

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  • Richmond
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    Richmond said

    Let's face it, banks want money for themselves so that they can use it to make a profit. Nothing wrong with this but just beware.

    This product does look complex and complex products usually disappoint. Personally, I think it far better to have access to money that could be needed in an emergency rather than to lock it away for years to come.

    What happens, I ask myself, if the money is needed before the payout date? Either you cannot recover it or there are formidable penalties.

    The Royal Bank of Scotland has hardly distinguished itself in recent years.

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  • fnm500
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    fnm500 said

    Not saying I'd invest in this as I don't want to expose myself to more stock market risk (I have a private sector job, so already am sufficiently exposed), but this article is not very balanced in terms of the shortcomings of the alternatives, i.e. an Index Tracker.

    First of all, The Fool always advocates investing in the stock market for the long term. During the early days of the financial crisis, we were never advised to sell. So why is it such a problem if your money is now locked up for 6 years in a product like this? Isn't the Motley Fool mantra to always buy and hold?

    Second, say the market does drop by 40% or more and it never recovers. Your capital is reduced in line with the % drop. The author thinks this isn't a good deal. Well, what about the simple Index Tracker then? To think that the 2-3% dividends would make you feel any better when the market has crashed 40% is clutching at straws.

    So once the product matures, you'd get less than what you invested if the market never recovers to its initial level, but your investment in a tracker would also be below water. So you could simply take the proceeds from this product and re-invest it into a tracker at that point. Isn't buying low and selling high always better?

    I do agree with the counter party risk. That to my mind is a deal breaker. The rest of the arguments put forward by the author aren't as water tight.

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  • diana6
    Love rating 3
    diana6 said

    Please go back to posting latest comments last. The way this is posted is a terrible idea and should be abandoned immediately.

    I don't know why people just can't leave well alone! If it ain't broke, please don't fix it!

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  • Ed Bowsher
    Love rating 79
    Ed Bowsher said

    Hi fmn500,

    Yes, The Motley Fool has always been a big fan of index tracker funds. lovemoney.com is now an independent site, and I don't think we have a particular 'house view' on the matter, but speaking personally, I remain a big fan of index trackers and investing for the long-term.

    I highlighted the risk of losing money in this product because structured products such as these are often marketed as relatively safe products when, in reality, they're not.

    Yes, there's a risk that I'll lose money with a tracker but I think that risk is better understood than with a structured product.

    Yes, investing for the long-term is good. But I still want to have the flexibility to change my mind and move my investment elsewhere at any time. And when the good times come, I want to get all the profit.

    With Autocall, I won't get all the profits if the stock market performs very strongly, and I don't have the power to reallocate my investments if I so choose. Yet I still have risk. It doesn't seem a sensible approach.

    If you're very risk-averse, put all your money in cash. If you're very risk-tolerant, stick it all in a tracker. If you're somewhere in between, go 50/50 or whatever proportions suit your attitude to risk, your age and your financial position overall.

    If you're unsure, it might be worth consulting a good financial planner or IFA.

    Regards,

    Ed

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  • martin2406
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    martin2406 said

    Invest your money 50/50 in cash / stock market? So if you achieve the average stock mkt returns of around 8%, (that average is now actually less than this) you get 4%, plus whatever measly % you get with the cash, say 6%. With the average autocall, you get 10 - 12%. (OK, a bit less with compounding if they dont pay out in yr 1)

    Of Course the stock market may shoot up, in which case you could lose out - but check out how often its returned in excess of 8.4% pa over a 5 year period. Not many.

    Equally, the stock market could crash by over 50%. A fat tail event. Doesnt happen very often, but if it does you lose your money just the same if its invested in your precious index tracker.

    A much more likely possibility is that the market falls by between 1 and 50%. In which case you are better off with the autocall. No returns but no capital losses either.

    Not the RBS ones, but some autocalls can also be defensive, which means the stock market can fall and you can still make the 10% + returns. And they can be bought on the grey market at various prices.

    Are autocallables the best product in the world? No. The best product in the world a pair of 20/20 hindsight glasses & guess what, there's no such thing (though I suspect Warrenn Buffet might have a pair stashed away somewhere). But autocalls dont deserve the hate they're getting on this site! And sorry - 10% pa and turns into an index tracker if the market falls over 50% is NOT complicated!

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