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by Lovemoney Staff Neil Faulkner on 22 October 2012  |  Comments 36 comments

The antics of MPs and their London homes has hit the headlines. Neil Faulkner looks at exactly what's been going on, and how politicians are cashing in.

How MPs rent out their homes at taxpayers' expense

You may have gathered from the tone of some recent news articles that MPs are doing something that seems a bit dodgy with their homes. These MPs have concealed their identities, despite Freedom of Information requests, using the convenient cover of “security reasons” and “privacy issues”.

Just because something smells fishy it's not easy to know which part of it stinks. That's what I want to clarify here.

Working from two locations

When you become an MP, you're allowed to rent a flat in London and claim it on expenses.

This is so that you can stay in London once in a while, perhaps because you need a break from all those nagging constituents, or so you can take your family to visit London Zoo, which is different to the House of Commons, incidentally. Occasionally you might even get up early enough to go to Parliament to jeer the opposition in a jocular way.

Whatever the reason, having your own taxpayer-funded London pad certainly swerves the inconvenience of needing to pick up the phone to book a room for a mere £150 per night – the maximum politicians can claim on expenses for hotels.

What's going on?

If we can return to the smell that we caught a whiff of at the start, it seems to start with the fact that 27 MPs own a London home that they are renting out to someone else, while they rent another London flat for themselves, and claim the rent back from us taxpayers.

If that doesn't smell bad, you must have a blocked nose.

Some MPs don't have to search for a flat

Most of these second homes are privately rented, with expenses claim limits in the region of £20,000 per year.

However, some of these are London flats that are owned by the taxpayer and used by high-ranking MPs. Examples include 10 and 11 Downing Street for the Prime Minister and the Chancellor respectively, but there are many more for other ministers.

These are called “grace-and-favour” apartments, and the rent on some of these - if it had to be paid - would be considerably higher than the limits shown in the expenses rules.

It's unclear which of the meanings of “grace” is intended here. It could refer to a smooth and elegant movement – which is not a meaning of grace you'd usually associate with MPs, outside of their slippery ability to avoid answering questions.

Perhaps the definition of grace intended is courteous manners – just like the good graces former Chief Whip Andrew Mitchell recently displayed to “pleb” policemen? Or is it the grace of God? Are politicians blessed with holy houses at our expense?

Personally, I think MPs might just be gracing us with their presence in Parliament. They're less likely to do any damage there than anywhere else, I suppose.

For instance...

Some MPs with grace-and-favour flats say they're “not allowed” to continue living in their own homes for “security reasons”, even if they already have a flat not a million miles away from the House of Commons. Liam Fox is one such MP who said that, while speaking of his time when he was Defence Secretary.

Despite his current, lower security risk, he still now rents a flat privately while continuing to rent out his London home – and claiming around £20,000 per year in rent.

He was quoted as saying that he will sell the flat he's renting out “eventually”. In the meantime, it's hard for him not to profit at the taxpayers' expense.

Yet the Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority's (IPSA) rules on MPs expenses state that: “Members of Parliament must not exploit the system for personal financial advantage.”

Feeding your own tail

At least eight MPs, according to IPSA, are renting flats from or to another MP – possibly both.

There is no system in place to ensure that MPs charge each other a fair amount. This means the landlord MP can charge more than the going rate to make a fat profit and the tenant MP can simply claim it all back from the taxpayer.

Meanwhile, the landlord MP rents out a flat nearby – possibly from another MP – and claims this back from the taxpayer. They could even do it in a circuit of MPs, which would be the perfect example of what Germans call a “devil's circle”.

The Daily Telegraph exposed that MPs are renting out previously taxpayer-funded homes to other MPs. Until recently, Members of Parliament were allowed to claim mortgage interest back in expenses, meaning they could buy a house and profit from price rises at no cost to themselves. By renting out these homes today, they can continue to profit from them.

It's clear that it's unclear

Politicians appear to be gaming the expenses system. But, whether or not that is really happening, under the expenses rules it is just as important that they're not seen to be profiting.

The guidance relating to MP expenses states: “The system should prohibit MPs from entering into arrangements which might appear to create a conflict of interests in the use of public resources.”

Renting flats to each other and then renting other flats at the taxpayers' expense certainly qualifies here.

You all seem to agree. In a Telegraph poll last week, more than 27,000 said MPs should be forced to reveal if they rent out their taxpayer-funded homes. Fewer than 500 voted otherwise, which is curiously close to the number of Telegraph-reading MPs in the country.

The expenses guidance also states: “The system should be clear and understandable. If it is difficult to explain an element of the system in terms which the general public will regard as reasonable, that is a powerful argument against it.”

The fact that I need to write an article merely trying to explain the system and how it could be abused puts doubt on the fact that the system is “clear and understandable”. Time for more public outrage to force this loophole to close.

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  • pc2574
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    pc2574 said

    I have come to expect better from this site than this article.

    Do we all agree that provisions should be made so our MPs can attend parliament and live in reasonable proximity to their constituents (where the two aren't in the same location)? Probably, yes.

    Are some people sufficiently well-off that they can make investments in property? Yes

    Has London outperformed the rest of the UK property market consistently in recent years? Yes

    Could most, if not all, politicians earn a greater salary in jobs outside politics? Absolutely

    So, short of simply complaining that some people are financially able to invest in property in London, I'm not sure what point is being made here. By heavily limiting the salary and benefits of MPs, it leaves the career open only to those who have private means to support themselves, whereas anyone without such means would seek employment where the remuneration is commensurate with the hours/stress/level of skill/intrusion of private life required.

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  • rbgos
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    rbgos said

    I agree with pc2574 - if a politician also happens to be a property investor, owning a house (or flat, or entire street) and letting it out, that is nothing to do with his job as an MP. Why should they be disbarred from getting a free flat for themself (and thus lose the income from their investment), when another MP who doesn't invest in property still gets their free flat? And, yes, they do need a free flat to do their job properly if their constinuency is outside London.

    I do agree with the article that MPs who do invest in property, then letting that property out to each other, would constitute a conflict of interests - that bit DOES smell bad.

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  • yocoxy
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    yocoxy said

    Hmm. I came here to smile at the anti-politician rants from the readers and the only one is from the writer..

    I'll come back later, I'm sure you won't let me down..

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  • JOHN MAXWELL
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    JOHN MAXWELL said

    i have a suggestion which may be knocked backwards as i don't know what the financial implications would be for the tax payer. if an MP has to stay overnight in London give him/her a £120 allowance which they can spend as they wish. they can stay with family, stay at a Premier Inn or stay at The Ritz and pay the balance from their own pocket. my other suggestions would be to look at time management for the Houses of Parliament and video conferencing to avoid the need to stay in London overnight.

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  • marram
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    marram said

    Three points:

    1. Grace-and-Favour: 'grace' in the biblical sense means 'undeserved kindness' or an 'unearned gift'. Enough said.

    2. If it's all set up to make it easy for them to attend parliamentary sessions why is the House of Commons empty most of the time unless there's a really big vote and the whips are on full alert?

    3. This is for #yocoxy: Most politicians are a load self-seeking, greedy and dishonest individuals whose finest achievement seems to be just turning up for work. The few genuine ones who want to help others and really make a difference soon discover that their hands are tied thanks to the various conflicting interests of powerful and mostly faceless money men (or women)

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  • LiamT
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    LiamT said

    pc2574 i might question this bit...

    "Could most, if not all, politicians earn a greater salary in jobs outside politics? Absolutely"

    not from what i have seen. i wouldnt trust many of them run a tap, let alone a business. its not just about the salary they get (tax free IIRC), they get a very generous pension, do little work compared to the rest of us with no consequence of failure bar a reshuffle, feather their own nest more than they could in business and of course take every opportunity for us to pay for their houses etc.

    oh, and of course award themselves nice pay rises in a recession when they are failing badly.

    i would say give MPs a 150k salary. from that they must rent their own 2nd home, not let them sit as none-execs directors on companies (who they often award nice contracts to) and their only job can be MP. how many of them have the time for media jobs etc yet supposedly work a full time job amazes me.

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  • marram
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    marram said

    On the whole matter of second homes it could not be simpler! If an MP lives too far from London to travel daily, then he can justify buying or renting a second home. It should be just adequate for his or her needs. He cannot both buy AND rent, and claim for both. No-one objects to MP's being landlords in their spare time but come on! If he owns a flat he should live in it! How can he (or she) possibly justify claiming rent under these circumstances?

    If he already has a home in London where his family live, then too bad. He does not need to claim for a second home. That's life. 'Expenses' in the real world are just that. A reimbursement of expenses incurred in the process of doing one's job. Not a means of boosting one's salary.

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  • pc2574
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    pc2574 said

    Marram - do you actually have any first-hand experience of politicians, or do you just swallow whole everything the Daily Mirror tells you and regurgitate it as your own opinion? I see a spectacular degree of missing the point and oversimplification. I bet yocoxy is really enjoying it...

    I am inclined to agree with LiamT on the point regarding remuneration. Politicians may not be the best we have to offer because the salary is too low. If they know all "legitimate" expenses will be reimbursed, they have no incentive to do the sensible thing. Though it should be noted that travel and hotel accommodation are both painfully expensive. Having an allowance should cap expenses and give the public sector more control on expenses. If we think we could attract twice the calibre of political candidate by doubling the salary, I'm all for it.

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  • Phyrefly
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    Phyrefly said

    @pc2574 - on the contrary, we could probably attract twice the calibre of politician by _halving_ the salary. It's the only way to ensure that we get people who want to run the country for the good of the country, and NOT just to line their own pockets.

    Doing away with a reasonable salary doesn't help, because then we end up with political office that can only be filled by the independently wealthy, but the lowest reasonable salary will attrach the best possible candidates.

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  • LiamT
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    LiamT said

    pc2574

    i agree on that. also remember a 150k with no tax is basically closer to a 200k salary in the real world, so that is almost 10x the national average.

    i would even be tempted to say no to 2nd homes. the vast majority of MPs seem to rarely turn up in London so why are we paying 20k a year for all those 2nd homes, especially with all the fiddling that goes on.

    i say have a hotel dedicated to MPs with security. they can all stay there. it will stop any funny business going on. Or what about bedrooms in the houses of parliament? its big enough and has great facilities.

    we have all had to cut our cloths accordingly due to the recession yet they refuse to cut back at all.

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  • GuinnessGooner
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    GuinnessGooner said

    Why not set limits for renting a property?

    Pegging the same rates for MPs to that of the Housing Benefit Allowance would presumably be the fairest thing to do? After all, if 'ordinary' people can find somewhere to rent for that amount, surely our wonderful lawmakers can? And if they choose to live somewhere that cost £20 k per annum, they can make up the difference. Also, they should be limited to claiming the 1 bed allowance. I do not think someone on housing benefit can justify a 2 or 3 bed house or flat based on the chances of a friend or relative wanting to stay the night!! Easy solution, obviously will never be considered. Perhaps an online petition to make them explain why it would never work would be interesting......

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  • Donna Ferguson
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    Donna Ferguson said

    Excellent article Neil. I laughed out loud in parts!

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  • LiamT
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    LiamT said

    good point GuinnessGooner

    since they deem that as acceptable for 'plebs'.

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  • sprog34
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    sprog34 said

    Footballers £220.000 per week. Prime Minister £142.000 per annum. Says it all.

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  • pc2574
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    pc2574 said

    Yes - it does seem rather unfair not to reflect the same cost reductions in the houses of parliament as are to be made in the rest of the public sector. Perhaps reduce the number of constituencies by the same percentage of the cuts. 650 is an insane number of MPs.

    The cost of this would be considerable though and neither main party would be happy with the other one doing it when they were in government.

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  • LiamT
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    LiamT said

    sprog34 - supply and demand.

    footballer also dont have massive state funded pensions and most of them pay tax. they can also only play for x years. dave can retire and get a nice pension and security. plenty of footballers careers end early with injury and they have to make do with their earnings for the next 60 years.

    also, football brings joy to half the nation. when did a PM ever do that?

    pc2574 - unfortunately we cant rely on these self serving piggies to ever reduce their own take home. after all, these are the people that helped cause the recession, gave themselves 2 pay rises while we are in the worst recession for many years and when questioned about expenses actually managed to get criminal behaviour charges quashed, along with making it harder to see how their expenses are handled.

    or you could compare to jobs like ambulance driver. £13k starting salary!

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  • yocoxy
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    yocoxy said

    Does anyone really think that someone educated at Eton and Oxbridge is feeling overpaid at £65k per annum?

    If one MP has a buy to let flat in London and one doesn't, is it fair that he one without the flat can claim rent but the one with the flat must live in it and can't claim the mortgage interest? (after the last furore withdrew this option). Of course they're now renting.

    A level housing allowance for all would solve the problem overnight.

    I'm disappointed that the really ridulous rants haven't surfaced yet. I guess because Jeremy Kyle is still on. ;-)

    I'll check back.

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  • Badspell
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    Badspell said

    Do away with this loophole by building a secure hostel, owned by the government. Solving the whole issue of needing somewhere to stay overnight in London and doing away with rent expenses. This would be much cheaper than paying rent with taxpayers money.

    But I know this would never happen because it sounds too much like common sense, which is against government policy.

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  • Talent
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    Talent said

    yocoxy.... how do YOU know Jeremy Kyle is still on? I wouldn't know what day he's on.

    Any road up, you say it's 'not fair' that MP's that own flats in London would have to live in them and get nowt whilst other MP's can rent one at public expense.

    You have a weird sense of 'fairness'.

    Also, one would think that in the majority of cases of MP's that were educated at Eton and Oxbridge, they would have no need to skim and scam their way through life.

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  • Aitken B
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    Aitken B said

    Whether MPs are worth the money they are paid is not a matter discussed by this article although they are always banging on about payment on results. Paying MPs by results whould spark a healthy discussion.

    MPs are doing a job of work for us. If that job requires them to be in London overnight for part of the time it is perfectly reasonable that the expense of that is re-imbursed. It does not matter whether the MP owns the property or not they should be reimbursed for the additional expense they incur. E.g. If an MP purchases , with his own money, an appartment in London in addition to his family home, it is entirely reasonable that we, his employers, should pay a reasonable amount for our use of it not withstanding that we are using it to accommodate the MP himself while he is away from home on business. The problems start when "they" see and employ a method by which they make a profit.

    What is not acceptable is the sort of behaviour displayed by one MP or team of two MPs who happend to be married to each other. They purchased a property, claiming the loan repayments on expenses and then, when the loan was repaid, transferred the property to a family trust so they could rent the property to themselves claiming the rent back on expenses. This might well be an extreme example but the point is made.

    Properly the property in the above case belongs to the taxpayer because we paid for it. The fact that they retain ownership of the property, more than paid for by the taxpayer, is clearly very profitable for the couple.

    While reimbursement of expense is entirely right and proper there should be no profit in cash or kind. It is that profit element that is entirely unnacceptable. It would not be alowed for the rest of us in the real world so it should not be allowed in the "Alice in Westminster" world of Parliament.

    The point about "grace and favour" accommodation being mandated for security reasons is really a small one as there are not too many examples. It's not worth getting excited about and by all accounts, some of them are not all that comfortable.

    I agree that a "hostle" should be set up for MPs overnight stays. It would remove the argument. It will, however, not happen.

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  • worlduser
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    worlduser said

    Don't know what to make of some of these comments?

    So conflicting are some of them, I swear you are either a politician or taking the p**s!

    For starters, a politician if able to secure a job in the private sector, would be sacked within weeks if their performance matched that of their political duties!

    Salary... they are paid too much, £65k is far above the average for the UK.

    Expenses... they should have to pay their own way, then claim it back the same way a private sector employee would, (they are supposedly doing that now) don't think for one minute this is what is happening!

    Second homes?...good luck to them if they can afford it, but don't claim it back at tax payer expense.

    Accommodation!... Well, this is a tricky one but do you not think they would book a hotel or similar for their one or two night a month jolly! Much cheaper for the tax payer and less chance for the politician to scam the taxpayer.

    Travel... yes, this is a fair claim, but in first class? Who do you think you are that we should be told to get on our bikes while you travel Rolls Royce class!

    And finally

    Pensions... stop raiding the private sector pension pot.

    Get a grip on the banks.

    And no, we are not all in this together.... it seems some are more equal than others!

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  • Badspell
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    Badspell said

    Aitken B

    tis actually hostel :)

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  • electricblue
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    electricblue said

    Football certainly doesn't bring joy to half the nation. More people are interested in fishing.

    The MP's who could certainly earn a hell of a lot more outside politics are mostly Conservative which means that when your average Socialist gets his snout in the trough the excesses are always far worse. Could anyone seriously imagine John Prescott making a living in any form of business if it didn't involve some abuse of power related to his position?

    If we expect a variety of backgrounds in politics and for people to disrupt careers and perform to a reasonable standard we can't pay our MP's a pittance. Suggesting otherwise is just plain stupid.

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  • yocoxy
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    yocoxy said

    EB, I fear you are mistaken. Fishing is the largest participant sport in the UK. I don't think it competes with football for the number of people who "enjoy" it. There are very, very few spectators and TV coverage doesn't spread the joy very far either.

    Average weekly Premier League attendance is 700,000 per week. For the Championship it's 350,000. There are two more professional divisions, all the non league games and thousands playing Sunday League football each week. Add to this the TV viewers (approximately 5M watch MOTD) and I think it is hard to deny that football is the most 'popular' sport.

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  • pc2574
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    pc2574 said

    Let's not turn this into a discussion about political views as that is ulimately futile. In order to make a political career accessible to anyone who is capable of being elected, travel and accommodation should be supported to permit them to do that job.

    The lowest MP salary is far more than the lowest paid of the electorate, so to many they will all seem "rich". However, one would reasonably expect someone capable of doing what must be viewed as an important job to be remunerated very well. Until this is the case, it will (sometimes, not always) attract those who accept the ego boost in lieu of the additional money they could earn doing an equivalent management role outside politics. After all, we all have families, hobbies, life aspirations for which a bit more money for doing the same job would not hurt.

    It is only fair that expense claims for travel and accommodation are covered.

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  • LiamT
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    LiamT said

    electricblue - prescott was actually quite wealthy before he became an MP.

    most of the toffs just get work via nepotism.

    and btw - im not affiliated with any party, i dont trust any of them.

    65k with no tax and nice pension is a pittance? thats 3x the national average wage

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  • Tanni
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    Tanni said

    Gone are the days when MP's would be fighting to keep Britain Great. The last fifty years has seen our MP's acting in the interests of big business and Europe. Our voted MP's have sold our sovereignty to Brussels via the back door while bantering on about free trade and democracy.

    I'm sorry, well am not really; the entire system stinks. I remind you that most of the MP's are influenced by the lobbying firms. Most have discrete meetings...recall Mr Osbourne on some yacht prior to the election talking about his flexibility to particular donors? Recall Mr Cable acting as an advisor to the legalised loan shark company Wonga.

    Do you recall the hacking of phones by news media, the same news media who host events for our MP's. Like I said the entire system stinks of corruption and negligence.

    Our MP's affiliate themselves with mainstream parties to get more pulling power in the Parliament because on their own they cannot do anything ( check George Galloway and Mr Snow the lone ranger). Our democracy has been abused by the MP's and by big business.

    We have bailed out banks. By we I mean you and me the tax payers have taken on the debt of the banks, the very same banks which have screwed this country over for the last 300 years. These banks have done their dirty deeds via the full permission of successive governments. They have allowed this by installing hard to manage regulation which relies on honesty and integrity of the banks...recall Libor fixing I mean lying to rig markets lending rates...it's simple; we cannot succeed with sell out MP's with no backbone working in an environment where none of them really know what is going on. We need qualified people in place of these loud mouth manipulative, negligent and sometimes treacherous MP's who are only after lining the pockets of big business and themselves.

    I assure you that in the future, when we look back at our systems that had failed us we will see that most of these MP's and the regulatory bodies are not fit for purpose.

    Kick em all out now I say. Look into how the election system works, how much it should cost and how much it really costs. Then run for MP yourself....we can only trust each other not these cheap cowards we have in power at the moment.

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  • marram
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    marram said

    #pc2574 - I don't have the least idea what the Daily Mirror says as I've never read it except in passing. Ditto for the Sun. I read the Times, Guardian and Independent.though not neccessarily on the same day. If you are asking if I know any politicians personally then no, not any more, although I had a more than passing acquaintance with several Labour MPs way back in the 50s and early 60s when my father was an active Labour Party member. I was too involved with Banning the bomb to get involved myself. Most of the MPs I met then seemed to have very high principles and standards of honesty. Of course I may have been viewing them with rose-coloured glasses because in those days newspapers were less forthcoming about the secret lives of the rich and famous unless they got caught.

    On the matter of 'he gets that so I should too' - it's irrelevant.

    I worked for a multinational company until I retired and was elected as the Employees' representative for the British branches. When we held a meeting in Surrey I was able to drive down to the meeting from North London where I lived, so could only claim a mileage for use of my car. The French, German, Belgian, Italian and Spanish reps had their airfares and a stay in the very plush Golfing Hotel paid for by the company but I had to drive home that evening in the rush hour. Unfair? Not in my view. But then I'm not a politician.

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  • marram
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    marram said

    #pc574 - Don't you think that saying 'pay them more and we'll get better people' is something of an over-simplification?

    Are mercenaries always the best soldiers?

    It suggests that you imagine that only those who actually need money are the ones who steal it. You should recognise that it is a well observed fact of human nature that the more one has, the more one wants.

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  • pc2574
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    pc2574 said

    Perhaps "back in the day" there was more genuinely wrong with the country to strike/campaign/vote about and society (politicians and us plebs) really is broken, but relatively well off. I certainly believe that instant media is partly to blame for a lack of respect for politicians. I sincerely doubt that any are actually idiots as they are so often branded - they are, at least for the most part, highly intelligent and motivated people. However, a number of them have opinions that differ from mine.

    Anyway, I qualified my view that more money would attract a higher calibre politician and I am also open to being enlightened by a counter-argument. I would rather be governed by a mercenary who demonstrated their ability to manage in a job beyond the political sphere and would lose their job for getting it wrong than by a well-meaning idiot who fundamentally lacked the required skills but wanted to effect change. Not saying this would always be the case, but I can certainly think of examples. My view is that I would like the most capable people motivated to do the best job they can for us.

    Re expenses, your story sounds exactly the same as my company expense policy. I would agree it is fair. However, they also have to make provision for when travel home is impractical.

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  • marram
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    marram said

    Politics is an interesting sport - it's not exactly one you can train for is it? In fact 100% of MPs are amateurs if you think about it

    Of course you can get a bit of a taster by getting on the local council, but still it cannot prepare for the MP thing. I suppose joining the school or university Debating society has certain similarities!

    The truth is that most of the real work gets done by a faceless army of civil servants who are just following the guidelines issued by the government of the day. Unless of course the government of the day decides to bypass the paid servants and give a private company millions to do the jobs the civil servants are already being paid to do. (ATOS 'healthcare' vs the DWP). Don't get me started on that.....

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  • amwell44
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    amwell44 said

    This is not what I want from Lovemoney. Cheap, really and undoubtedly written by a Guardian reader.

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  • celticlass
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    celticlass said

    @Tanni.......well said!!! I hate the way this country has gone *rotten*...its totally not what the last generation meant for us!!

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  • yocoxy
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    yocoxy said

    Congratulations everyone, relatively reasoned debate.

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  • PoohBah
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    PoohBah said

    I'm sure Neil had fun taking a pop at grace and favour residences, but I rather think most people do expect the Prime Minister and Chancellor of the Exchequer to live at 10 and 11 Downing Street. Trotting out of the front door of 16 Acacia Avenue to make a public statement does not quite have the same gravitas.

    I agree that MPs should have somewhere to rest their heads in order to be able to attend Parliament, and it should be somewhere more personal than a hotel which is typically not at all suitable for extended or regular use. I feel the best answer is an accommodation allowance: this would do away with the round robin rentals, and ensure that MPs have no particular advantage whether buying or renting, nor would they have an incentive to manipulate the system. No doubt a few would still try, but that's human nature for you.

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    margad said

    why cant the governement own all these properties? and allow mps to make use of them while in office. that way the taxpayers retain the asset value of the property it owns.

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