Why Premium Bonds are a rubbish investment

Harvey Jones
by Lovemoney Staff Harvey Jones on 05 March 2012  |  Comments 32 comments

A third of us have money stashed away in Premium Bonds. But is there not a better home for our cash?

Why Premium Bonds are a rubbish investment

Everybody loves Ernie. He’s a national treasure. I remember him from my childhood, big-heartedly dishing out random cash prizes every month. Premium Bonds were a big thing when I was a boy, and they’re even bigger today.

An incredible 22 million people hold them. That’s one in three of us. They really are the nation’s favourite investment. This is why I feel bad for pointing out that they are a bit rubbish these days.

A nice little Ernie?

I know, this is a bit like criticising your best uncle because he didn’t give you an expensive birthday present, but it has to be done. Lovable old Ernie (which stands for Electronic Random Number Indicator Equipment, which is used to pick the winning numbers), with his folksy name and government-backed reliability, is looking a bit stingy these days. And because one in three of us are emotionally and financially attached to him, I thought you should know.

 

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This is a pity, because in today’s uncertain times, a solid chap like Ernie should be in his prime. Instead, he is repaying loyal savers with an average prize fund interest rate of just 1.5%. That looks pretty miserly to me.

 

Prize downsize

There’s no denying Premium Bonds have pedigree. They were launched in 1957, when Harold Macmillan was Chancellor, Britons had never had it so good, and the top prize was £1,000 (£17,000 in today’s money). That was enough to buy you a brand-new Morris Minor at the time.

Ernie has moved with the times, upping the jackpot to £1 million in 1994. Even the National Lottery couldn’t bury him.

He is still dishing out the dosh. In July 2011, Ernie paid out more than £53 million. As well as that £1 million big one, he handed out four prizes of £100,000 and nine prizes of £50,000.

If you hold Premium Bonds, you are likely to have won more than once, but you probably won’t be rich. Nine out of 10 prizes are for £100 or less. Most people pocket £25.

Stingy old Ernie

You can dream of winning a million, but the chances are low. The odds depend on how many bonds you hold. Each bond costs £1, although the minimum stake is £100

If you hold the minimum £100 of bonds, your chances of a million are a massive 150 million-to-one. By comparison, your £1 Lottery ticket gives you a 14 million-to-one chance of becoming a millionaire.

If you hold £1,000 worth of bonds, your odds fall to 15 million-to-one. But even if you hold the maximum £30,000, your odds are still 500,000-to-one.

True, your bonds go back into the draw every month, whereas a losing Lottery ticket is just litter. But your average return is likely to be 1.5% and that ain’t great, especially when you can Earn 6% a year on safe investments.

A less than premium bond

 

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In defence of Ernie, that 1.5% average interest rate is free of tax. So if you are a 40% taxpayer, it is worth 2.5%. And 3% to a 50% taxpayer. But many Premium Bond holders will pay basic rate tax, or no tax at all, which means they are getting a raw deal.

 

And to be fair, that tax-free return of 1.5% is double the average savings account, which pays a taxable 0.7% or so. If you’re a lazy saver, who can’t be bothered switching their money around every year or two to secure the best rate, you could do worse than Premium Bonds.

But the prize rate is still disappointing. It isn’t even good by the standards of National Savings & Investments, the government-backed body that runs Premium Bonds and other savings plans.

Its Direct ISA pays a variable 2.5% - an astonishing 60% more - and is also tax free.

Ernie is beginning to take his loyal savers for granted. It is about time he was told.

If you need a regular income from your savings, don’t turn to Ernie. Your winnings are likely to be sporadic, and there may be periods when you win nothing at all.

Naughty old Ernie

By all means have a flutter on Premium Bonds. He’s still good for a giggle, cheeky old Ernie. But use your cash ISA allowance first for a reliable return. You can compare the latest cash ISA rates in our ISA comparison centre.

Premium Bonds work best for savers in higher tax bands, who already have a spread of savings and investments for regular income and growth, and want a little bit of excitement on the side.

The sad truth is that Ernie has lost the common touch. These days, he’s a rich man’s plaything. Who knew?

This is a classic lovemoney article that has been updated

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Comments (32)

  • baylisscrew3426
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    baylisscrew3426 said

    But then I have. Bit of a traditionalist maybe.

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  • comptroller
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    comptroller said

    In any form of gambling the house wins. There may be an infinitesimally small chance of winning the £1miilion prize but so are the odds on the lottery or euromillions and at least with Ernie you can get your money back, albeit ravaged by inflation.

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  • Mike10613
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    Mike10613 said

    The original ERNIE was built using thermionic valves and probably still uses them, the marketing of Premium Bonds is still in the 1950's, although I doubt if the salaries of the people running it are! A lot of the quaint, old fashioned stuff like Premium Bonds, the TV licence and most things run by the Post office or government need updating or scrapped.The TV licence criminalises thousands of British people who can't afford it every year - really stupid. Premium Bonds are gambling for the middle classes, most of whom have forgotten they have them. I don't think you will see them marketed using social media in the near future. They are better than buying a lottery ticket, in theory; but both are a rip off. David Cameron went on about the politicians, bankers, the press and the police being self serving in the Big Issue; they aren't the only ones! I agree with David Cameron that things need to change but I doubt if they will; corruption is too endemic. You can read my blog - I agree with David Cameron! - http://wp.me/p194MF-jn

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  • Quarket
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    Quarket said

    Have I got this right?

    Lets say you had £1,012 to invest and you have used up all of your ISA allowance and bought your allowance of idex linked savings certificates and were a higher rate tax payer to take the worst case, you could put £1000 into an instant access savings account and get around 2.75% gross interest or 1.65% net interest which is £16.50. You could buy one lottery ticket per month with the £12 left over and have much better odds at winning a decent prize and use the £16.50 interest next year to buy 16 tickets instead of 12 and still have instant access to all of your cash at any time?

    If that is right, Ernie doesn't seem very wise to me. Of course you have got the hassle of buying your own lottery tickets and switching to an account with a new bonus that provides around 2.75% interest for 12 months once a year, but even so, I think Ernie is taking people for a ride.

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  • francesfollin
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    francesfollin said

    Not sure about the comparison of Ernie and lottery. A one pound lottery ticket is drawn only once. Say you pay £100 for 100 lottery tickets and in the same week pay £100 for 100 premium bonds. The lottery tickets each have only one chance of being drawn - when the draw is over the money is lost for ever. With the premium bonds, the chance to win comes up every month - and you might live for 20 or 30 years (or more). Over 20 years you would have 24000 chances to win whereas the £100 pounds on the lottery gives only 100 chances to win. Is this taken into account when making these comparisons?

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  • tonygogo
    Love rating 13
    tonygogo said

    Harvey

    You are being a tad unfair here. PBs might not pay much interest, but it's better than most banks and building societies pay. Your bizarre alternative is 'safe' corporate bonds! An oxymoron surely? To a cautious investor, PBs are treated like any other type of investment, not gambling. The potential for loss is low, ie capital is 100% safe, and if you don't win anything, all you've lost is a combo of any of the rubbish rates of interest. Admittedly inflation will nibble away at the true value, but inflation does that to all investments. Potential for PB gains is huge, no matter how unlikly. LM and TMF are always banging on about diversifying investments, spreading the risk etc. PBs are the safe part of a balanced portfolio. Those who want to take bigger risks with their 'safe' money are welcome to do so, but others like the security with a chance of a monthly risk-free flutter thrown in. C'mon Ernie - defend yourself!

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  • Quarket
    Love rating 25
    Quarket said

    Francesfollin, I think I have taken into account the cost of the lottery tickets in my comparison in saying that the next years interest on the £1000 would buy 16 tickets so, the combination of interest and purchase of tickets cancel each other out, but you get more chances for your money (16 instead of 12) with a greater chance of a prize per ticket. Seems like you win two ways to me. Of course if you were a basic rate taxpayer, the net interest would be 2.2% so you could buy 22 tickets with your interest. Have I got this right?

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  • croconoll
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    croconoll said

    Ha Ha Ha, looking at this thread it has come back to my mind that i invested £3 when it first started, I have not had one win in over 45 years, that was all I could afford in those days as I was on very low wages, I cannot make up my mind whether I should withdraw them or not, this will take time to make up my mind. LoL.

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  • Mark Harmer
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    Mark Harmer said

    I've had many thousands from a house sale, sitting in various "savings" accounts and earning practically zip.

    I've had £45k in premium bonds (self + wife) and we've got about £100/month out of them. To be honest that's not much but far better than any of our savings accounts have paid (pro-rata), and at least the money is relatively safe - if they fail, we're all in the doo-doo anyway. I look on it as a decent savings scheme.

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  • DP130132
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    DP130132 said

    I have held the permitted maximum number of P.B.'s since the start. During this time the biggest prize I have won was £1000, many years ago. The next was a £500 prize.

    This year I have won 13 x £25. Paying the cheques into the Bank - £15.00 commission is deducted for each cheque!!! Therefore I have "won" £130.00 - BARCLAYS have won £195.00!!! Considering this fact, most of the calculations are incorrect???

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  • Quarket
    Love rating 25
    Quarket said

    DP130132 you must be kidding? Why would you have to pay any bank £15 for just paying in a cheque?

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  • eLJay
    Love rating 76
    eLJay said

    Yes but someone will win every time on the premium bonds (even though it is very low odds) but how many times has the different lottery draws rolled over without a winner? If you can find out the percentage of roll overs then you should also factor that into your odds as you are talking the straight odds per draw without the chances of noone winning per draw or at all (as they only seem to roll it over so many times).

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  • Mark Harmer
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    Mark Harmer said

    Croconoll - I've had the odd £1 languishing in my account since about 1960 - that one never won anything (compared with my more recent, larger holding) but I live in hope!

    It sounds funny but it's quite difficult to decide what do with your £3. You might as well leave them in there!

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  • Quarket
    Love rating 25
    Quarket said

    eL Jay, I don't do the lottery myself, but my understanding is that when there is a rollover, the prize money is "rolled over" to the next week, so that the next people who do win get more so the overall net payout ratio stays the same regardless of how many rollovers. If I am wrong, please correct me. Also much of the prize money is won every week through the smaller prizes which can be several thousand pounds in some cases and these are never rolled over because someone always wins due to the greater chance of getting a smaller prize.

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  • DP130132
    Love rating 20
    DP130132 said

    Barclays charge us - Minimum £15.00, plus 0.9% on large amounts. Possibly WE are doing their bail-out????

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  • DP130132
    Love rating 20
    DP130132 said

    I should have added that HSBC makes no charge. D.P

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  • Lovelyjoolz
    Love rating 7
    Lovelyjoolz said

    Surely you're missing the point? I invested £200 this year in premium bonds for my friends unborn child. Since February, I have won two prizes of £25. That's £50 TAX FREE. At my reckoning, that's a 25% return on a safe-as-houses investment!

    You can draw your money out any time you like, so why the hell NOT buy premium bonds???

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  • sodit
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    sodit said

    Harold Macmillan became Prime Minister in January 1957. He was not Chancellor of the Exchequor when Premium Bonds were first issued. He was Chancellor of the Exchequor in 1956 when the government's intention to issue them was announced.

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  • sodit
    Love rating 127
    sodit said

    I won £25 recently. Talk about ingratitude. If I get a cheque from the Premium Bonds, I would like to think that it would be really worth opening. I think that they should get rid of all the really large prizes and all the small prizes and only issue £20 000 prizes. This is a sum that would make a difference to most people, and this would improve the odds of persons winning a significant sum.

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  • rioandthelma
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    rioandthelma said

    I dragged out my old pbs and found one, for £1, dated 28 January 1975 still waiting for a win though. I think you could have bought almost two Morris Minors for £1,000 even taking in to account the roundabout 40% purchase tax.

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  • Chebby
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    Chebby said

    Kindly ask for your advice - I bought £150 Premium Bonds about 15 years ago and never received any prizes or notifications from PB. How can I check that my PB numbers are still in the draw and that my address contacts are updated in their data base? Thx

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  • lunartick
    Love rating 5
    lunartick said

    I bought a PB about 7yrs ago for £100 - and won £50! in the first year!!

    Been waiting for the big number to come up....

    Still, my money's safe from the robbers??

    Robbers as in burglars, not the government........ say no more.................

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  • harry2000
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    harry2000 said

    Reply for Chebby....

    You need your customer number from your premium bond and either call or use the web site.

    As long as you have not moved house since your bond purchase then chances are slim that you have won and not known about it.

    Good luck

    Harry...

    Keeping track of your Bonds

    The new Bond record, which shows details of all the Premium Bonds you hold, makes it easy for you to keep track. We’ll send you a new one every time you buy or cash in some Bonds, or reinvest prizes.

    It replaces Premium Bond certificates, so when you receive your first Bond record, simply check it against your existing Bond certificates and then you can safely destroy them.

    And if you register for our online service you’ll also be able to check your Bond numbers any time by logging in to our secure website.

    Web site: www.nsandi.com

    phone: 0500 007 007

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  • gablody
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    gablody said

    My brother won a million quid from ERNIE last year, and he only has a handful of certificates .... I wouldn't say that was rubbish!

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  • sludgeguts
    Love rating 54
    sludgeguts said

    It's all well and goot saying you can earn 6% in the bank - but for that you have to shop around for best deals, possibly keep shopping around, hope the bank isn't in Iceland (cough) AND when you do get your 6% interest, our most generous and bountiful government claw back a chunk of that in tax.

    The only way around it is if you are already filthy rich and can afford clever people who can get more than 6% interest & hide it from the taxman.

    No thanks, I am more than happy with my average £50 per month TAX FREE from ernie. And, as the article says, my raffle ticket goes back into the next draw. Al;so, at the end of the day, if things get tight, I can always cash in my tickets & get my money back - something else you can't do with the lottery

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  • sicilian
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    sicilian said

    If you hold the minimum £100 of bonds, your chances of a million are a vanishing 150 million to one. By comparison, your £1 Lottery ticket gives you a 14 million to one chance of becoming a millionaire (Harvey Jones)

    Do you mean 150 million to one per draw? If your £100 notionally earns £1.50 interest per year, and the draws are monthly, you are betting 12.5p per draw. So if you were betting £1, your odds would come down to 18 million to one, which is not that different from the 14 million to one you quote for the lottery.

    That said, the lottery is a much worse proposition than premium bonds. If you invest in premium bonds, your expected return is +1.5% per annum. If you invest in the lottery, your expected return is -50% per play, as only half the staked money goes into the prize fund. The house take is 50%. Contrast that with Mafia-run casinos, where the house take on various games is 2% to 5%.

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  • sicilian
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    sicilian said

    Al;so, at the end of the day, if things get tight, I can always cash in my tickets & get my money back - something else you can't do with the lottery (sludgeguts)

    No you can't. Premium bonds are a gamble just like any other. You're not betting the pound that you bought the bond with. You're betting the interest on that pound. That's your stake. If you don't win then you lose that stake. You can't ask for your stake back in the lottery, and similarly you can't ask for your interest back on your premium bond.

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  • Lovelyjoolz
    Love rating 7
    Lovelyjoolz said

    I think you should update your account DP130132 - if you have your winnings paid by direct debit no deductions will be made.

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  • ghewitt
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    ghewitt said

    If my bank tried to charged me £15 (or anything) for banking a personal cheque they would not be my bank anymore! You must be using a business account or something as none of my bank accounts charge including one at Barclays. As mentioned above, you can have winnings credited directly by bacs to your bank account now if you setup an online account at ns&i.

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  • DP130132
    Love rating 20
    DP130132 said

    Thanks for coments. I have now changed to HSBC who make no charge for cheques.

    Nsandi , i.e. Premium Bonds contact, will not accept our Barclays account for direct in payment of any win. Assumed they will not do this for any bank, but will try them with HSBC

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  • elcadobes
    Love rating 9
    elcadobes said

    My Premium Bonds have given me a better return than my Nationwide e-savings account over the last three years. If I win I treat it like a birthday present and use it to buy something special rather than saving it, so it gives me a thrill everytime as well.

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  • PoohBah
    Love rating 18
    PoohBah said

    As I hold well below the maximum, I opted years ago for automatic re-investment. I get typically four prizes per year, and most of these are now won by earlier re-invested prizes. Alas my very first bond - £1 bought in February 1967 - has never won anything, but I have had wins with consecutive numbers on a £5 bond. (I keep records - how sad is that?)

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