Six dark secrets banks don't tell you

Serena Cowdy
by Lovemoney Staff Serena Cowdy on 25 August 2010  |  Comments 15 comments

We reveal six ways your bank might try to pull the wool over your eyes.

Six dark secrets banks don't tell you

When it comes to playing banks at their own game, you need to have your ears pricked and your eyes peeled. Financial providers are there to make a profit, so we can’t expect them to act purely for the good of our health.

When it comes to transparency and ethics, some banks certainly don’t shower themselves in glory. I’m going to highlight six sneaky tricks that banks try to get away with - so they don’t slip by you unnoticed.

1. Plummeting savings rates

A recent investigation by The Daily Mail found that some of the biggest banking names on the high street routinely fail to tell savers when their rates are being dropped.

For example, many of the top-paying savings accounts have bonus rates which end after 12 months, leaving the customer with a measly rate of interest.

Currently, your bank isn’t obliged to keep you informed as and when this happens. After all, we should all have read the terms and conditions when we signed up.

But wouldn’t it be nice if you got a letter or email telling you exactly where you stand? In the meantime, keep a close eye on the interest attached to any variable rate account. Use this table to check up on any old accounts:

Bank/building society

Where to find savings rate

Abbey

Find interest rates for accounts no longer on sale here. All other rates can be found here.

Alliance & Leicester

Use this nifty tool to calculate the interest on your savings account. If the account is not available to new customers, click on the closed accounts tab in the 'type of account' drop-down box.

Barclays

Find all savings rates here.

Halifax

Find all savings rates here.

HSBC

Find all savings rates here.

Lloyds TSB

Find interest rates for accounts no longer on sale here. All other rates can be found here.

Nationwide

Find interest rates for accounts no longer on sale here. All other rates can be found here.

NatWest

Find all savings rates here.

2. Negative payment hierarchy

Most credit cards operate a negative order of payment. Essentially, that means the cheapest debt on the card (that charging the lowest rate of interest) is cleared first - and the most expensive debt is cleared last. Of course, this works in the provider’s favour, and boosts its profits nicely.

Unfortunately, it’s often difficult to find out whether a credit card operates in this way before you apply: The order of payment is usually buried deep in the terms and conditions, between pages and pages of small print.

Rachel Robson explains how negative order of payment works and how to avoid it.

So, skim-reading financial terms and conditions just isn’t good enough, and could land you with some very nasty surprises.

There are a few credit cards that operate a positive order of payment (clearing your most expensive debts first). Saga, Nationwide and Co-op credit cards all work like this, so it’s worth tracking them down and seeing whether they meet your needs.

Also, be aware that the rules are changing in January.

3. Available credit

You’re at a certain disadvantage when making a credit card application - because providers keep crucial information to themselves until the very last stage of the process.

Notably, you’re usually not told what your credit limit will be until your application is complete, accepted and processed.

For example, if you need a limit of £3,000, but you’re only offered £1,000, you may regret making the application in the first place. However, it will be too late to back out, in the sense that the application will already be on your credit record.

Surely there’s a way providers could provide this information at an earlier stage in the process, to avoid people taking out cards that don’t meet their needs?

4. Hidden arrangement fees

My bank tried to hit me with this sneaky rip-off last year. I’d had a £1400 overdraft limit for the last year. Then one day, I got a letter from my bank, saying it was delighted to be able to arrange a £1400 overdraft limit for the next 12 months (in other words, not ‘arranging’ anything new at all!).

Further on - right at the end of the fourth page to be precise - I found a single sentence saying they’d be charging me a £25 fee for this ‘privilege’.

When I visited my local branch and challenged them, the charge was dropped ‘as a gesture of goodwill’. It’s another example of banks trying to slip fees in under the radar… and another reason to read all the way to the end of the paperwork!

The good news is, there are currently 5 ways to get an overdraft for free – so you don’t have to put up and shut up.

5. Interest on monthly instalments

If you buy home insurance from your bank, you’ll probably be asked whether you’d like to pay all at once, or in monthly installments.

Monthly payments sounds great in theory, because it means you don’t have to find a large chunk of cash all at once. However, steer clear if at all possible: Pay like this and you’ll usually be charged a hefty rate of interest for the privilege.

Recent question on this topic

Even worse, providers don’t always make this clear. When the monthly payment option was offered to me over the phone, the payment of interest wasn’t even mentioned. I was only told about the hefty rate whenI queried it directly. Grrr!

If you do need to pay monthly, you’re better off using a 0% on purchases card to pay upfront, then spreading your repayments by month on the card, interest-free.

6. When you’ve made a mistake

Everyone makes mistakes. A financial mistake can prove particularly disastrous, however, because banks often don’t tell you that you’re sinking further into a pickle.

For example, exceed your overdraft limit and you could face a hefty fine and an extortionate rate of interest. And of course, it’s not in the bank’s interest to tell you, because with every day that passes, they’re benefitting from your error.

This is one reason you should always check your balance and transactions on a regular basis. And you can manage your money quickly and easily using the lovemoney.com online banking service.

More: Watch out for this banking rip-off | Seven rip-offs that prey on your fears

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Comments (15)

  • gardener
    Love rating 25
    gardener said

    I pay my car insurance monthly with the NFU, my APR is 2.9%.

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  • amips
    Love rating 20
    amips said

    Dark secrets - many apparently!

    Last year I was persuaded by Lloyds to transfer my old ISAs over to them as they were offering 3% - sounded great as the Barclays one had dropped to the usual sub 1% rate after it's first year. I transferred just over £9k.

    Now a year on, I received an interest statement that showed I had NOT received 3% at all but a measly 1.5%. Upon enquiring I was told the deal was for sums in excess of £10k only and that their advisor had informed me incorrectly. Despite much complaining and waiting for consultations with other staff members I was told I would not be getting compensation as it was "in the small print" which I should have read.

    I then asked for the whole amount to be transferred to my Nationwide account. I was then told I would have to pay a fee of £30 to do this as I did not have a Lloyds current account.

    So the little interest I received was instantly cut by £30.

    Lloyds group - no wonder their customers don't like them either!!

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  • luther50
    Love rating 0
    luther50 said

    There is a good old fashioned descriptive which can be applied to the modern, speciously complex, and slick banking industry......usurious.

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  • oldlowie
    Love rating 9
    oldlowie said

    ING did the 'rate-drop' after 12 months thing to me, I only found out when I checked my monthly interest online.

    Needless to say my money is now elsewhere!

    It is not even possible to write to them to close the account, I received a letter back from them to tell me I must phone them!! If ING want to keep their servers clogged up with dormant £0.00 accounts that's up to them... but they must not tell me how to conduct my financial affairs!

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  • MrsTrellisOfNorthWales
    Love rating 18
    MrsTrellisOfNorthWales said

    When I complained to my bank about the "overdraft arrangement fee", there was no question of it being dropped. Instead, I was told by the staff that "we have to pay it too, you know."

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  • Landlord
    Love rating 15
    Landlord said

    Yes all true. That is why it is better to be a bank shareholder than a customer. Lloyds at 67p represent good value at the moment and they're making massive profits. 

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  • Savvy chic
    Love rating 20
    Savvy chic said

    Most Insurance Companies are still charging 8%+ for monthly payments. it's obscene!

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  • Savvy chic
    Love rating 20
    Savvy chic said

    oldlowie: The same happened to me with ING Bank. I have transferred all the money out of my a/c into my nominated Bank. When it has cleared, I intend to open a new ING A/c paying 2.75%. I think that's still a good rate for instant access.

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  • retireat60
    Love rating 7
    retireat60 said

    I think you will find you cannot go back to ING for 6

    months. I did the same earlier this year, frustrated with rates.

    J

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  • eLJay
    Love rating 76
    eLJay said

    My example is Alliance and Leicester (now Santander), who I instructed 3 times to close my account and they didn't, then hit me with underpayment charges and then they charged me for the over draft that their charge had made upon the account I was trying to close. I only had it rectified when I wrote to the CEO (be nice and write it correctly).

    I'm using my Cash ISA for my mortgage - its just pays so little it's not worth it at the moment.

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  • eLJay
    Love rating 76
    eLJay said

    Oh and yes I have Lloyds shares as well (holding).

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  • GaryDean
    Love rating 56
    GaryDean said

    My daughter lives in Durban SA & having a Barclays current account used online banking to keep tabs on things etc. One day she found herself locked out of her account. She phoned Barclays who promised to rectify things & get her back on. They did nothing. She phoned several more times received the same assurances & the same result.....Nothing. She wrote a letter of complaint & received a letter of apology with another promise that also led to.....nothing. Desperately needing to make a purchase for a new baby she calculated what she thought was in her account & went £30 overdrawn. Eventually she phoned the bank again to try to get access & this time they rather abruptly told her she was owing £400. Apparently the overdrawn amount was accruing £22 every five days & as she was unable to keep tabs on her account she didn't know. She implored them to be reasonable explaining her side but they told her if she wants to have the five daily charge discontinued she must pay up in full or the debt would be forwarded to a debt collecting agency. We found it absolutely shocking to think they could be ruthlessly efficient on this point & so incredibly inefficient & negligent when it came to following through on their own obligation. All I can say is Barclay's clearly has a different breed of person at the controls than it did when I opened my account many years before. My mother was a customer for many years more & we were dealing with human beings who we could relate to & who we felt could relate to us. Today most calls go to India to people who more often than not mispronounce one's name. They are usually very nice but the playing field is very different & one must play very carefully indeed.

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  • Donna Ferguson
    Love rating 130
    Donna Ferguson said

    @Gary - that's shocking. Has your daughter made an official complaint to the bank in writing? If so, have you had a final response from them? You can go to the Financial Ombudsman if you have. Read Bank error in your favour. Collect £1000 for more help. Good luck,

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  • charles125
    Love rating 53
    charles125 said

    Ok just a few, none of them very nice... at all

    They don't tell you when they think you are approaching a from their point of view a reasonable overall (across all your cards borrowing limit), after which, without notification they will all remove balance transfer card arrangements of any kind AND at this point prevent you taking out any new cards, thereby locking you onto (maximum!) standard rate interest on your entire card balances once any offers run out, for the duration of most of your card borrowing, without being able to offset these debts in any way.

    They don't make clear your own bank's 'right to offset' ie take your ENTIRE salary to pay off cards and overdrafts if you go into default on payments to THEM.

    They make you think a spouse with a good job can get a loan at cheaper rates, when your own rating is rated borrowed too much. Fact, they can't and they use your own 'poor' rating as an excuse. I was told the wife on a good income could get a loan at 9% to help- clear some of my card debts. When she actually asked for even a small loan, she was told the rate would be nearer 20% AND unlikely to be agreed upon given my card debts.

    Would you trust the banks ? ....... I DON'T!!

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  • keirfamily
    Love rating 1
    keirfamily said

    4 rules to remember when dealing with banks -

    1) They are there to make money.

    2) From you.

    3) This money will go to the bosses as bonuses - for being there, apparently. The shareholders will see none of it.

    4) The people you deal with (counter staff, local manager, etc.) are doing their best but are not responsible for points (1) - (3) and can't change any of it.

    I sometimes wonder which has caused more unhappiness - heroin or credit cards...

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