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Cut their benefits and force them to work!

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by Lovemoney Staff John Fitzsimons on 17 November 2010  |  Comments 39 comments

The Government has proposed a radical shake-up of the welfare system. We look at the changes, and what they may mean for you.

Cut their benefits and force them to work!

The welfare state is set to undergo a radical change, with the Coalition Government determined to redress the balance so that being in work always pays. Last week, the Department for Work and Pensions minister Iain Duncan Smith unveiled his proposals for adapting how the benefits system in the UK works.

Effectively he stood up and said: "Cut their benefits and force them to work!"

At least, that's the way it was spun in the media. Today, I'd like to go behind this headline and find out what is actually going on. Why is the Government doing this? And, most importantly, what does it mean for you?

The problem with benefits

The Government believes that the existing benefit system is badly unbalanced, effectively serving as a disincentive for those currently unemployed to get back into work. It also costs the nation a small fortune, accounting for a third of all public spending, the costs having rocketed by 45% over the past decade.

There is also an issue of complexity – there are simply dozens of different forms of benefit available, all with different qualifying criteria. The whole thing is a bit of a mess.

The Universal Credit

The Government’s big idea is to instead launch a Universal Credit, a single welfare safety net rather than the many smaller nets currently in place. Duncan Smith plans to consolidate the existing benefits (including jobseekers allowance, housing benefit and income support) into a single universal payment.

The payment would be paid monthly rather than fortnightly, a move which the Government argues will encourage more ‘personal responsibility’. However, the big changes are not so much about the credit itself, but the many reasons in place for taking it away from claimants.

You WILL go to work!

One of the (many) criticisms of the existing benefit arrangements is that it’s too easy to get away with claiming them, even if you have no intention of ever going to work. In other words, we are all subsidising the bone idle and lazy.

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Under the new plans, that will certainly not be the case. A sliding scale of sanctions will be in place for those that try to play the system. Those who fail to prepare for work, where required, may lose all of their entitlement until they comply, while a failure to seek employment (or at least be available for work) will result in the loss of benefits for between a month and three months, depending on whether this is a first or second ‘offence’.

The most serious offenders, those who fail to accept reasonable job offers could then lose the credit for a fixed term of three months, though this could rise to as much as three years if they consistently breach the conditions of the credit.

The emphasis is very much that if you’re fit to work, you will do so!

The criticisms

I think you’d be hard pressed to find anyone who doesn’t agree with the aims of the changes. There are an awful lot of Brits out there who are able (and in most cases, actually want) to work. And anything which gets them back out there, earning has to be a good thing. However, there have been a number of criticisms of the plans, from a wide variety of groups.

Relying on the internet

One is a traditional complaint about Government programmes over the past few years – the reliance on technology.

The Universal Credit system will be administered online, with people expected to make claims and check their payments via the internet, despite the fact that even the Government acknowledges around 1.5 million unemployed Brits do not currently have internet access.

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There’s a pretty big risk relying on technology in this way – the previous administration’s attempts to utilise computers for centralising our health information cost a fortune and never actually came to fruition, so there's plenty of scope for things to go horribly wrong and end up well over budget. There may also be data protection issues.

A lack of jobs

Of course, such a scheme only works if there are jobs for the unemployed to go into. And as yet there hasn’t been a huge amount of talk about just how those jobs will be created. Indeed, the Government’s own cuts will lead to millions of jobs actually disappearing both within the public and private sector.

Some concrete support for new businesses would be welcome if these plans are to actually help.

A misuse of labour

Critics have also pointed out that forcing an unemployed engineer or accountant to sweep the streets in order to keep their benefit payments is a bit daft.

Personally I’m torn on this one. Obviously, there are better things that capable workers could be made to do than clean up a bit of graffiti alongside the local hoodlums doing community service, but at the same time getting back into the working habit and restoring a bit of community pride can’t be a bad thing.

Playing the long game

However, it’s worth remembering that it will be some time before we see the results of these changes. It will be 2013 at least before the Universal Credit comes in for new claimants, and another couple of years before existing claimants will be completely migrated over.

But the introduction of the new system is only the start – it will be years, possibly a good decade, before we can properly judge how effective the scheme has been in both cutting our welfare costs and returning people to the workforce.

Indeed, in the short term, there will be the costs of setting up the system, running alongside the existing benefits programme, to consider.

Will it work?

Only time will tell if the Universal Credit makes a difference. The fact that Duncan Smith had been proposing such an idea for some time, based on the research of his own think tank, the Centre for Social Justice, even before he was appointed minister gives me some faith that the sums have not simply been drawn up on the back of a fag packet, which is not always the case.

However, on its own, it will not make much difference. The onus is very much on the Government to do something tangible to increase the number of jobs in the private sector now that the public sector is being shrunk.

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  • i-rhino
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    i-rhino said

    This is one of the laziest, shoddiest pieces if journalism I have seen in a while. Yes the 'benefit' bill is 1/3 of all government spening but the benefits part of that is a small percentage. The pension bill accounts for 50% of the bill and are we saying that pensioners are work shy dodgers who require being forced to work?

    Secondly, yes, again, the 'benefit' bill has gone up under labour by the amount quoted but since labour did such a good job investing in the NHS we are all living much longer which means of course that we claim pensions for longer and, hey presto, the benifit bill goes up.

    If you are going to spout your politics as fact then please at least get the basics right.

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  • c3menzies
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    c3menzies said

    I think that a significant proportion of the benefit bill also goes to people who are working, but whose pay is low. Rather than assuming that everyone rushes down to the jobcentre to claim, I know several young people who borrow from the bank of Mum rather than be seen dead claiming benefit. It's not as easy as that - but not to worry the tabloids won't be ranting about benefit scroungers today when they've got a much more newsworthy couple to pursue

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  • easygoing
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    easygoing said

    I really don't see the point of this article at all. I think that 'journalists' on this site should keep their politics away from here. The benefits system became complicated because a simple system will always mean that some deserving people get left out. Attempts to fix this make the system more flexible but more open to abuse. This will happen with the new system eventually. 

    The constant attack on the weaker and poorer in our society is shameful. The latest removal of legal aid, which by the way was already very hard to get, means that justice will cease to exist for abandoned wives and those unfairly treated. 

    This government seems to be heading us back into the 19th century - I wonder if we will produce our own Charles Dickens?

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  • Quarket
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    Quarket said

    When I saw this headline, I thought it was referring to investment bankers.

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  • easygoing
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    easygoing said

    I have just realised that John Fitzsimons wrote that awful piece about a fat tax yesterday. What is he? Some sort of government apologist? If you want to be a tory politician John go about it the right way and don't use this site for your election capaign.

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  • Ron7601
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    Ron7601 said

    While we all know of those who simply don't want to work, the majority of those that will be adversly affected by the proposed benefit changes do not fall into this category. Indeed, the former group are relatively small in numbers. Simplifying the benefits system is long overdue however, as it's complexity allows dodgers to simply work the system to their benefit. I would, however, question if this is the right time to carry out such draconian changes when unemployment is rising, and will undoubtedly rise higher. Where are the jobs for these individuals to be forced into?

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  • flybabydizzy
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    flybabydizzy said

    Although there are many people on

    benefits who are milking the system, it is grossly unfair to label

    everyone as lazy and work shy. My son and his partner are newly

    qualified, and unable to find jobs - any jobs, not just something in

    their field. As they're under 25, they get a pittance to live on.

    It's no use punishing people for being unemployed if the jobs

    simply aren't there for them. Cut the top salaries, stop up some tax

    loopholes and help create the jobs!

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  • Ian329
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    Ian329 said

    Agree with everything you say John. Do not know where the above people live but where I live I am fed up with all the benefit cheats drinking in the pubs and boasting they are better off on benefits than working. Another point is the mobility cars. While I am not against the genuine people and that goes for benefits too, I am against the ones who receive cars who should not even have one. Throw the ones who work the system out of it.   

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  • Mike10613
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    Mike10613 said

    This new scheme will be bad for people with disabilities who are already put on ESA when they are too sick to work and constantly harassed by Jobcentreplus. The main reason benefits have gone up is the minimum income guarantee for pensioners and heating allowance; plus a more sensible savings allowance of £10,000 (up from £6,000). The Oxbridge 'old boys' in Downing Street with their elitist views are clueless about what happens in the real world. Cameron would not be Prime Minister if he wasn't from a privileged background that sent him to Oxford and Cleggy is a member of the same 'old boys' network but the Cambridge branch. Will the Lib Dems actually increase the personal allowance for income tax and increase incomes for the low paid? Will they scrap the tax tax and make it pay as you drive? No, it will be freebies for MP's and bankers, power corrupts; ultimate power corrupts ultimately. They were corrupt when they were born into a corrupt sub-culture of silver spoons in mouths. 

    Do some quantitative easing and raise minimum wages with the new money instead of giving it to the rich! 

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  • RocketSteve
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    RocketSteve said

    Clearly the system is way over due for a complete audit.

    The more complex the system the more midllemen beaurocrates that are taking their slice too. The real cost of the welfare system is the government employees - tax consumers who do not produce anything.

    A flat tax system is fairer to all. And then with a decent tax free allowance the lowest half of the population wouldn't pay tax. This would stimulate enterprise as people would see the rewards of their efforts. The cost to companies to higher a new employee is prohibative due to the tax levy - and so they are slow to higher tax producers.

    While Asia develops from shanty towns into gleaming cities, the UK will be reduced from our current dirty cities to shanty towns.

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  • MrRee
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    MrRee said

    I would stop all benefits and see what falls out the bottom. Anyone who falls and can show that they really need financial help would get it .. the who can manage just fine won't.

    Pensioners living in Spain should not get Winter Fuel Allowance, for example.

    Let everyone on benefits re-apply. Anyone caught smoking outside the dole office will be deemed to having enough money to waste and have their benefits cut back. Benefits should not allow you to drink, smoke or gamble!

    There are streets which need cleaning - clean the streets, get your benefit.

    It's about time we made work an attractive option!

    Climbs down off soapbox :-)

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  • jazzfreak
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    jazzfreak said

    i-rhino said '...yes, again, the 'benefit' bill has gone up under labour by the amount quoted but since labour did such a good job investing in the NHS...'

    Don't talk utter rubbish. The money poured into the NHS has been shockingly wasteful. The money thrown at management alone is a disgrace. There's interim management at NHS hospitals being paid £2,500 a day - FACT. On top of that the PCT then pays the agency's fee. We're talking about non-clinical staff here on £650,000.

    Oh yes, Labour have really done wonders with our money.

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  • kittzy
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    kittzy said

    ooh fight fight fight

    Dont you think that these articles are supposed to grab your attention, then create healthy debate.

    Have you never said something like, I support the death penalty, then listened to all the arguments and thought oh well, maybe not.

    There was only one question, will it work? If you dont think so, what would you suggest.

    Its pretty pointless focusing on a few political references which may or may not be the view of the author.

    Just answer the question :)

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  • Donna Ferguson
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    Donna Ferguson said

    I completely agree with Kittzy. Maybe I'm not giving some of you enough credit, but I think some of you have only read the headline and didn't bother to actually read to what John had to say. This is a shame because John didn't come up with the headline and as Kittzy says, it was deliberately controversial in order to encourage you to think about what is being done to people in this country. Debate is indeed extremely healthy and we just want our readers to sit up and take notice and tell us what you think. It's sad to see some of you judging and targeting John when you should be debating the issues at hand.

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  • Oxygenate
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    Oxygenate said

    I was brought into the public sector when I retired to help with the 'benefit' system. I was a straight forward business man, MD of a high tech company, not a pernsions or benefits specialist in any sense.

    Within a few months my jaw had dropped. I had got used, but not familiar, with an ever increasingly complex tax system (under the previous administration Tulleys tax guide had increased in size by 50%) but never realised what a complete shambles the benefits system was especially with the Tax Credits. Incomprehensible even if socially acceptable.

    The 'fiddling' was astronomical though some/much was because the system was incomprehensible. The generations of unemployed in the same family was also indicative of highly skilled training in system manipulation. If only highly skilled in something else. The 'disabled' proportion of our population puts us bottom in the world for disabled people - above the most impoverished, disease ridden, malnourished country in the globe.

    After 18 months I resigned; endemic, systemic and fostered (yes, fostered) maladministration was beyond me. As if the whole establishment was made up of @mike10613 clones.  These are the Oxbridge establishment in charge with their 'we know best' attitudes and cynical condescension. 

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  • easygoing
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    easygoing said

    I guess that your comments Donna are aimed at me. I have read both of John's articles and I still stand by my opinion that they are more political than informative. If they were written more impersonally then fine but they are written in a style that suggest they are John's own opinions and as such he is liable for criticism.

    I have supported you and other journalists on this site in the past so I don't apologise for anything I have written today.

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  • Donna Ferguson
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    Donna Ferguson said

    Thanks for the response easygoing. My comments weren't aimed at you in particular, more a general frustration. I respect what you've said and while I know for a fact that John is not a biased Tory, I appreciate that somehow you got this impression and I'm sorry about that. Thanks for sharing your views and anyway and for your courteous and balanced reply. We do try hard to maintain a balanced and objective stance.

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  • Caravanj
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    Caravanj said

    It seems that everyone is taking a one-size-fits-all approach to this problem of the unemployed (excluding the sick & genuinely disabled) who more or less fall into three camps.

    a) those who want to work but can't find work

    b) those who have just got out of the habit of working & have lost the motivation, maybe from numerous knock-backs by employers

    c) those who choose to be unemployed as a lifestyle choice

    Through my work I knew, personally, many families who were into their 3rd generation of total reliance on state benefits & this cannot be allowed to continue because these people are sucking money away from those who genuinely need it.

    The argument that a person is better off on the dole is not a reason for so being.

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  • Bierlijn
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    Bierlijn said

    I think if you propose "come and pick up some leaves as a community service and keep your benefits", you immediately find out who is available for work and who is not prepared to work under any circumstances. Result, some community work gets done and the shirkers sign off their undeserved benefits.

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  • LastChip
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    LastChip said

    These days, I only work when I want to, but when I do, I often come into contact, with lay-a-bouts, scroungers and a section of the population that have no intention what-so-ever of working. Yes! I promise you, they do exist.

    Those here with rose tinted spectacles, need to get into the real world and understand, this has to stop.

    Sadly, no system is going to be perfect and inevitably, some genuine cases will get caught in the crossfire. But at the end of the day, the country cannot continue down this road. It seems to be conveniently forgotten, the government doesn't have any money of it's own. Everything paid out is via taxes and I for one, am sick of a never ending increasing tax bill.

    The benefits system as it stands at present, has to be one of the most generous (and complex) in the world. There are still many places where if you don't work, you starve. I'm not suggesting that as an alternative, but when people can (and do) cross our boarders and hold out their hands, and get more than the natives, something is drastically wrong!

    As John pointed out the amount of individual benefits that can be claimed, is staggering. Ironically, many genuine people that have a justified claim, cannot understand the system. That cannot be right.

    In truth, the only way around the current mess, is to scrap the lot and start again. That's probably not far short of what Iain Duncan Smith is suggesting.

    Anything that acts as a safety net for the genuine needy, but gets rid of the shirkers, should be applauded and supported.

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  • silvamayflower
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    silvamayflower said

    Not just bad journalism (which I find on this page more than I like to say), but down right irresponsible journalism. Before you write such articles, you should perhaps speak to people who know, such as unemployed people themselves or eve (oh horror) those who advise them. The benefit system has undergone many changes over the years, none of which has actually made it easier to claim. Many people are pushed out of the system for entirely the wrong reasons and much hardship is caused. Your article, perhaps unwittingly, seems designed to create a completely divided society - those who work and those who do not, regardless of fault, and the latter already undergo untold prejudice as it is. You are simply making matters worse by stoking the fire of those who would have us believe that the majority of benefit claimants are work-shy cheats, which they are certainly not!

    Another poster above has also mentioned those who work on low incomes, and if not properly planned the government's proposals seem set to increase this problem by encouraging low-paid alternatives to benefit. Now, how should you make it worthwhile to work - increase the wealth of those who do, or lower benefits? In my view, the former, as for many years subsequent governments have been applying the latter.

    Might I suggest you approach the CAB or other agencies assisting people on benefits, to obtain a more accurate picture than the government propaganda that you appear to be spouting.

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  • scottie2hottie
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    scottie2hottie said

    I thought it was referring to MPs ? or the Royal Family ? or Tax Swindlers ? allof whom cost us a lot more than the small number of 'scroungers' (& I should be all for this if anyone is as one just such person is a flatmate of mine) but I know for every 'scrounger' there are 10 low paid familys who WONT benefit.The people who will benefit are big business who will cut the labour costs by driving down their wages & increasing their profits,and do you think they will pass that on to us ? WAKE UP !

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  • Janie D
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    Janie D said

    I must say I agree that there should be a "universal benefit" as it puzzles me that people "on the sick" get more than people who are unemployed for other reasons e.g redundancy. I also think it's a good idea to get people on work programmes if they have been unemployed for a while. The oddest thing about the proposals though is that work and training programmes already exist and have been brought in by successive governments - the last one was the New Deal for longer-term unemployed. Sanctions are also imposed for people who show themselves not to be actively seeking employment and also for refusal of employment - benefits can be stopped for up to six months if claimants refuse to apply for jobs or to take the job if offered.

    Yes, there are a lot of false claims out there, but there are also folks really struggling to survive on tiny amounts of money whilst being unable to find any kind of work. £65 a week to live on is no fortune. What would be fairer is if benefits bore more relation to the previous salary of the claimant, and were thus more proportionate to the amount paid in to the tax system by an individual. Also, why are families with children paid more than couples? If you go out to work your pay doesn't rise each time you have a baby!

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  • petitemisschief
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    petitemisschief said

    Having managed a team of men that clean the streets, remove graffiti, pick up flytipped rubbish etc., I fail to see how we can take people on for 4 week at a time to do this job. People have to be kitted out with basic personal protective equipment (PPE) this is a basic health and safety requirement and they will need boots, waterproof coats and leggings, gloves, and hi vis vests as a minimum and may need safety helmets, ear defenders, goggles, around about £200 per person, then theres the training for use of various pieces of equipment - again a health and safety requirement. Who will pay for this - employers won't.

    What I do agree with is the universal credit as there's no point in having lots of different agencies paying means tested benefits and there ar savings to be made in the administration of these benefits. I would point out however that it was Mrs Thatcher who created Housing Benefit around 1982 - prior to this rent was paid with the then 'supplementary benefit' all in one payment. Mrs Thatcher also got rid of fair rents at the same time and cause a massive increase in rents. 

    I would also question the possibility of stopping peoples benefits for turning down work. I can already see the low cost legal firms working out ways around this - probably based on human rights andvulnerable children. This has been tried so many times in the past and it never works as they don't have the nerve to follow this through - its all big talk

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  • amwell44
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    amwell44 said

    What a lot of Lefties on this site! Had you not noticed, Socialism has failed everywhere it has been tried? A fat lot it ever did for this country, or India, or China, or the whole of Eastern Europe and the Russian Federation. The Government and the Article are quite right, in my opinion. The present benefit system is unsustainable and must be reformed. I have been unemployed myself, several times, but my last experience of the dole, many years ago, was enough. Never again, I said to myself, will I claim benefits and stand in line with the layabouts I saw and heard, with their feeble excuses for missing interviews arranged for them and their "unemployable" appearance. There was the regular who brought his son to show him the ropes - straight out of school and on to the dole, in those days. Madness! This was besides the deserving people, who really wanted a job. Everybody who needs it will still get help, but some people need a bit of stick, er, incentive I mean, as well. You know it's true.

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  • creditmunch
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    creditmunch said

    I think it's easy to distract people with the idea that idle people are being paid to do nothing, when the real problem is that a lot of privatised companies aren't paying enough tax and their profits do not find their way back into the society that they profit so well from.

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  • holty
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    holty said

    I for one, am extremely tired of paying a whacking amount of tax, working 50hrs a week. not seeing my kids, knowing that there are many scroungers out there who refuse to work, and I am keeping them in beer, fags and whatever else, plus a national insurance, which I pay into and see no bigger benefits than those who dont.....for them that want to work, this has got to be improvement, for them that dont, dont...but dont expect to get paid for the privelidge.

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  • liesarenocomfort
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    liesarenocomfort said

    Slightly off-topic but this is worth a view (discussed on the Fool site)

    http://www.channel4.com/programmes/britains-trillion-pound-horror-story/4od

    No, I wasn't convinced by the ex-head of Goldman Sachs being driven around the City in a convertible either, but the general tenet - that the State is too big (and getting bigger) was interesting.

    Outrageous that the half dozen MPs interviewed had no clue what the national debt was (a couple of them confusing this with the deficit).

           

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  • snoop51
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    snoop51 said

    I don't care what governement did what in the past it's been and gone. The facts are that we are skint and we can't keep paying money to people who can't be bothered. I got laid off when the banks dropped a bol*ock was out of work for 6 weeks never claimed a damn thing. I sent CV's out for everything & anything had 3 interviews & was going for a job 3 weeks on 1 week off in East Africa before I got a job here in UK. So I say to all those who want to work but can't find work "Get on your bikes" Norman Tebbit had it right. I now work away during the week earn pretty good money but I do miss my family. The facts are I couldn't find work locally so I got off my ar*e and got a job elsewhere. So should the workshy, maybe a entitlement to 12 months benefit then no more for another 12 months might get some of them shifting their arse.

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  • suziv
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    suziv said

    Has anyone looked at the goverment guidance for what training unemployed people are able to undertake before they lose benefits? Many people I know are happy to go on a training course to improve job prospects or re-train in a different career but are prevented from doing so by their benefits being stopped (even an evening course out of normal working hours). My younger sister was made redundant and wished to re-train as a holistic therapist on a flexible course (while looking for work) and was unable to claim income support or housing benefit (the flat she rented was owned by a family member). The benefits agency insisted that she sit at home and remain "available for work" rather than re-training while she looked for a job.

    Surely the un-employed would be much better occupied on community projects or gaining further qualifications to improve their prospects?

    What about introducing volunteer mentors (retired people, etc?) who could meet with unemployed people.

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  • anniesdad
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    anniesdad said

    I really can't understand it when people say they can't find any jobs. Surely they mean they can't find the particular job that they want to choose to do. I bet I can find any fit and able person a job within a day. You don't even have to look that hard. Now I'm not saying that they are great jobs - you might even have to get your hands dirty, you might have to get up early and you might feel a bit shattered at the end of the day but it's a job. Cleaning, vegetable picking, warehouse work, factory work, shift work. If you think a particular job is beneath you, do it anyway and do it well, and before you know it you'll be Team leader, then supervisor, Manager etc etc. After all thousands of East Europeans have managed to find jobs here. Did they just look a little bit harder or did they get lucky? Don't tell me did they stole all the jobs - even if they did then steal those jobs back. It's called a job market because it's a market - you need to market yourselves and compete. I come accross lots of Poles in my line of business and I don't know one that hasn't found and started a job in less than one week from arriving here and many of these don't even speak any English. I know someone who is physically and mentally handicapped and she has got herself a job and it has done her self esteem wonders.

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  • anniesdad
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    anniesdad said

    I'm a bit puzzled about all the plans to stop peoples benefits when they don't take the jobs the Job Centre finds for them. Presumably that means that the Job Centre doesn't currently do this? Please someone tell me we don't currently pay unemployment benefits to people who choose not to take work when it is found for them or don't make it to job interviews.

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  • lizzarddex
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    lizzarddex said

    Here's an idea: Let's say for argument's sake jobseeker's allowance is £60 per week.

    Instead of just giving them the £60 per week, why not force them to work for at least 10 hours per week, and then pay them the £60 per week, while they can spend the rest of the time of their week looking for a job.

    This will cost nothing for the person who they are helping out, while earning their money as well as gaining work experience, thereby making them more employable.

    Sounds fair deal to me.

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  • Wellsprungalice
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    Wellsprungalice said

    I wondered where the howling mob had got to. 

    Those people who 'think they can get a job in a day' no matter what's on their CV and how inappropriate a fit it is should try it. Employers - even those who look for people to pick lettuces or sweep streets - are looking for the right person, not somebody who will find a better job and dump the street-sweeping after they've had training and got equipment etc.

    As to those who think people 'on the sick' should rise up and carry their beds, I can only tell you that losing the ability to work through becoming disabled is the most humiliating, soul-destroying experience, and people like you making assumptions does not help. We don't all wear a big badge that says: 'I am disabled, but you can't see it' if our health has been stuffed by the long term effects of cancer treatment, for instance. 

    Once you've worked hard and enjoyed it, not just the salary but the companionship of working in a team, the independence, the responsibility, the adrenaline buzz, it's horrifically lonely, not to say embarrassing not to be able to do it anymore. 

    As to the luxurious level of benefits, you can forget ever getting a haircut, going to the cinema or having a meal out. It's a lot of beans on toast and never going out because you have to save the money for heating; not to mention having to hire people in to do things you used to be able to do yourself.

    Those who sit in their ivory towers dispensing judgement on the feckless workless - think on. It could be you next.

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  • Wellsprungalice
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    Wellsprungalice said

    I wondered where the howling mob had got to. 

    Those people who 'think they can get a job in a day' no matter what's on their CV and how inappropriate a fit it is should try it. Employers - even those who look for people to pick lettuces or sweep streets - are looking for the right person, not somebody who will find a better job and dump the street-sweeping after they've had training and got equipment etc.

    As to those who think people 'on the sick' should rise up and carry their beds, I can only tell you that losing the ability to work through becoming disabled is the most humiliating, soul-destroying experience, and people like you making assumptions does not help. We don't all wear a big badge that says: 'I am disabled, but you can't see it' if our health has been stuffed by the long term effects of cancer treatment, for instance. 

    Once you've worked hard and enjoyed it, not just the salary but the companionship of working in a team, the independence, the responsibility, the adrenaline buzz, it's horrifically lonely, not to say embarrassing not to be able to do it anymore. 

    As to the luxurious level of benefits, you can forget ever getting a haircut, going to the cinema or having a meal out. It's a lot of beans on toast and never going out because you have to save the money for heating; not to mention having to hire people in to do things you used to be able to do yourself.

    Those who sit in their ivory towers dispensing judgement on the feckless workless - think on. It could be you next.

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  • Crista
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    Crista said

    Well, it is quite controversial to cut benefits when it's hard times, but we have to think that they eat up a lot of money the government doesn't have. If they don't cut benefits, they have to cut something else (like police force, which I think is a LOT worse). This will lead to even more unemployment and more benefits being payed.

    We'll just have to grin and bear it for a while.

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  • Crista
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    Crista said

    @suziv: there are o lot of things people on benefits can do to get back into work. My mother-in-law does one of them trainings and people that come to her are actually referred by the Job Centre. My local council provides a lot (and I do mean a lot) of NVQs free of charge for people on benefits.

    Whoever said that to your sister is an idiot...

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  • Stephen George
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    Stephen George said

    Help for the under 30's as you can apply for a grant to help you get a new suit or travel etc for a new job average grant is £175 from the prince's trust. Grant or an interest free loan. This you could buy a ready made Distributorship like I have for under £200 a ready made business for you to start earning straight away look me up on twitter Stephen George UW Thank you

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  • myfindhorn
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    myfindhorn said

    I take it to be that all carers in this country will be the ones that fall out of the bottom of this great benefits shake-up.So lets see, I have been a full time carer for 30 years for most of my family who have suffered degree,s of disability, from my son, father ,mother and 2 aunts. I looked after all of them until they died with exception of my son. Now to anyone who thinks this is easy street let me tell you , I do not qualify for a pension other than state and as most of my life has been keep in poverty due to emotional blackmail by the goverment, I now find that i shall remain in poverty.

    I have been recently told that I cannot go on holiday without imforming the DSS and they have demanded that i produce receipts and bank accounts for the last 3 years to make sure that i am not abusing my benefit. I dont drink, smoke or abuse drugs but for the toss of a coin here i am .

    I am sure this is legal and what gets to me is the amount of abuse the council and goverment is getting away with squandering the public purse, so what are the legalities that govern them . Its time this goverment looked as to why this country is a mess and if they find it hard to get a answer then here it is

    WHY WORK FOR YOUR MONEY WHEN THERE IS A BOTTOMLESS PIT FULL OF MONEY TO KEEP YOU ALL, YOU ARE NO BETTER THAN THOSE WHO FEEL THEY ARE BETTER OFF ON BENEFITS AT LEAST THEY ADMIT IT.

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