No, you can't retire on £50,000!

Harvey Jones
by Lovemoney Staff Harvey Jones on 19 September 2012  |  Comments 22 comments

£50,000 will give you a paltry pension for your retirement.

No, you can't retire on £50,000!

You could do a lot with £50,000. You could fund yourself through a three-year university course (including tuition fees and living costs).

Travel the world on a budget for up to five years. Or slap down a 25% deposit on a £200,000 property.

Yes, £50,000 can go a long way.

But there is one thing you can’t do with it. You can’t fund a comfortable retirement.

The £50,000 question

Worryingly, many people think you can, especially younger people. When insurer Aviva asked 16 to 24 year olds how much they wanted in their pension at retirement, the average figure was £48,400.

Young people can be forgiven for being so wide of the mark. Retirement is decades away. They probably haven’t given the subject much thought.

But they should. You will need a lot more than £50,000 in your pension pot if you want to live your final years in comfort and ease. And unless you start saving when you’re young, it will be a struggle.

How much!

Let’s say you are retiring today with a £50,000 pension pot, and used the money to buy an annuity, an income that lasts you for the rest of your life.

At age 65, that £50,000 would buy you an annuity worth just £2,800 a year.

That works out as a meagre £233 a month. Or around £54 a week.

You would get even less if you bought a joint life annuity to cover your partner after you die, and less still if you wanted that income to rise in line with inflation.

These numbers look particularly bad because rock bottom interest rates have slashed the returns on annuities.

These figures may improve in future. Let’s hope so.

Tricky maths

You should also get your state pension on top, which is currently £107.45 a week, giving you total income of around £160 a week. That’s just £20 a week more than you would get if you claimed pension credit, the government’s mean-tested measurement of poverty in retirement.

It works out as £8,400 a year, roughly one-third of the national average full-time salary of £26,200.

The sums don’t add up. £50,000 into the rest of your life just doesn’t go.

Wiser guys

Youngsters aren’t the only ones who are naive about how much they need for their retirement. Those aged between 25 and 34 set their pension target at a slightly higher £78,000.

Between 35 and 44, the figure rises to £88,000. And between 45 and 54, people reckoned they needed £102,000 for a worry-free retirement.

The time is now

Young people may be naive, but they do have one thing on their side. Time. Many people squander this, because they think saving for a pension is something they can do later.

The truth is, there is never an easy time to save, because when you’re older, you have family commitments, such as a mortgage and children. So don’t hang about.

The earlier you start, the easier it will be. If you start paying into a pension, say, 25, you need to save just £91 a month to have £100,000 in your pension pot by age 65 in today’s terms. This figure assumes you get 3.5% investment growth a year after charges and inflation. If you wait until age 35, you need to save £148 a month. And if you delay until 45, you will need to save £266 every month. That’s almost three times as much.

Start with small amounts, if that’s all you can afford, but please start.

What’s the forecast?

Older people should start by working out out exactly how much they have already saved. Incredibly, just one in 10 people know how much their pension is worth, according to new research from Nationwide.

Dig out the latest annual statements for your company and personal pensions, to see how much each is worth. The Pension Tracing Service can help you track down old plans. You should also get a state pension forecast.

You can do it!

Saving enough for a decent retirement may sound daunting, but the government gives you a helping hand, by granting tax relief worth 20%, 40% or 50% of your contributions, depending on your tax bracket.

If you have access to a company pension scheme, your employer may give you a further boost, by matching your contributions with a payment of its own.

From October, the new auto-enrolment scheme should ensure that millions get access to a company pension for the first time, including employer and government contributions.

Don’t squander it.

If you don’t trust pensions, then invest using your tax-efficient Isa allowance instead.

One retirement, going cheap

I wish I could be the bearer of better news, but there isn't much of that around, especially with the Government getting cold feet over its plans for a £140 a week state pension.

In truth, even £100,000 isn’t enough for a comfy retirement, given today’s atrocious annuity rates. At age 65, it would buy you income worth just £5,700 a year.

That isn’t much return for half a lifetime of saving, but frankly, what alternative do you have? You want to have a comfortable retirement, if you possibly can.

And you won’t buy one of those for £50,000.

For a different take on how much you need to save for your retirement, read It doesn’t cost much to retire well.

More on pensions:

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Comments (22)

  • Mark-W
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    Mark-W said

    "It works out as £8,400 a year, roughly one-third of the national average full-time salary of £26,200."

    But that's per person, yes? Might be interesting to try the same calculation for a couple - I'm guessing that two pensions, and the married couples state pension as income on a mortgage free two bedroom bungalow outgoings might not be that uncomfortable at all ...

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  • BobbyW
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    BobbyW said

    Harvey when did you work with Zurich? Lol.

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  • Basia02a
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    Basia02a said

    In fact if you start including pension credits, anything under a £100,000 makes little difference

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  • amwell44
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    amwell44 said

    What you say is true and I should know - I am in receipt of one of those meagre pensions. It's not that I didn't save either, but two big stock market crashes decimated the value of my pension pot. I can't afford to retire, but why do you expect to retire at 65? It's no longer realistic, unless you are unfortunate and have to, for health reasons. I shall be 68 in December, fit and well and still working full time - overseas at the moment, so tax efficiently - and seeing the World too. It's the future.

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  • muira
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    muira said

    the government also gives you a non so helpful hand if you put too much in your pot!!

    they don't warn you about that,when they are giving you the tax relief when saving for it!!

    and do some sums to see how old you need live to get it back..

    wish i had used my isa allowance or even my mattress instead of a so called tax effective great pension..

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  • DP130132
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    DP130132 said

    At a very young age, put all you can spare into a pension PIT - from which there is no escape until you retire!!! Stupidity in the extreme!!

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  • HappyHacker
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    HappyHacker said

    Pensions are a con. You must save for your retirement but look very carefully at the con of pensions where you have to buy an annuity (unless you have a massive pension pot) which the Bank of England is currently ensuring pays out less than you put in if you live to the average age. If you could take it out it would be worth more stuffed under your mattress. Is it a coincidence that the private pension black hole is only slightly more than the amount taken out of pension funds by Gorden Brown (£9 Billion per year for 13 years) and that this is still continuing today. The public sector pensions are not apparently a black hole as they are funded each year by the private sector.

    Get a job with a public sector pension and you will be laughing even after the reductions in payouts. I am sure the new pensions coming out this year will also prove to be a rip off in years to come. The finance sharks (I refuse to call it an industry) will see to that.

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  • DRMONEYSCHNITZEL
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    DRMONEYSCHNITZEL said

    Pensions favoured the few generations before us. Everyone in those generations knows at least a few people who did very well on their final salaries. The model was unsustainable the whole thing collapsed. The good days are over. Some of the people in 40s 50s and 60s are still blind to this and push youth into being entheusiastic about this old fossil.

    For companies to honour many of these pension schemes their company needs to grow continuously forever. Its not possible. It doesnt work.

    Governement knows they have huge liabilities if companies default on pensions when they go under. They will legislate against this in due time (the next 2-3 decades) but not before a strategy of continuous watering down of benefits like i have seen in the past 10 years.

    the problem is the older generation are largely still blind to this and have faith in pensions. (Im mainly talking about defined benefit DB) also they pressure the new comers into the company to join the schemes knowing the young contributions will end up going to the older generation. When we get old the cupboard will be bare and the gov will have legislated against backing these schemes (90% of value) or face going bust. that is my opinion and belief. Im 30.

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  • Aitken B
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    Aitken B said

    No matter how you save or prepare financially for your retirement you can absolutely rely on one thing, good old HMG will find some way to steal it from you to ensure that MPs and most public sector employees will get a pension of which the rest of us victims could only dream.

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  • Iamcoldsteve
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    Iamcoldsteve said

    Who do they interview to get £48,400 average pension pot. Or do they mean average annual pension?

    That's not even near to a years salary today for me.

    I hope to have many times that in my pension pot when I retire in a couple of decades. Christ, I've got about that much already.

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  • Steviebaby1959
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    Steviebaby1959 said

    I think you have to be rich to be able to comprehend articles such as this one, try living on £16,500 a year, 40 hours a week supervisory rates, full time employment, as my partner has done for several years, then, tell her she needs £100,000 pension pot if, and when, she gets to the State Pension Age, not everyone lives in the South of England, perhaps Harvey Jones can advise those millions working for a meagre pittance for their whole lives if there is any point in becoming a Pensioner in Britain in the future.

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  • mikecunliffe
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    mikecunliffe said

    I've worked for myself for almost 30 years. When aged 27 (starting self-employment) I suspected the government would not be in a position to pay me and the wife a pension when I got to retirement age. Consequently, I started to save in a private pension.

    The trick is to increase your contributions each year (or certainly, every few years) to keep pace with inflation. This is not too difficult when you're young as you tend to get pay rises most years. As you get a bit older this becomes harder and in today's climate even more difficult for almost everybody.

    BUT, let's be honest. Each packet of fags is £5 plus. A pint is generally £2.80 plus. If you really want a decent retirement you need to think about saving for it.

    Also, those near retirement with savings in cash in excess of £10k should have considered installing solar panels over the previous couple of years. For a £9k to £10k investment you can achieve a £1k per year "feed-in" payment. I did this. Where can you get that kind of interest from a saving plan or annuity?

    If you run a car, consider converting this to LPG. It typically costs about £1200 - £1800 depending upon the model to convert and at about £0.65 per litre you get a pay-back in less than a year if you drive 10,000 miles or more per annum .

    Retirement can be funded by making savings years before you get to 65. You simply have to have a desire to save and a convinced opinion that the government of the day will not have the money to pay O.A.P.

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  • mgbboy55
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    mgbboy55 said

    Of course what should not be forgotten is that the pension industry, as part of our "great" financial institution industry is not exactly open and honest about itself. Anybody who is paying into a pension will have seen that over the past few years whatever sum they have paid into their pension will now be considerably less - and that before the pension industry takes their fees. They continue to give you projections based on annual growth of 5%, 7% and 9% per annum which may as well be 500%, 700% and 900% and then actually generate actual losses for its customers, they shoulod be showing you the value of your pot as minus 3%, minus 5% and minus 7% that would be more accurate - and they still charge you for the pleasure of losing your money! And then once you come to buy an annuity if you have £50,000 in your pot the pension thieves will give it back to you at a rate of £2800 a year (before tax of course) so it takes you 18 years to get your money back, by which time (if you are still alive) you will be 83. Only if you live past 83 will you actually start to see any kind of bonus on the money you have saved. If you die before you reach 83 your money is lost - gone to the pension industry and their villas in the sun. Keep your money where you can see it, where you can control it and where you can decide what to do with it when you want to is my advice.

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  • mgbboy55
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    mgbboy55 said

    PS to iamcoldsteve - if you want to give your money to the pension thieves in order to generate an annual pension of £48500 (in todays money) in 20 years time - you will need around £1m in your pot. If you only have about £48500 (which you seem to indicate you have) in there now then you will need to be saving about £40000 a year into your pension from now for the next 20 years - Happy savings!

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  • Skintsod
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    Skintsod said

    All this talk of pension pots and annuities is making my head spin. It's actually very simple. The pension industry exists to make money for itself. Not for you - you are just the means to their end. You pay in for 40 years with some government help (the pension industry is very grateful for this taxpayer contribution) and then hope it was enough. If it wasn't then tough. It's not the salesman's problem, he already has his commission.

    He couldn't foresee what might happen although he did sell you the plan by fantasizing about your future. Anyway you got a free pen just for inquiring didn't you? And don't you worry, his pension is more than adequate thanks to your contributions. That tax advantage went into his pocket, not yours.

    Let's look at a retirement case - mine. I retired to the seaside some years ago. I don't smoke or spend my time in pubs - at my age my stomach doesn't tolerate alcohol so easily. I do eat out quite a bit but it's lunchtime and I never spend more than a fiver at most. There again I eat a lot less than I used to so the food bills are not so bad. I'm old and don't have the energy I used to have so I like to spend my evenings in, away from the youngsters and tourists. I don't waste money on Sky TV as I find Freesat more than enough. I don't commute so I don't drive much and only fill the car up once a month. And I get cheaper insurance. So how much do I spend a year? Around £12,000 for the two of us. Not much more than two current state pensions. Plus any holiday costs on top but I live by the seaside anyway. I am very happy and don't feel in the least deprived. And all my middle-class friends live the same way. Not because they're poor but because they're comfortably in retirement.

    This is not what the pension industry wish you to hear. The realities of retirement. They would rather talk about world cruises, intimate dinners out and expensive hobbies. All got to be paid for. They take your fantasy lifestyle dreams and play on them. But, even if your health holds up, it's not reality.

    So how much did you need in your pension pot?

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  • oldhenry
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    oldhenry said

    I think skintsod 's is a very good response. You have to live on what you have and change lifestyle to suit.

    Giving up work does reduce your income, no doubt, but luckily I joined local government many , many years ago so just about get half my final salary. But the government are hell- bent in reducing public sector pensions to the rubbish of those in the private sector. This is called 'dumbing down' and continues in almost all aspects of UK life.

    Sadly, real inflation erodes your pension faster than the CPI increases it- as the governmner knows. They love inflation as it gets them off the hook of borrowing vast sums to buy voters' and their mates' approval.

    I would advise people to emigate whilst you are young and able to a better country and one that does not taxed you so hard just to give the money away to dictators in foreign lands.

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  • Mark-W
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    Mark-W said

    Thanks "skintsod" - think you've answered my question at comment 1 ...

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  • wiliamson
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    wiliamson said

    £100, five years ago is worth £85 today. When I was 23 my rent was £6 a week, now it is£115. When I was 33 my rates were £50 a year, now they are £120 a month. Do any of these pension projections give a realistic estimate of what your money will be worth 40-50 years down the line? Will saving into a pension get you anywhere when the money you save is worth a fraction of what it was when you get to retirement age?

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  • Aitken B
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    Aitken B said

    Dear wiliamson

    I think you'll find that the main reason your rates have gone up so dramatically is the huge and rising liabilities your council faces over their gold-plated pensions'.

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  • Deadwoodward
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    Deadwoodward said

    No wonder so many people do the lottery!

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  • circularrobins
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    circularrobins said

    @skintsod is right. Just maybe, Mark-W, you thought the married pension was in addition to whatever each of the pair is entitled to from their own contributions in addition to the basic State pension? If so, sadly you are wrong. £16800pa is not a lot for a couple to live on, particularly as apparently frightening numbers of pensioners still have mortgages when they retire. In some instances these might be equity annuity plans, in others helping out their offspring, or even just having taken out equity in their own property to fund other things during the boom years.

    @Basia02a is also correct; none of the articles I have seen has taken into account the various extra bits which can be added to the State pension (for example, graduated retirement benefit, the various flavour of SERPS/State second pension) as obviously these vary more or less infinitely for each individual. About half my State pension will be made up from those, and as I worked overseas for some years and for my years here was in a traditionally poorly-paid industry my guess is that anyone retiring since a couple of years ago probably has more add-ons than I do. Pension Credits are probably of more help to those people who have fewer add-ons for a possible variety of reasons - my later working years fortuitously coincided with the temporary concession that was made, ostensibly to help women who had for some years made the married women's contribution or had not qualified for NICs credits during their child-rearing years but was also available to men, of the ability to buy extra years. I assume that this came to an end to coincide with the reduction in the maximum number of years of NICs contributions to 30, for both men and women.

    The global economy constantly develops, inflation is never going to go away forever, and however sophisticated the models the actuaries use, they are never going to be able to take into account future changes in tax structures so the projections on any pension are, IMHO, pure fantasy. That is not necessarily a reason to ignore the need to plan, by any and every means, so that we can be self-reliant financially in our old age. Soon more pensioners will be childless, and I for one do not want to have to rely on the State to provide the small comforts which take on more significance as one's horizon shrinks and perspective lengthens. Be warned!

    Previous contributors have offered good advice. @Iamcoldsteve should note @mgbboy55's comment and especially PS. Long ago before the internet and forums such as this, when we were all less sophisticated, it was easy for the insurance companies to sell pensions through companies and to individuals based on annual increases in contributions. In theory of course this should work, but there are two major problems with the theory. The first is the calculations that actuaries have to make on their behalf, which coupled with what was IMHO an erroneous Court ruling has been a disaster for many, the other is that none of us knows what will happen to us in this life and if for whatever reason you cannot keep increasing your contributions to your pension, it cannot function as intended. This has also been a major source of disappointment, not to say grievance, for many.

    Following changes to the ISA rules, as far as I can see the only reason now to save into an ISA is to roll-up the income which is presently tax-free within it, which after the pension threshold is passed can be paid out; this must be a big advantage. Those who have plenty of cash to risk could also take advantage each year of their capital gains allowance, in order to rachet up their cash available for investment, but they must be few and far between ... .

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  • BobbyW
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    BobbyW said

    I started work when I was 20 years old... By the age of 50 I will have paid my 30 years NIC..... I am currently aged 35 so the chanced are I will not qualify for my state pension until I am aged what 67, 68, 69 or 70? Say 70.... So can some one please explain where the extra 20 years worth of NI Contributions have went to? Also by the looks of things NIC and Income Tax are being replaced by one individual tax so that my pension can be taxed at a level which includes my (previously named by this time) NI Contributions which should stop at retiring age???!!!!!

    You could not make this stuff up!!!!! All things considered we are actually paid around 20% of our Gross Pay and the rest is spent on taxes - Direct or Indirect.... And they want us to used half of this (10% of £1500 salary as per above calculation for a 35 year old) to put into a pension? My sides are freaking aching with laughter here!!!!!

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