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Why group-buying websites don't always save you money

Neil Faulkner
by Lovemoney Staff Neil Faulkner on 09 July 2012  |  Comments 19 comments

More and more group-buying websites are appearing, but do they actually save us money and are they really bargaining for a better deal?

Why group-buying websites don't always save you money

Group-buying websites have sprung up all over the place over the past couple of years, promising to help us save money by using collective bargaining to drive down prices.

However, one of the leading sites in the industry, Groupon, has recently fallen foul of the Office of Fair Trading (OFT). It said Groupon was in breach of three different sets of consumer regulations.

In total, the OFT told Groupon to eliminate 23 different problems, including using inaccurate prices as a reference upon which to base 'discount' prices, or offering deals in volumes that retailers couldn't realistically fulfil. But the OFT recently announced that Groupon has now changed its sales and marketing practices, as it promised it would.

The Office of Fair Trading has now written to 35 of Groupon's competitors to get them into line as well.

Here's what you might find at a group-buying website

I took a look at several so-called 'group-buying' websites to see if they offered any genuine bargains. I'll give you a few typical examples of what I found.

A deal from Groupon

Groupon, like many of these websites, advertises a lot of products and services that you can't easily compare, such as a one-and-a-half hour chocolate-making workshop for £29. The non-discounted price is apparently £70, but what's it really worth?

The first advertised product I see that can be easily compared was a ticket to the musical Chicago, playing in London. I see the top-price tickets are selling through Groupon for £29.50.

Looking at several ordinary ticket websites, including discount and last-minute websites, the Groupon price appears to be about £10 cheaper than you can expect to get these tickets anywhere else.

However, after securing the deal from Groupon, you have to choose a ticket for a show within the next seven days. If you're unable or unwilling to take a seat on available dates, Groupon will refund you.

It appears that Groupon offers deals regardless of the number of people buying. Hence, it doesn't look like there is collective buying at work, although Groupon is probably still using its own weight to lower prices.

A deal from Incahoot

I looked at an energy deal with Incahoot, a website that says that it uses "the collective buying power of our members to negotiate exclusive deals and big savings". It offered 7% off npower's standard tariff for a year.

Checking with lovemoney.com's independent, whole-of-market gas and electricity comparison tool, I see that the same deal is available to those using gas and electricity comparison sites.

I also see that other tariffs are cheaper, so Incahoot users might be misled into believing they're getting a better deal.

In addition, Incahoot makes a big thing about the fact that you could get a discount of £100 by paying by direct debit, but it doesn't mention that npower offers this to all its customers who buy online, even through comparison websites.

I couldn't really see how Incahoot works as a genuine collective-buying website, and I'm not convinced it really is one.

A deal from BagThat

I also took a look at BagThat. It isn't explicit and completely clear how, but the website intimates you can expect a better price depending on how many buy the product.

The first product I saw was the latest Apple TV, which lets you run internet media such as YouTube from your home TV. With postage included, you can buy it through BagThat for £105 or bid as low as £86.

However, there is only a “slim chance” of getting it for £95 or less. Compare this with some other retailers and that doesn't look good. After a quick search I found it available to buy immediately on eBay – using the Buy it now! button – for less than £82 including postage.

This indicates that perhaps eBay sellers and Amazon have more real bulk-buying power. No surprise, considering their size.

My overall impression

It turns out that 'group-buying' is a completely inaccurate phrase. These websites are not lovable, philanthropic communities. The main purpose of group-buying websites seems to be to give companies a very effective place to advertise their product or service in the hope of repeat business. Or to allow hotels, restaurants and package holiday firms to offer cheap deals at quiet times.

Most of the many websites we classify as group-buying websites – if not all of them – do not obviously seem to negotiate lower prices depending on how many customers sign up to the deal. Some might do, but it's impossible to tell for sure. It's very easy to manipulate.

Indeed, these websites appear to operate just like voucher and voucher code websites. That is not meant as a compliment, as I wrote in my study of 100 voucher deals: Voucher codes leave you worse off! You should read that article in conjunction with this one, because lots of the manipulative tricks used by those websites are used by many group-buying websites

Of the discounts that genuinely save you money, you still need to beware of the small print to ensure you truly benefit.

Although a large number of dubious practices intended to persuade you to buy might have been banished from Groupon, the other websites have only just received their warning letter from the Office of Fair Trading.

So watch out how you use them. Don't buy anything you don't need and always compare prices elsewhere first.

What do you think? Is Neil right? Have you ever used a group-buying website? Let us know in the comment box below.

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Comments (19)

  • russbiker
    Love rating 57
    russbiker said

    Every time I've looked at a specific, named product on Groupon, I've found it can be bought elsewhere for about the same price.

    That's easy to compare: what's not so easy is something like a DIY tooth-lightening treatment or a weekend break, but I'd bet you could find any of the offers elsewhere for no more cost.

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  • urbanman
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    urbanman said

    I purchased a deal from Groupon and when I went to book it I bought an additional deal direct from the supplier. However Groupon then cancelled the deal citing lack of confidence and poor feedback without actually being specific. I guess it was financial as my extra booking has been cancelled and I will have to try and get my money back via credit card.

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  • Mike10613
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    Mike10613 said

    Would one of these schemes work in countries like Russia or China, where they save much of their money and go to buy vegetables at 6am? Or are they only for countries where people have more money than sense and are easily brain washed by the media?

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  • grannysue
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    grannysue said

    Some negative comments here. I've used Groupon, as have quite a few I know, with no adverse comments.

    One of mine was for ten pin bowling for a group of 6 for £9. This included lunch - OK it was burger and chips, but for £1.50? And a game of bowling? Great for a group of teenagers!

    Another is for a two-course meal for 4 at a local Indian restaurant (the Dil Raj at Dodworth) for £17 - £4.25 each. We're going there tomorrow night - I'll let you know!

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  • rbgos
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    rbgos said

    Use a bit of common sense and there are definitely good deals on Groupon (I don't know about other websites, but I expect the same applies). I've had haircuts, restaurant deals, and entrance to local attractions (museums and an aquarium) that are very easy to check are cheaper than the standard price. These are mostly small local independent companies, and the deals are not likely to be available elsewhere, and certainly not to those just showing up at the door.

    What shocked me is that, when I pay half-price for these things, half or less of what I pay goes to the retailer! For a haircut that the hairdresser would normally get £18 for, she actually received £4. Small local businesses are being ripped off here, on the promise that the deal will bring them new customers who will (hopefully) then keep going regularly.

    I did have one business (a gas boiler servicing) who refused to honour the deal (and was very rude to me about it!). To Groupon's credit, they immediately refunded me without question when I brought it to their attention.

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  • Magic-Ian
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    Magic-Ian said

    Always check before you buy. I have seen some things that are overpriced. But then again I have taken up the offers on some away breaks that have been bargains.

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  • scchin
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    scchin said

    I've used Groupon quite a few times now and you'll have to use your common sense. It's not always cheaper on Groupon but sometimes, you are able to get a very good bargain for somewhere local.

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  • thenikjones1
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    thenikjones1 said

    As common on this site, a single example is taken as "proof" that something is bad (like the pathetic Dell article a few months back).

    Groupon did a deal - 2 course meal for 2 + bottle wine for £25 at local restaurant (Siam Garden) - excellent value.

    Are all deals great? Probably not, but enough are to make it worth looking at the daily emials.

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  • Modreduk
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    Modreduk said

    I have found it tends to be deals for attractions and restaurants that tend to be good value, in some cases very good. I have been to a couple of comedy clubs, a very good tapenyaki restaurant and others and had good service at a price which was a fraction of the menu or ticket price.

    Electrical stuff and other items tend to be less of a deal. I have looked at a few I fancied thinking they were a great buy to find them just as cheap on ebay and in some cases in major electrical or department stores. Remember that the RRP is a price set by the manufacturer and often bears no resemblance at all to the price an item is on general sale for.

    I would also say, even when a deal is great, check the place out first. I was given a meal for 2 at a local Indian restaurant (no point dragging their name through the mud, they are now closed) who would not honour the deal as they said the voucher was invalid. Groupon did their utmost to sort this out and when the restaurant refused to play ball they gave a refund instantly. I did a little search on google for the restaurant and found nothing but negative comments about the place, probably why they were so desperate to give such a great deal and get some customers.

    The key here is use a little common sense and check if a deal is really a deal before you buy it.

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  • sketharaman
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    sketharaman said

    @Mike10613: Don't know about Russia or China but group-buying is big business in India, with more than 10 GroupOn clones around.

    Merchants know exactly how much they'll realize before signing up with GroupOn / equivalent, so they shouldn't really complain about getting ripped off.

    I agree with the article and many comments that interested buyers must check out the RRP / regular / non-discounted prices before signing up for a GroupOn. But, this is somewhat difficult, either by default or by design: Most deals will be for a variant of a product or service that is not normally carried by the merchant, so there's no way to establish the non-discounted price for the variant offered in the deal. For example, a merchant may normally offer "10 drums lessons for 1000 bucks" (in any currency, doesn't matter), but the group-buying deal will generally be for "6 lessons for 700 bucks". This makes it impossible to compare like-to-like. I've often found "backdooring" to be the easiest way to figure out whether the deal is genuine or not: Contact the merchant who does a deal, offer to do the deal directly with you, tell him he should only be happy to do that since he'll make more money by bypassing the deal website. It's at this stage that the cat comes out of the bag and you'll begin to learn the differences between the regular and deal variants of the product / service.

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  • reubenw
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    reubenw said

    As someone who has used 4 different discount-type dealers including GroupOn to sell products over the last few years I feel this article is not particularly fair to these companies. Sometimes they are offering very good deals. The deal to customer will be discounted around 50 to 60% of the normal price which is usually paid 'at the desk'. From the remainder the retailer will pay a commission of around 30% to (say) GroupOn . Obviously the voucher provider can make a stack load of money and the retailer can make relatively little on that particular deal (after 60% discount and further 30% costs).

    HOWEVER, when you compare that to newspaper /radio advertising ,its a steal as a retailer - you get your message to 10's / 100's of thousand of peoples attention AND get paid for it - assuming you can cover the costs of honouring the deal. As part of a bigger strategy its a great way of improving your company profile and selling time/ products that are maybe arent otherwise shifting.

    As is common with most voucher sales onl;y around 70-80% of vouchers get redeemed so if you negotiate (as retailer) to be paid on ALL sales the no-shows effectively help subsidise your discount/ commision paid. Often the 'no-shows' are bought as gifts, so the purchaser is happy with the money spent, even if the voucher recipient doesnt use it (and doesnt tell Granny!)

    'Group-buying' may be innacurrately titled but as a modern marketing tool it has proved very useful to me asboth as a retailer and occasional user of vouchers .

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  • reubenw
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    reubenw said

    And in reply to sketharaman...

    "Contact the merchant who does a deal, offer to do the deal directly with you, tell him he should only be happy to do that since he'll make more money by bypassing the deal website. It's at this stage that the cat comes out of the bag and you'll begin to learn the differences between the regular and deal variants of the product / service."

    Not necessarily so. Some merchants would not act like this (I wouldnt). The deal is done through (say) GroupOn on that day only - you're paying for them to advertise you after all. . Otherwise you pay full price - or wait till the next deal !

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  • msna
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    msna said

    I have bought things from these sites and Groupon has never worked out for me, the offer tends to be oversold and the company cant realistically carry out the offer.

    I have bought a few deals that have worked but its usually things like a car valet, gas service or a car service which seem to work well. I do research the companies before purchasing.

    For any deal I am interested in I always look at the prices on amazon and ebay first as they may be offered cheaper or just as cheap there and it would be a lot less hassle if anything goes wrong.

    All in all...caveat emptor!

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  • grannysue
    Love rating 8
    grannysue said

    I said I'd report back on our Indian meal courtesy of Groupon last night. 4 of us had a cracking meal, just chose from the menu, had drinks, etc. The bill came to £80 altogether, and the restaurant just knocked the value of the Groupon off. It had cost me £17 for a Groupon value of £48, so a fabulous meal for four of us had cost me £32 in the restaurant, plus the £17 for the Groupon. Total, £49. And it was lovely. We were asked if we would be back, were given money off coupons for future visits, and were treated really well. Would certainly recommend the place.

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  • simonlilly
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    simonlilly said

    Its also easy to buy something you don't really need on the spur of the moment

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  • ClaphamCommoner
    Love rating 0
    ClaphamCommoner said

    I have found that the groupbuying sites often give incorrect (vastly inflated) original prices. Eg today, Achica is offering a Cecily Vesser London Eye fine bone china bug (and others in the London landmarks range) for "£14.00 ACHICA / £20.00 RRP. You will save £6.00 on this item" (http://www.achica.com/product.aspx?product=Cecily+Vessey+-+London+Eye%2c+Fine+Bone+china+Mug&productid=446242&sku=CEC170712122355-20&promotionid=14406)

    And yet on the Cecily Vesser website, the very same mugs, of the exact same size, are offered for £12 each! (http://www.cecilyvessey.com/page6.htm) Postage is also cheaper at £2.70, whereas Achica charges £4.75 per item - making a "bargain" mug from Achica £18.75, while the same straight from the designer / manufacturer costs £14.70!!!

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  • lillyzen
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    lillyzen said

    It was supposed to be a new take on coupons but there are too many players and not enough meaningful deals. If you're a business with a unique product/service it can be a great way to get people to try it, but a group buying deal on electricity? seems laughable!

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  • cazzycool
    Love rating 0
    cazzycool said

    I bought an item of baby equipment from Groupon, and I researched the prices and reviews first and couldn't find it cheaper. Delivery was quite steep, and mentioned in the fine print but it still worked out less than my osteopath could buy it wholesale.

    It took a long time to arrive and was a late Christmas present.

    I have avoided deals like theatre tickets, I had heard there were unreasonable restrictions. I nearly bought a meal for two for a present, again hesitating in case of restriction, thought it would make a good present.

    I have been almost tempted by a photography course or two then left it too long to decide (those deals seem to be open for days), some look better than others. Also some garden equipment seems good value, waiting for a certain parasol to come round again.

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  • cazzycool
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    cazzycool said

    Well here is a good example, just got a Groupon email with an offer of some colour coded chopping boards, 70% off at £15 plus postage of £3.95, googled it and the first hit was Amazon where the same chopping boards are on offer for £13.99 with free postage.

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