Earn 7.6% on your savings without going near a bank

Robert Powell
by Lovemoney Staff Robert Powell on 20 March 2011  |  Comments 20 comments

With public trust in banks still dwindling, a new personal way of earning interest by lending money directly to other people is flourishing. But is `social lending' really a practical alternative to traditional banking?

Earn 7.6% on your savings without going near a bank

A new set of peer-to-peer (P2P) or social lending websites have risen from the ashes of the recession and capitalised on the contempt that many of us now have for our banks. Essentially P2P lending sites cut out the financial middle-man and allow you to lend directly to other individuals or businesses. You choose how much you want to lend, who you want to lend to and how much interest they should pay.

But there are still important differences between the key players in this new social lending market – so let’s take a closer look at each site...

Zopa

Launched: March 2005

Amount lent to date: £125m

Lender fees: 1% of the amount lent

Average return: 8.6% over the last year (7.6% after fees but before bad debt)

Zopa is the big fish in the P2P pond and now makes up 2% of the unsecured personal loan market in the UK.

The site allows you choose the type of borrower you want to lend to, the level of risk you are prepared to take on and the interest rate you wish to receive. Your money is then lent out to several different credit checked borrowers to reduce the impact of any defaults. When a repayment is made by the borrower each month you receive a slice of your capital investment back, along with some interest.

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Zopa will also chase up any overdue payments using a debt collection agency or the courts if necessary. But despite these precautions, defaults do occasionally occur and can eat into profits.

Lenders can withdraw any remaining invested funds at any time by transferring the amount of unpaid debt to another user, subject to a 1% admin fee.

Zopa also runs a listing service that allows lenders to obtain more information about the individual borrowers and make manual loans of single amounts to whoever they wish to lend to.

Funding Circle

Launched: October 2010

Amount lent to date: £8m

Default rate: None so far (expected: 0.6% - 2.3% depending on risk)

Lender fees: 1% of monthly borrower repayments

Average return: 8.3% (7.3% after fees but before bad debt)

Funding Circle uses a similar model to Zopa with the key difference that you are lending your cash out to small businesses and not individuals.

All borrower companies are identity, fraud and credit checked by the site and must have at least two years of audited accounts to be eligible for a loan. The business set up a loan request indicating their target interest rate and lenders are invited to offer up their cash, specifying what rate they wish to receive. After bidding on the request has ended the lenders with the lowest interest rates will all take a stake in the loan.

The key attraction of Funding Circle is that you can view the type of business that your cash will go to, inspect their accounts and ask questions about what your money will be used for. An automatic lending tool is also available if you don’t fancy lending out your cash manually and like Zopa, Funding Circle will chase up any missed payments using a debt collection agency.

Ratesetter

Launched: October 2010

Amount lent to date: £2,625,892

Default rate: None so far (anticipated: lower than 1.4%)

Lender fees: 10% of interest received

Average return: 3.8% - monthly access, 7.9% - 3 year fixed (after fees and bad debt)

Ratesetter is a far more anonymous service than Zopa or Funding Circle. As a lender, you simply transfer in your funds and set the interest rate you want. Your request is then matched with a borrower who wants to pay the same interest rate on a loan.

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If your requested interest rate is too high and does not match with any loan requests then you can either lower your rate or be put in a first-come first-served queue until the higher interest rate becomes available.

Unlike Zopa and Funding Circle, if you lend out money on Ratesetter it will go to one single anonymous borrower. Because of this, Ratesetter have a provisional fund that borrowers pay into according to their credit-rating. This fund currently stands at £173,712 (around six times the anticipated amount of bad debt) and is designed to reimburse lenders in the event of any bad debt.

Ratesetter allows you to lend money out on a rolling monthly basis, where the interest rate will vary each month or lock up your cash for three years at a fixed rate.

YES-secure

Launched: June 2010     

Amount lent to date: Around £200,000

Default rate: None so far (expected: 3-12% depending on risk)

Lender fees: 0.9% of monthly borrower repayments

Average return: Advertised rates range from 9% - 35% (before fees and bad debt)

Quakle

Launched: October 2010

Amount lent to date: Around £18,000

Default rate: None so far (expected: 1%-3%)

Lender fees: Free

Average return: 20%+ (before bad debt)

I’ve grouped YES-secure and Quakle together because they are both much more on the social side of social lending. Both sites essentially act as a listing service where borrowers create loan adverts with details of their personal situation and why they need money. Both sites also credit check all their borrowers and attach this rating to each advert pitched.

You can review borrower profiles, make enquiries, consult reviews of the borrower and view their lending history before deciding whether to pledge an amount to the loan.

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Where next for P2P?

Personally I believe P2P lending sites are a welcome move away from the faceless nature of modern banking. But for this new sector to really achieve mainstream appeal, they’ll have to win over the bulk of the public who still simply distrust the idea of lending money to a total stranger.

Zopa have begun to do this through their rigorous credit checking and conservative lending practices. Yet the lack of regulation in the sector is a major turn off for a lot of people. Social lending sites are not registered with FSA and the deposits of lenders are not covered by the FSCS compensation scheme designed to protect against bankruptcy and default.

Most social lending sites have measures in place to ensure that you will get your money back if they go bust and stress the fact that the actual loan contract is between you and the borrower – the site is just the facilitator.

But P2P lending sites still urgently need the air of credibility that an authorised regulator can bring to a sector.

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  • grelly
    Love rating 27
    grelly said

    Hi,

    I have asked this before in connection with Funding Circle, but never received a reply.

    Zopa, when I looked at it some years ago, had a maximum of £30,000 that any individual can lend.

    Where does this limit come from?

    Is it still in force?

    Do any of the above sites also have a limit?

    Ta,

    Grelly

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  • Ted
    Love rating 8
    Ted said

    I wouldn't go near Quakle at the moment.

    Of 13 loans I have made, 4 have never paid and 3 are currently late.

    I am not sure if Quakle's credit checks are good enough or if their borrower chasing methods are strong enough.

    Ted

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  • UpHillAllTheWay
    Love rating 38
    UpHillAllTheWay said

    I have often been tempted, but have never lent money through one of these lending sites because of the term they all use " x.x% after fees but before bad debt"

    In Zopa's case, it has enough history to say what the bad debt was over the last year, so why does it express its figures as "Average return: 8.6% over the last year (7.6% after fees but before bad debt)"?

    How bad a figure are they hiding?

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  • BRCosin
    Love rating 2
    BRCosin said

    I have been putting in £100 per month into Zopa and into Funding Circle. I have noted no problems so far, but I am cautious (no big sum put in - HSBC and I think First Direct offer 8-10 % for regular savings schemes maxing at £300 p.m.

    Many baskets for whatever eggs I have is my slogan - so I looked at your account of RateSetter and see thier fee at 10% of interests is TEN times that of Zopa and of FC....what extra would one get for this? One of the others posts only 0.9%...

    Am I comparing like with like?

    Btw, if you take a look at Bullionvault (www.bullionvault.com) who hold gold and silver on an assigned basis (ie it is a warehouse not a bank, with the huge extra security that applies) mention my name B.R.Cosin (BenCosin) . Their founder, Paul Tustain, has posted an account of why in his view gold is worth more than £4000 per Troy ounce, well over double its current market price (because of the unreliability of the major currencies.....)

    Happy speculating

    Ben Cosin

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  • UpHillAllTheWay
    Love rating 38
    UpHillAllTheWay said

    @BRCosin - with reference to Bullionvault, bear in mind that when they say how gold is worth more than twice its present value, you have to ask "What's in it for them?"

    Of course they want you to buy gold - they make their money from transactions, so they will be keen to give everybody the confidence to buy in (ker-ching!) and eventually to sell again (ker-ching!). That leaves them with the gold they hold, and you can be sure that they won't be talking down its value!

    I have noticed a good few pundits who think that gold is due a tumble.

    For the record, I hold a bit of gold in BullionVault, and have made about 10% over the last year - but I'm feeling edgy.

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  • babyhk
    Love rating 7
    babyhk said

    I am very naive about this ... what amount do people lend out and how long for.If information is so vague it puts the frighteners on most people ..would anybody like to give a positive personal experience or as a journalist surely they must of gathered good info from somewhere....with such positive writing have they not tried it themselves?

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  • Loansyo.com
    Love rating 0
    Loansyo.com said

    To UpHillAllTheWay: just to be objective about Zopa, they don't hide bad debt data, but bad debt rates will differ from 0.5% to 3.1% depending very much on the market to which you are lending and on the loan term. Estimated bad rates for each separate category can be found on Zopa's site in FAQs section.

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  • LastChip
    Love rating 92
    LastChip said

    Misleading title.

    Bad debt is alive and well at Zopa.

    I can tell you from experience, bad debt has an important impact on the rate you finally achieve and in this climate, I fear it's not going to get any better.

    I'm not suggesting for one moment, Zopa is any worse than any other comparable institution, but don't run away with idea you can just lend money and achieve 7.6%.

    You need to fully understand what you're going into, be prepared to take the risks and have the ability to price your offers at a realistic rate. This will inevitably lead to it taking longer for you to lend, as there are individuals there (for whatever reason), offering low rates which in my view are uneconomic. Furthermore, while your money is sitting in its holding account, it's earning nothing. Further eating into your overall return.

    If you are really lucky, you could conceivably achieve that 7.6% (assuming you don't get any bad debt), but in the real world, and in my experience, that doesn't happen.

    To spell it out, you can loose money and I have, but still have achieved an overall profit.

    There have also been some objectionable changes to the overall concept from when Zopa first started; not least of which is charging lenders to lend money. Where else would you be charged to lend!?

    So in conclusion, it is another revenue possibility, but far from a panacea.

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  • billyboy121
    Love rating 18
    billyboy121 said

    grelly said 'Zopa, when I looked at it some years ago, had a maximum of £30,000 that any individual can lend. Where does this limit come from?'

    it's consumer credit legislation - over that and you needed a licence from the OFT. I have a vague recollection that this has changed, have a look at the OFT website for more information.

    I've been with Zopa from the start and lost about £70 to bad debt. A tiny percentage compared to the healthy gains I've made (although the rates have dropped a few points since the glory days, not surprisingly). I can't speak for other lenders but I think the risk profile is pretty manageable.

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  • Savvy chic
    Love rating 20
    Savvy chic said

    Ben Cosin I can't believe that HSBC or First Direct or anyone else for that matter are paying anything like 8-10% for regular monthly savings of £300 a month! Please do correct me if I'm wrong!

    I've always been afraid of these social lending things because of bad debt. I noticed the other night that on a TV advert for short term loans from one of these shops on high streets - Cheque something in this case - the APR was 240%. Another one, which lends amounts up to £1000 for only a maximum of up to 30 or 31 days is charging an APR of well over 1000%! Of course, no loan is for as long as a year. I think that to tempt me into lending on Social sites, the interest rates offered might have to be similar to these! I do think they're obscene but so many people these days just won't pay their debts.

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  • RocketSteve
    Love rating 30
    RocketSteve said

    Err, Mr Powell "Social lending sites are not registered with FSA and the deposits..."

    This taken from Quakle's website...:

    'Quakle is registered with HMRC under the Money Laundering Act 2007 number 12523429 and is registered with the Financial Services Authority under the Payment Service Regulations 2009 number 521836 for the provision of payment services. Quakle is also registered with the Information Commissioner's Office under number Z2225461.'

    @Savvy chic: My friend has an account wiht HSBC and it does pay 8% on savings BUT, and a hugh BUT, you have to pay for account services of £12.50 per month (I thnk) for the privelage. My friend likes this idea, but doesn't save and so is playing into the hand of HSBC...just what they want!

    I definitely don't get anything near 8% with First Direct. Maybe for new customers'.

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  • Mike10613
    Love rating 599
    Mike10613 said

    babyhk - sorry missed your comment, I did put my own money in and tried it for a year and so write positively about Zopa - but warn that it is not as secure as a bank. t doesn't have the FSA guarantee if Zopa were to go broke but it's fairly diverse and secure as an investment with some risk.

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  • unimatrix0
    Love rating 1
    unimatrix0 said

    I have a FD account, and it does pay 8% p.a., but remember that this is a regular saver, so you only get the 8% p.a. on the first months deposit (second month is 11/12ths of 8%, down to twelveth month which is 1/12th of 8%).

    I used to work for HSBC and they do offer 10%, but again it is on regular savings, not a lump sum. Also it is only available on their top two current accounts; one which is free if you have loads of money, and one which you pay for (£12.95pm) if you dont.

    I have been an investor with Zopa for about two years now and, touch wood, have no bad debt (although I do have 6 loans in 'late' or 'arrangement' status). Zopa splits the borrowers into different categories according to risk ranging from A* to C, Y (young) and 'listings'. After flailing around a bit when I started I now only lend to A* borrowers (lowest risk) currently I am getting a return of 6.59% after fee (but before bad debt AND tax), although the spread of my loans goes from 5.99% to 14.09%.

    I recently joined FundingCircle too, but as it is very new have very limited exposure to it. So far my returns there look to be around 8.0%.

    Neither Zopa or FundingCircle are covered by the FSA compensation, but when you look at the business model it is hard to see how they could fail (charging lenders to lend and borrowers to borrow) - how many other businesses make a profit from both customers AND suppliers?

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  • Yorkstyke
    Love rating 89
    Yorkstyke said

    I may be being impatient but I am not over impressed with the results I have had from Zopa so far.

    I have been a member for a month, made several offers and the best accepted rate so far is 5% which, after Zopa have taken their commission and allowing for tax at 20% equates to an absolute return of 3.2% nett which I am already beating through various instant access bank accounts whereas my money is tied up for 3 years with Zopa.

    As I see it, Zopa is fine for borrowers but I'm not so sure about lending, I guess that a lot of lenders do not really know the true return they are getting after tax.

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  • unimatrix0
    Love rating 1
    unimatrix0 said

    Yorkstyke - not sure how you are lending! I have set my rate at 6.8% for A* only and it gets lent out within a day or so. Also, Although you lend out over 3 or 5 years repayments are made every month, so you can withdraw some of you cash whenever you want. A crude example is if you lent out £360 over 3 years you should see £10/m (+ 1/12th of your chosen interest rate - 1/12 of the 1% fee). There is also a 'rapid return' feature (quite new) that allows you to sell on your loans if you need you money out quicker - although I haven't really looked into that yet.

    I agree if you are only getting 3.2% you can probably do better on the high street.

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  • eightyg
    Love rating 0
    eightyg said

    Hello all

    First up, I will declare an interest - I work at RateSetter and am part of the management team there. I'm not here to "sell" - I hope I will be allowed to contribute to the debate! I did however want to clear up a couple of inaccuracies and offer a perspective. Will strap on my tin hat and await the fallout...

    2 misconceptions..

    Firstly the P2P industry IS regulated by the OFT (as pointed out by @billyboy121). None of the P2P providers' operations is regulated by the FSA - I understand Quakle holds a registration with the FSA for payment services - as it implies this is regulation on how money is transferred, and has nothing to do with consumer credit. The likelihood is that the FSA and OFT will merge later this year - and where I would agree with Robert, is that the hope is that this will both clarify the public perception that P2P is somehow under-regulated.

    Secondly - and slightly defensively - @BRCosin, no you're not comparing like with like, I'm afraid. RateSetter charges lenders 10% of interest earned, and Zopa charges 1% of the value of the loan. The charges to lenders are comparable in the 36 month markets, I'll leave it at that.

    One perspective:

    My view is that P2P has taken off over the last couple of years because more and more people have had to face up that there is risk in the banking system. "Alternative investments" have therefore had more focus and interest both from savvy individuals and the press alike.

    What might hold P2P back is the perceived increased risks of lending P2P compared to a traditional savings product - which the sector must work hard to put in context, and secondly, that most P2P operators necessarily operate quite involved models which require the lender to have an appreciation/appetite for risk.

    As promised, I won't bang on about RateSetter's approach or why we're different, but I would say, to @Last Chip's point, I have no doubt that all Lenders at RateSetter in our 36 month market will receive 7.6% (or better, our most recently matched loan was 8.5%) on all their current loans.

    (worth noting though, as more lenders come into the market we fully expect that to be driven down to more competitive levels of credit.)

    Anyway, hope this was of help/relevance

    Cheers

    @eightyg

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  • Mike10613
    Love rating 599
    Mike10613 said

    @eightyg, that is a useful post. I have received 8% over the past year from Zopa; but dropped my rates because of lack of demand to get the cash lent out quicker. I have increased rates again on A* and dropped them on the B group of borrowers. I expect to continue to get around 8% on existing loans but around 6% on new ones and I will accept loans from other lenders through Rapid Return - so their money isn't tied up for 3 years. It is an option to lend through more than one social lender - so diversifying risk and sending a clear message to the bankers.

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  • bob2000
    Love rating 0
    bob2000 said

    Well, Yorkstyke, it sounds as if you are only trying to lend via listings if all you are getting is 5%. At present listings are operating in a strange manner with people offering loans at rates that are nonsensical ( and it sounds as if you are one of them).

    Try lending in the markets instead: at present you can get about 6.9% for A* 36month

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  • mikesarre
    Love rating 0
    mikesarre said

    I am a fan of Zopa have been with them nearly 2 years now i have over 500 micro loans and only 2 bad debts so have lost very little but gained much more as i keep my loans generally to no more than £20 making the risk is well spread. another thing which gives me confidence is you can see how they make their money and the comunications you get I have had several late payers move ther repayment dates to help borrowers make the repayments. my current efective rate is 10% before the dreaded payment to the taxman and that is after bad debt.

    I am sure others will have different experiences as it is down to the lender to chose risk v reward I have chosen a more risky strategy which so far has proved to work well for me. I also review my account weekly including changing my rates to lend at so gaining best rates for me.

    one final note as someone said earlier do not put all your eggs in one basket.

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  • osirio
    Love rating 0
    osirio said

    It's a great idea, but paying 40% income tax (if you happen to earn more than 35K p.a.) massively reduces its appeal. At least until this new sector is regulated and made eligible for stock and shares ISA.

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