Why pensions aren't always worth it

Jane Baker
by Lovemoney Staff Jane Baker on 07 June 2010  |  Comments 28 comments

Does saving up for a pension always make good financial sense?

Why pensions aren't always worth it

If you don’t have pension savings or any other source of income, you’re destined for a retirement on nothing more than the basic state pension. At today’s rates that amounts to just £97.65 a week, assuming you have paid enough national insurance contributions to qualify for full amount from the government.

That's not a lot of money, so, at first glance, it seems obvious that we should all try and build a bigger pension pot for our twilight years. But the trouble is, the government may effectively take back some of what you've saved,  and render the whole exercise a bit pointless. In other words, if you’re on a low income in retirement but you have managed to save up for a small pension, you may not actually be that much better off. So what should you do?

First, let's look in more detail at what pensioners are entitled to from the state.

Pension Credit

On top of the basic state pension, you may be entitled to Pension Credit, as long as you have reached state pension age. It guarantees a minimum weekly income of £132.60 if you’re single or £202.40 if you have a partner. This benefit is known as the Guarantee Credit.

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There are a lot of things to think about as you get closer to your retirement. But the early you start to prepare, the better.

You could also be entitled to the Savings Credit if you’re aged 65 or over, and you have made some provision for your retirement such as building up your own savings or personal pension. Savings Credit may apply if you’re single and your total weekly income is between £98.40 and £183.90 a week, or you have a partner and your joint income is between £157.25 and £270.13 a week.

The Savings Credit provides a maximum extra weekly payment of £20.52 if you’re single or £27.09 if you have a partner.

So what happens if you have pension savings? Will you lose your right to Guarantee Credit and Savings Credit?

How does Pension Credit work?

Let’s assume you’re 65, single and you’re entitled to the full basic pension. You haven't saved in a pension of your own and you have no other income/earnings/savings. In this situation your income in retirement would be just £97.65 a week. This means, you’ll get Guarantee Credit of £34.95 to bring your income up to the minimum of £132.60 a week.

In the next example, let's assume you saved in a pension during your working life which now provides you with an income of a further £20 a week. This means your retirement income will step up to £117.65 a week. But, because this falls short of the minimum guaranteed income of £132.60 a week, you'll be eligible for extra payments.  

This tip is absolutely vital to know if you want to make the most of your pension pot at retirement.

Because you have made some provision for yourself by saving up enough to buy an extra weekly pension of £20, your total income will be step up to £144.15 a week. This includes extra Guarantee Credit and Savings Credit payments of £26.50 a week.

Here's how this amount is calculated:

To work out how much Savings Credit you qualify for we need to look at how much money you have coming in each week over a set level which is currently £98.40 (for a single person). In this case, you have £19.25 a week over this amount (£117.65 - £98.40).

You can qualify for an extra 60p for each £1 over that level which amounts to £11.55 a week. Remember, in any case, the minimum guaranteed income is £132.60 a week, so with an extra £11.55 of Savings Credit to reward your personal pension savings, your total weekly income then comes to £144.15 (£132.60 + £11.55).  

Comparing these two examples, you'll have an extra £11.55 a week in return for saving in your own personal pension compared with making no provision of your own whatsoever. But you can see this is problematic. You have saved enough during your working life to provide yourself with an extra £20 a week. But you'll actually only end up £11.55 a week better off than someone who hasn't bothered to save at all because of the means-tested pension benefit system.

This is one situation where you might consider saving in your own right might not be worth it if you expect to be on a relatively low income once you retire. After all, to generate a pension of £20 a week, you’ll need to save up a pension pot of around £15,000 over the years*.

You should also note that Savings Credit is reduced by 40p for each £1 of income you have above the Guarantee Credit level of £132.60, or £202.40 if you have a partner.

What about my savings?

You’ll also need to be careful about the amount you have in savings/capital if you think you may have a low to moderate income in retirement. If your savings are too high, it could affect your means-tested benefits too.

For the purposes of calculating your entitlement to Pension Credit, your ‘assumed income’ will also be deducted. This means you'll be considered as having £1 of extra income a week for every £500 - or part of £500 - you have in capital over £10,000. Capital includes your savings, investments and property that isn’t your main residence.

Other sources of income will also be deducted from your entitlement to Pension Credit. This includes:

  • Income from the State pension
  • Income from occupational and personal pensions
  • Most social security benefits such as Carer’s Allowance
  • Any post-tax earnings you have from continued employment or self-employment
  • Half of any occupational or personal pension contribution

Should I stop saving?

Recent question on this topic

Even though a small personal pension could be reduced by means-tested benefits, I think it’s extremelyrisky to stop saving for your retirement altogether. That's because there’s no promise that benefits which are available to pensioners today will still be around when you come to retire. If you have made no provision for your retirement yourself, you could be left in a very sticky financial position once you stop working.

There’s also no certainty that the basic State pension will continue to be paid to future generations of pensioners. So I think it’s important you do something to plan for your retirement, whether you choose the traditional pension route or a different strategy.

If you’re close to retirement and you think you may be eligible, get a Pension Credit estimate.

*Based on a male retiring at age 65, with no spouse’s pension provided, level payments and no guarantee period.

This article has been updated for 2010.

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  • supasap
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    supasap said

    If I was starting out again I would never have sold any of the properties that I have done and instead rented them out so that over 25 years working life I would have had a number of properties largely paid for to provide a retirement income largely protected from inflation. Or I may have suffered the civil service to get the same thing..... but then again the best years of your life are pre old age I would have thought

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  • LastChip
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    LastChip said

    Congratulations Jane on a really well written article - Yes I mean it!

    It does however, pretty much confirm what I've been saying for some time. If you're a lower rate taxpayer on about £20,000 a year or less, pensions are a waste of space.

    Now, I know there are many here on a good deal more then £20k, but the fact remains, the vast majority of the population are not. Furthermore, these people are soon going to be conned into opting in to this dismal mess. Why? Because the vast majority find pensions beyond their comprehension and so will just "sign on the dotted line".

    You're going to struggle throughout your lifetime to get a meagre private pension, that will immediately all but disappear as soon as the state pension kicks in.

    Until the government (of whatever colour) sorts this mess out, forget it! Almost every other country in Europe enjoys a better deal than we get; Why?

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  • highlifeinspain
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    highlifeinspain said

    I too have said it before and I will say it again......Pensions are no good for the vast majority. Forget the tax relief, forget employers contributions, if you are lucky enough to get any. The fund manager and the Financial Advisor will lie through their teeth and make will guesses about how much you will receive when you retire but when that day arrives.

    1. Now isn't a good time to cash it in.

    2. The stock market has underperformed.

    3. Wait and the fund will recover.

    I've heard them all......consult a fortune teller instead, at least it would be cheaper and would provide you with something to laugh about

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  • supasap
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    supasap said

    lastchip what are the facts about other European pensions..... how much do they get from the state?

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  • LastChip
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    LastChip said

    Take a look at this:

    http://www.aon.com/uk/en/about/media-centre/images/stabilise-european-pensions.pdf

    Note the "Adequacy of State Pension column, which rates the UK at 25th - Bottom!

    According to The Telegraph and The Guardian, the UK ranks bottom in 2007 as well, but I can't find a PDF for that year. Perhaps they haven't released it into the public domain yet.

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  • supasap
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    supasap said

    lastchip thanks a lot for this.... I wish TMF would supply the facts more often.... what is interesting is that on some indices UK is OK eg if we take into account private pensions in addition to state pensions we are certainly not bottom, and the best country Denmark (why are Scandinavian countries so rich AND socialist???? come on TMF talk about this) has both a high proportion of older workers and the penetration of private pensions is very high also .... in my view the state can only do so much in this area... interesting read though

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  • uutasyw
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    uutasyw said

    Good article and highlights the main saving problem in the UK. The government, don't care what party, talk about encouraging saving but ensure you are disadvantaged if your on an average or below average wage. Means testing is a truly terrible anchor round the necks of those of modest means. We need to get people more responsible for their own long term financial futures and get them more financially savvy so they can spot bad long term policies. Hand outs from the government appear a good thing for those in need but are ultimately sole destroying for you and your children.

    Comparing countries in this field is not overly helpful as can not compare like with like. The Scandinavian counties had the foresight to save/invest the money from their natural resources decades ago and use the profits from this investment to pay for pensions etc - I use the word investment in its proper sense and not the Gordon Brown usage. Other countries have ensured that the disadvantages to saving are no so pronounced so the benefit for personal saving is clearer.

    As things currently stand I would say that anyone that is auto enrolled in the new pension accounts in 2012 has a strong case for miss-selling.

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  • Staintunerider
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    Staintunerider said

    I worked for a company for 3 years and they paid in 5k per year, total 15K up to 1999.

    This is with Axa. Statement recently shows it's worth 10k. I mean honestly the fund managers should hang their heads in shame ! the figures speak for themselves ! I never contributed anything to it and I'm glad i didn't.

    I have another pension with Windsor Life, but it is the standalone policy with Axa because the circumstances are so simple that shows it and them for they are....Perfectly useless !

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  • Staintunerider
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    Staintunerider said

    Oh and I wanted to add, isn't it likely that as this knowledge seeps into the consciousness of our nation, that these financial wizards in the city are anything but. Property as a tangible asset may come back into vogue and become the new pensions ?

    I mean we all understand property now in this country and the buy to let offers the chance for an income in the future !

    I mean where else are we going to invest for retirement ? Stock Market(too volatile), Foreign Banks(iceland ?) Even our own aren't safe for any more than 50k(or has that gone up ?). Standard pensions(joke)...what's left ? Eh Property..Supersap i think you hit the nail on the head !

    Trouble is if this does happen, it could create a situation where property ownership is difficult to attain creating a 2 tier structure between those in it and those not. Future generations may have to rent as in the past. Also Capital gains tax will force people to keep the 2nd and more properties until death when the govt will rob their estates with IHT

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  • guykguard
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    guykguard said

    Supsap: your question was not where does the UK appear in the pensions league tables but "how much do they get from the state?"

    In Belgium the answer to the question is "about 1350 euro per month" for a salaried employee, for a full career of 45 years. I say "about" because the exact amount depends upon salary level and a few other things. As far as I remember, Dutch and German state pensions are of similar orders of magnitude.

    However. Before anyone runs away with the idea that these pensions are manna from heaven, they would do well to reflect on the tax levels applied to pay for them. Taxes on income and on employment in all three countries -- as well as in the Scandinavian countries -- are astronomic by comparison with UK levels, although the Labour government has been working hard at catching the others up.

    For some idea of how things work, the rough, general picture is as follows: Employer/employee agree on a gross salary of, say, 100 euro/month. This deal costs the employer about 150 euro/month, and the employee gets about €50 in his pocket!

    As I've been saying for years, underemployment and some unemployment are deliberate government policy. Taxes on jobs are roughly 100%!

    In most of these countries salaries and pensions are indexed. Yeah: so, to all intents and purposes, are many taxes, including taxes on all pensions -- to pay for the indexation!

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  • Staintunerider
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    Staintunerider said

    the difference is that in these scandinavian countries, people are happy to pay so much tax because they get decent schooling, healthcare and pensions from the state. Yes it's difficult to create a lot of personal wealth because their society is geared up on a more communal basis., here you don't even get what you pay for !

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  • Fancyfree50
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    Fancyfree50 said

    The article doesn't even mention the State Second pension, which can double the size of the BSP.This is earnings-linked so will be different for each person.Get a state pension forecast to find out how much you are due.

    www.thepensionservice.gov.uk

    Most peoploe won't be eligible for pension credit as their S2P will take them over the limit, even if they have no other pensions.

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  • castath
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    castath said

    I too thought the article was well researched and the comparisons relevant. We also have an appropriate title.

    The only slight exception I take is to the general advice given. I would argue that if all one can save in a pension over their lifetime amounts to £15000 and by doing so in today's world they would be no better off than someone who had not saved for a pension then their pension deductions would be much better used to make today's life better than worrying about the unknowns of the state pension, pension credit and whether you make it to 65 and live long enough to make the pension payments worthwhile. (all inflation ignored)

    Also today if someone had a pension pot of £15000 then they would be better off taking this as a lump sum instead of opting for an annuity that pays £20 a week.

    The government recently changed the date to which people can retire, if they were to withdraw pension credit or even as you mention (and I can't think why you would suggest this) the state pension, this is unlikely to be done over night but gradually reduced at which time you will be able to re-assess your retirement plans.

    Pension credit is a large problem as to why many people do not save into pensions and although I don't disagree with it today, this gift to the carefree has to be reduced and eventually withdrawn as not to alienate future pension savers.

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  • sstudent
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    sstudent said

    My own feelings are that despite conventional wisdom that we should save for a pension I do wonder if we should bother at all? Firstly, the returns on annuities are appalling, secondly, if you have a pension you fall foul of means testsing & find yourself being denied things that you should have.

    Then you are taxed on your pension/s.

    Despite claims to the contrary they are not that flexible & the only people who realy benefit are the insurance companies & other institutions that sell them.

    So call me a cynic but i am not entirely convinced that pensions are the way to go or indeed the best vehicles for saving in.

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  • tdg948
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    tdg948 said

    sstudent,you are living in the real world,I worked from the age of fourteen to sixty five,never unemployed a single day,I have a very small company pension but they take the same amount off my miserable state pension,even though I have paid more than enough years contributions,I saved and invested for my retirement only to find if I had been a waster and never worked I would be much better off,these are the people who go to the pub every day and demand more money because THEY are entitled to it,if you have been a worker you will get nothing,sadly I cannot turn the clock back.

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  • sstudent
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    sstudent said

    You are quite correct tdg948. The simple fact of the matter is there is simply no real incentive to pay into a pension. If you do you are only penalised later on down the road. Your situation is one that I have seen time & time again.

    My parents rae retired, my dad due to ill health, though if he could he would go back to work in an instant.

    But because he has a couple of small pensions he too is penalised. Oh & he dared to buy his home as well, so has been penalised by the abomination that is means testing!

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  • princeturhan
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    princeturhan said

    tdg948 has got it in a nutshell! Someone with common sense and fairness needs to come along and sort this dreadful mess out.

    Without trying to sound snobbish, big headed, superior, it seems that those of us who care and worry for our futures and families are laughed at by the 'wasters' in this world; lied to by the politicians; and taken to the cleaners by the so-called financial experts/supremos!

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  • Trackaman
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    Trackaman said

    There are two issues here. The first is a taxation issue - whereby if you are prudent you get hammered by the taxman. It's nonsense - but I didn't vote for them either. The alternative is to not make any provision for your old age and that will be much, much worse! Get a low cost eSipp pension (it's easy to do and you do not need a IFA to arrange it for you!) and any contributions you make will get an immediate 25% return (whether you pay tax or not - at least upto 2,800 pa). Invest this in a low cost FTSE tracker ETF (again low cost, no IFA fees or front end loading!) and buy regularly (pound cost averaging). Being contarian - the lower the FTSE the better (Dec & Jan sales are now also on in the stock market!). Reinvest the dividends and compound interest will do the rest. And finally - you DO NOT have to buy an annuity when you retire - put your funds into drawdown (having moved over towards Bonds as you near retirement). I did and I'm making the same income as an annuity would have paid me - and I still have my capital (and no - the IFA did not advise me to do this either). All of this is very FOOLISH - so come on FOOL - get back to your roots and tell people the truth about the financial services industry and how a few simple things allow ordinary people to manage their own money cheaply & effectively! If - Reader - you don't understand some of these things?? (ETF, Drawdown, eSIPP etc) - then Google them and get yourself educated. It's not hard to learn the basics and the alternative is join the ranks of those who expect someone else to take care of their old age (like Gordon Brown? Yea!) Well I'm glad I made the effort, so much so that I have also started eSIPP pensions for my sons - the best way I know I can leave them something worthwhile (and better still - they can't touch the money till they are 55!) Start now - the sooner the better!!

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  • stewroth
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    stewroth said

    The biggest problems with the pensions in the UK are that they are seen as cash cows by the finance houses who manage them and the Treasury who tax them rotten, hoping that we won't spot it until it is too late. HMG's attitude is that "You should have known when you bought into this system twenty years ago that we were going to change the rules, and you should have planned for that" (as with mortgage interest relief - remember that?). The only choice is to make as many MPs lives as possible a misery until they sort things out properly. In the meantime, keep on working and hope that your health holds out!

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  • Nemo666
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    Nemo666 said

    My father is in he same boat. He wishes he had never saveda penny as he is effectively taxed at 100%!

    What I am sad to see here is those that still think property is an investment. It isn't. The real problem with UK plc is that the whole population has 'invested' in a giant Ponzi scheme called the housing market. Valuation of residential property is way above replacement costs (cost of building a new house) plus a reasonable demand element.

    Take a look at many sensible European countries where houses are seen as consumer goods! well they are. I lived in malaysia and often people bulldoze old houses to build their dream home. They don't triple the price because it is 'quaint' (= awful old victorian rubbish). Only when (stupid) British investors move in to an area (Benidorm to name one) and buy like crazy does a price bubble start then everyone goes crazy. When I buy something that use Iw ant it to be as cheap as possible. Not more expensive!

    UK plc needs to invest in productive investments. Creation of wealth is essential. UK plc hasn't gone anywhere for over 10 years in reality. All house price bubble and related froth. You need be drumk to look at the balance of payments! The pound has collapsed for good economic reasons and about time too.

    We need to save. Unfortunately overcharging (and useless) "fund managers" combined with the worst government ever has led to a situation where UK plc lives for today... or it did.

    I am off to China.......

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  • gordonbanks42
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    gordonbanks42 said

    Trackaman: well said!

    I am rather tired of reading comments against various TMF articles based on the idea that Pension = Insurance company scam managed by overpaid and underperforming fnd manager types. This may have been an unavoidable truth for those who took out pensions many years ago, and it may still be a necessary part of the picture for others who want to benefit from employer contributions (and who therefore have to be "in" a scheme chosen by their employer).

    But for everyone else the SIPP option removes exposure to high fees, provides excellent transparency, creates no dependency on the performance of overpaid fund managers and provides access to just the kind of investment vehicles good Fools demand.

    On top of that, the drawdown option really does look like the beginning of the end for the "annuity problem" - just don't get an annuity!

    If only they would change the rules to let you have your money back again before pension age it would be like magic... but that's what ISAs are for, isn't it?

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  • tarmacmonkey
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    tarmacmonkey said

    Is there a really simple way to rate one's own pension fund against an average or 'reasonable performance'one?

    I simply don't know weather mine is good bad or indifferent because I don't know how to read the figures, My annual statement says things like 'if the fund grows at 4% it will be worth X and if at 9% =Y but then taking into inflation of this, it will mean this. etc. etc. Im sure you're all familiar with it. What I want to know is,is it as good as the one that a shrewd accountant might have for himself? ( I know the answer to that of course but you get the idea) what percentage of salary contribution is considered reasonable? what sort of annual growth should make me feel content that I havent been ripped off? I know the IFA took an eye watering percentage of the contributions in the first two years but I'm past that and I can't help feeling that if there is any justice in the world (!) that the best thing is probably to keep on feeding the wretched thing, (it gets a 40% tail wind before the 'experts' even start to invest it. Why don't the miracles of compounding seem to apply to me?

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  • afisk
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    afisk said

    No, the Basic State Pension does not amount to £90.70 a week. That is the maximum, which you receive only if you have made the maximum years' contributions. Fewer than 70 per cent of pensioners receive the maximum, yet personal finance writers (such as the Motley Fool) persist in citing this figure, reinforcing the misconception that the Basic State Pension is a flat rate benefit received by everyone.

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  • SevenPillars
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    SevenPillars said

    The problem with saving for a pension is the same as all other investments in the sense that when the initial push comes to get people involved, they are often sold as offering great returns when the nature of our system, the creation of financial bubbles with an inevitable crash, means that sooner or later people end up with far less then expected. In others words, we get sold a pig in a poke. Look at property or the stock market, which many pension funds rely upon, they all get ahead of themselves because there is speculation associated with them. Sooner or later they come crashing down which has an adverse effect on all asociated investments.

    Then you have inflation. The politicians will tell you that they are fighting inflation when in fact they are in the business along with the central banks of creating inflation. Of course they do not want hyperinflation, but just enough to give people the sense that they are getting richer as often asset price inflation, i.e. property, runs ahead of general price inflation, what you pay for goods in the shops. This is good for getting votes, although it inevitably means that future generations end up behind and paying more for the same.

    I think saving for a pension is just another extension of the great financial con that has been inflicted upon us in the last 20-30 years. Selling private pensions was and is a great little earner for the financial industry that grows up around it, but the expected returns that many people hoped for often get burnt off by commissions, inflation and market bubbles and crashes.

    The predicted financial returns and high expectations of much of our financial life is based on speculation and little more. As the saying goes, if it looks too good to be true often it is, but people get suckered into investing because we are told that over the long term you can't lose. It should be remembered however, that while the financial industry tell us to think long term, more often than not they think short term. They want their rewards now and the bigger the better. I'm afraid that we the people just get used and taken for a ride.

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  • tom2010
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    tom2010 said

    Hi there!!

    Well, that article, what a shock!!

    Me who was trying to saved for the future. Maybe best to enjoy our life now as much as we can! rather than save as much as I can.

    One question, thought, if you saved through an isa (tax free saving), will they be taking in consideration in your old age when you retired? or will they stand differently?

    Thanks

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  • SevenPillars
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    SevenPillars said

    Tom2010.

    When it comes to the tax man as savings in an ISA are tax free you do not have to inform the Inland Revenue of any gains that you have made.

    However, when it comes to the benefits system ISA's are classed as capital and savings, so I assume that they are taken into account when calculating any entitlement.

    The basic state pension is I believe based on what you have paid in to the system so savings are not taken into account.

    I'm sure someone here will confirm it for you.

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  • Mick James
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    Mick James said

    This is a bit odd: the article is dated June 2010 yet the comments start in December 2008 and refer to the site as "TMF" ie the "Motley Fool".

    OK why not recycle if things have changed--but FancyFree50's point frmo 2008 that the article takes no account whatsoever of the State Second Pension (the existence of which most people seem to be totally unaware) should really have been addressed. 

    Also I think some discussion of tax would be in order--if you can get your income up to £182.50 your age related allowance will mean you still pay no tax, and there's also a 10% rate for savings income up to £2,440.

    But age related allowances start to be withdrawn when your income gets above £22,900--by £1 for every £2 above, giving a marginal tax rate of 30% if you push your income above that level.

    Also you can take 25% of your pension fund tax free as a lump sum, and if your pension is "trivial" (up to £16k) you can take the whole lot in cash (although only the first 25% will be tax free).

    You can also enjoy tax-free income of £4250 just by renting a room in your house, which could be significant for many pensioners.

    tom2010's point above also needs to be addressed: ISA savings count towards the means test but not towards taxable income or tax allowances.

     

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  • Savvy chic
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    Savvy chic said

    And what is to stop the Govt cancelling Pension Credit in their austerity budget?

    I was raised to look after myself and not look to bludge off the State.

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