8 Foolish Tips For A Perfect Pension

Jane Baker
by Lovemoney Staff Jane Baker on 15 January 2009  |  Comments 40 comments

If you've resolved to start a pension in 2009, here's everything you need to know to help you plan for your retirement.

Did 2008 pass you by and still no pension? If it looks like money could be tight this year, you might have put your pension on the back burner again. But getting started can be easier -- and cheaper -- than you think. So make it your resolution to start saving for your retirement now.

If you find pensions a bit of a minefield (and who doesn't!), read my Foolish friend, Serena Cowdy's series Pensions For Beginners: The Complete Guide.

Remember pensions don't have to be hard work if you follow these Foolish tips. So, first things first...

1. Which pension?

That's the big question with so many plans on the market. But which one should you choose? I would say don't waste your time on high-charging, old school schemes. By this I mean personal pensions sold by life insurance companies which have been around for donkey's years. These schemes have got some pretty bad press for being expensive and performing badly.

I'm much keener on the new style SIPP -- otherwise known as a self-invested personal pension. SIPPs give you far more freedom when it comes to choosing where to invest your pension money and are more flexible when you want to retire.

If you feel adventurous you can even put individual shares in your SIPP. (But don't worry if that sounds too scary. You can take the easy route by investing in a tracker fund instead. More to come on that in a moment.)

SIPPs used to charge high, flat fees which were only cost effective for people who had pretty big pensions already. Luckily, all that has changed. A new low cost version has made SIPPs affordable for many more of us and some can be run easily online too.

I like the Vantage SIPP run by Hargreaves Lansdown because it's flexible and low cost. But there are plenty of other plans on offer too.

2. Start now even if your contribution is small

Something is always better than nothing. Even if you can only afford a small contribution to begin with, it can still grow into a decent pension pot by the time you retire.

Look at it this way: Say you're 25 and you pay £50 a month into your pension until you reach 65. At 65, your pension pot would be worth £48,000*.

Now imagine you wait until you're 45 to start your pension but, to make up for lost time, you decide to pay in £100 a month until you're 65. Which route would leave you better off?

Sadly, if you put off your pension until 45, your pot will only be worth around £33,000* - even though you doubled your contribution over twenty years to make up for the fact you started late.

This is my top tip: Pensions need lots of time to grow. The earlier you start the better.

3. Top-up whenever you can

Did you know new rules allow you to invest up to 100% of your earnings into a pension (up to a maximum of £235,000 this tax year)? Don't panic, I'm not suggesting you plough your entire salary into your pension plan! But it does mean you can top your pension up with extra money -- such as bonuses or pay rises -- whenever you like. Remember a well-fed pension is a happy pension!

4. Increase your contributions every year to keep pace with inflation

This is really important because £100 invested today won't be worth nearly as much in 20 or 30 years' time. If you can afford it, I would suggest increasing your contributions over time to keep ahead of inflation (rising prices). Right now inflation is rising at a rate of 3% (as measured by the Retail Prices Index) so try to step up contributions by at least this amount each year.

5. Take up your employer's offer (if there is one)

Is your employer good enough to pay some money into your pension? If there's an offer like this on the table, it'll almost certainly be worth taking it up. Typically, an employer might agree to double the contribution you want to make. That means you've got twice the money pouring into your pension without having to pay anything more out of your own pocket. It's effectively free money. Can't be bad!

6. Think about trackers

If the idea of picking your own investments for your pension scares the heck out of you -- or you simply can't be bothered -- (and let's face it, there are far more fun things to do!) why not put your pension money in an index-tracking fund?

This type of fund aims to replicate -- or track -- the performance of a particular share index. For example, a FTSE 100 tracker fund will invest in all the companies quoted on the index and should produce the same return. So roughly speaking, if the FTSE 100 grows by 5% your fund should grow by 5% too.

By investing in a tracker you don't need to pick any stocks yourself, and the fees are likely to be lower than on any other fund. For more help on choosing the right fund read The Simplest Investing Strategy.

7. Keep your eye on the ball

So you've got your pension up and running at last. That's great. Now all you need to do is keep an eye on how well it's doing. Don't be panicked by short-term dips in value. That's all part of being invested in the stock market. But if it seems to be doing noticeably worse than other similar schemes, then you may need to rethink how your pension is invested.

8. And finally if you still don't have a clue

If all this is as clear as mud (I hope it won't be), don't forget you can speak to a good independent financial adviser for more help.

But don't delay - make 2009 the year you finally start a pension!

*Assumptions: Pension grows at 7% a year and charges of 1% a year are deducted. Values have been adjusted to take account of inflation at a rate of 2.5% a year. Contributions increase by 2.5% a year.

More: Are Pensions Always Worth It? | Is Now A Good Time For Me To Start A Pension?

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  • owalter
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    owalter said

    I suggest that, as with so many financial matters, you should spread the risk. In the case of pensions this means (to me) having more than one scheme. You are not limited to a single plan (e.g. one insurance company policy or one SIPP scheme). You are, of course, limited in how much you can contribute in total to all your schemes in a year.

    Maybe the relatively recent introduction of "income drawdown" and the concept of SIPPs makes this less important than it was when I started my pension contributions over 30 years ago, but I still think it's worth considering for the flexibility and spread of risk that it gives.

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  • foolishone45
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    foolishone45 said

    Oh Jane No! A thousand times No!

    Advocate saving, yes. But not putting money into a pension fund for that is now for mugs. In return for modest tax benefits, your money is locked away for years where you can’t get at it. The main beneficiaries are the Government and the insurance companies. The former tinkers with the rules every five minutes and grabs back the tax benefits and more; the latter scalps you with fees and commissions. If invested, those investments go down as well as, occasionally, up. It always seems to be more of the former and less of the latter. If the value goes down it’s your fault for choosing a bad investment; if up, it is the genius fund managers. Eventually, the pot of money has by law to be invested in an annuity and almost invariable annuity rates will be low when the moment arrives. A pot of about £30k is needed just to pay your council tax much of which is used to pay public sector index-linked pensions. Moreover, once into an annuity you can’t get out. The Government and the insurance companies see to that. And who provides the annuity – an insurance company, skimming and scalping you again. And that insurance company is supposed to be regulated by the FSA – the Government - but what happens when the insurance company annuity provider runs into trouble? The Government says it’s your own fault for not taking enough trouble in choosing the right annuity with the right insurance company. Oh no Jane, no Jane no! Please don’t advocate investing in a stand alone pension fund to the young. Tell them to spend, spend and spend for the Government will take care of you in your old age.

    AFO

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  • sstudent
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    sstudent said

    I have to agree with foolishone above, pensions are no longer attractive & I for one do not consider them so. My plan is simply to save into isas for my retirement I do have a few old work pensions but that is that. I do not trust pensions, pension providers or governments. The recent economic problems, the equitable life scandal says it all. Add to that one is penalised for having a pension these days through the abomination that is means testing! So NO to pensions.

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  • vurrister
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    vurrister said

    I think 'Foolishone' and 'Sstudent' between them have just provided the real reasons why so many became attracted into residential property - they saw it (and were encouraged to) as a better option than a pension and it has been plain to see why?

    So the doomsters that follow Cliff D'Arcey and the like now have the real reasons - not greed but perceived shelter!!!!

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  • debtwagon
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    debtwagon said

    Me too, completely agree with foolishone45 - apart from the spend, spend, spend bit! - and sstudent. As it happens, I phoned Standard Life yesterday to get the current transfer value of my modest plan: amount paid in since 2002 = £32k, transfer value = £36k, that's £10k less than the luscious illustrative figures given to me five years ago. Waste of time. Oh ... and I've got another small pension too - with trustworthy Equitable Life! In that time-honoured phrase: NO ... NO ... NO!

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  • pdcovers
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    pdcovers said

    As a person who contributed to a pension directly or indirectly by myself or via an employer for 39 years before I retired early in 2003 I can only recommend a pension to all. I do live on my pension and do not have to fear means tested income and life without a car, foreign holidays etc.

    I am not finished yet and still have one small occupational pension, a stakeholder pension (which I still contribute to) and the state pension to also look forward to in the future when I get older.

    For anybody starting off (and who does not have assess to an employers pension) I can only recommend retirement savings, a stateholder pension and a tracker fund.

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  • jamesetaylor
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    jamesetaylor said

    If you're looking for SIPPs, check out the Alliance Trusts offerings, which were the cheapest on the market when I took one.

    As a higher rate tax payer I am very much pro-pension.

    A pension is a long term investment vehicle subject not only to market risks but -- as mentioned above -- legislative and political risk too.

    However the tax benefits are not minimal. They amount to an immediate 67% uplift in the capital value of my contributions (I pay 60p, Darling pays 40p) as compared with an ISA contribution (I pay 60p, Darling pays nothing).

    Eventually I will pay tax on the payments made out of the pension but they will likely be at a much lower proportion than if I had poughed all the money into ISAs, savings accounts and other non-pension investments.

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  • jag1984
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    jag1984 said

    Now I'm confused?! I'm a 24 yr old trainee accountant with a local government and have been offered a pension which they will double wot I put in, should I take this option up or perhaps try a savings account and maybe another form of pension? Thing is people my age are unsure of wot is the best method for saving for the future.

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  • Strebor19
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    Strebor19 said

    I would recommend saving for a pension as early as possible. Debtwagon, you are complaining about a low return on your investment of £32K in the last 5 years of only 4K. You forget that when you invest in a pension you also get the Income Tax back on the money you put in. So out of your £32K you would of only had £26K @20% tax or £20K @40% to invest in non Pension related product depending if you are a high rate tax payer or not. So if you are a high rate tax payer you have made a £16000 return on £20000 in just 5 years. Seems good to me!

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  • Strebor19
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    Strebor19 said

    Jag1984, Take it quick, if you are working for the local government it will be a final salary pension. YOU will not find a better Scheme anywhere and there is no risk.

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  • Strebor19
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    Strebor19 said

    Jag1984, Also even if it is not a final Salary Pension on offer, if they Double what you put in then you are getting a 100% profit on your investment on day one. I am not an accountant but even I can see that is a fantastic return. Not only that your half of the contribution will be made before tax. So if you put in £100 you would only see £80 in your pay packet anyway. Hence in reality £80 Cash to you sees £200 going into a pension fund, which is a 250% increase on day one!! Good luck with your Training.

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  • SiGl26
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    SiGl26 said

    jag1984 - flippant I know, but if a trainee accountant can't recognise a good deal when it hits him in the face, maybe he's in the wrong career?

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  • glad69fool
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    glad69fool said

    Jag1984, Strebor19 is right, not just because you would be on a final salary scheme at the taxpayer's expense, but also because your employer is matching your contributions to encourage you to invest in a pension.

    Currently the public sector has a final salary scheme, but do not rely on that alone. That may well go as a consequence of this government's wild borrowing. It has largely gone in the private sector and the public sector will eventually lose their fight with reality.

    So best have another good reason to buy into your employer's scheme.

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  • budgetcarl
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    budgetcarl said

    Jag1984, I definately agree with Strebor19 - take it as quickly as you can!

    Final Salary Pensions are a rarity nowadays, pdcovers most likely got one when they started their pension 39 years ago as that was the norm.

    Unfortunately now most company pensions are money purchase and don't guarantee an income when it comes to retirement. Private pensions are based on the same concept. When you do come to cash in your pension you have to purchase an annuity. I previously worked in the pension industry and the annuity rate when I left was about 26. Therefore with a pot of £48k you could expect a pension of around £1800pa.

    Not that appealing really!

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  • Guynextdoortype
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    Guynextdoortype said

    Vurrister is spot on with his analyisis and sums my position up perfectly. Years of scrimping and saving to pay in to 3 pension schemes, only to watch the values fall and fall thru the 90's, one a so called 'pension mortgage' not maturing with enough to cover the mortgage never mind a huge lump sum that was promised. I'd get letters informing me funds were being transferred, companies taken over, charges increased, annuity values plumetting, etc, most of which I didn't understand why or had any control over.

    I turned to property around 2000, and even with the current falls in values, at least I know where my money is, what its worth, and feel a more in control than I did when I only had pensions. In contrast I have a brother who looks has saved nothing, been in debt most his life, paid little tax and is just a spender, and as we both approach retirement, from what I can see (and he knows!), with the current benefit system, he'll be better off than me! Great message to his kids and youngsters just starting out eh! Who to blame? I'm with foolishone45 - right on the money! Bitter, me - you bet!

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  • supersol42
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    supersol42 said

    For those not in employer schemes, a rough test is how much in total you think you can amass in pension savings before you retire. Very approximately, if the figure is less than £50,000, don't bother, as it will do you little or no good, because of the Pension Credit.

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  • Johnmoore100
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    Johnmoore100 said

    Am I being a little stupid here but why do you not mention stakeholder pensions here. Over a 20 to 30 year period they can make a significant contribution to your pension pot and COST NOTHING!!! It really annoys me when supposed experts start advising on pensions and not one ever mentions that it is a cost free option. Yet again the experts are lining their pockets - I have dealt with 'experts' all my life and have come to realise that very few are there really for my benefit - an total and absolute disgrace

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  • Trackaman
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    Trackaman said

    There is some very misleading stuff being posted here. I invested in a low cost Sipp and regularly purchased FTSE 100 ETFs. This kept commisioins and overheads low. I moved my investment towards a Corp bond ETF as I neared retirement. I did NOT purchase an annuity, but went into drawdown (after taking 25% tax free). I still have the remainder invested (mostly in bond ETFs) which are paying me the same as an annuity would have done. I cannot emphasise enough that starting early, drip feeding your funds into a low cost tracker is absolutley the right thing to do. Even someone not earning can get an immediate 25% return on a pension input of upto 2,800 pa. Compound this up over 20-30 years, and it really mounts up. And don't worry about market gains or losses - the real payback is in the dividends anyway - and yes they will pick up again. So if you are young - get yourself a low cost Sipp and drip your money into an ETF tracker. Don't listen to the other rubbish being spouted here or you will end up poor in your old age! Your choice.

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  • springerwood
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    springerwood said

    my employer has just annouced that they are eliminating all contributions to our pensions to reduce operating costs. A stakeholder pension will be started in the next 3 months. I was making additional personal contributions to my pension as my employer added 50% of my additional contribution (free money).

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  • MikeGG1
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    MikeGG1 said

    Jane

    You really have written an ill-thought-out article.

    The first place to start is whether there is a company pension scheme on offer. Don't put it down at item 5. You also don't mention the fact that the company also pays for scheme charges and very likely for death benefits as well.

    Then, how can you write an article on pensions without mentioning tax, tax relief, tax-free cash sums, etc?

    Also, as a financial journalist, you seem to have very little grasp of inflation. The year-on-year figure that you quote is now historic. The true situation can only be seen by looking at the monthly index figures. They reached a peak in Sept.2008 and have been falling ever since. Therefore the current inflation rate is negative and not +3% as you seem to think. The message of paragraph 4 was correct even though you made 2 mistakes in the paragraph.

    Also you made no reference to 'Lifestyling'. People do worry about possible collapses of the values of their funds shortly before retirement, as has happened recently. They need to know that there are mechanisms available to prevent that from occurring.

    You also refer to a 25-year-old retiring at 65, without mentioning that that 25-year-old would have a State Pension Age of 68. For your own information, here is a calculator for people to get their own SPA: http://www.thepensionservice.gov.uk/state-pension/age-calculator.asp

    Mike

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  • Yorkstyke
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    Yorkstyke said

    The best way to plan for your retirement is to jump on the gravy train and get a job in the public sector.

    That is, unless a future government grasps the nettle and carries out the long overdue reforms to the public sector and it's pension arrangements in particular. Unlikely, given the trade union power to blackmail.

    We now have a Soviet Russia situation in this country where a chosen few (the public sector)are "key workers" and therefore have the priviledges, in this case, a final salary pension.

    Unlike Russia though, this priviledge is paid for by taxes on the wealth creating private sector which, hopefully, one day will wake up and see the immorality of this situation.

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  • Luniversal
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    Luniversal said

    There is no such thing as a "perfect pension"-- least of all now, as so many who paid patiently into one for years are ruefully discovering.

    I wish TMF's headline writer would knock this fatuous hyperbole on the head, along with words such as amazing, sensational and super applied to the latest gimmick mortgage or usurious credit card.

    The times are no longer ripe for such happy talk. We're all suddenly more grown up.

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  • Brim81
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    Brim81 said

    As a keyworker in the public sector, I have to agree that paying into the final salary pension scheme provides me with a security that is unmatched.

    However surely if the wealth creating private sector wished to treat its workers to a final salary pension scheme it could?

    But then that may reduce the amount of money that is available for private healthcare, company cars and the niuce hefty bonuses on offer each year!#

    'immoral' - i think not!

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  • Yorkstyke
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    Yorkstyke said

    With respect Brim81 you miss the point.

    Of course the fat cats get more than their fair share BUT and this is the crucial difference, the private sector finances itself or fails. The public sector lives off the taxes of the majority of the population.

    Why should a proportion of my council tax go to subsiding council employees pensions when I am paying this iniquitous tax out of my already taxed income?

    Incidentally, did you receive TMF's email recently advertising CS Healthcare which offers dirt cheap private healthcare for current and ex civil servants?

    Just like communism, "All men are equal but some are more equal than others"

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  • debtwagon
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    debtwagon said

    Jag1984, yes, despite my earlier comments, which apply to my situation of self-employment, TAKE IT. Your employer is contributing and that makes a heck of a difference!

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  • ducatidave
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    ducatidave said

    Firstly save for your retirement. Then decide where to put the money. If your employer has a final salary scheme that's greta. If not then they will probably contribute to your pot. My employers matched my contribution and what a massive difference that made. Then I think it's just a question of what you do with your pension money. Open a SIPP and don't put it in shares till the market improves. You can keep it in cash and spread it if over £50k. The other question at the moment is which banks are giving the best rates of interest at the moment. If any body knows please post a list cos I'm looking! PS Don't go to financial advisers who want to make money out of you as their first prioirty!

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  • debtwagon
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    debtwagon said

    Strebor19, point taken re tax relief. I'm probably vexed about the fact that it was worth £43k last July!

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  • debtwagon
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    debtwagon said

    Trackaman, you describe exactly what I'm thinking of doing, i.e. take lump sum and put rest in drawdown. Please clarify meaning of "ETF". And where would Fools advise me to put the SIPP fund?

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  • debtwagon
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    debtwagon said

    Don't worry folks, I've realised it's Exchange Traded Funds and I'm reading all about them now!

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  • colin106
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    colin106 said

    I go with FoolishOne45. Yes, I was able to draw 25% of my pot tax free, but that still left 75% of MY money under strict controls over how much of it I may draw a year, and then at 75 I must invest in an annuity, now paying pitifully low rates like 5% of my capital/year. If I die after a few years, guess who gets the money. Yes, there is an alternative way to not invest in an annuity which isn't much of an alternative - but why are we treated like irresponsible children? - and why do we put up with it? In the USA, as an example, if you say manage to accumulate a pension pot of $500,000, you can pay the tax of about 40% and draw the rest.

    So, forget pension plans - pay tax on your earnings and invest your savings as well as you can, invest in ISA's, and when you finish working you should have a nice pot of money WHICH IS UNDER YOUR CONTROL.

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  • foolishone45
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    foolishone45 said

    Of course I was being a little facetious with my comments – but only a little.

    To put your mind at rest jag1984, of course you should go into your public sector pension fund. It is the best there is and a Labour Government isn’t going to change matters. – so the other thing you should do is vote Labour at the next election as the Conservatives might try given the parlous state of Government finances.

    Moreover, pensions may be for those lucky enough to benefit from top-rate tax relief and likely to build up a fund of above £100k. Otherwise I was quite serious. What applied in the past will not apply for the future. Brown has done for pensions as they were – other than for those in the public sector. With SIPPs and Stakeholders of less than a £100k why bother? You simply lose control of your funds. Insurance companies are not really interested in small pots of money and their fees can be extortionate unless you want to do it yourself and jag1974 strikes me as someone not in that position – as most are. Besides someone like Brown might come along in the future and decide to change the rules. Then you are most likely to have to buy an annuity.

    Just look at those having to retire today – investment markets shot to pieces, if they want to trade down their home, it is not worth what it was even if they could sell it, annuity rates abysmal, savings rates near zero, etc. etc. And while today’s market conditions are severe they are by no means untypical. No stick your savings in those tax-free TESSAs and things invented by John Major and plagiarised by Brown. At least you can get at them in case of need.

    AFO.

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  • dimenow
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    dimenow said

    I disagree ducatidave. Now is exactly the time when you should be drip feeding money into a tax free investment via a tracker fund. Waiting until markets are on the way up again will mean you have missed the boat. Get your money in now while the FTSE is in the doldrums - this is the best way of improving your chances of making a real difference to how much your fund will grow.

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  • SBJames
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    SBJames said

    The Civil Service no longer offers a final salary scheme for new enterance, and has not done so since 30th July 2007.

    http://www.civilservice-pensions.gov.uk/scheme_information/nuvos.html

    The scheme has to be one of the best non FS schemes going, but it certainly is NOT FS.

    Not sure about the local government scheme, but wouldn't be surprised if that was similar.

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  • Rich99999
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    Rich99999 said

    The bold text at the start of the arcticle says "If you've resolved to start a pension in 2009, here’s everything you need to know to help you plan for your retirement."

    So, if you assume that the reader has already resolved the ISA/Pension choice, then its a reasonable article, isn't it?

    For those complaining that their pension investment has dropped from x to y in the last 12 months, assuming you had paid the same amount into an ISA, into the same investment choices, do you think you'd have more money?

    For those chanting ISA ISA ISA, do you believe that there are no circumstances where a pension product may be a better bet for an individual? How about a single, heavy smoker, who is a high rate tax payer now but expects to be a basic rate tax payer in retirement? What about spend addicts, who can't trust themselves to leave their ISA savings alone? What about people who's employers offer to match or better their contributions?

    Planning for retirement differs by individual; for some a pension makes sense, for others they are the work of the devil and ISA/Property/Other is the way to go. However, ranting about what's right for you on a site where people with less understanding and entirely different circumstances without providing a balanced view is a risky business.

    And yes, maybe the article should have framed its subject matter better in this respect.

    Sorry for the rant, touched a nerve there I think.

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  • mjh24
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    mjh24 said

    So many choices...

    Having read various Motley Fool boards discussing pensions over the last few weeks regarding pensions I emailed my financial advisor regarding my concerns.

    I pooleed all my pension holdings into an AXA SIPP around 18 months ago, and it has a current value of around £185,000. I currently contribute £1000 per month into this SIPP.

    My financial advisors' view was that I should continue... (Is this my best option?) I earn around £37000pa and take up to £10,000 PA in dividends, so I'm not paying much tax at the 40% rate. (And how long / much does he keep earning commission off this AXA introduction?)

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  • dodge66
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    dodge66 said

    With all these comments/advise for and against pensions, I am still sceptical/unsure about pension and the Finaiancial Advisor "service" offered.

    Unless you have a sound knowledge of the current options available and how you expect the market to move there are little alternatve but to resort to a "Independent" Adviisor, but the last 2 I enquired with are only interested in "slagging off" the previous Advisor stating that what they say is best and switching everything. I can only think that their commisson is more of a driving factor than the overall "service" they claim to offer.

    How does one find an Advsior who is willing to offer a balance approach without fleecing the client?

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  • leslie48
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    leslie48 said

    Interesting how the Right Wing are now ganging up on the Public Sector pensions as they obviously feel this an area where they can reduce public spending. For many decades it was felt right that our public servants should at least have a reasonable pension. Not now.

    But of course the police, prison wardens, school teachers, the hospital nurses, job centre clerks, local government carers...have spent years working in threadbare offices, often being in difficult & stressed environments as they try to run society for the common good, often keeping the underclass from implosion, while being subject to intense monitoring & little status and often poor to piddling pay rates.

    These people will of course pay anyway for the "balls up" of financial capitalism -as all govenments but I fear especially the Conservatives will shrink and squeeze these poor public sector employees who have little idea anyway of what a traders' 'bonus' is like.

    You can rest assured the Daily Mail will keep up its attack on these public sector pension privileges & then our public servants will truly look like their eqivalents in some run down Latin American local office. Lets hope their unions do have the balls to combat the continuing crisis of financial capitalism & its pernicous afternath.

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  • foolishone45
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    foolishone45 said

    Hi Leslie - I had to smile at your reference to a Latin America local office. I thought it to be very appropriate as Gordon Brown has with his flawed system of banking regulation ably assisted by our bankers turned Britain into a banana republic. But you really have no cause to worry while Gordon is in power. Remember Alan Johnson's 'negotiations' with the unions on this topic of a couple of years ago. Johnson merely dropped his trousers and said 'help yourself'.

    AFO

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  • banjo570
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    banjo570 said

    follishone45 is Spot On!. DONT have a pensionscheme they are an absolute waste of time, and tie up your money where you simply cant get you hands on it.

    Its all very simple:

    You are born , Lifes a bitch, then you die (J.Cleese)

    Pensions give a bit of tax relief (when you draw your pensions its taxed). The money is trapped (ok 25% tax free at end, but surley 100% is MUCH BETTER). yOU DIE, THE PENSIONS SCAMMERS KEEP YOUR DOSH, THANKS V MUCH.

    You can only invest in failryl crappy funds wiht high charges and lousy returns (lately minus returns).

    etc etc etc etc

    Save up your cahs, use ISAS for cash savings, if you want put some in Shares ISas (AGAIN get scammed for about 5% up fornt then 2% a year on a fund paying you minus 20% (i.e.invest £1000, end up with £600, but sitll pay the commission.

    there is only one person to trust wiht your money - yourself.

    if it looks to good to be true, it is (Icelandic isas for example)

    A Motley Fool and his money are soon parted.

    Every few years the pension firms hope the new crop of victims have poor memories or no knowledge of the past, and say "You meed a pension, you must have a pension".

    Earn money, save a bit spend it. When you ar eold the nursing home will take it all from you. Whereas if you retire poor everything is free

    So, if you are young and reading this, get osme advice form an old guy who is NOT an IFA, and dont ask the pension firms, thats for sure!!!!

    and

    buy a banjo.

    banjofred

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  • shampoodave
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    shampoodave said

    At the end of the day most of us are being ripped off in this beloved country of ours.Pensions are a waste of time and the Government is doing nothing about all the scams and loop-holes.Of course they want you to have a pension so the Government does not have to worry about you in later life.You cannot get free pension advice without the sales pitch.I saved money and have just lost my job. So now i have to be penalized and get no help for anything untill my savings are gone.This is what you get when you have been wise and saved for a rainy day. Theres simply no reward for saving and little reward for a pension too.The cost of living soon eats away at savings and annuity plans are a disgrace. I,m going to cash in everything and head off to a cheaper country.This country has had it! We are even watching our jobs go and theres no future for the kids of today.Save for a pension?

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