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The worst things that banks do

Published 28 July 2010 in Make your money go further

Dealing with banks is a necessary evil, but at times they try to get away with appalling behaviour.

Clydesdale Bank is trying to get its borrowers to pay for the bank's own error!

Banks have become almost pantomime villains in the UK over the past couple of years, and sadly they have done a lot to deserve that reputation.

Whether it’s gross incompetence or downright sneakiness, there’s never been a worse time to trust your bank.

Working out mortgage interest

Last week, Yorkshire and Clydesdale Bank confirmed it had made a pretty big error with its mortgage customers. It had miscalculated the monthly payments of 18,000 of its customers on variable mortgages, meaning they had been underpaying each month.

As a result, the borrowers will now have a shortfall on their mortgage account. Yorkshire and Clydesdale have now written to all of the affected borrowers explaining the situation and outlining how much extra these borrowers will need to pay in order to eliminate the shortfall. The bank reckons that for half of the affected borrowers, the total suggested increase will be less than £25 a month.

Staggeringly it’s since emerged that Clydesdale actually knew about the miscalculation last autumn!

However, in my view, this is a bit of a joke. It’s the bank's fault that they were undercharging the borrowers, so why should the borrowers have to pay for the bank's mistake? And what about those borrowers who cannot afford to pay any extra each month? Will their mortgage term be extended, so they end up paying an even larger amount in the long run?

Affected borrowers should take up their case with the Financial Ombudsman Service to see if they really are required to pay the extra money each month, particularly given that on the Ombudsman's website there is a technical mortgage note which includes the following statement: “In cases where the monthly repayment was too low, because the lender made an error which incorrectly extended the term of the mortgage, we will generally decide that the lender is entirely to blame.”

Sadly, banks try to get away with shocking behaviour like this all the time.

What’s your address?

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One member of the lovemoney.com team has had an horrific time with Lloyds TSB. She was going on holiday to Cuba earlier this year, and wanted to use her Lloyds card. However, she didn’t have a PIN for the card.

Cue weeks and weeks of phonecalls to Lloyds, during which time they repeatedly claimed they had sent not only letters confirming the PIN, but replacement cards as well. None of these had arrived, however.

It later turned out that Lloyds had been sending the PINs and the cards to an address she had not lived in for three years. What is staggering is that she has lived at two different addresses since then, both of which still receive some marketing material or bank statements from Lloyds, so they have all of the correct address information on file.

Staggering incompetence.

Overdraft charges

Last year saw the Supreme Court surprisingly rule in favour of the banks on the issue of unauthorised overdraft charges.

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For years banks have got away with slapping ridiculous charges on customers who made the mistake of going past their agreed overdraft limit, sometimes by only a few pennies. You may be charged £40 for slipping past your limit, and then a further £20 for receiving a letter informing you that you had done so.

The banks argued that these were not actually fines, but rather a fee for a service, and that those fees enabled them to provide free bank accounts.

The Office of Fair Trading had wanted to investigate the charges, and won a succession of early court decisions. However, the banks managed to win the final decision, saving them billions of pounds. Thankfully, a number of banks have slashed their charges for overdrafts, but they are still far more than they should be.

If you want to find out how to avoid falling prey to such charges, be sure to have a read of Where to find the cheapest overdrafts.

Blank credit card cheques

Fortunately, this type of cheque will be banned at the end of the year, and it can't happen soon enough.

Many banks are only too happy to ship out blank cheques to their customers to entice them to buy things (which, chances are, they don’t really need) on credit. However, it is often more expensive to buy something with one of these cheques rather than using your card, and you won't benefit from the protection usually offered through buying with your credit card.

According to the UK Cards Association, an incredible 50 million blank cheques were sent out to Brits in the space of just three months in 2009, with £537m spent on them. MBNA alone admitted to sending out tens of millions of cheques during 2009, before it confirmed it would be scrapping them earlier this year.

Thankfully this utterly irresponsible practice is now on the way out.

These are just some of the worst things banks get up to, but there are plenty more. Why not share your own experiences of awful bank behaviour with your fellow readers via the comment box below?

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Landlord said

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This is why it is better to be a shareholder in a bank rather than a customer. 

octavia said

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Why is no-one dealing with the Banks' unprofessional behaviour. After 40 years with Lloyds TSB we have had a run of problems over the last 12 months including changing our account from a free banking one (we have to keep 2000 minimum in the current account) to a fee paying Vantage account without any input from us! When we contacted the bank they said they thought it was in our best interest! We have managed to change it back but when in branch we said that obviously Lloyds do not value loyalty, they did not reply - make of that what you will!

dmhzx said

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They're all as bad as each other. Lying, greedy unethical immoral, incompetent arrogant parasites.

Thier idea of competition is to see what the others are getting away with a then see if they can outdo it.

What about the rip off rates on credit cards. Their borrowing at an all time low, but their charge ratess at an all time high.

Their complete abuse of the word "Typical" when they really mean "absolute minimum for a select few" (Look at their real typical rate. It will be at least 2 percentage points above the headlne "typical", and represent a hike of NOT 2% but typically 12%.)

One of my card issuers recently tried to lift my rates by nearly 50%. When I sekd them what was so bad about my flwaless Direct Debit track record that put my rate above the highest they'd charge for a new customer (and byu implcation that if I applied today I'd be refused), they said they "couldn't" tell me. Another blatan lie, a demontration of incompetence, or another abuse of English. (there is a difference between 'can't ' and 'won't'.)

At one stage I thought that the 'new banks' from Tesco, Sainsbury and Asda were a bit of a refuge, but they too are now just as bad as all the rest. (Especially Tesco)

Anyone able to recommend the Co-op??

Yes, the biggest threat to our economic recovery are the very organisations that caused the downturn in the first place. The parasitic banks and the parasitic politicians.

Freenow1 said

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I can't believe that the banks are allowed to continue to get away with providing the poor service and rip off charges they continually apply.

I hope that the new entrants into banking will shake things up and raise the bar on this industry. It would seem that only competition and the prospect of reduced earnings will initiate change.

eLJay said

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octavia - tell them its in your best interest to take your business elsewhere.

I know HSBC aren't perfect but I haven't had anywhere near the problems you seem to be getting. In fact them and Virgin credit cards were the only ones who didn't act like pirates when I was 4 weeks from startign a new job and ran out of money.

eLJay said

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Sorry I meant Hang Song Banking Corporation (though I note they like to be called HSBC in Europe).

Can anyone provide a list of these new entrants into the Banking markets. I might need to see who I should move over to if they are better.

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I am currently living a nightmare created by Barclays. I was advised by the Internet banking team to discuss my difficulties with my local branch. My local branch said that they couldn't help and that I would need to make a thirty-two mile round trip to talk to someone in another branch. I have requested three mortgage redempion statements and only received one, out of date, one. I tried to redeem my mortage on line (following the instructions set out in the redemption letter) and found it couldn't be done. I have made numerous 'phone calls (all of which went unanswered; I was later told that they could not answer the 'phone as they were too busy!), written several letters to my local branch (which they later told me were being sent on to Leicester) which have not been acted upon. On July twenty-first I was offered an appointment with an 'advisor' at my local branch but was told this could not be arranged until August the first. I am currently at home waiting for a 'phone call from a 'mortgage advisor', who, I know, will say they will organise another 'mortgage redemption statement' to be sent out to me.

honda said

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landlord

I beg to disagree, having bought RBSI, Lloyds and HSBC at premium prices a few years ago I am now sitting on a considerable loss of capital and also income!!

The worst notably is RBSI, bought around £8.00 with at the time a decent yield, rights taken up as per recommended by management (Fred Goodwin) at £2.00 current price around 50p but it has been below 40p! Still think that it is better to be a shareholder? Lloyds Around £6.00 when I bought now around 60p and lower) similar. No dividends from either of them now nor in the forseable future. HSBC only down by a third! Lucky me. The real beneficiaries are the middle to high ranking staff and executives who made a mess, took big bonuses and kept their jobs with bonuses in prospecvt again this year.  That is what really needs sorting out.

Mike10613 said

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@Helen - Barclays have a freephone number for problems - it should be on the back of your debit card. the branches now can't change the loo roll without permission from middle management who never make decisions in case they get it wrong. Always go as far up the tree as possible if you have difficulty. I get complaints a lot about my ISP My internet speed was down to less than 1 Mb/s the other day - it wasn't the line, it was this rubbish computer. I just checked it at 16 Mb/s on my new one with dual core SATA drive saving the web pages and 4 Gb of memory. Microsoft still stinks of course, I may eventually set up my new computer - it would be done by now if there was a way of installing Outlook Express. I tried to transfer the settings to Outlook - it never works; why did I think Windows & would be different. It was easier connecting to a server and checking out the files on a website. 

The TSB was of course a good bank owned by it's trustees the customers; Margaret Thatcher and her hang and flog 'em brigade stole it and flogged it cheap - don't expect it to be the same again. The Building societies went more or less the same way or they could have saved us from a banking crisis - we would have had some where to save our money; they are now victim of the Spanish acquisition. That is doomed, too good to be true... 

ckm4328 said

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I agree with much of the sentiment about banks and have been equally frustrated in the past.

I am, however, now settled with my First Direct account. Excellent service, phone calls answered, queries dealt with, its amazing.

When I applied for a loan from them and was refused I was even happy about that. They clearly went through rigorous checks and were very polite at all times.

If all the banks follow their lead the world of banking would be a better place.

suemalling said

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What really makes me angry is that so far as I'm aware only 2 bank executives (Northern Rock directors) have appeared in court charged with criminal offences relating to their accounting following the banking meltdown.  Granted they pleaded guilty and have been fined but are all the others at Northern Rock, RBS and HBOS really whiter-than-white and innocent of similar crimes...?  I don't think the coaliton Government has a clue how much anger there still is among ordinary people over this, especially those of us who are already on tight budgets but who live within our means, that we are expected to bear the brunt of bank executives' greed, incompetence and sheer criminality.

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eLJay, HSBC is Hongkong & Shanghai Banking Corporation, with Hang Seng Bank Ltd being incorporated within HSBC around 1965.

If you want a Bank with good customer service noted by an independent source of consumers, then HSBC's telephone banking arm - First Direct - usually top charts for customer service, even if their rates are not the most competitive.

My employer is a competitor and we do not appear to match their service in all areas....good luck!

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I thought that part of the Bank's service was that they were supposed to keep a watch on unusual activity on your Credit and Debit cards.

Two months ago I bought a fairly new car by Internet using my Debit card.

 Therefore not a usual transaction, a hefty amount and 350 miles from my home location. Not a flicker from my bank no checks to see if the transaction was genuine.

oldhenry said

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I have been with the COOP Bank for over 30 years and they have never tried to cheat me. Clearly, they will charge you for admin if you go overdrawn etc. They have very good armchair banking facility with Lancashire people on the phones that are friendly without being sickly. I use the Internet Banking which is very good and reliable.

No shareholders and they are ethical, not that I am too sure what 'ethical ' means as it could be interpreted differently by some people.

No need to borrow from the Government either in th elast criis.

Go for them, wait a minute - too many customers may spoil it- I advise you to go to the Halifax for outstanding ..

m1dpq said

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I certainly wouldn't recommend First Direct... I applied for a DRO, was granted and informed my bank at the time First Direct, they were ok, but within 6 months that all changed even though the DRO didn't apply to them. 

They closed all 3 of my accounts without notice saying that they could do so, (wrong they cannot without notice - 7 days) I had to go through endless phone calls to get what was my cash removed from my accounts to be paid to myself at a local HSBC and even then they couldn't get it right in emailing the right branch to issue a refund!!!

I now have a Cashminder basic bank account (no overdraft) with the Co-op and it has been the best move i have ever made... My local branch is great, on-line is no problems and as a member of the co-op there are some great perks...

As for Lloyds, and RBS well... I did have an account with RBS and Lloyds but Lloyds closed the RBS account down and transferred my cash to the Lloyds account, without asking...

Now adays my overdraft is in the cashbox at home i save every week and have a little rainy day fund when i need it...

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I just (10 years ago)left the country owing about £80k to the banks and credit card companies.......

I used to feel guilty but not anymore

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PS 

if you think that is the worst that banks do - you are seriously retarded

icelander said

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How I agree with the comments of dmkhz, but why not add that the banks are nothing more than a bunch of legalised crooks and gangsters.

I wonder how many people are aware that when they apply for a credit card and receive a credit limit, the bank or card company typically raises 10 times the amonut of the credit limit against the applicant's name and without their knowledge and of course their permission.

Also, how many people know that in granting a credit limit or approving a loan, the money borrowed, whether by a government, business or individual is, in every case, NOT BACKED by anything! It is NOT ,in fact, deducted from other cash or hard asset that pre-existed in the bank's vaults - in other words; no depositor's account is EVER debited! ALL borrowed money is in fact FIAT money that did NOT pre-exist. therefore, when payback time comes, the borrower are actually repaying money that NEVER EXISTED in the first place! This has been the system for over 300 years ----- WHAT A JOLLY SCAM IN THE BANKSTERS! favour.

If anyone is not convinced by this, can I advise they try and get hold of a copy of Dr. R. Lin's book 'The Fictions of Freedom'. It's a real eye opener

A few quotes which may be of interest:-

'Give me control of a nation,s currency and I care not who makes it's laws!'

(Amschel Rothschild)

'The bank has the benefit of interest on ALL moneys which is created out of nothing'.

(William Paterson, the first to obtain the Charter of The Bank of England)

Banking establishments are more dangerous than Standing Armies'.

(Thomas Jefferson).

On the subject of credit cards, I put my Barclaycard into dispute in August 2007 when I advised that I would pay what I lawfully owed when they supplied me with a true copy of the properly executed agreement with the prescribed Terms and Conditions. My dispute was over a point of law and had nothing to do with whether I had the money or not. What they supplied was a copy of my original Application Form NOT what I had requested! After an exchange of many letters, theirs containing the usual threats, I received a communication from Mercers. I did not know at the time that they were part of Barclay's set up, so when I received a default notice, I sent it back to them advising that as they were a third party and consequently had no legal standing in the case. After many months of letters I received a letter from a collection agency advising that they had my alleged debt over, in contravention of the CCA 1974. After a few months I went before my local County Court and the judge found in the claimant's favour and added £5,000 costs. I protested as the documentation that the claimant produced was such a bad photocopy it was unreadable!! However, I believe the judge found against me because I in my ignorance had not submitted a witness statement.

Move on 14 months after the court hearing and in June I received a letter from Barclaycard advising that they were looking into my complaint and would let me have a reply by the end of that month. Another letter at the end of June advising that they needed more time and would now let me have their findings by July 28th. This was accompanied by all the usual b******* saying how they wanted to help etc., etc. Before the end of July a letter arrived advising that they had sold my alleged debt to a collection agency and that I should contact them!!!!!!!!! THIS AS I SAID, WAS 14 MONTHS AFTER I HAD BEEN BEFORE THE COUNTY COURT. Oh!! I almost forgot, during my earlier correspondence with Barclaycard, they also sent me a copy of someone else's details with all the financial information appertaining to that individual.

Sorry this is so long winded, but I would be interested to know whether anyone else has had a similar experience?

bpad said

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After banking with one of the big banks since leaving school I changed banks 5 years ago ~ Moved to the CO-OP. Branch is small,the staff are friendly,the advice is outstanding.There are no share holders,the customers share the proffits, which in turn can be put to good use by donating it to on of the CO-OP's supported projects or put towards your shopping bill at one of you local CO-OP stores.Their telephone banking is second to none the staff at the call centre are friendly and informative. I would recomend the CO-OP Bank any time

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