Why you'll be working until you're 71

Harvey Jones
by Lovemoney Staff Harvey Jones on 19 April 2011  |  Comments 26 comments

If you want a decent pension when you retire, you'll be working into your 70s...

Why you'll be working until you're 71

As my mother liked to say, what you want in life and what you get are two different things. Cheery I know, but where retirement is concerned, she definitely had a point.

When you want to retire, and when you can afford to retire, are two very different things.

The average age that Brits would like to retire is 58 years old, according to new research from Axa. I’d sign up for that. But dream on, because you and I know it isn’t going to happen.

The age we expect to be able to afford to retire is a more realistic 64 years old. As you can see, that’s a very different thing, six years different.

Sadly, the differences don’t end there. The average age the average person can actually afford to retire is even higher - 71 years old.

That means we will have to work for 13 more years than we want to, and seven years more than we expect.

I hope you like your job.

Work or die

Every few months, somebody produces new figures showing just how long we will have to go on working to avoid penury in retirement. The results are never pretty. Indeed, just last month came the news that Middle class pensioners are doomed!

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One minute you’re dreaming of retiring at 65, the next you’re facing another five or six years at the coal face.

As far as I can see it, we all have just three options.

1. Save like crazy. After a lifetime of making fat monthly pension and ISA contributions, you might just have built a large enough pot to retire while you’re young enough to enjoy it.

2.  Work until you drop. No pension worries if you drop dead at your desk!

3.  Retire early anyway, and hope to muddle through on the State Pension.

These are all tough options. As you can see, I’ve inherited my mother’s cheeriness.

The blame game

I’m only the messenger, so you can’t blame me. So who do we shoot?

Personally, I blame doctors and scientists. They keep finding new ways of making us live longer, and the longer we live, the more money we need to see us through retirement. Dang those scientists!

If you've left your pension planning to the eleventh hour, find out how to catch up quick.

You could blame yourself. You want a long and healthy retirement, don’t you? Maybe 20 or 30 years of freedom? Did you expect somebody else to pay for it? Yes, I know you’ve paid your taxes, but you haven’t paid that much.

You can certainly blame the politicians. Over the last 15 years, MPs have voted to raid private and ravage State Pensions, while awarding themselves the most generous pensions in the world (and routinely fiddling their expenses, but let’s stick to the subject, shall we).

Finally, you can blame the bankers. Stock markets and annuity rates have tumbled since the credit crunch, and the average pension now buys 40% less annuity income than five years ago, Axa calculates.

Strangely enough, bankers are the only people whose pensions are so big they make MPs jealous. Where’s the justice?

Reasons to be cheerful

Don’t completely despair. The stock market recovery of the last 18 months has boosted the value of our pensions. In March 2009, the average person couldn’t afford to retire until around 76 years old, Axa calculates. Today, it is down to 71, which is progress. If the market recovery continues, that could fall further.

But only if you are actually saving in a pension.

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Another piece of good news is that the government remains committed to launching its flat rate £140 a week State Pension from 2015, and ditching the dreaded means test. This should grant everybody who qualifies a basic annual income of £7,280 a year, with any savings you have made yourself coming on top of that.

It’s the most exciting pension reform of my lifetime. And yes, I did use the word exciting.

Do these three things

Every time I urge people to save like crazy in a pension, I slightly hate myself. Because I know there are millions of people out there who can’t afford to pay today’s bills, let alone tomorrow’s pension.

If you can’t afford to save for your pension, there are still three things you can do.

1.  Make sure you qualify for the full basic State Pension. If you’re not sure where you stand, request a State Pension forecast today.

2.  If you’re in work, join your company pension scheme. If your employer doesn’t offer a pension now, it should do so after 2012, under the forthcoming auto-enrolment pension scheme. Don’t squander this opportunity.

3.  Clear your debts. You might just scrape by on a tiny pension, but you could sink if you have to service debts as well. Make sure you are on course to clear any mortgage, credit card, overdraft and personal loans before you hang up your boots.

Can save? Do save

If you can afford to save for a pension, are you doing so? If you’re not, there is only one logical explanation: you like working so much that you never want to give it up.

Is that true?

Does your boss like you so much he wants to see you creaking into work well into your 70s?

You better hope so.

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  • vossbark
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    vossbark said

    But what's so wrong about keeping on working a bit in small part time less stressful jobs after you have 'retired'? It keeps your mind alert, body healthy and you get to meet new people and do new things as well as topping up what little pension you may be getting. You can do many things: B&Q, Tesco, Sainsbury's and many others employ 'seniors' and benefit from their experience. Make yourself a self-employed gardener, or cleaner or dog walker or a carer. Lots of those needed and you can work as little or as much as you need.

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  • eLJay
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    eLJay said

    Oh no the middle classes can't retire!

    How about selling that large investment you made and downsizing, do you really need a house that big? I'll be looking for a small house with a workshop so that I can stay a mad inventor and run businesses from it.

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  • Dachlawine
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    Dachlawine said

    I'm "only" 41, so maybe it's too early to know for sure, but I can't imagine wanting to retire completely. That said, I work freelance in a job that I enjoy. And who can predict what technical advances may even make me obsolete by then?

    Apart from people who hate their jobs, I think many who are capable of it often want to work past the official retirement age. Let's bear in mind that when current retirement/pension systems were designed, a far smaller fraction of people were expected to live long enough to benefit from them. The "demographic bomb" will bankrupt our system if we don't at least make it easier for older people to work for as long as they want to.

    The other great hurdle, of course, will be in combatting Alzheimer's, which is creating ever more people requiring care with ever fewer carers.

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  • russelljcarr
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    russelljcarr said

    Get a mortgage might be a useful step prior to being able to paying one off.

    Young people nowadays have no hope, we can't even expect to be able to live from our equity in retirement.....because we're paying the mortgages for our parents generation (extortionate rent) and paying the debts of that same generation (increased taxes, reduced services, worse job market)

    Thanks!

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  • povertypot
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    povertypot said

    How glad I am that I didn't take other people's advice. I saw an opportunity for 'early retirement' from education. In fact, because I had bowed out of management, to go back into the classroom, I needed to retire or begin to lose pension:. teachers' pensions being based on the best average of three from a ten year window. I was not forwarned of this and nearly didn't realise it in time. However, I could see a demographic slump looming, meaning fewer pupils for my school/area and therefore less of a pot to pay teachers. I was one of the most expensive, so requested early retirement on grounds of 'school efficiency'. This is only rrely granted, but when the LEA did their sums, 'our' school needed to lose 16 staff. The bonus for me was, because I was under 55, my pension had to be made up to full quota by the county / school. That was two years ago.

    I still have a mortgage to pay (for a further 10 years) but now work freelance in various capacities, a few days a month. Work seems to seek me out and helps to keep the wolf from the door. In four years I will also have a second pension, from a divorce settlement. So I am not too worried that my State pension goalposts have changed three times in the last ten years. By the time I get to 66, I will be better off than I have ever been as I will then have no debt and, having lived my life to date on a shoestring, I will be having the time of my life.

    My advice is, make sure you understand how your pension is calculated and make sure you know the optimum time to secure it. Be pro-active, even if that means being brave. Colleagues said, 'I wish I could afford to do that.' The fact is, on paper, I couldn't but I also couldn't afford not to. Oh, and my health is so much netter too ;-)

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  • rioandthelma
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    rioandthelma said

    I worked for over 50 years in the construction industry and started a pension when I was 18.

    The earlier you start the more you have to put into a pension pot but I don't suppose that many youngsters of 17-18 years old read these articles and comments

    I also built houses in my "spare time", there are too many people around who think all they have to do is sit in front of a monitor at work and then a screen at home without having to exert any effort and the state will give them a hand out.

    If you want something you have to put in the work and effort and not blame every body around for your own laziness.

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  • bobearnshaw
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    bobearnshaw said

    Can I suggest there is another way; get a part time job that will eventually pay you a residual income, even when you decide to stop working, It's called Network Marketing. There are plenty of organisations out there; Forever Living, Utility Warehouse, Kleeneze, to name but three.

    I'm working with one of these, and with 3-5 years consistent effort, I will be earning an income that will pay me more than my pension ever would. If you want to know more about one of these, please see http://bit.ly/dNucsj

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  • richardbrinsden
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    richardbrinsden said

    Am Icorrect in thinking,according to my pensions advisor,that if I die my life insurance policy will be subject to 55% tax.Please someone tell me that this is not another tax to rob our loved ones if I die.

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  • Medusawithboo
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    Medusawithboo said

    Yes, Iam afraid so ! If you die your beneficiaries face a 55% tax rate. Its a rubbuish deal, dont bother !

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  • oldhenry
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    oldhenry said

    There will be no jobs for you lot anyway. They will want younger employees who can be paid less. The UK is doomed and that means we are in for a much lower standard of living. Costs will plough upwards ,and taxes of course ,so whatever savings you have will be savaged. The only hope is for those who are self employed in jobs who provide services that people must use. If self employed you can usually keep a bit more of your earnings than the normal wage slaves.

    The bottam line is there are too many people in the country for teh wealth generated. The manufacturing has gone and we are left with 'cutting each others hair'. That simply does not work economically so there is no wealth to be shared out- but politicians will look after themselves and their mates you can be sure of that.

    I think capitalism has failed up now and a rethink is required urgently. Too much wealth is within too few peoples hands now.

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  • bert.bryans
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    bert.bryans said

    we have saved as requested by the state,just as we are about to retire ,my wife will now not retire at 60 [shes 7 years younger than me] .This will reduce our income by 5K a year .I will be 72 by the time her pension cuts in.I just miss out on the new 140 a week by a year.we do not have the income or time to be able to make any difference! I do not think any of the MPs care.All we have left is the vote,bring on PR,local council and the next general ,not that they will be bothered with big fat pension a and a pay off for going.

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  • sodit
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    sodit said

    Work until you are 71? Chance would be a fine thing. Unless your career has been vertically integrated, that is each succeeding job is related to the preceeding one in some way, then your experience is discounted, and why would anyone employ an old git without relevant experience when they can employ callow youth to do the work? You haven't worked in the aerospace industry for 8 years? Then you're clearly incompetent in that field. Not taught science for 4 years? Then you're so out of touch as to be unemployable (after all the laws of science and the nature of children has moved on so far in that long period). The concept of the Quality System has moved from the production line (where it is appropriate) to the management of people, where it is not. Employers today take the attitude: "We have defined your job, you are not here to think, you are here to fulfil that narrow purpose, and anything you may know outside of those narrow confines is irrelevant to us". We more elderly need to have a nice little earner. A favourite used to be to run a sweet shop, but competition from the supermarkets and increasing business rates and rents have knocked that one on the head. What to do? There's an idea for a series of articles... nice little earners for people who can't afford to retire. (LoveMoney - If you take up this suggestion contact me via my e-mail address to find out where to send my fee).

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  • vega
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    vega said

    My wife and I are 78. We are still working 7 days a week in our guest house. Not because we want to but because we have to.

    The old age pension for both of us is about £9500 per annum. We need at least 12-15000 to live. Selling our business would be great but no chance at present for obvious reasons.

    Selling also presents the same financial requirement as above. The overheads are more expensive to run the business at about £25000 but we work harder to host paying guests in an effort to survive.

    We are unable to obtain benefit to help because we are a business. Yet should we sell there is a capital gains tax of 38,000 for us to pay which leaves us short in the long term to buy a small home and survive. I think we at least deserve this after paying tax for so many years, generally working 6-7 days a week since we were young.

    Cameron and the other political parties come out of the same pot and the only reason he offers still a disgusting pension of £140 per week in 2014 is because all of us will be very lucky to still be here by 2014 and anyway inflation may be so high it will probably cost £100 for a cup of coffee. Remember Germany 1929! In the meantime however Cameron will renege on his promises as he has already done with the referendum on Europe.

    Everyone moans about the private pensions being cut, but I only wish we could receive even a quarter of a private pension to help us. This was no fault of ours not having these pensions because it was a different ball game in the 1940-50s.

    There is only one pot of money in the country and everyone of us has to share that pot. Should a banker or a footballer take a hefty slice, someone else has to suffer for it.

    Its really only peoples own faults for moaning. Get off your bums, communicate with others, demand your diminishing rights, do not vote at any time for any of the three parties. Thank you.

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  • naednhoj
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    naednhoj said

    Dear poverypot,

    The reason why some respondents are working in their late 70's is because they are self employed or in the private sector and are in the real world where they pay taxes to allow you to retire below the age of 55. To retire as you have done you have to be a millionaire. All you had to do was be found redundant in the public sector.

    I have been stuffed by private sector pensions being underfunded or companies folding as have hundreds of thousands in the same boat and I class myself as lucky as I earned more than some to put money aside, even with two part time businesses on top of my 55 hour week for 35 years

    So I for one would vote for any party who will get rid of the trillions of pounds of debt you and others like you are foisting on others. There may then be a bit left for others who are still working over 10 years longer than you and you might not be so smug.

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  • Baldingscotsman
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    Baldingscotsman said

    I have read this article with great interest and once again I am staggered at the number of people who still in this day and age believe that a JOB is the ONLY way to generate an income..! despite what they tell you in the media - the future for the average guy in the street has NEVER been better...! The internet especially has created a level playing field like never before where you can litterally run a small business from your spare room while you sleep..! Think outside the box a little and you may not even need a pension.

    www.nicelittlenestegg.com

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  • onthecomputer
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    onthecomputer said

    I don't know what everyone is moaning about, ok it is wrong that the goal posts have been moved, it should have been far more staggered than it is now, unfair to say to someone who is already 55.. you cant retire till you are 66 - your dream of retiring in 5 years time are squashed and you have to wait 6 more years(what if you have already taken early retirement at 52). Other than that, people were warned to take out private pensions, what has been wrong is the pension credits that is why the pot is running dry, those who saved and were less burden on the state where ignored yet those who drained the state were rewarded - madness.

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  • Steviebaby1959
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    Steviebaby1959 said

    Quote ''The average age that Brits would like to retire is 58 years old, according to new research from Axa. I’d sign up for that. But dream on, because you and I know it isn’t going to happen.

    The age we expect to be able to afford to retire is a more realistic 64 years old. As you can see, that’s a very different thing, six years different''.

    Sorry, but, I beg to differ that this is ''new research''.

    I wrote on the other lovemoney thread that the NI contributions payable by you to enable you in obtaining a full state pension has now fallen to just 30 years. When I was a lad it was 41 years, having started work at the age of 17, like most folks did back in the 1960's/1970's, which would have enabled me to take early retirement at the age of 58 knowing that I had paid in enough. So, this isn't new research, it's what the law stated at the time and what we have all worked towards ever since commencing full-time employment. However, now that the threshold has fallen to 30 years, I'm in no rush to work solidly until I'm of pensionable age as having worked and paid in for over 35 years now, I think to myself why bother, I'll be able to claim the full state allowances of the day, if, and when, I get to that age.....At present, the State Pension age is 65 for men, but, over these last few years, Tony Blair said it would be increased to 66, then it became 67, and under current legislation the State pension age is due to rise to 68 between 2034 and 2046. By the time I actually reach 65/66/67/68, it may have dropped back down, who knows ??

    And if you become unemployed before you're a pensioner and you currently have more than 5.5/6k pounds in savings you can't claim full state unemployment benefit anyway, so, you may as well spend it all NOW whilst you've still got your good health and can go around the world on holiday, etc. I may not live longer than 60, so, waiting to become a pensioner is a bit of a none event really, live for today, you don't know how long you've got left, and if you reach the desired age, then good for you, enjoy yourself, you've earnt it.

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  • BobLoader
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    BobLoader said

    £140 pension?? That doesn't apply to people who have already retired, we remain on the exsisting level. Has this shoddy LibdemCon government worked out that by the time of the next election there will be fewer of us older pensioners to vote against them.

    How can any fair minded and responsible administration favour some people but not others, its disgaceful.

    As for retiring, I retired after 40 years in one company at the age of 57, then started my own business which I ran until I was 75 and enjoyed every minute of it.

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  • Basia02a
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    Basia02a said

    Retirement Age is a life choice and does not have to be determined by the State Retirement age, which should have been moved gradually starting years ago. If you want to retire early then save for it like anything else. Dont buy new cars, holidays, have children, mobile phones, big teles etc. The state pension was designed to be a catch all for the disadvantaged, not to support a life style. I too have seen my retirement age move again to 66, but I am reliant upon it.

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  • redrover
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    redrover said

    retiring at 66 will be a luxury for me. All these people complaining about moving the goalpost and pension cuts etc should spare a thought for the younger generation. I will be FORCED to work until I am at leastt 68 and probably 70+. It is time to face the facts that people are living longer and are healthier in old age. There are a whole bunch of baby boomers set to retire in the next few tears and it is very possible that they could live for 30 years in retirement and we have to pay for it somehow.

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  • redrover
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    redrover said

    retiring at 66 will be a luxury for me. All these people complaining about moving the goalpost and pension cuts etc should spare a thought for the younger generation. I will be FORCED to work until I am at leastt 68 and probably 70+. It is time to face the facts that people are living longer and are healthier in old age. There are a whole bunch of baby boomers set to retire in the next few tears and it is very possible that they could live for 30 years in retirement and we have to pay for it somehow.

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  • Savvy chic
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    Savvy chic said

    BobLoader - there's always cut-off dates for anything like that. My great-niece was born a couple of days too early to get the Child Trust Fund and my second grandchild was born too late for it.

    However, not only that but we existing pensioners only got £480 of an increase in our annual personal allowance against income Tax whereas everybody else got £1k increase, courtesy of the Lib-Dems in the Coalition. That is blatant prejudice as far as I am concerned and I simply do not understand how George Osbourne is getting away with it.

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  • The Democrat
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    The Democrat said

    Today's retirees have had a roller coaster over the past 40 years to contend with. Government tinkering, demographic changes and the collapse of both integrity and ethics in the Life Houses have all contributed to todays' sorry pensions state. Existing pensions are fair game apparently. Pay 44 years of NI and we'll give you a flat rate of 100.00 SRP per week. Contribute not one penny and we'll give you over 130.00 in pension credit. It's not unfait, it's obscene. And now some wet behind the ears Spad at the DWP wants to flat line SRP at 140.00 per week, excluding existing pensioners. I call that proposal nothing less than fraud. My money, my contributions, some else benefits. Actually it's not fraud, it's robbery. This whole sorry mess could of course be sorted if we had politicians with the guts to do the right thing. Stop immigration - easy we are an Island, Chuck out ALL illegal immigrants and enter into a contract with the legal ones. Economically active or out. Simples. It works perfectly well in a country with a far larger land mass and far fewer poplulation than ours - Australia. Then we make an immediate start to FUND a state pension through NI. Say at 1% to start, a ring fenced fund to properly cater for future generations. It could easily be done. All it lacks is the politcal will. Oh and by the way, if we can have referendum on a pathically minor issue like AV, why not the real one on staying in Europe or not?

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  • mambach
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    mambach said

    (Disclaimer: only in my thirties) All I can dream is that by 70 I might have paid off my student loan and can start to save for a house.... What is this retirement thing, and will I be able to tell the difference from unemployment?

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  • Mike10613
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    Mike10613 said

    You are better off working until you are 71, it keeps the mind active and stops you going senile. I see the first signs in my brother and he is only in his 50's but he likes EastEnders; his wife told him so...

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  • bobmattfran
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    bobmattfran said

    I am continuing to work as long as I can because I enjoy the stimulus. I watched my fathers generation retire at 65 and gradually deteriorate into doing nothing except eating, drinking and sleeping. My work is interesting it allows me to keep my brain working and keeps me both mentally and physically healthy. The additional income allows me to save and enjoy regular holidays. The idea of retiring just does not appeal to me yet, I am 66 and hopefully will still be working in 10 years time.

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