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Serena Cowdy
by Lovemoney Staff Serena Cowdy on 02 March 2010  |  Comments 17 comments

The government wants to help you save money and save the planet at the same time. So what's the catch?

The government has just announced plans that could make it cheaper and easier for homeowners to pay for energy-saving measures.

Energy secretary Ed Miliband aims to slash carbon emissions from UK homes by 29% over the next ten years. And to help hit this target, he’s announced a package of measures to make Britain’s homes ‘greener and warmer’.

Here, I’m going to look at one of main parts of the scheme, and find out whether it really could help you save money and the planet at the same time.

What is the PAYS scheme?

A major element of the package announced will be a Pay As You Save (PAYS) scheme, providing ‘green home loans’. These loans will fund energy-saving measures like loft insulation and the installation of solar panels.

The interesting bit is the proposed repayment structure: homeowners taking out these loans will be allowed to pay them back over a period of up to 25 years, using the savings they’ve made on their energy bills.

Consumers will apply for these loans (of up to £10,000) though their local authorities, supermarkets and DIY chains. Major retailers and energy providers may decide to offer complete home insulation packages, as well as individual energy-saving measures - like the installation of a smart meter.

What if you move house?

Nowadays, very few people live in the same home all their adult lives. And people moving house a few years after taking out one of these loans may not have long enough to recoup the cost in energy savings and pay it back.

To avoid this problem, the plans propose that each loan will be linked a particular home, rather than to a particular person.

Because of this, people moving into a new home would need to consider the green repayments that come with it, as well as the energy-efficient measures that have already been installed. 

What are the benefits?

The main benefit of the proposed PAYS scheme is that many homeowners would be able to avoid the large upfront costs associated with energy-efficient home improvements.

At the moment, major energy-saving measures - like large-scale insulation or solar panel installation - can end up costing hundreds or even thousands of pounds.

The government is also keen to stress the employment benefits associated with its proposed package: it claims its new ‘green strategy’ will create 65,000 jobs in the green home industry. 

How much could you save?

In theory, homeowners taking out PAYS loans wouldn’t be worse off on a day-to-day basis, because the energy savings made would be at least equal to the repayments they were making.

Of course, individual savings would depend entirely on the work you had done. For example, according to the Energy Saving Trust, the installation of decent loft insulation alone could save you around £150 per year.

Are there any downsides?

As part of the wider ‘green strategy’ package, the Department of Energy & Climate Change (DECC) does say it will “direct help to those that need it most”, with energy companies targeting work towards lower income groups.

However, there is criticism that the PAYS scheme itself will only help homeowners in a financial position to repay the loans. For many people in fuel poverty, their first priority is cutting back their energy costs immediately.

And it’s still unclear how PAYS loans would help people in the private-rented sector, whose landlords have no incentive to improve the energy efficiency of the buildings they let.

Where can you get one?

PAYS loans have already been piloted in around 500 homes in London, Birmingham, Sunderland and Stroud. However, it seems it will be a few years before these green loans will be coming to properties near you.

Earlier today, a DECC spokesperson told me that the PAYS scheme needs legislation before it can be introduced, so the details of how to apply aren’t yet available. However, the idea is to “encourage implementation of PAYS from 2012”.

Of course, there’s the small matter of a general election before then - so PAYS may never get the point of implementation.

What do you think? Does PAYS sound like a good idea? Would you consider taking out a green home loan? Leave a comment here and let us know.

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  • Swarbs
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    Swarbs said

    Sounds like a good idea, but have they given any indication what the rates would be? This idea sounds ripe for exploitation by banks and home improvement salesmen claiming the repayments are "only" a few pounds a month, when the interest rate is actually around the 15-20% level you usually see on home improvement loans.

    Re: the landlord issue, I would have thought it would only be an incentive to good landlords. I double glazed one of my rental properties purely because I thought it would be more attractive to prospective tenants, and would fetch a higher rent (which it did). If I could have spread the £6,000 cost over a long time scale, with a reasonable interest rate, I would have gone for it in a second, and a lot earlier! I would have also thought that long term tenants would be able to negotiate with their landlord to pay a bit of extra rent equal to the amount they should save in heating etc. But yes, it probably won't work all that well for short term lets and cowboy landlords.

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  • bimber
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  • Serena Cowdy
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    Serena Cowdy said

    Swarbs - thanks for your comment. It seems that specific loan rates aren't being mentioned at this stage...

    All that being said interest rates would be set at levels that meant households could repay their loan from resulting energy savings. Quite a vague assurance I appreciate!

    PS - I wish all landlords were like you!

    Cheers,

    Serena

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  • DanDHRT
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    DanDHRT said

    Don't forget that there are also hundreds of ways to conserve energy and clean water in the home. There are also many places to find out what others are doing which they find useful

    http://dailyhomerenotips.com/energy-conservation/

    The above is a free home energy savings and water savings collection of what other households are doing to reduce their energy and clean water utiltiy bills in their own homes. It currentlyexceeds 500 of their ideas used, of which:

    400+ are simple and easy to do

    275+ cost absolutely no money to do

    115+ cost just a little money

    120+ are clean water conservation suggestions

    115+ are electricity reduction approaches

    110+ are home heating savings tips

    80+ are home cooling savings tips

    People are doing a lot of great things and they are willing to tell anyone who will listen.

    And, using many of the ideas in this free collection are independent of any type of loan....and will help achieve savings faster to payback such loans.

    I hope this helps,

    Dan

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  • Fletch
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    Fletch said

    I've spent the last 4 weeks struggling to get someone to come and repair my solar panels which has focussed my mind on maintenance costs of these systems, both financially and in terms of the effort of finding someone prepared to do the work.

    It would appear its not economic for the installers to repair as they make more money on new installations. When you do find someone then the labour costs alone eat up the annual savings from the system.

    Inheriting a system with a house, like we did, has turned out to be expensive enough without having 20+ years left on a loan to repay as well.

    I can see this scheme devaluing houses that are included in it.

    F

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  • Swarbs
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    Swarbs said

    Serena, I'd be wary about calling it an assurance at all! So if you fit loft insulation, the cost is £150, the saving is £30 per annum, so they could charge you 20% interest and claim that the interest could be repaid from the savings! Sounds like a recipe for rip of merchants to me, I can see the double glazing companies rubbing their hands already...

    And Fletch, that's a very good point. I'd be wary of doing any improvements and installations like that where the overall volume of installations means there isn't a competitive maintenance market. Are yours not covered by any warranty?

    P.S. I wish all landlords were decent as well. Without the cowboys, there'd be no need for all the flipping annoying regulations and associated expense!

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  • Swarbs
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    Swarbs said

    P.P.S. Any idea what the status is with leasehold properties? In our last flat the council was the freeholder and refused to let us double glaze the windows unless the whole block agreed. Obviously not everyone had £7,000 just lying around so we were left with draughty old single glazed frames in which I had to tape over the gaps! Will these loans be available to leaseholders in situations like this? Although even if they are, I expect the council would only find some other reason to object, or some term in the lease that makes it impossible to be warm and energy efficient as long as the block is council owned...

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  • famelessfish
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    famelessfish said

    Back in October, I was in a group that did a market research project which sought opinions as to which of 3 solar panel subsidy schemes to implement, of which this was one. Inevitably, it was the one I ranked lowest.

    The others included buying the panels for a much reduced total cost - say £1500 - but not owning them. That privilege, plus the benefits of sell-back of any excess electricity generated would go to the installers, who would claim ownership after 25 years (by which time, no doubt, technology would have advanced to the point of making the panels obsolete anyway). They would also have to do the regular maintenance (every 5 years, I think) and inspections at no charge to you, a not-insignificant saving. For my lowish usage, this would have meant break-even in purely financial terms in under 10 years, as opposed to the current levels, essentially breaking even long after I've departed this world.

    Obviously the above will not be to everyone's preference, but it seemed to me to be a far more likely option to encourage mass acceptance. Whatever preferences people have, it does show how slowly we move in this respect, 4 months having elapsed since the original research, never mind implementation in 2 years time (at least).

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  • laurenceS
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    laurenceS said

    Would not say being an expert, but working in the field:

    PV: 1 kWp installed south facing 40' angle no shade (can not get any better

    than that) approx. 600 kWh yield per year. (Midlands). As we speak, generating

    500 W. Solar thermal, (pre)heating water at least 5 to 10 times as much

    (depending on installation, if the installation is done well, maintenance is negligible,

    however, there are some less qualified installers out there...)

    Wind turbines on roof: vibration into structure and low yield due to turbulence

    on the roof, not a good idea either. (generally speaking)

    Things that do the trick:

    1) Insulation: poly styrene backed plasterboard does miracles on single

    brick outer walls

    2) Ventilation with heat recovery: Once the insulation and draft proofing is

    in place, ventilation is the next major heat loss. I've seen installations.

    people put in double glazing, and mould start to appear on the wall. By adding

    a big fan in the kitchen, the moisture and mould disappeared. So did the heat!

    3)Under floor heating (with insulation under the concrete slab) What most

    installers don't tell you that if the return of a condensing boiler is too

    high, it is not condensing, so the efficiency is lower than the value on the

    label.

    4)Heat pumps: be very careful reading the label. If the overall system COP

    (including not only the heat pump itself, but also the pumps/fan/temperature

    differences/etc. is lower than 3, and you have a gas connection, a condensing gas boiler

    is more efficient, higher power output, lower carbon footprint and a lot

    cheaper. For the planet better still, are the micro CHP's, which a proposal for

    feed in tariffs is underway. A power station burns coal and looses with that

    2/3 of the energy in the atmosphere to generate electricity. Gas generates less

    CO2, and the heat is used as well. Also the generation time is 5 o'clock on a winters

    day, when the power stations are struggling to meet demand, because there is

    still very much resistive heating in this country. (Nuclear by the way

    generates approx. the same amount of CO2 as wind turbines per generated kWh and

    has the same regulation problems, only on the other side of the scale, you have

    to use the electricity when the wind is blowing and you don't want to tinker

    too much with the controls of a large nuclear power plant.)

    So before you think of putting PV on your roof to save the planet, there are

    more things to do, cheaper and with a much higher comfort level as a result

    Laurence

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  • Mick James
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    Mick James said

    Those daily home tips are hilarious. No wonder Americans use so uch energy:

    Put Lay-Z-Boy on Power Bar & Turn Off

    Shovel Snow By Hand, Not Blower

    Turn Off A/C When Out On Errands

    Use Electic Kettle To Boil Water

    Use Front Door More vs Garage Door

    Use Hand Opearated Can Opener vs Electric

    Auto Timer on Pool Filter / Cleaner

    Turn Off Outdoor Fountain on Dry Days

    I particularly liked:

    Unplugging Beer Refridgerator

    Drink Lots of Wine

    Wear PJ's Multiple Times

    And finally:

    Use Pets To Keep You Warm

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  • Mike10613
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    Mike10613 said

    I think everyone is missing the point of the scheme. It's not really for photo voltaic systems or wind turbines. It is for basic stuff like cavity wall insulation, loft insulation up to a new much higher standard than the old 4 inches will do stuff. To a lesser extent it may apply to double glazing where windows do need replacing. 

    A scheme has been piloted in several areas, but a much larger scheme has been done on local authority housing to bring them up to a reasonable standard with energy efficient boilers, draught proofing, loft insulation nd cavity wall insulation. To make some homes less of a ghetto style home, they have also been given more improvements like new roofs, kitchens, bathrooms and rewiring. One major company that undertook the work sub-contracted it out to many smaller companies and it not only kept a lot of people in work it continues to do so and it creates new opportunities particularly for apprenticeships. So it has a triple role, providing employment, cutting energy bills and cutting carbon emissions. 

    The downside is that government and councils don't employ good engineers any more and so when the clerk of works inspects the finished work, he nods and approves it whether it has been done right or not. Bureaucrats are no substitute for properly trained engineers. the electricians doing the rewiring have to be employed by a employer with the new certification. That means a lot of self employed electricians can't do the sub contracting. In fact a lot of electrical work is done by people with minimal qualifications checking appliances with extremely expensive portable appliance testers (PAT testers) and qualified tradesmen go into other businesses because of the bureaucracy. There will be courses for people to change light bulbs next, dim light bulbs of course; they are so low energy. 

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  • McLeodC
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    McLeodC said

    Hopefully, by encouraging wider taker-up of high-tech energy efficiency and microgeneration measures, the scheme will help make them more affordable for all householders, regardless of whether they sign up to the scheme or not. Personally, I think I'll wait for that to happen before investing in costly technologies with a long payback period - we really need economies of scale to bring down costs of things like solar panels.

    In contrast, many energy efficiency measures are simple, relatively low-cost quick-wins with a short payback period, and furthermore generous grants are often available to fund insulation work for pensioners and those on benefits. It's hard to see how the scheme will improve take-up of basic efficiency measures, when it is already commonsense to install them.

    Incidentally, does anyone know whether the scheme will apply to the whole UK, or only to England? The boiler scrappage scheme recently announced doesn't apply to Scotland.

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  • Savvy chic
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    Savvy chic said

    A good few years ago, I had a couple of guys round to tell me about Solar Panels. (My house faces absolutely due south at the back.) It was going to cost £4000 and was only going to provide hot water. As I was only paying £12 a month at the time for heating AND hot water, I did not go ahead.

    As far as I am aware, this is still the case. The panels only provide you with your hot water. As I no longer have any tanks, I don't think I could have them.

    Why can't the panels provide the hot water which runs through the radiators in a central heating system?

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  • Pechis
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    Pechis said

    Savvy chic, solar thermal panels can provide about 50-60% of your domestic hot water needs throughout the year. You get a lot more in Spring/Summer and autumn, up to 100%, a lot of people with panels turn their conventional boilers off between March and October. Obviously a lot less in winter.

    Therefore you get the most hot water at a time when you do not need it for your space heating.

    In theory the panels could provide the space heating requiremenrt but they would probably have to cover the entire south facing surface of your roof.

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  • Ken1961
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    Ken1961 said

     I always seem to get myself involved with these discussions on this site, mainly due to the amount of misinformation or half truths that are firstly written by the authors then followed through by those on the discussion board.

    Firstly the government announced it's renewable energy policy for domestic homes with in the whole of the UK in its warm homes greener homes document this week.

    http://www.decc.gov.uk/media/viewfile.ashx?filepath=what we do/supporting consumers/1_20100302094227_e_@@_warmhomesgreenerhomesastrategyforhouseholdenergymanagement.pdf&filetype=4.

    Within this document it out lines how it envisages the policy to work in relation to all technologies including solar thermal, heat pumps, biomass, bioliquid etc. This document also covers things such as home insulation.

    Now if you can be bothered to read the document as I have, you will find mention of MCS (Micro generation certification scheme) for you as a house holder or land lord to qualify for FIT (Feed in Tariff) or RHI (Renewable Heat Initiative) both product and installer must be MCS approved. (Please note that solar thermal panels can also be Solar Keymark to qualify for RHI payments)

    http://www.microgenerationcertification.org/

    If one or the other is not MCS approved you will not qualify to receive any funding and this in effect means that the pay back on your investment will take considerably longer or in fact never. This clearly is very important and a fact that many out with the industry do not know, and many with in the industry chose not to tell as they have neither product or installation approval. It is not illegal to manufacture, supply or fit non MCS approved product. I can not stress to you enough the importance of MCS it could cost you thousands of pounds over as long as 25 years if you get this wrong. Personally I do not think this is brought to the fore enough, but any financial journalist writing on this subject should at the very least mention this fact as this is key to any return on investment.

    Regardless of which party wins this and other elections the UK is treaty bound to honour it's climate commitments with punitive penalties if it fails, there is little to no difference in policy between the parties on this subject because of this. As a senior civil servant at the Department of Energy & Climate Control said to a conference that I attended recently, that to go backwards on this now would cause substantial delays, delays that a country which is already behind schedule can ill afford and that this was beyond party politics.

    I'm not going to argue here again about renewable technologies and the fact that if installed correctly in a well designed system they do work and will save you money on your energy bill. I'm fed up with the unqualified nay sayers, please your self as I know differently having worked with the technologies for more than 30 years and have seen the huge difference they make in running costs.

    For land lords both the FIT & RIH would be claimed by you or part of these payments can go to your tenant if you wish to share, as this could be used to increase the desirability of renting your property.

    On a note for doing nothing, in a consultation paper I have seen regarding the RHI's the government is talking about giving local authorities tax raising powers to penalise poor energy rated properties, do with that information also as you please.

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  • DanDHRT
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    DanDHRT said

    Mick James,

    You are missing the point.

    That collection of energy and clean water savings tips, yes, does have some very good examples of how reducing the amount of energy used in and around the home does not have to be complex nor does it have to cost much if at all in order to save money.

    However, it also does not have to be stuff shirted and serious. Energy conservation can also be done with a sense of humour (notice the spelling of that word.......I'm not from America....bad assumption, mate) and can be fun while at the same time save money.

    It is something that absolutely anyone can do; all it takes is action. And, if its fun at the same time so much the better! The more something is enjoyable the more likely it will be repeated.

    Dan

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  • sTudorSolar
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    sTudorSolar said

    Great question!

    "Is The Government really so generous?"

    You can save a lot of money installing solar panels... How ever for every £ given away by government... someone will have to pay. Everyone who wont install solar panels.. loses and have to pay for people who install them.

    Did anyone read news about increasing bills? Electricity Gas and Water prices going up again. (how nice)

    By TudorSolar

    http://www.tudorsolar.com (Your solar panel installers)

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