The worst hospital rip-offs

Emma Lunn
by Lovemoney Staff Emma Lunn on 10 October 2012  |  Comments 45 comments

If you're stuck in hospital or visiting a sick friend or relative, things can be difficult enough. But rip-off charges for everything from phone calls to parking can make the experience financially, as well as emotionally, draining.

The worst hospital rip-offs

I’ve had the misfortune to have a close relative in hospital for the past 10 days. The circumstances alone are bad enough but the experience has also introduced me to the another hospital rip-off: Patientline, a service which offers hospital patients a bedside telephone, TV and radio service.

Calling a patient at a hospital

Because the hospital is a good hour’s drive away from where I live I’ve been calling Patientline on a daily basis. Although staff are fairly relaxed about the use of mobile phones on the ward, the reception is so bad that calling Patientline is my only option if I want to speak to my family.

Each patient signed up to Patientline has a personal bedside phone number beginning 070, but calling this doesn’t get you straight through to the patient. If only.

First, you have to listen to a long preamble explaining that you’re calling a hospital and what this means (“Please remember whilst they [the patient] are in hospital they may be with medical staff or have difficulty in reaching the phone to answer your call so please be patient.”) At the end of the message the exorbitant call charges – 50p a minute from a BT landline – are revealed.

The message is carefully scripted to be as long-winded as possible – I’d regurgitate it in full here but I’m limited by a strict word count. I timed it though, and the message is just short of 90 seconds.

It’s an annoying waste of time but also one for which you pay at least 75p before you even speak to your friend or relative. And that’s on BT – my phone provider Virgin Media charges 51.07p a minute plus a 14.94p connection charge for the call. This equates to 92p just to hear the recorded message.

According to Hospedia, Patientline’s parent company, the message’s “overall content is the result of a wide variety of feedback we have had over the years due to the relative unfamiliarity of 070 numbers.” Hospedia says it’s “working on ways to try and reduce the length of the message.”

To help, I offered Hospedia an alternative script containing all the important information in just 10 seconds but its PR department haven’t responded.

Patients' phone and TV costs

Patients themselves pay a mere 10p a minute for outgoing calls; a fraction of the inbound call costs but still a lot more than standard call charges. As for TV charges, because my relative is on the children’s ward Patientline’s TV service is free from 7am to 7pm. The prices for TV for adults aren’t shown on Hospedia’s website but a quick Google suggests pricing starts at £1 for two hours’ TV or £10 a day.

Parking

Another common hospital rip-off is ever-increasing car parking charges. Figures from the Patients’ Association shows that more than a quarter of hospital trusts in England increased car parking charges for patients and visitors in the year to last April.

Although some cut prices, others more than doubled them, according to data from 197 hospital and mental health trusts. The average cost of an hour’s hospital parking across the UK is 77p, based on the average from a three-hour stay, but some trusts charge much more.

For example, Dorset County Hospital NHS Foundation Trust charges £1.60 for one hour, £2.10 for two and £4.20 for up to four.

Unsurprisingly hospital patients and visitors pay more in London; parking at Chelsea and Westminster Hospital NHS Foundation Trust costs £2.50 an hour on average, but up to £3.50 an hour in some cases.

Food and drink

Hospital patients and visitors also pay above the odds for snacks and drinks. Last month the Daily Star Sunday carried out some research into prices at restaurants, cafes and shops in NHS hospitals.

It found that hospitals across the UK are charging up to 50% more than supermarkets for cans of drink and confectionary.

For example, at St George’s Hospital in Tooting, south-west London, cans of Coke and KitKats cost 80p each, compared to a maximum of 61p at the supermarket. Meanwhile, a can of 300ml Coke at Harrogate District Hospital, North Yorkshire cost 95p – almost double the cost of the same item in a supermarket.

Have you spotted other hospital rip-offs? Should the Government do something to prevent these? Share your thoughts in the Comments box below.

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  • RichardSowler
    Love rating 17
    RichardSowler said

    What a whinge! The NHS does a fantastic job on a very tight budget and, since it cannot charge for treatment, deserves to be allowed to make some profit on ancilliary services. Thanks for the information on Chelsea and Westminster hospital parking, though. I didn't know there was any, but since I live a few hundred yards away and have a residents' parking permit I am unlikely to be using it.

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  • mdjohnst
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    mdjohnst said

    I would expect to pay a small premium for drinks in the hospital shop but no more than I would pay in a corner shop.

    The TV and phone charges are offensive. You often get the excuse that mobile phones cause interference with hospital equipment and therefore cannot be used. I believe some of this research was provided by the companies that provide the bedside tv and phone equipment. I had a long conversation with a hospital consultant about the dangers of mobile phones affecting equipment and the conclusion was that it does not. There are a few exceptions of very sensitive heart monitoring equipment but that would not normally be found in a general ward.

    Its a total scam and designed to extract as much money as possible from vulnerable people and should be outlawed. £10 for a day of TV which is likely to be sourced from Freeview is criminal as are the phone charges.

    I agree with car parking charges as the car park will have to be paid for one way or another (plus if it were too cheap it would be abused), but it should be made free or at least a heavy discount for family of the patient.

    Patients and family are vulnerable so why add insult to injury.

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  • Mike10613
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    Mike10613 said

    There are similar charges at my local hospital. It seems a bit much to pay £2.00 parking, but before the charges I couldn't find a space because people parked and then went for lunch in the hospital. Now I always get a space. Costa coffee is expensive, but it's not compulsory. The hospital has league of friends which is a little cheaper and a small supermarket in the hospital is cheaper for a drink. I think the phone charges can be a rip off, but that's privatisation for you - screw as much out of the poorest as possible. This is David Cameron's Big Society - get used to it.

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  • siencyn
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    siencyn said

    One of the advantage of devolution is that there are no car parking charges at Welsh hospitals, except where a few long term contracts with car park rip off companies were allowed to take advantage of the desperate need for visitors and outpatients. Perhaps English regions/counties should devolve NHS responsibility?

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  • mrs weatherley
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    mrs weatherley said

    Our local hospital in Devon got rid of the League of Friends who ha raise millions of pounds over the years and who were able to be over staffed by volunteers and therefore able to lend a friendly ear if needed...instead we have an expensive franchise...selling pricey food an drinks...living as we do in a deeply rural area people rely on those refreshments..

    However you are apparently entitle to bring your own picnic and use hospital spaces to eat them in..not that they publish that fact they make you feel obligated to spend in their cafe.

    The food available is junk food for the most part and does not set a fine example of healthy eating, nor do the staff have the time to chat with older, sicker, frailer people.....

    Out Trust just got rid of our League of Friends..obviously they were invited in to the tender process but could not compete with the commercial applicants......no value in the NHS is placed upon charity / sympathy /welcome / emotional support etc. Just get them in and take their money.......

    Do not trust the Trusts.....

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  • LastChip
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    LastChip said

    There's nothing whingey about it, It's a National disgrace.

    No one is criticising the service hospitals provide, but parking charges are outrageous.

    I had reason to visit my local A & E recently with a family member, who was in pain, but it fortunately turned out to be nothing very serious. But when you're worried about getting someone into professional care quickly, getting bombarded with notices as soon as you arrive, threatening clamping and diabolical fines, only leads to extra stress. All you want to do is get that person help as soon as you can. It wouldn't be so bad if they said the first hour is free. At least then you could sort out the immediate problem and then worry about the parking afterwards.

    Ever since the "business model" was introduced into hospitals, it's been down hill all the away. It may surprise politicians to know, you can't measure everything with statistics, let alone return on investment.

    Yes I know costs have to be controlled, but can't help feeling there must be better ways of doing it.

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  • roofspace
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    roofspace said

    I'm surprised that ANYONE is surprised at the cost of privatised services. Name me ONE instance where privatisation of a public enterprise has resulted in lower prices and better service. People who whinge the most are probably the one who were all for it in the beginning, weren't you..........

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  • theciscokid
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    theciscokid said

    Car parking charges will have to rise very shortly to pay for the new "medical tourists" claiming their Human Rights to be treated free of charge over here. If you clamp them, they will claim their human rights to be freed owing to their right to a family life that evening!

    When the hell is this Government going to stand up for us, the Taxpayer?

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  • LastChip
    Love rating 92
    LastChip said

    I don't recall anyone was given any option as to whether privatisation went ahead or not.

    The government decreed and it happened. Did we get a referendum on it? If we did, I must have been asleep.

    Railways? Not a bad service, but overcrowded at peak times with sky high prices.

    Buses? lousy service with sky high prices.

    Gas? service unchanged with sky high prices.

    Electricity? same as gas.

    Telecoms? probably the one industry that's sort of worked, but probably only because mobile has become so competitive.

    Overall? a disaaarster!

    It hasn't lead to a better service with lower prices and the so called watchdogs sit there fat dumb and happy with their sky high salaries.

    Once again, the poorest in society get ripped off.

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  • P G Tips
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    P G Tips said

    The hospitals make far more from parking charges than you suggest. Many of the car parks are "Pay and Display", so as you have no idea how long you are going to be kept waiting, you have to pay for the maximum period, rather than be fined for over staying. So lets say you buy 4 hours parking, but leave in 1 hour. The hospital can rent that space again and again.

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  • johnmxn3
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    johnmxn3 said

    At the Norfolk and Norwich University Hospital the first 30 minutes parking is free.

    Next 2 hours is £2 then up to £5 after that.

    What the writer does not say is that most hospitals allow blue badge holders to park free. Also cancer patients and others who have a long course of chemo or blood transfusions (often up to 5 hours at a time) are allowed to park free.

    Another charge is that staff have to pay to park at the hospital. Get a bus I hear someone say. Well, unfortunately Park and Ride services do not operate at night shift times, and many staff do not live near a bus route which runs after 22.00 hours, or before 07.00 hours to get them to work at 08.00 hours.

    On behalf of some elderly neighbours I have worked out a way to get the husband in to visit his wife by driving him to the hospital, agreeing a pick up time from the exit from the wards, and then I go straight out to do my shopping for a couple of hours, thereby getting out free. Same when I collect him, no charge for driving in and straight out. If he used his bus pass, the journey alone would take him 2 hours to get there, having to travel 10 miles into Norwich, then 4 miles out of Norwich on another bus to the hospital. The first bus goes the pretty way round the smaller villages. Same for him returning home. Not ideal for an 86 year old.

    In clinics the receptionist has the machine to set a lower charge if the clinic runs late (I waited 4 hours to see a consultant, but did not worry because we were told he had been called to help operate on several traffic accident victims. The abuse the receptionist had to take was incredible, as if it was her fault.)

    Next time you have to go to hospital, read the parking charges notice board carefully, you may find information there that will save you money.

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  • rustybrain
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    rustybrain said

    Not all hospitals allow cancer patients to park for free. Its £1.50 at the Royal Surrey County Hospital in Guildford - but you can stay as long as you need.

    Other patients have to use the general vistor parking and have to pay by the hour even tho they may have equally long treatments or waits for appointments

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  • MK22
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    MK22 said

    Another problem is that in order to improve standards of operations, hospitals are being amalgamated so that surgeons do more operations. The result is huge, allegedly better, hospitals that are miles from anywhere, so elderly visitors have major problems. Nobody has thought of the benefit to recovery as a result of having visitors. But then nobody cares because visitors aren't clinicians. Take as an example Milton Keynes General Hospital. Milton Keynes is a new town with a relatively young population, so lots of babies being born verses the surrounding towns for miles around. Logically MKGH would be the local centre for paediatrics and neonatal medicine. But no! The John Radcliffe in Oxford is the local centre. So really sick children are taken by helicopter to the JR!!!! That makes no sense financially or in terms of good medical outcomes and makes it very difficult for visiting (80 miles round trip). But I expect the clinicians want the kudos of being in a university town, and of course they are the clinicians so they know best (I wish). Verily the lunatics are in charge of the asylum!

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  • valtie
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    valtie said

    I just spent a week in hospital and refused to pay the patientline at £10 per day minimum & £25 for 3 days as a pensioner (like about 70% of the inpatients) I feel it is usuary.

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  • thenikjones1
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    thenikjones1 said

    Depends on the hospital, surely? My wife recently had a baby and At Nottingham QMC I bought 7 days parking for £15. - used it for 5 days so happy. TV card was £10 for 3 days, would be £15 for 7 days. Cafe did jacket potato with cheese and beans for £2.70 - basic but better than the food my wife was given.

    I did hire 2 wheelchairs and failed to get my £1 from either but a small price to pay for a healthy baby and good midwife care...

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  • roscoeian
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    roscoeian said

    I'll tell you what is even worse, the staff who park at the hospital are also charged for the privilege, not too bad in cities when public transport is available, but a bit much in rural areas where there is little option but to use your car.

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  • athomik
    Love rating 15
    athomik said

    My disabled wife was admitted to hospital in August with a major health problem and spent several weeks there.

    The 1/2 hour free parking option is a laugh as you would never see anyone who can diagnose a problem in that length of time, or even walk from the car to the ward and back.

    At our hospital, you can get a discounted weekly parking permit so I and my wife's carer had to organise hand-over time when one of us left and the other oner took over ( lack of staff meant that we organised someone to assist my wife during the day).

    The food provided by the hospital is so bad that we had to organise (and pay for) our own food supplies for my wife (and as my wife's carer or I were there at the time, staff assumed that they didn't have to bother with feeding her).

    The TV service is very limited, not cheap, you can't hear the sound, even with the cheap earphones provided - while alarms are going off all over the place and even the pump on her inflatable mattress drowned out the sound, and the phone was located next to the TV which was mounted on a wall bracket, out of reach of anyone not fit enough to sit up and grab it.

    While the medical staff were great and did all they could, there just weren't enough of them. The Private Finance Initiative and the move to commercial contractors has merely resulted in more of our tax money being wasted on an ever deteriorating health service which mostly serves to line the pockets of commercial companies who overcharge the NHS.

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  • Shirelock
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    Shirelock said

    The staff end up parking on streets near the hospital and take up the spaces used by residents. My street is accessed by buses and articulated lorries and I end up answering the door multiple times a day to please move my car so they can get through. When I tell them it's not my car and that it's someone going to or working at the hospital, they look at me with surprise and indignation! "Why do people park up here", they ask? "Because the hospital parking charges are outrageous and or there are no spaces available", I answer back. We have complained to the council and the council came back with the brilliant idea for us to have parking stickers at the cost of £50.00/year to park outside our own homes! My street has mainly older people on it, including myself and we can't afford that kind of money on state pension!

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  • css
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    css said

    Looks Britain is becoming a Nation of Thieves - especially the Establishments.

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  • Meanmachine2
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    Meanmachine2 said

    What about the paycards that patients have to buy if they want to watch TV.

    The rotten things are rated in 24 hour slots which do not allow you to watch 24 hours of TV but run out in that time so the patient has to buy one for every day.

    With regards to car parks at the Royal Cornwall Hospital the contractor paid the hospital £6 million to get the contract so you can guess the car parking charges.

    It all carries on as rip off Britain.

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  • Megatyte
    Love rating 21
    Megatyte said

    @RichardSowler

    You're so wrong. NHS Trust hospitals do charge for treatment. They charge each other.

    Every NHS Trust hospital employs a Marketing Manager. It is his/her job to sell spare capacity at the hospital that they are based at or buy services from other hospitals if their own hospital is over subscribed or cannot compete on price. Trust hospitals are now run as a business.

    As far as mobile phones are concerned in hospitals, all of the management carry them and use them extensively as they are the preferred means of contact regardless of which area of the hospital they happen to be in.

    I know this as fact as most of my family are employed in the NHS and some of them are high management (including Marketing Manager).

    A H

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  • Nick C
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    Nick C said

    Why did Tony Blair shut the UK's104 Community Health Councils? Could it be that all hospital problems have to go through Lawyers? Perhaps he knows some Lawyers? It has cost the NHS £Millions in legal fees since he took this Drackonian step - without consultation either -not that it would have changed anything. The NHS has to recover these costs I guess! Just grin and Blair it !! Sure2000

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  • electricblue
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    electricblue said

    There was new guidance on the use of mobile phones in hospitals and many wards in most hospital trusts now allow them Interference with hospital equipment was, is and always will be a total myth. The certification processes for hospital electronic equipment make them impervious to electromagnetic signals at many times the strength of those emitted by mobile phones. Patientline was a total fiasco and the original company went bust. That particular con was brought to you under a Labour government handing multi-million contracts to one of their cronies, former head of prisons, Derek Lewis, no less. The scum behind patientline and it's successor are devoid of any human decency and the hospital officials who have colluded in promoting a system which has brought misery and distress to so many patients should be sacked.

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  • electricblue
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    electricblue said

    Got to laugh at someone saying they can't afford £50 a year to park their CAR outside their home as they 'can't afford that kind of money on a State pension'. Must be very cheap insurance, MOT, RFL and servicing for pensioners then?

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  • kazmolly
    Love rating 1
    kazmolly said

    Those charges are cheap compared to Basildon Hospital it is free for the first 45 minutes then it goes up £3.00!

    My husband had to go to A & E as he broke his ribs they gave him painkillers then billed him over £15! - and we had to wait 6 hours to be seen!

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  • Iamcoldsteve
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    Iamcoldsteve said

    When my daughter was in the QMC hospital in Nottingham for a month with kidney failure we took a laptop with a 3G dongle. Having the internet available was an absolute godsend for either my wife or me, depending who was with her.

    Long term car parking is far more affordable than the daily costs.

    As she was on a children's ward she had the TV for free, but it is crap generally.

    The hospital also has parent rooms, for parents to stay over the night.

    It was not a good time at all.

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  • Donmills65
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    Donmills65 said

    The University Hospital of North Tees, in Stockton on Tees, charges £3.00 after 15 minutes, up to the first 2 hours and increases again after that up to £4.00 for a day.

    Since the beginning of the year, this has also included disabled patients. Most appointments tend to take longer than 2 hours, so costs are even higher.

    In an area of high unemployment and low wages, £3.00 would provide bread and butter for a week for 2 people, or a decent evening meal. To be required to pay that for 16+ minutes' parking is extortionate.

    Hospital visits are not a choice but a necessity and these extra charges are a tax on the sick and disabled. If every patient ordered an ambulance through their surgery instead of going by car, perhaps then we would see a change of heart by the hospital services.

    I know we'll have people writing in saying 'what about catching buses?' Apart from the cost - where there is a service available - is it really a good idea to have sick people on public transport?

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  • oldhenry
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    oldhenry said

    Who do you think is going to pay for the PFI projects? PFI provides massive income to the banks - offshore to avoid tax- and you must contribute you share. Youtax and NHI barely covers teh fees to thePFI vultures that lurk around the Hospital Truts sucking the governmnet funding that should be going to patient care.

    You are being stuffed big time by capitalists and Blair loved it - Cameron you would expect to, and he does- but the Labour party let down the population of this country by getting into bed with capitalism.

    So your cost will go up, ward numbers go down but offshore bankers's bonus are up- so a success for the capitalists.

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  • Short&Sweet
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    Short&Sweet said

    Most people I know find the charges to park, eat and keep occupied in hospital outrageous - but we still pay it 'cause there is little alternative and normally the situation is so severe that costs take a back seat, until afterwards.

    But a term of sitting in a terminal patient ward will show how horrendous this situation really is: watching elderly or genuine 'unsupported' disabled people actually work out the time they can AFFORD to spend with their dying loved one because they desperately want to be with them, but rely on their car because their nearest bus stop is too far to walk. Every penny counts and they just cannot afford to visit as much as they want and need to.

    Its very easy to find logical ways to reduce the cost of getting/parking at hospital, or making pack lunches, taking books to read etc etc. But when you are in the emotional situations that most often result in hospital stays - logic is replaced with just coping, 'thinking straight' becomes a luxury and money seems unimportant.

    What is so very sad is that someone somewhere is monopolising on this and a 'captive audience' - and its all being sanctioned by the NHS!

    ...sitting ducks and vultures springs to mind...

    On a more positive note - the PALS (Patient Advice and Liason Service) of the hospital can be extremely helpful and proactive in helping patients and families - so if you are struggling with a situation, contact them - the reception will have details. I found them terrific and it was like having a 'new backbone'!

    All the best for all and anyone visiting someone in hospital x

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  • athomik
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    athomik said

    I could never understand PFIs, (except when looking at politicians' "spend now - pay later" attitude). If the NHS is run by the government and all related services are run by the government, almost 100% of health spending should go on medical care. With PFI's a large proportion of health spending goes into the pockets of private companies. How can that be efficient use of our money?

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  • tuttogallo
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    tuttogallo said

    oldhenry. The reasons for the use of PFI (originally introduced by the Thatcher government) are typical of our short termist democratic political system. Politicians got all of the cudos for opening new hospital, school etc. The debt did not show in the National Debt (nice little accounting fiddle) and better still future generations would pick up the bill long after these politicians had retired on their generous pensions.

    The PFI agreements themselves were very complicated and not understood by the client side and anyway the politicians would not be interested in any issues, they just wanted the new hospital, school etc. Lots of scope for the PFI provider to inflate costs later!

    When I broke my thumb quite badly. I drove myself to hospital and parked half a mile away. I wasnt going to pay those charges and anyway I did not klnow how long I would be there! I also used my mobile phone and decided not to watch television.

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  • pwwuk
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    pwwuk said

    I have to admit to being a clinician from the private sector at Freedom Health .

    Many of the NHS Hospital Trusts are struggling to balance their books, so you can understand charges for things like parking where they provide CCTV etc. costs are high but if they don't stay solvent you could find a supermarket over that valuable land. If you are in an emergency (get admitted with your car in their car park) .. most will wave charges if you ask nicely. Also if you have at attend hospitals regularly, get help with costs through an attendance allowance.

    Would you rather they not afford your operation but provide free parking & LCD TVs. The phone costs are awful but pay for the bedside equipment that would not exist otherwise .. the argument for not using mobile phones on a ward are gone (modern equipment can cope with mobile phones or would not be passed safe) so using your own phone to text / skype / chat from your bed may be a better option .. if you have to speak on the phone .. you can usually get a call through to the nurses station (if you can walk / wheel yourself there).

    Most private hospitals provide quality food, LCD TV's and inbound calls without additional charge. Parking is usually free outside London also. The true costs of needing to be in hospital can be far higher than the charges when your there. Time off work waiting is a key cost, as is recovery time. I'd argue that some sort of private medical cover is a must have rather than a nice to have these days. More health stories at http://www.freedomhealthinsurance.co.uk/news

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  • MK22
    Love rating 142
    MK22 said

    pwwuk is quite right saying that the true costs are time etc spent in hospital. Sadly nobody seems to care about these costs industry has to bear. If they did, there would be adequate parking available at hospitals, good public transport links to hospitals and hospitals would not be built in the back of beyond where patients' visitors can't get to them, because, yes, visitors help patients recover and so reduce time spent in hospital (and therefore reduce cost). But nobody cares as long as hospitals costs the taxpayer the minimum possible and meet the requirements of clinicians (and some of my friends are hospital clinicians), not patients. When was the last time you saw a sign in a clinicians office/consulting room pointing out the cost if sessions run an hour late? But if you've been to outpatients you will have seen any number of similar signs about missed appointments.

    But soon the hospitals and doctors will be ready for handing over to the private sector and we'll be able to reduce taxation even further, so that's all right then. Just never get ill!

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  • twistedwheelnut
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    twistedwheelnut said

    athomik... your wife is getting free treatment for her illness. As a patient, she is provided food. What on earth makes you think that you should be getting food too? If you were at home, who would be paying for your food? What makes you think you should get it for free at hospital? If you want 5 star treatment, you need to pay more taxes. But I'm guessing you wouldn't want to do that. So maybe you should think about how lucky you are to get medical treatment that is provided free at the point of use, and stop looking for things to complain about.

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  • Megatyte
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    Megatyte said

    @twistedwheelnut

    I would suggest that you go back and read athomiks post again.

    Nowhere did he suggest that he expected the hospital to provide food for himself.

    A H

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  • jjoyanddave
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    jjoyanddave said

    As Megalyte states nowhere did athomik mention food for himself.

    He only stated that he or his wifes carer were expected to feed his wife.

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  • jjoyanddave
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    jjoyanddave said

    As a senior citizen myself I long for the old service we received when attending A&E

    There was no 2-5 hour waiting,No parking fees in fact everything was 100% better

    than it is today. But then of course the NHS belonged to the people and not to big

    businesses out to make a profit anyway they can. Also there were far less white

    collar workers screwing up the works.

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  • vburmester
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    vburmester said

    If we sorted out the health tourism in Britain, perhaps we would have enough money in the pot to cope.

    The influx of Eastern Europeans in particular, many of whom work below the radar as cleaners/builders and don't pay taxes, has strained our system beyond its capacity.

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  • T5P8
    Love rating 33
    T5P8 said

    What I'm gonna do is WHINGE on here as much as possible - that will sort the NHS out. It's no use using the ballot box as all parties are the same party. No use chasing the MPs they don't even use the NHS. No use emmigrating I can't afford it - We're trapped.

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  • r
    Love rating 67
    r said

    @T5P8:

    You are not trapped! You, me and the rest of the population can change things by getting a government made up of non-professional career politicians, people who can manage a budget, people who will not spend vast sums of money on things we can't afford and that most of us don't want (arab wars,the EU to mention a couple), people that will represent the WILL of the population. A big call? Not really; those people are all over the place, even on here. We need a drive for people to start taking responsibility and lot leave everything to the tired "left" or "right" politicians.

    As somebody said above, it is not much good using the ballot box with the main parties because they all have their noses in the trough.

    @LastChip was berating capitalism and blaming it for all the ills of the country. With reference to his comments on the railways, is he too young to remember the days of British Railways? We don't want to go back to that state. Many of the train operating companies WANT to introduce more rolling stock but are prohibited from doing so because of minute control from the DfT. If capitalism and properly constructed contracts were implemented, we would have a much better rail system than we have now - and even now is better than 15 years ago.

    BUPA and Benenden, two groups where I have visited people in their hospitals, seem to have excellent reputations and the patients seemed to be very contented. My belief is that any government cannot run a service or a business, primarily because every government only has a vested interest for five years and secondarily because there is too much personal gain to be had by professional politicians (just look at how many of our recent politicians have ended up with plum jobs in the EU!!) .

    The governments jobs should be to set and manage the REQUIREMENTS of a service and let the professionals carry it out, whether it be railways or hospitals. This means having PROPER, well tied up contracts and ensuring that they are adhered to by the franchisee. This is where privatisation is failing at the moment, in my humble opinion.

    Finally, as @vburmester says, lets rid ourselves of the "health tourism" (I love that phrase) in Britain. To be fair, I think this is being weeded out but very slowly. We need to be rid of the spongers . . . completely! Then, there may be enough money left to do things properly

    r.

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  • r
    Love rating 67
    r said

    PS. Last year, this government gave a smidgeon under £54,000,000 to the EU every day of the year. Just think how that could improve the NHS!.

    r.

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  • athomik
    Love rating 15
    athomik said

    twistedwheelnut said

    athomik... your wife is getting free treatment for her illness. As a patient, she is provided food. What on earth makes you think that you should be getting food too?

    I never said that I expected any food from the hospital for myself, I said that the food at the hospital was usually so bad that I had to buy food from outside the hospital to feed my wife, who was a patient.

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  • Dampflok
    Love rating 22
    Dampflok said

    When Raigmore (Inverness) introduced those tv/phone stations the headline in the local paper read something like "Cheaper to call a porn line than your local hospital." To make matters worse family living overseas could not call in at all as it was a premium rate line. When I went into hospital I took a supply of Terry Pratchett books and my mobile phone and ignored the patient station. But I am not a tv addict anyway. CM

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  • tellmemore
    Love rating 0
    tellmemore said

    If youwantto help prevent the NHS then might I suggest you read this then involved & sign this petition: https://secure.38degrees.org.uk/oct-poll-2012

    As members of 38 Degrees, each one of us helps decide the issues we work together on to make change happen. Knowing what all of us care about is vital, so every month or so a group of 38 Degrees members has the chance to vote on campaign priorities in a poll.

    Right now, across the country, 38 Degrees members are campaigning flat out to protect local health services from cuts and privatisation. It’s a clear example of people-power at work. But part of our strength as a movement is our ability to work on more than one issue at a time.

    Should protecting the NHS be top of the list? Should we still be working to clean up banking? Would you like to see more customer-powered campaigns like The Big Switch? Or is there an important issue missing?

    Please take two minutes to help decide which campaigns 38 Degrees should focus on:

    https://secure.38degrees.org.uk/oct-poll-2012

    Since 38 Degrees started over three years ago we’ve grown together into a powerful voice of over a million of us across the UK. Together we stood up to government plans to sell-off our forests, we tackled rip-off gas and electricity bills, and resisted the privatisation of our NHS. [1]

    When we campaign on the issues we choose together, we get things done! Just a few weeks ago thousands of us chipped in to buy a full page ad in the Telegraph newspaper. The hard-hitting ad was a shot across the bow of new Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt. It sent a strong people-powered message: we won’t let him get away with cutting and privatising our NHS. [2]

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  • tellmemore
    Love rating 0
    tellmemore said

    I was recently hospitalised for 6 days & totally refused to use or let any of my relatives/visitors pay for the rip off television service. I got my hubby to bring in his laptop & some DVD's & watched them on it.

    I have never been in favour of this service being installed & recall from my working days at our local hospital the many donated televisions. Hardly a month went by that such a donation was mentioned in our local paper yet nothing was heard about where they disappeard to!!

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