People earning £40k know nothing about money

Harvey Jones
by Lovemoney Staff Harvey Jones on 30 January 2012  |  Comments 28 comments

Despite earning a salary far above the national average, many workers on £40,000 are clueless about whether they even have a pension.

People earning £40k know nothing about money

If you knew somebody was earning £40,000 a year, you might assume they were reasonably bright. After all, it’s a decent salary, more than one-and-a-half times the national average.

At the very least, you might expect them to know a little bit about money.

But no.

Say that person earned £100,000 a year. Again, you would think they knew how to manage their money. Yet many haven’t even grasped the basics.

Like, whether they have a pension.

Money can’t buy you brains

Amazingly, one in four Britons earning up to £40,000 a year are “unsure” if they have a pension, according to a new study from management consultants A. T. Kearney.

Unsure!?!

You would think somebody earning a six-figure salary would be right on top of this question, but nearly three out of 10 people on £100,000 don’t know if they’re paying into a pension.

Talk about more money than sense.

Women were particularly clueless. Half were unsure if they had any pension savings at all.

If people who can actually afford to pay into a pension don’t know what they’re doing, what chance have the rest of us got? 

Hammer House of Pensions

I hate writing about pensions. Not because they’re boring, as everybody claims: the great UK pensions meltdown is as grimly fascinating as any horror story.

What I hate is telling people they should save into a pension when many simply can’t afford to do so. They need every penny right here, right now, they can’t set it aside for some distant date.

But as this new survey shows, that’s not the only reason people aren’t saving into a pension. Not by a long shot. Plenty of people can afford to to set up a pension, but they don’t.

How mad is that? 

Um, what’s a pension?

If you can afford to save into a pension, and don’t, one day you will regret it. That £40,000 or £100,000 salary isn’t going to last forever. At some point, you will quit working, and then - Newsflash! - the money will stop. Yes, it really will. And at that point, what will you live on?

That’s right, one of those pension thingies. But only if you have actually saved in one.

If you haven’t, your above average income could become distinctly below average. I accept that £40,000 a year isn’t riches these days, especially if you have kids and a mortgage. But it’s a lot more comfortable than £6,000 a year, which is roughly what you will get with the State Pension.

Without a clue

If you don’t know whether you have a pension, it shouldn’t be too hard to find out. Start by checking your bank account, to see if you have accidentally set up a direct debit or standing order to a pensions company.

If you think you might have a workplace pension, ask human resources or your line manager.They should know where your money is going, even if you don’t.

If you need help tracking down an old company pension, try the Pension Tracing Service.

Found it!

If you find that you have unwittingly paid into a pension - well done! Now dig out your latest annual pension statement. This should set out exactly how much you have in your pot, and how much income that is likely to buy you, in today’s terms, when you retire.

These figures are worth knowing, even if you do earn £40,000 or £100,000 a year, because they can help you work out how much you need to save to enjoy a comfortable retirement.

You can’t be sure of the State Pension either

If you’re not saving for a pension, you’re not alone. The Government hasn’t been saving either. It pays for today’s State Pensions out of current tax revenues, rather than a separate savings kitty.

And that’s really worrying. Given the financial mess we’re in, the state could struggle to fund future pensions, plunging millions into poverty, even people who are earning good money now.

Now you don’t want that to happen to you, do you?

A taxing question

If you can’t save for a pension on an income of £40,000 or £100,000, who do you think should be doing it for you? Taxpayers? That’s hardly fair, given that the average worker earns just £26,244 a year, a fair bit less than you.

They can’t afford it, you can. So get saving.

You’ll have heard the phrase: If you’re so clever, why ain’t you rich? Well, it works the other way. If you’re so (comparatively) rich, you really should be clever enough to save into a pension.

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  • Iamcoldsteve
    Love rating 310
    Iamcoldsteve said

    Well, I am astounded that people do not know if they are paying into a pension - it is on your pay statement every month...

    I earn more than double what you have identified as the average, and yes I absolutely pay into a pension. The company matches my contribution, and the taxman gives me a rebate at the higher rate of tax too. Win, win if you ask me.

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  • Sooty's Mum
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    Sooty's Mum said

    I think that this is an unfair comment, just because someone is earning £40,000 does not automatically make them stupid.

    However, I do agree that not everyone understands a payslip and I would advise anyone, regardless of how much they are earning, to speak to your payroll department to explain the hieroglyphics on there. Not everyone understands the shorthand notes and it has taken me quite a while to work out why there is an extra payment or deduction which has arisen unexpectedly. Remember that human error may have caused it.

    And, regardless of income, try to find a few pounds to put to one side for your future because I can guarantee the government will screw you over and your kids won't be able or, often, willing to help.

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  • Escapeman
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    Escapeman said

    Well, I *do* earn £40 and I *do* have a pension plan, as a final salary pension scheme I joined 30 years ago.

    I took a lower paid job with a decent pension, which the Govenment now is hell bent on stopping me claim on it.

    And those Bright Young Things going into finance, getting their BMWs, villa in Spain and those red braces, did not start to save.

    I have a 16 year old Vectra.

    Those of us that have saved hard during our working life are now effectively being deprived of our savings.

    Those peers of mine, forever broke, with Sky, 3 cars, kids with every toy under the sun, are forcing us others to take a hit for their, well, stupidity.

    And no thanks to Mr. Brown who started taxing dividends on stocks held by our pension manages.

    May as well go and blow everything I have on the roulette table.

    We should only help those in need of genuine help. Blowing you dosh during your lifetime without a thought to the future does not come under that heading.

    Very Miffed Former soon-to-retire-employee-now-stuffed-and-having-to-work-until-buried-for-3-years

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  • Tog
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    Tog said

    This article would be more suited to a daily rag, creating a headline like that from a 1 in 4 statistic is just annoying. I assume you want to grab the attention of your subscribers but all you have done is put me off reading the whole article.

    The other 75% (me included) don't deserve to be swept up in that sensationalist headline.

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  • sippag
    Love rating 7
    sippag said

    Tog

    He either used accurate information or not, but I believe it. The number of people who love to pay 40% tax when they may not need to is legion. To lazy to be interested in money,compound interest and a comfortable old age. they think the government is going to supply their needs. They tend to wake up to late.

    Cheers

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  • OorWullie
    Love rating 38
    OorWullie said

    The trouble with socialism is that it makes people dependent on the State to secure their future needs. It is too easy to discard something that will arise at some future date on the mistaken belief that it is many years away; it is amazing how the years rapidly pass. During the period that I was in harness I put away the maximum amount possible towards a pension partly as I changed jobs pensions were not always carried forward; now into my 25th year of retirement I am struggling to make ends meet. Anyone who desires a reasonably contented retirement then join a pension scheme. In a relationship situation when both partners have jobs and are in pension schemes, then they are the lucky few.

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  • Yorkstyke
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    Yorkstyke said

    Sounds about right for the "I Pod generation"

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  • Bizmate
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    Bizmate said

    Totally disagree with this article and the whole logic behind it because it simply does not say the whole truth. The real fact is that the whole pensions business is a big revenue for banks/financial institutions that speculate on them. Pension law gives little control to investors and how the money is ultimately managed is up to your pension fund. How many people have lost rather than gaining through their pensions funds?

    The money you have put in a pension is gone for sure until retirement and nobody will give it to you earlier, for instance let's say for emergencies.

    My opinion is straight forward. Yes, you need a long term investment for you retirement but definitely do not invest into pension scams. Instead, plan some other type of investments, properties, gold, anything really that you can control and that you can actually directly manage instantly for the benefit of yourself and your family.

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  • moreteavicar
    Love rating 23
    moreteavicar said

    And lets not forget, to get on the housing ladder these days, you need to be earning at least £40k - hardly enough left for a pension when you pay so much to live.

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  • isobelsgrandma
    Love rating 35
    isobelsgrandma said

    @Sooty's Mum, have you read a different article? This one doesn't suggest that someone earning £40,000 is automatically stupid; however the reported 25% on that sort of salary who don't know if they have a pension most certainly are, firstly for not knowing (pretty incredible) and secondly for not ensuring that they do have one (astoundingly short-sighted). I would be the first to point out that many surveys/studies have only included a small proportion of the population but this one clearly identifies a potential problem. Of course management consultants, A T Kearney, may well have included such groups as tube drivers who apparently earn much more than their skill level would demand and I certainly wouldn't call them stupid for managing to do so but they may not be as financially astute as that sort of salary level would suggest.

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  • krustallos
    Love rating 41
    krustallos said

    @ 1Bizmate you need a long term investment for you retirement but definitely do not invest into pension scams. Instead, plan some other type of investments, properties, gold, anything really that you can control

    The trouble with that is that you don't get tax relief on gold or properties. If you pay into a pension scheme, the government tops it up with what you would have paid in tax on that income - so if you're on the top rate of tax you get half as much again in the pot straight away. With a work scheme you normally get a substantial 'employer contribution' as well. I agree that there's a problem with having to purchase an annuity, but that's probably more than offset by the tax benefits. Also, with a SIPP you can invest in property and other assets.

    The sensible thing is to have a pension and other investments as well.

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  • meldrewreborn
    Love rating 46
    meldrewreborn said

    I count myself as fairly clued up on finance and pensions but came to the conclusion many years ago that common sence when it comes to money isn't that common.

    Ask the younger generation about the features of the latest ipad or iphone, or comparisons between phone packages and many will give you bewildering detail on them. But ask about things like tax, savings and pensions they probably haven't a clue. One really has to question whether such people have their priorities right. I'm all in favour of having a finance GCSE as a core subject - people will need such skills for the rest of their lives. And perhaps when it comes to saving for retirement, kids would be taught that pensions are but one way of making suitable provision, but they aren't the only way and may not even be the best way for some.

    I'm fed up with the comments of people who are continually complaining that the financial institutions, be they banks, insurers or pension companies, are ripping them off and are conspiring to feather their own nest at the expense of the individual. Such attitudes come from a tired old political dogma bred by an over bloated welfare state. People have to look after their own financial wellbeing, not forever blaming other for their misfortune.

    And if there are people who are not saving for a pension which would bring with it significant employer contributions (which is not every employer scheme ) then they are in my view particularly stupid - that is like turning down a pay rise. And people can afford to save - spending money is all about priorities and some of today's priorities relate to being cool and fashionable rather than pragmatic.

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  • EastExpert
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    EastExpert said

    The payroll department will of course comment on what your payslip constitutes, just book a 10 min meeting and you'll be in the clear.

    Usually most IT companies try to encourage you to save, so have a pension plan and often matching your pension payment. This pension plan is often an opt-out rather than opt-in, so big chances are if you work in IT, you already have one.

    Just talk to that lady in Payroll. :)

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  • sbnisbet
    Love rating 1
    sbnisbet said

    Whilst agreeing that saving for your retirement is essential should you desire a reasonable life then, someone reasonably aware of financial matters would probably end up with a much higher pot if he/she invests regularly in a range of solid blue chips paying good, but not excessive, dividends - especially if enclosed in an ISA wrapper or a self controlled pension. OK, the pot will not necessarily be added to by the government but this method enables the saver to avoids a large slice of their savings falling into the troughs of greedy pension companies. It would be interesting to see comparison figures for someone about to retire, the income from a standard pension against buying shares in a sensible range of companies. Also, taking into account, that a standard pension disappears on death whereas the shares would end up as a legacy to whoever is nominated.

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  • electricblue
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    electricblue said

    If you could sack the headline writer for Lovemoney and have article titles which were less inflammatory and more related to the content, we might be able to waste less time in trying to get to the core of what the authors of these articles are actually trying to say. I also can't think of too many journalists who would use the words 'women were particularly clueless' without appreciating their risking anatomical modification and a voice a couple of octaves higher.

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  • muira
    Love rating 30
    muira said

    save for a pension,but do not go overboard,keep it minimal and draw it at 55 or earlier if you can,they are based on assumed life expectancy/spouse/dependant offsprings,if you have poor health,widowed/divorced/no dependant kids,you might never see the fruits of your labours,or your kids.the taxman has just announced he wants 20% of mine,,so much for the tax incentive when i was stoking it up..pensions are a gamble,and no one is rendered homeless or left starving if they don't have one..even better, strive to become the prime minister,apparantly you only need to be in the post for a day to qualify for a full lifetime pension,that is better than any bank salvage expert!!!

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  • navyguy1965
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    navyguy1965 said

    Fortunately I currently have a military pension with still another 22 years to work. I currently have worked for 31 years without a break since leaving school at 16. Therefore I have continually paid national insurance contributions since the age of 16 and will do for the next 22 years maybe longer if the government move the goalposts once gain. I have never claimed any sort of state benefit. Do I expect a state pension when i retire (Damn right I do) after all what have been paying and continuing to pay my NICS for. Ok I have had medical treatment off the NHS but the treatment I have had is insigniifcant compared to what I have paid in NICS during my working life.

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  • Sooty's Mum
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    Sooty's Mum said

    @isobelsgrandma, yes, I did read the article and I still say that there is an implication that people earning £40k may be stupid. And, just because someone is a manual worker eg a train driver does not make them stupid but it does make you prejudiced and a snob, your comment is not worth the pixels on this page.

    Many people get qualifications and then find a well paid job and not use them. Some are unable to get a job with them, try a chemist (not a pharmacist) or a physicist, the chances are to use their qualifications they will have to teach. Yes, both my parents are chemists, both my brothers are mathematicians and I am a biologist, I ended up doing personal tax and PAYE but still do not always understand the payrolls shorthand. My hubby was unable to get a job as a chemical engineer and ended up running an exhaust fitting centre until he was lucky enough to retrain into computers. Does that make him stupid?

    Some people do not get or are able to take qualifications for many reasons. Some people are not very good at studying but are still intelligent. Your condemnation is totally unwarranted and unacceptable.

    I am not suggesting that everyone is Einstein but I would certainly not condemn them all as below average intelligence. Some people may think that they are donating to a pension but have not signed up or even been sent a form or may decide not to join for a couple of years. I had been told that I had been joined to a pension and it took quite a while for hr to tell me that they had screwed up but had taken my money under a different reference. As I had no idea what their shorthand was it was difficult to tell but I did ensure that I paid. Not everyone has time, they are tired or short of money. Yes, it is important to check but don't just condemn someone from statistics, they are often wrong or mispresented.

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  • isobelsgrandma
    Love rating 35
    isobelsgrandma said

    @Sooty's Mum, wow! I really don't think that my post, which you also haven't read properly, warranted that sort of aggression. I see that you have modified your interpretation of the article from just because someone is earning £40,000 does not automatically make them stupid to there is an implication that people earning £40k may be stupid which suggests that you now agree with me. Stupid is your word. Even the headline writer who, as @electricblue points out, has a tendency to use inflammatory titles doesn't call the subjects of the article stupid.

    The same applies to the tube drivers: far from calling them stupid, I actually said I wouldn't call them stupid. What I called into question was their skill level: I understand that they do a 6 month training, a lot less than many manual workers and far less than, for instance, doctors who have a starting salary of £25K. I was merely questioning who may have been included in that particular salary bracket.

    I am neither prejudiced nor a snob and I certainly haven't condemned anyone but I wouldn't be afraid to talk about below average intelligence because, in order to have an average, some people must fall into that category and it is evident that you are the one with prejudices in that area.

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  • MikeB55
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    MikeB55 said

    Yet another shill for the FSI (Fleece Savers and Investors). Contributing to many private pensions funds which charge high fees etc is giving money to crimbos in pinstripes. Of course publice service pension schemes need to be changed - the private sector want to destroy them.

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  • LiamT
    Love rating 45
    LiamT said

    so, men are being forced to work until they are 70, yet we often die before 70. where is my incentive?

    i am at a company now that pays no pension. i cant afford to pay into a pension scheme as 1/3 of my income after tax is mortgage and am keeping a wife and baby.

    our retirement fund will be the house we will own.

    the older people on hear moaning maybe should think a little more. us younger people are often paying much higher proportion of our wages and get lower contributions from employers so you guys get to keep your final salary pension schemes while we get screwed on our useless ones. this was how it worked at my last company and when i asked how it was legal that the older you are the lower your contribution and higher the company contribution they just told me that this kind of discrimination was allowed.

    no wonder younger people dont want to pay. we know the older generation will find a way to look after themselves while screwing us over - its happened for thousands of years. we are always cleaning up their mess, much as you had to clean up some of the mess of your elders.

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  • Mark Vickery
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    Mark Vickery said

    As a parent with a salary that is about to make me lose part of my child allowance I can assure you I am far from clueless. We are taking out the maximum allowed in childcare vouchers to reduce my income, whilst saving on nursery costs, thus dropping my income.

    I have been paying into a stakeholder pension, which has been matched by my employer up to 2.5% of my salary and have ISAs and investments.

    If anything as you get close to, or exceed a tax band or watershed you get more shrewd to avoid clipping the next hurdle.

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  • AlanThomas
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    AlanThomas said

    I earn well over the 40K mark and have 3 personal persions (25 years ago I thought I would be smart and spread the risk with three very, very large pension providers) wish I had not bothered, the returns are all poor !

    No, the young peaple who earn over 40K are wise they have learned from the misake/performance of past providers

    Prudential...I think its still going...remember the TV ads in the 80's

    Royal Sun Alliance.... now in a zombi fund run by Phenix

    Equitable Life....say no more...Which magazine personal pension 1987.!!!

    And I bought all 3!!!...

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  • LiamT
    Love rating 45
    LiamT said

    AlanThomas:

    i agree. my dad paid into company pension all his life only for the company to spend the pension, give CEO a fat payoff and close down. he lost it all and had to start again at 50!

    i know they have supposedly stopped things like this happening but i dont trust them now.

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  • SiGl26
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    SiGl26 said

    The two major challenges to promoting pension savings are:

    1. The terrible performance of most commercial funds; meagre gains offset by high charges, sometimes wiping out the tax benefit

    2. The means-tested benefit system, which means the more you have provided for yourself, the less you get from the state; a major disincentive to all but the wealthiest to make any provision

    As many LM articles have said, it is possible to get the tax benefits with a low-cost SIPP and managing it yourself; a simple split of say 50% equities in a spread of index funds, 25% commercial property funds & 25% gilts would suit many people...

    For those who recommend ISA's for retirement saving; why would you put net income in an ISA when you can invest (a larger sum) of gross income in a SIPP holding exactly the same securities? Access might be one reason, but if it's for retirement...

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  • Iamcoldsteve
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    Iamcoldsteve said

    What do you call 'high charges'?

    Also, how do the charges wipe out the tax benefit - if you're a higher rate tax payer, that is some charge.......

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  • gavinb
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    gavinb said

    To those who haven't got it yet, LM articles are designed to be sensationalist and get the forum buzzing. Would be pretty boring with cold facts and figures...

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  • sippag
    Love rating 7
    sippag said

    This has just about run its course and done well firing you all up, but the point is that we as a nation have no financial education when we leave school, No idea about compounding growth and no interest in it.This has been the feeding ground for the financial sharks who had all sorts of rules to keep you poor. For many years when the markets and inflation were high we appeared to be doing ok. It is now crunch time, the majority are having to face the worst. When the banks feared cutting rates would effect their profits they resisted and we paid through the nose which left less to invest in a pension etc. Now its even better the low rates forced on them to help recovery is a gold mine and we are really paying through the nose and jobs are being lost.

    Just a thought

    Cheers

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