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I'm sick of propping up the banks

Harvey Jones
by Lovemoney Staff Harvey Jones on 04 November 2009  |  Comments 11 comments

Harvey Jones is sick and tired of propping up the banks. Here, he looks at what the Government's latest move means for you.

If you had £39bn to spend, I bet you wouldn't lavish it on Royal Bank of Scotland and Lloyds Banking Group.

Especially if you had already spent £37bn to prop up the banks this time last year, and were also underpinning RBS's toxic assets to the tune of £282bn.

But that's exactly what your taxes have been spent on. Congratulations! Your family has now spent £4,350 and all it got was these two lousy banks. And for all we know, there may be further bills down the line.

Or you could have had this...

For that money you could have bought two or three foreign holidays, the front end of a new family car, or 87 curries at £50 a pop, but no, you ended up with RBS and Lloyds instead. That's what happens when Chancellor Alistair Darling spends money on your behalf.

And since most of this spending will be financed by state borrowing, our reward for the biggest banking bailout in history will be vicious public spending cuts and tax increases.

Yup, it's a rotten deal.

High stakes

So what else are we getting for our money? First, we get an 84% stake in RBS and 43% in Lloyds. If stock markets continue to recover, we might eventually get some of our money back (providing politicians don't botch the sell-off).

Total taxpayer exposure to toxic banking debts has been cut by a theoretical £300bn, now that Lloyds has pulled out of the Asset Protection Scheme, and RBS has reduced its reliance. So that's something.

It took a European to do it

We have also got a hotchpotch of measures design to break up the big banks and drive competition in the sector.

We certainly need it, because in recent months the traffic has all been in the other direction. Last autumn's shotgun wedding between Lloyds TSB and HBOS, Santander's forced marriage of Abbey, Alliance & Leicester and Bradford & Bingley, and Barclays' casual pick up of Standard Life Bank has made the banks even less competitive than before.

Lloyds and RBS will also have to sell off chunks of their businesses and branch networks, equivalent to around 10% of the UK retail banking market. Big boys such as Barclays and HSBC are banned from buying, in the hope that hungry new competitors will snap them up.

But with the government backing the toxic two with endless piles of taxpayer cash, new entrants will find themselves at a serious competitive disadvantage.

And even this mild attempt to boost competition wasn't the work of Alistair Darling, but an EU competition ruling.

Plus there is no guarantee that the shake-up will get affordable credit flowing to businesses and individuals again, or reverse the trend towards higher charges, cautious lending and the death of free current account banking.

Supermarkets, but super banks?

More competition should herald a better deal for the consumer, but I wish I could be more welcoming towards mooted new banking players such as the supermarkets and Virgin Money.

It would be great if they could fight back against sneaky banking complexity by launching simple, well-priced products, but will they treat their customers any more fairly in the longer run?

There is something about banking that encourages businesses to cream their customers. It doesn't happen in, say, retail. Tesco doesn't slap on a hidden 2% charge on milk chocolate HobNobs when you reach the till, or restrict buy-one-get-one-free discounts to people with squeaky clean credit records. But once retailers behave more like banks, they might struggle to resist temptation.

And do we really want the big supermarkets to control the even more of our lives than they already do?

A banker's life for me

The surprise announcement was that RBS and Lloyds will be banned from paying cash bonuses to employees earning more than £39,000 in 2009, and directors until 2012. But they can receive shares instead.

Sadly, it is a mere political gesture, a bit of blood for the crowds, and bankers have no doubt already figured clever schemes to get around it, probably by ramping up basic salaries instead.

And it will do nothing to curb the bonus frenzy at their banking rivals. Banking is an international business, and if bonuses are squeezed in one country, they will only bubble up in another, or offshore. Only sustained international cooperation will solve that problem. Like world peace, I'm all for it, but it don't expect it to happen.  

At the very least we should have a windfall tax on banking bonuses. It won't plug the gaping hole they have blown in our nation's finances, but the howls of pain might make us feel a little bit better.

But I don't think Gordon Brown or Alistair Darling are brave enough to stand up to the banks. This is hardly surprising, bankers are bigger and brighter than any politician, and only marginally less popular.

So now it's up to you

The first (and most expensive) lesson of the credit crunch was that the banks are too big to fail. Now it seems they are too big to tax or regulate in any meaningful way.

It has been shocking to see banks scurry for taxpayer protection during the crunch, then continue banking fat profits, pocketing obscene bonuses and ripping off their customers as if nothing had happened.

But there is one thing you can do. If fresh blood does enter the banking sector, you should do your best to support it, rather than sticking with your tried and untrustworthy bank.

The Government has let bankers off the hook. Don't let your apathy allow them to make a completely clean getaway.

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>  Check out Ed Bowsher's blog post - EU should have gone for bigger break-up

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Comments (11)

  • um5000
    Love rating 1
    um5000 said

    is nobody a bit concerned that the best bits of the companies mentioned are being sold off, leaving the taxpayer with just the toxic assets and loss making rubbish that's left?

    and why didn't the EU speak up at the outset of the big mergers? isn't that what the MMC does?

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  • billyboy121
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    billyboy121 said

    I'm starting to come round to the idea that if you can't beat them, join them. This government is clearly not going to do anything of any consequence to change the way that our banking systems operate, so may as well swallow my pride/principles and just go and work for the banks and try to get back some of the tax I'm going to have to pay to support their bad debt in the coming years 

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  • LateDeveloper
    Love rating 22
    LateDeveloper said

    Why would the Government even bother to defend the general public, it is in their interest to get the tax payers money back as fast as possible, and if this means letting the banks ride rough shod over its customers, so what.

    After all there is competions isn't there, and customers can easily switch bank accounts, no matter what there financial status :S

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  • eLJay
    Love rating 76
    eLJay said

    I think lots of bank practices are very dubious - why should anyone be paying fees for simply filling in and form to see if they can have a mortgage - they are looking for your business and make a damn good return on it. It all needs simplifying - it's all far too archaic.

    Having said that I looked to buy a house recently and found it has a tithe on it - that's just medieval (or before medieval), I decided to look outside the tithe boundary.

    This country needs kicking into the 20th century before it can even reach the 21st.

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  • Ed Bowsher
    Love rating 79
    Ed Bowsher said

    'is nobody a bit concerned that the best bits of the companies mentioned are being sold off, leaving the taxpayer with just the toxic assets and loss making rubbish that's left?'

    That's what's happening with Northern Rock, but it's not really the situation with Lloyds and RBS. Lloyds and RBS will still have plenty of 'good stuff' after the disposals. The disposals are being driven by competition concerns not any bad bank/good bank issues.

    and why didn't the EU speak up at the outset of the big mergers? isn't that what the MMC does?

    Well, Lloyds/HBOS was done in a rush in the middle of a financial crisis. There was no time for the competition commission or the EU to stick their oar in. Perhaps you could argue that the competition regulator was too soft when it allowed the RBS/Natwest takeover to happen in '99. Thing is, world has changed since then and I think there's a greater understanding now of the dangers of having a heavily concentrated banking sector.

    Ed

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  • MissingOz
    Love rating 8
    MissingOz said

    Whaddya mean, you're sick of propping up the banks?

    With the parlous state of the UK government balance sheet, it is surely your patriotic duty to rush straight out and open a current account with RBS, or that fine institution Lloyds.

    I'd even go so far as to suggest you buy as many of their products as you can, even if you don't need them - eg car insurance if you haven't got a car.

    How else are RBS et al going to improve their balance sheets? The money is only coming from one place - Joe Public - so the sooner everyone wises up, and knuckles down, the better.

    If the banks can't make obscene profits, the government doesn't get billions in tax; schools and hospitals close; jobseekers won't get JSA...we can't send in the bailliffs because they work for RBS et al...conflict of interest you see

    The alternative, an economy not totally dependant on credit, doesn't even bear thinking about - Britain could be in "negative growth" for decades...and that's a bad outlook for banks, corporations and politicians...the people who really run UK plc...

    (Tongue firmly in cheek)

    MO

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  • ukstud500
    Love rating 1
    ukstud500 said

    i have just been charged £12 for going 73p overdrawn for 2 days by LLoyds bank...welcome to rip off Britain...

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  • jonnie2thumbs
    Love rating 90
    jonnie2thumbs said

    the merging of state and corporate power is called fascism (according to Mussolini - who should know).

    Welcome to fascist Britain, never mind rip-off Britain

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  • Chorlton1
    Love rating 61
    Chorlton1 said

    And since most of this spending will be financed by state borrowing, our reward for the biggest banking bailout in history will be vicious public spending cuts and tax increases.

    If the public spending cuts were carried out in the right places maybe Councils would get back to basic and eliminate all the pointless bean counter jobworths they have created and money making rackets that change ordinary citizens into criminals. There is plenty of opportunity to get better value for money out of the public sector without cutting back on valuable assets such as nurses and teachers try looking higher up the chain.

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  • avmelissa
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    avmelissa said

    I feel a French Revolution coming on......

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  • Gavster
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    Gavster said

    £50? Where do you buy your curries from...?

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