Treasury Select Committee: pensioners deserve compensation!

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by Lovemoney Staff ReenaSewraz on 18 April 2012  |  Comments 24 comments

A new report from the Treasury Select Committee suggests pensioners deserve compensation after suffering as a result of quantitative easing.

Treasury Select Committee: pensioners deserve compensation!

The Government should consider compensating pensioners and savers who have been left worse off as a result of the Bank of England’s quantitative easing (QE) programme.

That’s the suggestion of the Treasury Select Committee, which has today published its verdict on the 2012 Budget.

The findings were damning. Among other recommendations, the paper cautioned the government on the effects of a low base rate and quantitative easing programme on pensioners and savers. It states:

“Loose monetary policy, achieved through quantitative easing and low interest rates, has redistributional effects, particularly penalising savers, those with ‘drawdown pensions’ and those retiring now.”

Penalised

Since March 2009, the Bank of England has kept the base rate at an all-time low of 0.5% and has injected £325 billion of new money into the UK economy (by printing new money) in an effort to revive consumer spending and kick-start the economy.

The idea behind these measures is to get people to stop holding onto their money in savings and to start spending to stimulate growth. 

But as the base rate remains at a record low for the 37th consecutive month and a third round of quantitative easing is embarked upon, are savers and pensioners being unfairly victimised?

QE damages annuities

While the Bank of England appears confident about the benefits of QE and the Government continues to urge patience, pensioners and savers can expect difficult times. The report predicts:

“Under this policy, savers receive a far lower return on their savings than under more normal conditions. Meanwhile the returns that new pensioners will receive on their annuities have also been badly affected.”

In short quantitative easing is damaging annuities for those who are going to or are about to retire.

Quantitative easing is a method brought in by the Bank of England to inject money into the economy. The programme operates on the bank buying Government bonds (also known as gilts) and other corporate assets with new money.

While this is intended to give banks more money to (in theory) lend to businesses and consumers, this has a direct impact on pension annuity rates, as we explained in Why printing money is bad news for pensioners.

Today annuity rates are significantly lower than they were five or six years ago and quantitative easing will pull them down even further.

Once you reach the age of retirement the money held in your pension pot is converted into an income stream of a fixed amount every year calculated on the annuity rate you choose. These rates decide how high or low your pension will be; determining how comfortably you will be able to live out the rest of your life. For more on how to pick an annuity, check out Boost your pension by 40%.

So pensioners, who are already bearing the brunt of a rise in the cost of living, also have face the prospect of a cut in their annual income because of the plunge in annuity rates on offer. It paints a bleak picture for the future.

Recommendations

There seems to be no bright side to this policy for pensioners and savers, but the report did contain one interesting recommendation:

“We recommend that the Government consider whether there are any measures that should be taken to mitigate the redistributional effects of quantitative easing, and if appropriate consult on them at the time of the Autumn Statement.”

What should these measures to mitigate be? Compensation? A reversal of the QE policy?

So what are your thoughts? Is QE justified? And should pensioners and savers be compensated?

More on annuities:

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Why gilts matter

How to make a pensions complaint

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Comments (24)

  • Bierlijn
    Love rating 24
    Bierlijn said

    They could scrap taxation of savings interest.

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  • gola
    Love rating 5
    gola said

    They should reintroduce tax-free National Saving Index-linked Certificates (linked to RPI as before). And make some of them only available to pensioners possibly.

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  • Itoldem
    Love rating 19
    Itoldem said

    As a pensioner I am old enough to know that there is no way I am going to be compensated by the Government. Apart from the loss on savings I am also being bombarded on a daily basis by phone calls and e-mails about PPI when I am part of the generation which believed in saving up to buy goods. So there is a double-whammy caused to pensioners from the grab-everything-you-can generations.

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  • coloratura
    Love rating 62
    coloratura said

    Savers have always been treated badly in this country. Those who have in the past taken on massive mortgages have not only been able to buy larger properties but also given tax relief on their payments. I am not suggesting that mortgages and tax relief are done away with but that it was crazy that people were allowed to borrow 6 or 7 times their salaries rather than the previous 2 times their salaries (or 3 times the first named and half of the second named salary) and often these same people were also allowed to borrow on credit cards for their furniture, cars, holidays, etc.

    The people who saved cannot get benefits (they will perhaps have TOO MUCH in the bank) or little in the way of tax relief on their low interest rates whilst the spenders can claim because they have nothing.

    I am not against helping those who through no fault of their own find themselves in difficulty (e.g. redundancy, disability etc) but I personally know of people who just spend on whatever they want, and often these are luxury goods not necessities, and then claim benefits. Then we wonder why the country is in debt. It was only a few years ago that banks were sending us offers to take a loan for £30,000 plus through the post and were trying to massage our egos by offering us "Gold" and even "Platinum" cards with which we could impress our friends (whether we could afford them or not).

    If the Government really want us to get out of debt let us encourage the ethos of saving and rewarding savers. This sends out a positive message to all. The savers will then be able to do what we always did i.e. a third for our bills, food etc., a third for saving for furniture, any unexpected household repairs, "rainy day" money etc) and a third as "fun" money (nights out, holidays etc) which means that as they will be spending some of their money we will have growth. It isn't rocket science.

    And let us stop bashing the pensioners and give them a decent retirement (age 60 plus) - they have often worked for 40/50 years and some have fought for the country and they have already PAID THEIR DUES into the country. If successive Governments have used the money that pensioners paid in via their taxes, national insurance etc then that is the Governments fault - after all they have had 40/50 years to know that a fair proportion of pensioners would survive. Why should the pensioners continue working until they drop down dead. Retirement should start and be paid for from 60 (this was a CONTRACT between those workers and past Governments) but the Governments have not honoured their promises to Pensioners. SHAME ON THEM - you can understand why the youngsters don't bother. They can see the example before them.

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  • vulcanite
    Love rating 33
    vulcanite said

    @Coloratura

    Well said, and well written, says most of it perfectly.

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  • Mike10613
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    Mike10613 said

    Don't hold your breath, not unless you want to boost the funeral industry. The last government increased the savings limit for pensioners on benefit from £4,000 to £10,000 which made a few pensioners better off by about £20 a week. That is about as much as can be hoped for. Maybe the limit will be increased further. It should be scrapped together with taxes on savings, ISA's and all the other silly schemes. Best of all scrap the Bank of England...

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  • edwardmk2879
    Love rating 57
    edwardmk2879 said

    Pensioners definitely deserve compensation, but the government can't do much. Not only are they financially bankrupt, but also intellectually bankrupt of ideas. It is the government itself which is the biggest problem. Here are some of the major reasons why the Treasury select committee arm of government is so hypocritical.

    1) Gordon Brown raided the pension funds of billions during his tenure as Chancellor. To justify the raiding, he called it windfall taxation of excess profits. This has left the pension funds with no war chest, so when the economy tanked, the annuity rates had to tank also.

    2) The Government collects National Insurance, but the money is not ring-fenced for insurance purposes. This is a case of do as I say and not as I do. Private pension providers like Shell must by law have a ring-fenced fund to protect their pensioners. As soon as ring fencing is lost ( Robert Maxwell ), or if it is not put in place ( government), the pensioners reliant on those schemes are unlikely to get what they were promised.

    3) Government policy is to try to create controlled inflation to inflate away the debts they know they can never repay honestly. While Mervyn Brown talks about the dangers of deflation, the Bank of England is hedged against inflation in it's own employee pension fund.

    4) The article mentions quantative easing. The penalty for quantative easing ( coin clipping ) in the reign of King Henry VIII was death. Now it's OK for government to devalue the puchasing power of their currencies and steal from every citizen. If I printed money, I'd be jailed if caught, for devaluing the currency. Yet the Banksters profit massively from this fraud and deception on the rest of the citizenry. Pensioners are now trapped with low returns on annuities, while the same governments that caused the problem, compound it by depreciating the purchasing power of what they have left.

    5) Government tax policy is not index linked. This adds a further squeeze to punish the prudent pensioner. If the cost of living doubles, then the personal allowances should be adjusted so the pensioners have the same purchasing power. This government is the first for some time to agree a significant hike in the personal allowance. They should go much further.

    6) As mentioned by coloratura above, the government has broken promises and contracts entered into years ago in good faith. The problem is the current government is saddled with the bad decisions of previous governments and their highly paid actuaries who got their sums horribly wrong. Those who made the bad decisions are dead or out of office, and thus escape any consequences. As public servants, many of them will have enjoyed the massive benefits of final salary index -linked government pensions. One rule for them, and another for the rest of us.

    7) Government now wants to expand the pension fund industry and make it compulsory for every employer to enroll their staff in a pension scheme. Sounds good on paper, but read 1-6 above, and you'll understand why a lot of people don't trust the integrity of the government of any stripe. If the scheme goes ahead, I confidently predict the sums will be too massive for a government with debts of over 1 trillion pounds to ignore. It will deliver more value for the pension fund administrators and the government at the expense of employers and pensioners.

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  • happy1972
    Love rating 1
    happy1972 said

    My two penneth...

    Stealth tax (in my opinion) on everyone, especially savers and pensioners is very wrong.

    The Bank of England is just propping up the economy when really there needs to be some accountability taken from the people who got us into this mess in the first place, although I don't think they are empowered to do this.

    Before I start to rant though! Printing Money/QE has gone on too long without control. People in the US I speak with are not happy with the effects there, although their government seems to listen more.

    The effects on pensioners and people who have actually worked for a living and made the effort to save for their retirement are absolutely unfair, driving inflation through QE only robs them of their life savings. Once things stabilise I bet they (or any other impacted party) will not receive any compensation to accommodate the "loan" that was taken to bail out the country.

    I am not a retiree, so not as impacted as others right now (apart from any savings I have for the future). I have to take exception to the over-use of QE when other Economic measures can be used to control inflation. (QE is not even an inflation busting measure)

    Inflation seems to be poorly controlled in this country (if at all), I do not see any real evidence that the BOE is doing anything to stem it, despite it being one of their key goals.

    Anyone for a move back to the gold standard?

    Oh, and by the way, reducing the value of the money in my savings account is not going to incentivise me to spend it here. More likely I will reduce any spending I might have made here through cutting back as much as possible and ploughing investments into other countries that I see as being more stable instead. Although, as I live in this country I will still have to spend more on fuel, food etc due to the QE measures, as will everyone else living here... I suppose moving is an option - perhaps to somewhere with better weather and more stability, although not too sure about the kangaroos and spiders... :)

    P.S. Sorry for ranting in the end, couldn't help myself! :)

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  • silkycat
    Love rating 38
    silkycat said

    Like other pensioners I am suffering from low interest rates on my savings and CPI rather than RPI linked pension. On top of that my pension fund was raided by employers when it was in surplus and by Gordon Brown and his windfall tax. This means that the fund is much less able to withstand the effects of the current recession.

    I have to accept all that and get on with it, but I don't see why I should accept government deliberately targeting me again.

    My mother who is 96 and in a care home saved during her earlier life, paid extra NI contributions to get a full pension and helped my late father during 46 years at work pay into his pension fund which she benefits from now.

    She is well looked after in the home but is paying out a big chunk of her savings plus pension income for the privilege. I don't expect her to to leave money for my benefit, but I don't see why people in the same care home who never bothered to save or contribute to a pension pay nothing.

    It makes me think that perhaps it's a mistake to save for my own old age. Perhaps I should just spend it all and let the state pick up the tab for my care. Once the dementia kicks in I won't care anyway.

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  • nickthecrip2
    Love rating 17
    nickthecrip2 said

    Compensation? From the bunch of crooks in the government now. I wouldn't hold your breath for it! At the rate they move, anyway, even if they started today, most pensioners would be long gone before anything came through to them!

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  • OorWullie
    Love rating 38
    OorWullie said

    Until lately, each month I had around £500 to £700 remaining in my account but today I need to seriously budget just to make ends meet and if the currency is again about to be devalued then I have no idea how I am about to manage. If I am in the mire then there must be many more worse than myself so there is bound to be a public reaction against this government's policies.

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  • nickpike
    Love rating 277
    nickpike said

    I've been emailing my MP regularly to remind him that there are about 2 million voters up to their eyeballs in debt, and about 10 million savers. I think they are just waking up to this, and the compensation will be a vote buying exercise. Labour started this mess and the Tories have kept it going. Well stuff 'em all. I'm voting UKIP next time.

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  • sodit
    Love rating 129
    sodit said

    The deal I signed up for when I took out a pension was that it would grow untaxed until I retired, then when I took out an annuity, I would pay tax on that income.

    Gordon Brown broke that contract, and started taxing my pension, thereby causing me to have invested under a false prospectus.

    Since Gordy and his pals then proceeded to bankrupt the government, the current mob cannot compensate me for the money that was thieved, but what they could do is...

    ...since my pension contributions have been taxed, they could make my annuity income tax free.

    That'd go some way to making up for the effects of QE, and provide some redress for the crimes of their predecessors.

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  • unsworthsteve
    Love rating 22
    unsworthsteve said

    The gravest charge on governments (of all colours) has been that they have redistributed wealth from savers to borrowers and thus created a buy-now-pay later society with attendant asset bubbles and crashes.

    Focussing the issue on pensioners is a complete red-herring. Yes, Gordon Brown removed benefits for pensioners that were previously extant, he did not punish pensioners any more than anyone else who saves money from post-tax earnings and is then taxed on the savings interest. Tax relief on pension contributions (particularly for the higher paid) was itself n economic distortion.

    [A non-labour-voting pensioner who has benefitted massively from higher rate pensions contribution tax relief and is now unsurprised he must suffer a bit!].

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  • Henry-GBG
    Love rating 49
    Henry-GBG said

    The entire pension and savings model is based on a deception.

    A pension, and savings, is a means of deferring purchasing power.

    It is a contract between generations. Those working now provide the goods and services consumed by those who worked in the past, and incidentally also those who are too young to work now.

    Nothing is actually "saved" as such - they are just a means of recording the individual's surplus of production over consumption.

    Once this is understood, the whole picture looks different. But the underlying problem is the tax system. Nearly everything that is taxed should not be taxed, and the principal thing that should be taxed, ie the rental value of land, is not taxed. From that point is all goes wrong.

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  • yocoxy
    Love rating 137
    yocoxy said

    “We recommend that the Government consider whether there are any measures that should be taken..."

    is hardly

    "the Treasury Select Committee suggests pensioners deserve compensation"

    (unless you learned your journalistic skills at the Daily Mail..)

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  • LandOfConfusion
    Love rating 64
    LandOfConfusion said

    @ Henry-GBG

    A pension [...]

    It is a contract between generations.

    That's a good way of putting it.

    But the underlying problem is the tax system. Nearly everything that is taxed should not be taxed, and the principal thing that should be taxed, i.e the rental value of land, is not taxed. From that point is all goes wrong.

    Absolutely correct.

    Unfortunately the now retried/retiring generation (i.e. those that are moaning) are the same ones who rigged the tax system in favour of the state taking on more and more debt so that they didn't have to pay fully for the services they used and resources they consumed. In fact I'm always surprised that so many of them don't remember schedule 'A' taxation even though they benefited massively from it's removal and even though my generation now ultimately bears the cost.

    The QE and non-index-linking that people are complaining about is in reality people reaping what they have sown, and for that I have no sympathy.

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  • miramoore
    Love rating 9
    miramoore said

    Where I find myself feeling uneasy about pensioners and money is when I compare the weekly rate of the state pension to the unemployement benefits people get when out of work... Pensioners get more money than the unemployed. Pensioners deserve their money as they worked for it but back in the 70s there was plenty of work about: pensioners were spoilt for choice. Now, there is no work and to add insult to injury, young people have to go with less than the pensioners and when working, pay for their state pension...

    It's all wrong.

    And I am a pensioner.

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  • DLZ
    Love rating 12
    DLZ said

    Printing money is merely a way of raising tax. In some countries it's the main way of raising tax and requires little bureaucracy.

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  • anorak
    Love rating 1
    anorak said

    Following the strategy of low interest rates has been counter-productive.

    The people to have benefitted most are those with mortgages. And what do they do with that money - either pay off the mortgage earlier or save it to use as a lumpsum payment if interest rates go up. Not helping the economy.

    With low interest rates, bank rare eluctant to lend because whilst there is a risk there is very little return for that risk. Again not helping the economy.

    By having higher interest rates the pensioners/ savers have more money and more money to spend. Pensioners spend their money and the more they have the more they spend. Benefitting the economy.

    I am also fed up with hearing about the lost child benefit of the well off, they forget they are hundreds of pounds a month better off with reduced mortgages

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  • Offa
    Love rating 40
    Offa said

    No one seems to have spotted the basic problem. There are 60 million people in teh UK which is far more than can be accomodated with the economy we have. Therefore living standards must fall quite steeply without the government actually owning up to this fact.

    This will happen by :-

    1) Inflation being encouraged - QE=fall in value of pound

    2) Tax increases:- VAT to 20%, duty increases, extend VAT, increase APD

    3) Reduce benefits:- make it harder to qualify, child benefits

    4) Reduce allowances :- pensioners increased allowance abolished

    5) Freeze inheritance tax limits: - infaltion hits this

    6) Ensure interest rates are low: more savers than borrowers hits spending power.

    7) Have no sensible energy policy : rely on imported gas at astromical prices.

    Meanwhile if you are rich you can:

    1) Install solar panels/windturbines to get tax free income

    2) Benefit from lower top rate of tax

    3) Benefit from lower Corporation tax rates

    4) Have dinner with Cameron to keep the above policies in place

    5) Buy shares in the most stupid out sourcing companies as you will know the government will give them contracts and pay them whatever the results.

    Solution?

    Emigrate and take your wealth with you

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  • bengilda
    Love rating 80
    bengilda said

    Printing £325 billion of new money without domestic product to back it (remember Gordon gave away the gold) is in fact nothing more than devaluation of the currency by that percentage. That is paid for by savings and similar financial instruments losing their real value by that much. So, in reality, the devaluation (QE as it is now called for political reasons) is paid for by those who have saved.

    Whereas the deficit should have been recovered by closing down all politically nice but unnecessary elements of Government, government agencies and Government expenditure, including local governments and putting a 2 year moratorium on any new capital projects.

    Only by reducing national political spending to within our national income will we succeed in maintaining financial value and, in time, increasing it again.

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  • yocoxy
    Love rating 137
    yocoxy said

    Excellent conclusion Offa. Goodbye!

    For the rest of us who love this country, we just have to suffer the pain of paying the debts of too many consecutive years of Socialism. Fiscal responsibility will eventually get us back on track. But eventually public opinion will swing the other way and some will be saying they want to spend more tax for better services.. And off we go again on the merry-go-round of multi-party politics.

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  • Harajus
    Love rating 8
    Harajus said

    It's the party system stupid! Don't vote for politicians of political parties, because they won't represent YOU when voting, but their whips. Vote for INDEPENDENT politicians who have to represent their constituents instead. Then you won't get Q.E. and all the other things we're all unhappy and feel helpless about. Seemples.

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