You're wasting your money with a SIPP

Neil Faulkner
by Lovemoney Staff Neil Faulkner on 18 January 2012  |  Comments 12 comments

The increasingly popular 'SIPP' pension has been criticised as inappropriate for many pension savers.

You're wasting your money with a SIPP

Skandia has said that 90% or more of those with self-invested personal pensions (SIPPs) are potentially using more expensive products for no reason. 

Skandia's marketing director, Nick Dixon, said that: “...there is a danger that many SIPP customers are in the wrong product.” By the end of this article I will agree with that, although not for the same reason as Skandia. 

Two advanced choices for pension savers 

If your employer already provides you with a pension and you think you don’t need any extra pension provision, you probably don’t need to read any further. But if  you don’t have a pension or you want an extra one, then platform pensions and self-invested personal pensions (SIPPs) are two of the best-known options. 

Skandia, which runs the biggest pension platform in the UK, says that too many people are going for SIPPs, because they aren't using them fully. Hence, they could do better by getting a platform pension, it says. 

About platforms 

Platforms offer a great array of investments in a large number of investment funds, usually hundreds or thousands of choices from dozens of fund providers. (Platforms can be subdivided into so-called fund supermarkets or fund wraps, but we don't need to concern ourselves with that subtlety here.) 

Platforms often help you avoid the high initial charges that many funds charge (sometimes as much as 5% of each contribution). With platforms you also may end up paying reduced annual management charges to the fund manager which I would define as 0.5% or less. 

You might also have to pay an annual fee to the platform provider on top of the annual charges, which could be a flat fee or a percentage of your total pot. 

About SIPPs 

With SIPPs you can usually invest in lots of funds too. Some offer nothing more than that, meaning that in reality they’re no different from platforms. (Indeed, some SIPPs offer  less choice than platforms!) This is one reason why it's hard to support Skandia's argument that people should flip from SIPPs to platforms. 

If it's your bag, many SIPPs – the ones that truly deserve the name SIPP – will also let you invest in individual shares and ETFs. Some go further than that, allowing you to bundle in such things as National Savings products, your own commercial property if you're a small business, farm and woodland, and gold bullion. 

SIPP costs can be even more complicated than with platforms once you add in different charging structures for shares and more exotic investments. 

Examples of platforms and SIPPs

I can't review all platforms and SIPPs, but I'll go through the best I've stumbled across over the years, having double-checking the prices today. 

The Alliance Trust Select SIPP has access to six super-cheap index trackers – from Vanguard – with the funds charging as little as 0.15% per annum in annual-management fees. 

You have more than 1,400 more funds to choose from, too, which is plenty for most of us. In addition, you pay a £135 annual administration fee to Alliance Trust. Share-dealing costs at least £12.50 and dividend reinvestment costs £5. 

Alliance Trust also has a Full SIPP, which allows you to invest in everything that Revenue & Customs lets you invest in – meaning all the exotic things too. This costs £474 to set up and £660 per year, plus extra charges depending on precisely what you invest in. These are hefty costs for your flexibility, so it is to be avoided unless you are an expert in one of these exotic investments. 

Fidelity Personal Pension has a larger selection of funds than Alliance Trust including cheap trackers, although it doesn't have the super-cheap Vanguard trackers. 

However, you can't buy individual shares or anything else, which means this is a platform by most people's definition. (Even though Fidelity refers to it as a SIPP, but that's not important.) This comes with no set-up or annual administration charges, so you just pay each fund's annual management charge. 

If you're primarily interested in investing in individual shares, rather than funds, look into SIPPDeal. This has no set-up fees and no annual administration charges. It usually costs £9.95 to buy and sell shares. 

Note that you could buy exchange-traded funds (ETFs) in this way, because they are bought and sold on the stock market. ETFs function like index trackers and, on average, are nearly as cheap as the best index trackers. Read more in Two simple ways to invest better in shares

SIPPDeal does let you invest in funds too, but the offering isn't as attractive to me, when looking at the annual management charges and small range of index trackers. 

The popular Hargreaves Lansdown SIPP is also worth a look for more balanced charges between funds and share-dealing. Sadly the firm increased its charges recently, but it did add some cheap trackers in return. 

A cost-saving interlude

If you think I'm focusing too much on costs and charges, and not enough on the expected gains from each of these investments, think again. The key factor in investing is costs. 

Most people who pay just a few hundred pounds extra a year, or just half a percent more than the cheapest offering, can expect to do worse. That's the weird thing about investing: higher costs usually means lower returns in the long run. In investing, you don't get what you pay for. 

It comes back to costs again

The real difficulty is in the comparison of costs and charges, which is incredibly difficult for most people to do. Whether you're comparing two SIPPs or one SIPP and a platform, the cost structure is often so different that it requires significant effort and maths skills to estimate which will be best for you. 

Don't overlook more simple pensions 

When Skandia said SIPPs weren't for everyone, it meant that you should instead invest in platforms – like Skandia's own. However, while I agree that SIPPs are too expensive and complicated for most investors, platforms aren't necessarily much better. In addition, comparing SIPPs and platforms is a big headache and so, overall, they're probably not suitable for many lovemoney.com readers. 

Luckily, we can avoid this nightmare altogether by going for the most simple pension product: stakeholder pensions. While some are totally naff and over-priced, others give the vast majority of retirement savers just what they need from their pension: a handful of index trackers at low cost. 

If you want to set up a stakeholder pension, check out discount broker, Cavendish Online. It charges a one-off £35 fee when you set up a stakeholder pension through it from any pension provider. It will then rebate some of the commission – including from the index trackers. If you take the Aviva stakeholder pension, for example, many of the trackers will be reduced to just 0.55% annual management charge as a result. It’s an especially good deal for smaller pensions. 

More: as an alternative, or in addition, to a pension, compare share ISAs through lovemoney.com | The best Sipp for your retirement | Become a pensions expert in five days

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Comments (12)

  • burgdorf
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    burgdorf said

    This is a totally muddled article with no rational conclusion. There are a variety of different pension options since retirement provision is always going to be based upon 'horses for courses' and always needs to be tailored to specific individual circumstances, especially if there is no company pension scheme option.

    To come up with the general and definitive headline "You're wasting your money with a SIPP" is a completely meaningless and ridiculous statement - I doubt that even a reporter in The Sun or Daily Star would come up with such a crass headline..

    Some £75bn is invested in SIPP policies in the UK according to Pension Managements 2010 report. Is all of this money being wasted and is every SIPP policyholder just a complete fool who is being duped into wasting their money ?

    I'm really surprised that LoveMoney publishes this kind of stuff !

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  • AdAstra100
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    AdAstra100 said

    I tend to agree with burgdorf. Very confusing and time consuming to try and read. Can't say I have heard of a Platform in the regulatory sense. Does it give the same tax relief entitlement as a SIPP?

    It is indeed 'Horses for courses' and as a retiree I use my £3600 SIPP allowance to keep me under the higher tax rate threshold which our kindly Coalition reduced significantly this year with out too much publicity! I prefer to use equities and manage the SIPP alongside my ISA investments and I must say the 40% relief provides welcome leverage of my investment. Drawing any income can be complex and cost but I will be waiting for the tax bands to come back in my favour before acting. One further question does anyone know if there is a defined threshold below which you can take the whole pension pot, ie my SIPP, as it is a 'small' amount and not have to buy an annuity in due course?

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  • TimPageCFP
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    TimPageCFP said

    Agreed. The quality of this reporting needs to improve fast.

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  • burgdorf
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    burgdorf said

    "does anyone know if there is a defined threshold below which you can take the whole pension pot, ie my SIPP, as it is a 'small' amount and not have to buy an annuity in due course?"

    AdAstra100 - I believe that you can drawdown the whole pot tax free in one lump sum if it is less than £18,000. You might like to verify this with The Pension Advisory Service on 0845 601 2923. They are an independent organisation partially financed by the DWP and they are very helpful and accessible.

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  • AdAstra100
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    AdAstra100 said

    Burgdorf,

    Thanks for the advice.

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  • rabb5it
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    rabb5it said

    This article totally confused me.

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  • harrishadlow
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    harrishadlow said

    I guess the main thrust of Neil's article is that SIPP's have a high profile so anyone looking to start a pension, either as an extra pension or because there is no pension offered by their firm, would think a SIPP the only option. However, SIPP's offer flexibility at a price, there may be better (& cheaper) alternatives that still offer a sensible choice of investments for the majority of people.

    I think Neil should have said a Platform pension is really a way of investing in a pension product through a platform provider, as I understand this could be, but doesn't have to be a SIPP. The platform itself provides a way of investing in multiple funds/providers with a centralised way of accessing/reporting/action. One can use these for investing outside a SIPP, Personal Pension or ISA

    Yes charges are important but I feel security of provider is too.

    So my conclusion, don't put all your eggs..! My SIPP via a platform provider gives me a chance to try new things, maybe to hold assets other than funds. It also offers good research tools, valuations, refund of charges etc. It offers cheap trackers etc but charges a flat fee which make the % cost of holding the fund considerably more for a small fund. For a personal pension, outside a company scheme, I put my money with L&G in a Stakeholder, they seem solid and a good name. Yes Equitable Life looked like a good name at one point, what can one do! The Stakeholder offers reasonable investment alternatives such as global equity index trackers etc with a 1% cap on charges reducing as the pot increases.

    For me the Stakeholder pension is a very good second alternative to a company provided scheme, sure look at SIPP's but don't forget the charges. I haven't looked at NEST's yet or what they can invest in, charges etc but am hopeful they will be a good choice.

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  • sippag
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    sippag said

    This is an article that is all things to man and women and confusing for all.

    A Stakeholder Pension for those with a fund likely to be under 100k may be best. I may also be protected by the government. A Sipp is not protected. The problem with SIPP's is that the rules are not designed for them and the officials have no understanding of how they will work for the long term investor. They are doing all they can to bounce you into an annuity which may not be in your interest. Only a dividend growth fund will really cover all your needs and still leave a fund for your beneficeries. The GAD Rules are showing that they do not relate to your fund. In my case taking the maximum my fund dividend income is 43% higher than I can take. So the Revenue are losing out which makes no sense.

    SIPPAG stands for SIPP Action Group which I hope to create during the coming year. There will soon be a million Sipp holders in this country very soon. With no representation.

    Cheers

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  • Olesuffolkbuoy
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    Olesuffolkbuoy said

    I agree this is not a helpful article. Like many, I have found myself (more than once now) with a pension vehicle emanating from some well known 'platform' that suddenly closes to new business and ends up being managed as a 'backwater operation' from some dingy office by anything other than leading investment managers. Going with the biggest seems to be no protection these days. I have just discovered that my AXA plan has been quietly hived off to someone called Resolution Life - and blow me, theres NPI and various others, quietly dying off. I really did think a SIPP might give me more control over this kind of problem - and more options on how I can build and influence my final pension pot. Thank you sippag for pointing out that the rules,yet again,lag behind what the industry is up to!

    Save us in our retirement!

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  • sippag
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    sippag said

    Olesuffolkbuoy.

    Have a look at at Sippdeal Ltd and Hargreaves Lansdown. I have 2 Sipps with one and one with the other. Transfers of shares,funds etc may be possible without selling them first.

    Cheers

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  • UpHillAllTheWay
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    UpHillAllTheWay said

    I wish harrishadlow had written the original article.

    I am going to retire in a couple of months, and am currently considering a QROPS, which is a pension arrangement for ex-pats. Of course, I would have to become one, but if there is no compelling reason for staying in the UK, google QROPS and see what you think. I may have been taken in by the hype, but it certainly seems to offer a lot more flexibility, and a lot more control over how you use your pension pot, the possibility of leaving ALL of it to your heirs, and although I don't think I would personally care to live there, ex-pats in Dubai pay almost no tax, either there or in the UK.

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  • rpb
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    rpb said

    First you say:

    "The Alliance Trust Select SIPP has access to six super-cheap index trackers – from Vanguard – with the funds charging as little as 0.15% per annum in annual-management fees."

    and then:

    "Most people who pay just a few hundred pounds extra a year, or just half a percent more than the cheapest offering, can expect to do worse."

    Yet your recommendation is a stakeholder with fees nearly this much higher:

    "If you take the Aviva stakeholder pension, for example, many of the trackers will be reduced to just 0.55% annual management charge as a result."

    Confused...

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