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Credit card provider `tortured' customer

Robert Powell
by Lovemoney Staff Robert Powell on 12 March 2011  |  Comments 14 comments

A judge has accused MBNA of `torturing' a customer with repeated phone calls demanding he pay his credit card bill. Robert Powell takes a closer look at the case...

Credit card provider `tortured' customer

Paying credit card bills can often be torturous. But not paying them is usually worse.

It certainly was for one MBNA customer who was said to have been tortured by the lender after a dispute over his credit card bill ended in a court case.

A judge ruled that the borrower was “hounded” by both MBNA and the debt collectors Link Financial in calls that were described as “a form of torture, oppressively frequent in amount and often without attribution to an identifiable number”.

Ultimately MBNA customer, Keith Harrison, had his debt of £20,270 written off by High Court judge Nicholas Chambers QC at Mold in North Wales.

But this judgement was not reached solely because of the frequent calls made to Mr Harrison...

Boom years

The court case was actually started by the borrower who contended that MBNA had never sent him the necessary terms and conditions when he applied for the account or when he was sent the card. MBNA said it would have done so but could not prove to the court that it did on this occasion.

As a result the judge ordered that the outstanding debt owed by Mr Harrison was to be written off. A total of £20,270.

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MBNA's downfall in this case stems right back from the late noughties credit boom years when the bank sent out a mailshot to five million people advertising its Platinum credit card. Mr Harrison received one of these mailshots, applied for the card and was promptly accepted. But after getting into financial difficulties in 2007 he began to run up a large debt and stopped making any repayments.

MBNA argued that it continually tried to contact Mr Harrison to establish why repayments had stopped, but was ultimately unable to have “meaningful dialogue” with its customer.

Rising interest rates and default charges quickly spiralled out of control on Mr Harrison’s card before he entered into a court case with the bank over the apparent lack of any terms and conditions.

Be prepared

I do feel a degree of sympathy for MBNA in this case. After all, we all know how credit cards work – if you borrow the money, you’re going to have to pay it back at sometime, with interest. To coin an old phrase; buy the ticket – take the ride.

But after looking through the hearing notes for this court case it seems that this dispute was less a battle between guilty and innocent and more a fight between the careless and careful.

Mr Harrison had photocopied, filed and annotated all the correspondence between himself and MBNA stretching right back to when he received the very first mailshot in 1998. It was this fact that helped the judge to decide that if MBNA had (as it claimed) sent through terms and conditions, Mr Harrison would certainly have kept them.

On the other side, MBNA’s defence of the charges was littered with small, but important inaccuracies. A leaflet titled ‘terms and conditions’ did not contain sufficient information, important facts about repayments were inaccurate and the bank claimed to send a default notice to Mr Harrison business class when in fact it was sent second class.

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The impression I get is that this case really could have gone either way, but it was Mr Harrison’s organised and thorough manner that swung it and saw him walk away £20,270 better off.

So to help you fight back against the banks trying to pull a fast one, I’m going to go over a few common card rip-offs and explain how to avoid them:

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Rate-jacking is when your lender ups the interest rate on your credit card – sometimes by up to 10%. This can turn a previously competitively priced account into a major rip-off over night. But you can fight back!

New rules mean that credit card providers must give you 60 days to accept or reject rate hikes. If you reject them, you’ll have to either pay off the whole balance in one lump sum or clear it within a ‘reasonable period’ at your existing rate. One way you can do this is to take out a 0% balance transfer card and cut the interest on your outstanding debt; Barclaycard is currently offering a whopping 18 months at 0% on balance transfers (2.9% fee).

It’s also worth mentioning that credit card providers aren’t allowed to up your APR within the first 12 months of the account opening unless they have specified otherwise in the terms and conditions. So make sure you check all the small print and keep a copy when you apply for any card!

Read The secret trick you can use against your credit card provider to find out more.

PPI mis-selling

The mis-selling of payment protection insurance (PPI) was the most frequent complaint made to the Financial Ombudsman Service in the second half of 2010. PPI is designed to cover loan, card and insurance payments in the case of sickness or unemployment and is no bad thing, if you need it that is! But for a while now, lenders have been sneaking in expensive PPI plans with loans and credit cards.

Fortunately, after a crackdown by the FSA, most firms now make it clear that PPI is optional and will offer refunds if a PPI plan has been mis-sold. But you should still be careful to check all the small print any time you take out a new card, loan or insurance policy to make sure the provider hasn’t put in anything you didn’t ask for.

Rachel Wait explains how negative order of payment works and how to avoid it.

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The government actually banned the sneaky credit card trick, negative order of payment, earlier this year (where your cheapest debts are paid off first, leaving your most expensive debts to rack up interest). However, some banks including  HSBC, MBNA, Lloyds and Virgin are still not completely playing ball.

To read more about this and check what debt the repayments on your card will clear first, head to Credit cards than bend the rules, which gives a concise breakdown of the policies operated by all the major card providers.

You can also find out about 16 other sneaky scams that credit card companies pull in Beware these 19 credit card tricks.

And to get some more tips on fighting back against financial rip-offs read our guide to complaining and getting your way.

What do you think?

Should Mr Harrison have had his debt wiped out by MBNA? Or was it right to ‘hound’ him with calls in order to recover its money?

Let us know what you think in the comment box below.

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Comments (14)

  • Ken Rich
    Love rating 15
    Ken Rich said

    This man must be a prize prat. Everyone knows that if you have debts on a credit card you have to repay them. Now the conscientious members of the public have got to pay extra to cover this blokes debts.

    The result also encourages others to be selfish.

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  • charles125
    Love rating 53
    charles125 said

    Yes, absolutely, and very good job too. Serves MBNA jolly right.

    I've been very seriously harassed both over the phone and in writing by Mercers of Barclaycard and Lloyds TSB and their 'solicitor' SCM debt collection agency.

    I'd be very interested in the reponse of County Court judges to this torturing harassment!

    While it is legal and proper for any financial company to take 'reasonable' steps to reclaim missed payments or accounts where the terms and conditions have been breached, you are entitled firstly to write to them and state that they may only communicate in writing and secondly that you revoke the right of access to your property for eg debt collectors or bailiffs without a warrant.

    It is also sensible to request a copy of your signed loan/credit agreement from them before they take any further debt collecting measures. If they cannot produce this, it is much more difficult for them, possibly impossible (depending when the agreement was 'signed') to claim anything in County Court.

    Harassing phone calls more than once daily, at early or late hours, especially on weekends or worse on Sundays and using untraceable phone numbers to call you may all influence any County Court case VERY badly against the credit company!

    Keep a record of phone calls, harassing documents and such-like. When you ask a company to put something in writing over the phone and they refuse, you can be sure they are acting illegally.

    Sadly, acting immorally and often illegally seems remarkably common by these companies these days.

    Make a formal complaint to the company - their likely response will be that the complaint is NOT upheld, at which point write to the Financial Ombudsman Service enclosing your original complaint and their response.

    Do not bother with OFT or the FSA, neither of whom will help.

    If you cannot afford repayments, and have assets such as house equity; or a partner earning, you will need to write to each credit company and ask for a voluntary payment agreement and request interest and charges be stopped. Send in cards cut in half, and cancel direct debits over which you have no control. Set up monthly standing orders (obtain account details by phoning customer service if not found online) for the amount you CAN afford to pay. Use eg free CCCS budget and income sheets and a covering note/ letter re financial difficulties.

    if you do not have a partner earning or a share in a house etc, free charities like CCCS will deal with all of the credit companies and you can set up a single monthly payment which CCCS will distribute to the card companies, and negotiate with them on your behalf. You will still need to return cards and cancel direct debits to the card companies.

    As for KR, the REAL world is people running up card debts they cannot afford to repay at hugely exorbitant interest rates accrued in the most part by ordinary daily living expenses. If KR does not know, 5 million UK people have to choose between heating and eating, and some carry a light bulb around the house as they cannot afford to light more than one room at a time. . .

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  • hometime hubby
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    hometime hubby said

    It's strange and peculiar how someone can be so thorough and maintain such detailed and complete records (not withstanding the fact that he could easily have just thrown away the documentation that MBNA sent him intentionally before or indeed after this trial began) could run up over £20k worth of debt and have such careless money management skills.

    No company can ever accurately prove that anything was ever sent in the post, or indeed received.

    Ridiculous verdict.

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  • Steviebaby1959
    Love rating 28
    Steviebaby1959 said

    This man was indeed lucky, obviously, by keeping up with his document administration of telephone calls, letters, et al, he was able to prove in court these unlawful practices. I'm sure others are less well trained and probably wouldn't even bother. However, it makes me smile that he never offered to make a small ''donation'' to this company on a monthly basis at all. In court a judge will rule that if you ARE paying an amount on a regular basis, even if it is a small token amount, at least it stands you in good stead. If you become arrogant and refuse to pay them a penny then they do have the upper hand.

    There are numerous laws for customers rights, in tales of ''torture''. The Administration of Justice Act 1985, Protection from Harassment Act 1997 and Consumer Credit Act 2006 are definately there to protect and assist folks in debt and the likely aftermath of debt collectors and credit card companies whose sneaky tricks try and evade the law in obtaining your repayments, use them.....

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  • EastExpert
    Love rating 30
    EastExpert said

    I think the bank have some justice behind their actions, but they should have acted within rules.

    In my world, Mr Harrison still owes the money and just got lucky... otherwise everybody who has some balls to stand up firm would have their debts erased - where the other people, law-abiding, would have to deprive themseves of essentials to pay off the debt.

    However, it's wrong for the bank or collectors to harass people. Rules are there for a reason. Letters are supposed to invite the borrower for dialogue, not make their life living hell. In my world, Collector agencies who are basically thugs buying out debts should be made totally illegal.

    There is a mechanism - courts and bailiffs of law - who should deal with debtors not wanting any dialogue. The debtors that do want the dialogue should be treated with respect.

    And yes, technicalities like "naw you sent the T&C's 2nd class, not 1st class" should never lead the guilty off the hook. After all, the law is only approximation of the Ultimate Justice which should always be kept visible when deciding the outcome of deeds like this one.

    Still I don't feel bad about the outcome of this matter. I believe if Mr Harrison was really that badly harassed, he well deserves the compensation (which is what writing his debt off really is in this case) - so that banks would think again before harassing another customer.

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  • Paul.
    Love rating 1
    Paul. said

    What people dont realise and what was proven in the Court room was that Keith had repaid £77k over £72k borrowing, so in capital terms the debt was repaid.

    The court considered the fairness of the conduct, along with the statutory breaches, and considered that there was such a serious breach of the Consumer Credit Act 1974 that only a discharge of the debt would be the right remedy.

    Furthermore, when we look at rulings such as Rank vs Hepple, HHJ Hague C reduced a debt from £5000 to £500 just because an agreement failed to state clearly an accelerated payment clause, so on balance, this decision is right

    Sadly, those commenting against Keith do not know the half of the story, and maybe if they did, their views would be less hostile.

    However, Keith never refused to Pay MBNA, or link for that matter, and it is very difficulty to negotiate with a party who refuses to listen, and refuses to accept payments from you unless they are the actual contractual payments

    Oh and not to mention when they found out keith was in financail difficulty his interest rate was increased to a whopping 39% if my memory serves me correctly

    But it is alos the telephone harrassment that is disgraceful, when this mans mother is gravely ill and he is waiting for a call from the hospital while he is at home resting in between visits, he was recieving calls from withheld numbers and when he explained the situation that his mum was ill in hospital and he wanted them to cease calling with withheld numbers they increased the call frequency

    Oh and on a final note, in Court Link denied even using the number that had been calling Keith

    At lunch a call was made to that number from the Court restaurant and it turned out that someone had told a porkie pie as it WAS Links number

    So all in all i think this was the right result.

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  • culluding-fool
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    culluding-fool said

    [Off Topic] Is there any way I can get the comments back in forward order? I hate reading backwards, I like to follow the story.

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  • andi53
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    andi53 said

    I know how easy it is for what was very modest debts that my husband and I had when I was taken seriously ill to go from that to a similar amount of this gentleman in less than a year. We tried to negotiate with everyone and give them reasonable and reqular payments but no matter what we did the relentless barrage of phone calls and letters and interest on intered on penelty on interest on penelty just would not stop. I was lying on what I thought was going to be my death bed having had surgery for terminal cancer stitched up from breast bone to groin having had a substantial part of my innards removed with inoperable tumours in my liver and lungs in absolute agony uable to move even to the loo without being carried and unable to control any bodly function, obviously my husband had to leave my side occassionally to get food, fetch morphine prescriptions etc. without a word of a lie at my lowest point if I could have reached what morphone was there whilst he was gone I would have overdosed and ended the torment of both the cancer and those phone calls for both of us.

    We had all our paperwork and with me in agony and near hysteria in desperation we contacted a local government debt counciling service. My dear husband dutiffully carried me to our battered old car and thence wheeled me through the cobbled streets of our local town to the office in the wheel chair that my kids had clubed together and bought me cheep on ebay. The debt councilor was marvelous but it even took her 6 months to get the breaks on the harrassement, interest and penelty that was rising faster than an interplanatar rocket.

    I am still battling to stay alive, chemo has taken it;s toll on the inoperable tumours, it's taken it's toll on my husband and I too. We have both gone from active hard working people to being frail both emolionally and physically. He hides his pain when he's tending to me and tries to be chearful but I see the sadness in his eyes that he cannot hide as he holds my hand knowing that each tretment is a little less sucessful than the last and that when we go for my next test results at the end of this month he is going to have to hear it funally said out loud that there is nothing more to be done.

    We made agreements with all the small debts which had grown to huge debts with all the charges and have stuck to every one but we still get a degree of harrassment. I worry about the future, will my brave family end up homeless when I'm gone, probably but there is nothing we can do that will make any difference. If I can battle on at least until the last of the kids has finished there education I will. The doctors gave me two years at diagnosis and initial surgery that was 5 years ago now and I need to hold out another 5 years to achiece my goal to see the last of the kids graduated, if I fail it won't be for the want of trying.

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  • CuNNaXXa
    Love rating 362
    CuNNaXXa said

    When my mother and stepfather were getting divorced, he left her with debt. The bank, LloydsTSB, jumped on the bandwagon by telling my mother that she didn't amalgamate all her debts into one, they would put a County Court Judgement on her file, and that she would lose her house.

    Simple threats like this are why the judge probably decided to allow this idiot off with his £20 grand debt. Banks are known to be heavy handed, more so in hardship cases, and they need to be brought back into line.

    I am not saying this guy should have got away with his liability, but that the way the liability is treated can be contemptable. Constant hounding is a common cause of complaint.

    Maybe now, other financial institutions will take note, and treat their customers a little better. A financial setup is supposed to be a partnership, and not simply exploitation.

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  • The Bank Manager
    Love rating 72
    The Bank Manager said

    Er, Robert... you mean tortuous when you state 'Paying credit card bills can often be torturous'. Lose the 'r'.

    The thing with Mr Harrison, is that if he had received an appropriate T's & C's letter, did his Barrister suggest he should mis-file it, since that would assist his case? Hmmm!

    I get what you're saying Robert, that if Mr Harrison applied for the card, he knew - without any shadow of a doubt - that he would have to effect repayments, as to not do so is tantamount to theft and by effecting some repayments during the course of using the card (during the 'good years'), he set a precedent to acknowledging his need to repay.

    That he got into financial difficulties and stopped paying is not a good enough argument, but MBNA 'cocked-up' by hounding the poor chap, instead of trying to understand his circumstances and negotiate terms and/or a suitable timeframe to repay.

    Hey MBNA, get this newsflash - a little bit of something, is better than a whole load of NOTHING.

    He's a lucky individual to have the debt Written Off, but will MBNA place a Default on his Credit History for the next 6 years (out of spite)????

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  • onthecomputer
    Love rating 80
    onthecomputer said

    ...and guess how t hey will recoup the money - suckers like me who pay my bills. Mr Harrison should have paid his bills he had the goods - they were right to hound him, you owe you pay - I have no sympathy for people who run up debts - bet he had luxury good and holidays on that card. Now mugs who pay will have to cover his costs.. the judge is wrong this encourages those who cant pay to get a card and use it.. disgraceful!!!!

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  • charles125
    Love rating 53
    charles125 said

    The average debt for someone on £15000 per year before deductions is over £15000

    Am reposting this as a few adverse comments about running up debts people 'can't' afford :- the REAL world is people running up card debts they cannot afford to repay at hugely exorbitant interest rates accrued in the most part by ordinary daily living expenses.

    5 million UK people have to choose between heating and eating, and some carry a light bulb around the house as they cannot afford to light more than one room at a time. . .

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  • eLJay
    Love rating 76
    eLJay said

    A good article, I had a credit card that when I tried to invoke the PPI they told me I had to contact the Halifax as they provided the cover. Not worth the paper it isn't printed on and your better off using the money to pay off the card. Or like this man, take them to court as they cannot prove you received the terms and conditions.

    Credit cards are a rip off if you don't pay them off, and people get houses repossessed if they cannot get through to a decent judge. Yes he had paid them more than he had borrowed, but they are driven by profit and borrowing on much lower rates, the rates will be high because you are a greater risk. Moral, save and use your own money as has been detailed here before. Also when are debit card users going to get the same protection that credit card users have? The law seems to want you to borrow.

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  • wh666-666
    Love rating 4
    wh666-666 said

    One case maybe where MNBA were right ....

    However, doesnt change the fact they are a terrible card provider especially since bank of america took them over.

    I had my own horror story with MNBA, used to have two cards with them and every month, I would call up, pay over half the bill on both cards.

    One time, they called and said a card hadnt been paid, turned out, they put two payments on one card and ignored the other, they waived the fee once.

    After a while though, i started getting calls saying cards had been unpaid. When asking for my statements to be sent, turns out each time I called up, paying off my cards, every single month, they had put two payments on one card. They refused to even listen to me and got door knockers.

    Had to take out a small loan, just to pay them off immediately and close both accounts. Terrible admin/customer service. Really unfair that it affected my credit score as well, as I did make the payments.

    So although the customer was wrong, im glad someone stuck it to MNBA as they are vile pigs.

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