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My Dell hell

Emma Lunn
by Lovemoney Staff Emma Lunn on 08 April 2012  |  Comments 60 comments

After just a month, Emma's Dell computer collapsed. What followed was the worst customer service she'd ever experienced.

My Dell hell

Last week my computer hard drive packed up. Totally dead, all data lost and all I was left with was a series of fatal error codes. Not quite what I was expecting after having owned the brand new computer for just one month.

It seems I made the fatal error of buying Dell. Reassured by the fact it’s a massive company kitting out offices worldwide, I didn’t bother checking out its reputation before ordering my new desktop. However, a quick Google after the event found that Dell has an unenviable reputation for shoddy customer service.

As soon as the “hard drive fail” message appeared on my screen, accompanied by a clicking noise in the unit, I called the ever-reliable Geek Squad hoping they’d tell me this wasn’t what I feared. But it was – the hard drive, just five weeks old, was totally dead.

Expensive phone lines

I called Dell on its 0844 technical support line. 0844 numbers are “profit share” numbers whereby the company receiving the call receives a share of the call cost. It’s a whopping 12.41p a minute plus 13.24p connection charge on my phone provider Virgin Media.

The first time I get through I’ve no sooner explained the problem than the operator hangs up on me. I try again and despite explaining that technical experts at the Geek Squad have declared the hard drive dead, I have to go through 50 minutes of turning things on and off, pressing F2, F10, reading back error messages, all for the operator to conclude that, yes, the hard drive is caput and all of my data is lost.

A quick check of my phone bill online tells me calling Dell has cost me almost £7, plus VAT.

Sub-standard repairs

Naturally I asked how this could happen when I’ve owned the computer for less than a month, only to be told that “hard drives fail all the time”. Not particularly reassuring.

When I asked for my money back Dell refused and said it would send an engineer to fix it. After a lot of quibbling about days and times, and Dell promising to call me but then not bothering, the engineer turned up a few days later.

After a couple of hours he replaces the hard drive and operating system and is packing up to go. What about my lost data? He cheerfully advises me that Dell don’t recover data and paying someone to do it will cost £800. The new computer also lacks Windows Live Mail, unlike the one I bought, plus lots of other software included on the original machine. The engineer says someone will call to sort it out.

Customer service

Customer service call a bit later and talk me through installing Windows Live Mail. When I ask about compensation for the catastrophic failure of my machine so soon after purchase, my lost data and all the hassle, it’s turned down flat.

I ask how they can justify using a 0844 number for customers to call with Dell faults and the operator, based in India, tries to convince me it’s a “local number”. I explain that in the UK local numbers start with 01 or 02 and he then tells me it’s “impossible” to run a customer service number without using an 0844 number and bizarrely asks me to name a technical support number that doesn’t begin 0844.

My brain’s gone dead, I can’t think of one; it’s like a really hard pub quiz. For the record, lovely Geek Squad use a free 0800 number.

I decide to write a letter of complaint and ask for the address but the “supervisor” says there’s no point, the letter will just come to him and he won’t do anything. I ask for the phone number for their PR or media relations team – so I can ask for the official line on Dell’s approach to customer service – only to be told Dell doesn’t have one.

The “supervisor” is rude, aggressive and totally unsympathetic. Meanwhile my ranting Tweets have got a response from @DellCares even though every dealing with Dell suggests it couldn’t care less.

In the end Dell agrees to give me £50 compensation. I’ve yet to see it.

Bad reputation

If only I’d Googled Dell before placing an order. The internet is full of blogs, stories and discussion forum posts all detailing Dell woes, most even worse than mine. Worryingly a story in PC Pro magazine last year reported that “Dell claims its customer support has improved by 90%”. I dread to think what it was like before.

Admittedly my fault was fixed within a few days but it’s pretty outrageous that a brand new computer broke down so soon. And if I had £1 for everyone who’s asked whether I back-up, I could just buy a new computer. For the record I normally do regular back-ups but naively thought a new PC would last more than a month so hadn’t quite got round to it.

So what's the worst customer service you've ever been subjected to? Did you get compensation? And have you stopped using the firm altogether? Let us know your experiences in the comment box below.

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  • Ken Rich
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    Ken Rich said

    Thanks for drawing this to our attention. I hope that everyone now steers clear of Dell in the hope that it will encourage them to sort out their customer relations problems.

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  • css
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    css said

    I am afraid that the service from most suppliers is almost at the same level as that from Dell.

    Secondly, it is noted that many organizations including Insurance companies are using the 0844 or 0845 or similar SCAM numbers where the user pays a very high rate per minute for the call, and the surprising thing is that these call never go direct to the department you want to contact, but navigate you through the whole alphabet from A to Z before you get to speak to someone - only to be given an absolutely stupid and silly answer. Even Morons can give a better answer.

    As stated in the above article by Emma Lunn, these numbers are "Profit Share Numbers" where the company gets a cut from the call charge. This would be OK, if the Service was good and problems solved, but most of the times, you are dealing with Zombies or Morons who have absolutely no clue. Isn't it time for the Regulatory Authorities to look into this?

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  • marram
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    marram said

    I am truly shocked. Years ago I bought a joblot of old Dell ex-business computers from an electronics auction for a couple of pounds primarily for the parts, but one of them was working. I phoned Dell support and gave the (indian) tech chap the serial number and not only did he point me to where to download all the drivers but he even talked me through updating the BIOS. I was extremely impressed. What a difference. I would never buy a Dell nowadays if that is what they have come down to.

    I was surprised that Emma didn't reject the computer immediately and ask for a replacement rather than a repair. I would have certainly done that: in fact with treatment like that I would probably ask for my money back + reimbursement of phone costs, and buy elsewhere. £50 compensation? More like hush money! And, unless they gave you the cost of the calls as well, it wasn't anything like £50.

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  • achilles1960
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    achilles1960 said

    Unfortunately, you gets what you pays for, even if you are a journalist and can shout louder than most. There are still a lot of local and reliable British PC assemblers who can offer a level of service that Dell, as a major player with an eye to its competitors, cannot. OK, they are more expensive. But they tend to be more attentive because they don't rely on pile 'em high, sell 'em cheap. They rely on selling reassurance and reputation.

    So by all means pick a Bic over a Parker but be aware that every company has to make money somehow (Dells profits are not even respectable) and if you choose to buy a complicated kit for near knuckle prices, you pay in other ways.

    I would also strongly suggest that you invest in external data storage and perhaps a copy of (and it's not meant snidely, because words are your livelihood) of Computing for Dummies- hard drives are mechanical and can go, even with the most rigorous testing, so it's better to be prepared.

    Amd PC Pro is an excellent source of information-they understand the difficulties of pricing and service better than most.

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  • xox101
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    xox101 said

    I have a couple of problems with this article to be honest. Yes, I will agree that the level of customer service was appalling but expecting Dell to be responsible for your data on your laptop is ridiculous. As is not making a backup of your files and folders. And yes if you had a pound for every time you were told that...etc. But you were told and you did know so losing your data was your fault, not Dell's.

    Hard drives typically fail during two stages of their life. When brand new and when a few years old. A hard drive unless it is an SSD is a mechanical device and is as unreliable as any other mechanical device. Also the hard drive would not have been built by Dell, it's a bought in component and could have come from a number of companies, one of which I work for. Getting annoyed because one component out of hundreds fails a short time after purchase is a little silly in my opinion!

    Dell, despite their cavalier approach to customer service (and I strongly suspect this has more to do with the call centre involved rather than Dell) fulfilled their obligations in replacing the defective part and getting your laptop back to working order. If you had bought it from anyone else you would either have had to take it back to the retailer or post it to the manufacturer, having an engineer visit is a luxury these days.

    A quick visit to the Dell site with your Service Number (on a sticker on the base of the laptop) would have supplied you with all the pre installed junk the laptop came with and similarly two minutes on an internet search engine would have told you all you need to know about downloading and installing Live Mail.

    As for the telephone charges? These are not specific to Dell as every company in the UK is allowed to get away with this by our toothless regulator and successive governments. This will only change when the law is changed.

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  • Markwlove
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    Markwlove said

    If you want bad customer service try dealkng with www.aria.co.uk

    I had the misfortune to choose this company to buy £700 worth of components to build my new pc. Initially they appeared fantastic with the goods delivered the following day. I spent the next few hours building my pc and installing windows etc and was extremely happy as I went off to my bed feeling a job was well done. The next morning when I turned the pc on I got an error message stating contact asus support (motherboard manufacturer) as there was a problem with some flash memory. I called asus who advised there was a known fault and the return the board to atia who would replace it. Sounds simple? I duly sent the board back to aria and waited on the replacement. Nothing! After a few days I called to chase it up to be told my return was being rejected due to bent pins on the board where the processor sits. They "kindly" sent an emakl with a picture of this damage. It looked like someone had prised a few pins up with a screwdriver. I spent three days explaining that the pins were not bent upwards when i sent the board back and i wanted a replacement board sent out. They are refusing to do so or even attempt to explain how it is possible to bend pins upwards during normal installation of a processor. I wish I had read up this company before my purchase as there are loads of people who have suffered in similar circumstances with ridiculous claims of damage. My immediate aim is now to ensure that everyone i know is told exactly what a bunch of crooks this company are and to avoid them like the plague.

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  • Poostix
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    Poostix said

    I use aria on a regular basis and have always found that the company is very knowledgeable, very helpful and extremely cheap. The bonus for me is they are only 15 minutes away from my house. I feel I must defend them as every computer in my house is from aria and although I've had a problem with one of them it was sorted out with a quick visit. By the way I have 3 laptops a netbook and 2 desktops not to mention the 2 media servers i've built from components. I've had nothing but good service and help everytime. I've never had to call them though.

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  • danefield
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    danefield said

    A brand new laptop should be expected to last longer than this! I can not help wondering, why did the seller not inform Dell that the goods were unfit for purpose and of unsatisfactory quality and reject them under the Sale Of Goods Act? If they paid by a from of credit (I would always recommend this) then they had a claim against the credit card company too. I personally would not pay full price for a product that needed a repair within one month.

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  • Talent
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    Talent said

    Don't steer clear of Dell, just find out about the Sale of Goods Act and more important, find out about Backup! It may help to check with 'Saynoto0870' as well. Also, anytime you have problems with any Customer Service, report it to Trading Standards and the relevant Regulator. If everyone did this it would build up a database of complaints that should force them into action.

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  • Computerman
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    Computerman said

    I think your article is a bit unfair to Dell. Hard disks can fail on any PC as these are parts made by a 3rd party and this unit could have been fitted to almost any brand of computer on the market. I run an independent repair shop for laptops and have fixed over 10,000 computers in my job and believe me the service you have received from Dell isn't that bad. The disk failed, they came to you and changed this for you within a couple of days and you have a working computer. As for your data, this really is your responsibility. If information is important to you then keep a copy in you separate backup drive as well as your laptop. We have all come to rely on these new shiny laptops but they can fail out of the box or 10 years of reliable service.

    I have tried customer services for just about every single computer maker/assembler on behalf of our customers during their warranty period, most of them are much much worse!

    You may think by using Google you can find out who not to buy from, be realistic, companies can only allocate a small part for customer services otherwise they will be out of business. If they put the price up, you wouldn't buy it and they also will be out of business as well!

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  • PeterM42
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    PeterM42 said

    As a computer "tecchie" since 1967 and having been in involved with PC's since they first started, when asked, I always USED to say "buy Dell", but just lately, I do NOT say that as I have seen too many failures and support problems - their HELPdesk is totally mis-named. UNhelpfuldesk would be more appropriate.

    My latest laptop is a Samsung - very well built, good package, some useful utilities pre-installed. Cannot speak for the service, as no problems (yet).

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  • electricblue
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    electricblue said

    Using your status as a Lovemoney 'journalist' to engage in a personal rant against one company on the basis of your own experience is pathetic. Dell may or may not be the worst computer company when it comes to technical support, but good journalism would have taken your own experience as an incentive to wider research and a comparative article on experiences both with Dell and other companies in the same sector. Consumer electronics are not 100% reliable and faults can develop in components fresh out of the box. Expectations are one thing, but the reality of mass produced consumer goods is another and having a hissy-fit does not make your expectations more realistic.

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  • dinnafouter
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    dinnafouter said

    Emma

    I know your article was about Customer service, but as a writer who's mission is to tell us all what we should be doing, to admit to not having a comprehensive backup system, preferably automatic is really unforgivable and to berate the company for losing your data, well....

    Personally, I am on my third or fourth Dell and have had no complaints..touch wood.

    Happy Easter

    dinnafouter

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  • Papaya
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    Papaya said

    I have had exactly the opposite experience with Dell! They came to my house and replaced the keyboard on my laptop the day after I contacted them! No charge, no fuss and excellent service!

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  • 27TOZZA
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    27TOZZA said

    Bit of a rant there girl ! I agree with a few of the contributors here about your tone.

    I am on my 4th Dell an XPS 8300,which I bought in January to cheer myself up after life threatening surgery and for the first time had a problem.The screen refused to connect on HD but would run on the old cable to the mother board - dodgy video card I thought.Quick email to Dell ( from my wife`s Inspiron ) and they rang me.New computer teething problem possibly caused by dodgy transportation.Anyway - after a few fiddles and diddles ( tech term !! ) I was told a new video card was on the way and could I fit it - yes said I.

    Card arrived,was fitted and voila ! NOTHING !!! Engineer came out with new card and motherboard ( which was what was wrong ).Very efficient if frustrating but hardly Dell`s fault.4 gb of extra memory installed as compensation ( I could have had a printer).Well pleased and an email follow up and two phone calls assured me that a direct number was for me to call if ever any more bother.I have no problem with these people and wish Panasonic were as efficient ( but that`s another story )

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  • poppasmurf
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    poppasmurf said

    Worst experiance with customer service have been Orange, Three, H&M & talktalk.

    Best customer service has been 02, apple & a few smaller shops looking to keep business.

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  • bwanajg
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    bwanajg said

    Emma I see why you were upset. Naturally some people will have had good experiences and bad experiences. I also own a Dell and they were good at fixing a problem when my laptop was in warranty but when I asked them for some general help with a problem they tried to sell me their software support. They have been unhelpful to me on occasions. With your situation I am surprised they would not give you a refund of which I think you were legally entitled to. If I was you I would write to the general manager of Dell UK if you have not done so on josh_claman@dell.com or even Michael Dell himself on Michael@dell.com I too was once told if I complained about their customer service that it would come back to the supervisor and he would be the same person dealing with my complaint. You probably spoke to the same unsympathetic person I did.

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  • lel007
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    lel007 said

    I had the same problems with my Dell laptop. As suggested on here I did follow the Sale of Goods Act but Dell just laughed at me and said it didn't count!!

    The laptop had been bought from Currys who wouldn't deal and referred me to Dell even though it was under 12 months old. I also tried emailing michael@dell, etc and all emails are directed to the Indian call centre and are answered by the same person.

    The problem with Dell is that they only use RECONDITIONED SPARES - that's right people - parts that they have taken out of the dodgy laptops they have had back when you have complained! Therefore the hard disks they kept putting in mine failed 6 times in total. Eventually they gave me a new laptop but informed me that there would be no warranty on the new one as the original laptop had cost them more to repair than I had paid for it.

    This comment told me everything about Dell and how they handle customer service!

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  • yorterry
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    yorterry said

    I have had a dell for 2years only broke down once but the disks that came with it took me through a process but I lost some work but dell took me through a test and I got some work back but they had a attitude @ customer service

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  • Diverhil
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    Diverhil said

    Over the years I've had many Dell machines (I have three at the moment) and (touch wood) have had no problems with them. The only problem I did have was with my latest machine and it was really only that, having spent over£1500 on a new machine (not including speakers or screen) I complained on their website's comments page that the keyboard provided was absolutely awful and with such an expensive machine I would have expected to have had a better keyboard. A couple of days later I received a telephone call from Dell's customer services who apologised for the fact I was unhappy with the supplied keyboard and offered to send me at no cost a new higher spec Logic keyboard, which arrived a few days later! I would also add to the person who got the rub off from Curry's that Curry's should have dealt with it as your contract to purchase is with the shop/supplier from whom you bought the machine and not with Dell unless you bought it direct from Dell; Curry's should have taken up the matter. This is covered under the sale of goods act.

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  • tadpole
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    tadpole said

    I bought a new Dell computer 6 years ago.

    I have never had any need to call for Dell's help in that time. I'm only an amateur who has done everything that can be done wrong on it - still the computer tolerated me!

    6 months ago I got my son to "flatten it" for me and clear out all my accumulated garbage and it is soldiering on as good as new.

    So I can't say anything about their customer service as I have never needed it!

    I can only say that my computer has been, and still is, brilliant for this computer idiot.

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  • Dampflok
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    Dampflok said

    Dell used to be good. I guess when Mr Dell left the company it went down hill but I could be wrong. I've had several Dell laptops which have behaved impeccably apart from one disc crash after 7 years and that was probably Microsoft's fault anyway. Luckily I had backups.

    But, bear in mind that Dell, along with pretty well all purveyors of electronic equipment suffers from the infamous bathtub curve when it comes to failures. Think of the height of the bath as being the number of failures and the length as representing time. Start at the tap end and what do you get. Quite a few faults within the first few minutes/days/weeks of use, then a period with relatively few faults. Finally, as old age kicks in, the number of problems starts increasing. It even applies to us humans! Sorry to say that you had one of those early faults that no amount of sampling will prevent. Modern electronics are so reliable that we tend to forget the bathtub.

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  • ibelieveanything
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    ibelieveanything said

    i had the same problem with dell only i needed a new mother board after only 2 days..cost me a small fortune in phone calls..anyway i would never ever have a dell again and would not recommend them to anyone

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  • Tog
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    Tog said

    There are two sides to every coin, not only have I not had a problem with Dell support, they have gone out of their way to be helpful to me, including a free keyboard replacement that was damaged due to an accident as opposed to fair wear and tear. I use them at work as well and their support to industry customers is excellent. As for the 0844 number, I have always contacted them online, for free, through chat. But, if you think Dell is bad, try using HP, their website is chaotic, the queue on the phone is dreadful and there staff don't talk to each other. Then there is ASUS, who won't allow the public access to their servicing manuals in case they miss an opportunity to charge us for a repair that should only take minutes.

    Harumph.

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  • Skintsod
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    Skintsod said

    I have a new car. Lucky me. I also have roadside assistance because I don't believe that just because it's new it won't break down. I've had various computers since Sinclair QL days, including Dells, and when one has to be replaced I keep the old hard drive. So no security issues. I do not worry about secondhand values because old computers go out of date and are pretty worthless. Recently, and after more than 3 years (the usual length of time for a hard drive to survive), the hard drive failed on my Toshiba laptop. I replaced the hard drive with the previous one, copied my files from backup and was back working in less than one hour. The next day I nipped off to PCWorld and purchased a new 500Gb drive for £50. I installed it over the weekend at my leisure. I have the operating system and all software on disk - another precaution. So an irritation but nothing more.

    It appears that your story has more to do with your general lack of preparedness. Your computer experienced an unexpected fault and Dell fixed it. That's really all that happened. Your loss of data was due to your unreasonable expectations of the reliability of mechanical/electronic things and the stress you obviously experienced principally stemmed from your lack of foresight. If I go boating I take a lifejacket and a flaregun, in my car I wear a seatbelt and carry a cellphone. What you need is a major catastrophe plan for computer failure.

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  • cs0ama
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    cs0ama said

    "Expensive 'phone lines"

    I work at a tech support centre for a large organisation, and we also use 0845 numbers for incoming contact. There is nothing strange or revolutionary in companies using such numbers. We receive very few complaints from people about the telephone numbers we have (and no, we are not based in India).

    It was not so surprising that the operator 'hung up on you' after ***YOU*** had explained the problem to him. Call centre staff hate it when users call up and explain what (from the user's perspective) is 'clearly the problem'. You should be more patient and realise that it is the job of the call centre to diagnose the real problem.

    When you said you had 'to go through 50 minutes of turning things on and off', that is the normal process of diagnosis. You must realise that such things are necessary before a replacement part can be ordered. I would not expect to get a new engine fitted in a new car that I bought (just based on untested claims of failure).

    "What about my lost data?"

    It was Dell's computer, but it is your data. You have the responsibility of backing it up, and also for bearing the costs of recovery of the data. This is a classic case of a user trying to bully their way into getting something more than their standard service allows for. Many users will claim 'I pay a lot of money for this'. Yes, but "your data is your data".

    'The “supervisor” is rude, aggressive and totally unsympathetic.'

    You are way out of line here in many respects. If you had been nicer to the supervisor he would have been nicer to you. I often deal with aggressive people on the 'phone (users calling in). It is a truism that aggressive people do not get what they want. They get turned down.

    "For the record I normally do regular back-ups but naively thought a new PC would last more than a month so hadn’t quite got round to it."

    So the nub of what you wrote above is that you failed to make back ups. That says everything.

    When I 'phone call centres I have a written list of what I want, and I have all my info written down in advance ready. I write down the advice and agreements came to, and I try to realise this process is a two-way street. You get nowhere by trying to bully your way around. Also I do not expect more than my contract states.

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  • SeaBee
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    SeaBee said

    Write to Dell, ask them for compensation. When they refuse, write and tell them that you will use the small claims track of the County Court to seek compensation. Ensure that both letters are sent by recorded delivery. When they refuse a second time contact :-

    https://www.moneyclaim.gov.uk/web/mcol/welcome

    Good luck

    I've assumed that you bought the computer directly from Dell. If you haven't, substitute the name of the retailer for Dell as you do not have a contractual relationship with Dell but with the retailer.

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  • msknight
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    msknight said

    Two things at play here. First, the machine. Second, the customer service.

    Dell customer service has always been a problem. I have to call them on an irregular basis and I hate it. I get through to someone who's accent is hard to understand, they don't understand the culture and are reading from a script sheet to try and diagnose the problem. Unless you've paid for gold support in which case you get through to someone in, I think it's Scotland, and the conversation is a breeze.

    Right. Now to the machine.

    People think that laptops are wonder machines. They spend below average on a laptop (£300-£400) and expect it to be a miracle device. At that end of the price bracket, it is anything other than this because corners have been cut and despite the high specs in the blurb, there are other specs that aren't listed, that aren't so good! When I buy a laptop, I earmark £700+ for it, at the bare minimum.

    The hard drive itself is delicate. Think of your vinyl record player. Miniaturise it, and put it in a small metal case. Now spin it constantly at 5,000+ RPM. Then think of what happens when you knock your record player ... the needle goes "sccrrrrccchhh" and scratches the record. End result ... useless record and a damaged needle. The same thing with your hard drive. If you move the laptop when it is running, then you run a risk of wrecking the hard drive in a similar manner. Higher spec hard drives usually have better protection against knocks.

    In my book, performance bang for buck, get a desktop. Customer service, I've always had joy with Toshiba who even sent a courier to pick up my £300-ish netbook when it went wrong, and delivered it back to me as well. But the middle man (E-Buyer) when my Tosh Sat Pro laptop went down, even refused to recognise that the Sale Of Goods Act existed. Fortunately, just before it was small claims court time, the credit card company took one look at the Toshiba engineers report and decided to settle.

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  • Offa
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    Offa said

    HP make very good computers avoid most others. Do not buy at suoermarkets and food shops - once I had an E Machines from Tesco which was utter rubbish and lasted two years even with the compnay repairing it.

    It is often better to make up your own desk top from separate pieces you can buy .Then you get quality components. My son did this and I used it 10 years after he had moved on. Obviously had to upgrade memory along the way.

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  • leah AKA global leah
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    leah AKA global leah said

    I think when it comes to things breaking down within the 12 months of warranty or customer services... there are always going to be good and bad experiences, I can't say I have any bad things from Dell, I had owned 2 Dell Optiplex and the only time they died a horrible death were when the fan stopped working, and it kept telling me the computer is overheating before it turns itself off. I am currently still using their old noisey keyboard that I've had over 8 years now, and still no problem with it at all.

    As for customer services, o2 are the most helpful people there are, each time I have a minor problem or question, they have done nothing but help me, either online, over the phone or in shop.

    My ISP, on the other hand, sometimes I get a good support person to help, but also have had bad arguments with a few to the point that I told them I do not want to speak to them no more and demand to speak to their supervisor. I guess they want to keep my custom, so they're really nice and ALWAYS ring the following day to make sure everything is running smoothly.

    It's a little like working in a company, you will always have good colleagues, but there will ALWAYS be one that thinks he knows more than the managers.

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  • thenikjones1
    Love rating 8
    thenikjones1 said

    This is a disgraceful article. What am I supposed to take away? Are you suggesting that no-one buys from Dell? Based on a sample of one experience?

    Stick to money articles, leave consumer affairs to Which? magazine...

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  • yocoxy
    Love rating 132
    yocoxy said

    I think it's the first time that I've 'loved' a post by Electricblue but he (or she) is right, I think this is an appalling use of your journalistic position with LoveMoney to slate a company based on one experience.

    Hard drives fail, that's why we all back up. Dell fixed it. You're frustrated at the loss of your data but demanding compensation because you didn't back up? Grow up.

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  • yocoxy
    Love rating 132
  • John Fitzsimons
    Love rating 30
    John Fitzsimons said

    I commissioned this article because not only was Dell's customer service atrocious, but I thought it would also make a nice starting point for readers to share their own customer service horror stories.

    Some readers have done just that, and it makes for interesting reading, so thank you for sharing.

    As for the criticisms, they have been taken on board too.

    John

    Editor

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  • chronic8000
    Love rating 0
    chronic8000 said

    I read alot of tech and lots of people are having customer service problems with dell. Leo Laporte's advice to a caller with the exact same problems on This Week In Tech (TWiT) technology podcast I listen to was to write a letter to Michael Dell, CEO of Dell Computers in the USA explaining the situation and how appalling their customer service is and see what reply you get.

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  • Jezzer
    Love rating 0
    Jezzer said

    I was surprised to read this, since I used to be a keen Dell customer, when I worked for a company that had a "buy your own kit" policy. I found the customer support, based in India, quick, knowledgeable and efficient and the next-day call-out (that I had paid extra for) very effective. However that was some years ago and things may have changed.

    As regards loss of data, no company will take responsibility for your data and shame on anyone who doesn't bother to invest in a sub-£100 external USB drive with a decent "instant" backup program like Memeo, these days. It's never been cheaper nor easier to protect your data and I don't think companies should be blamed if you've made inadequate provision for the eventuality of equipment failure, which does happen.

    On a separate point, if you want to make an award for poor service, check out the HMRC's helpline. My partner has just received two coding notices from HMRC, dated the same day, each saying a different tax code will be applied from her April salary. Since one is "BR" and the other is something like "810L", it's worth checking. last night we spent more than 40 minutes listening to the phone ring (having gone through an extensive menu, and of course paying by the minute for the call) before giving up. Today she managed to get through, but was dealt with by a snotty and obstructive operative who claimed that he couldn't find her details even though she provided them with a tax office reference number AND her NI number. They get my nomination for this award!

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  • Been conned
    Love rating 0
    Been conned said

    Hey this DEL Story is bad but just run of the mill these days.

    Try UKMAIL this out fit are useless beyond all expectations.

    I made over 30 phone calls to this lot about a parcel they were supposed to be delivering. All I got was passed to one depot after another. I was promised some one would call me back endless times but yes you have guessed it, not once did they call me back.

    Parcelforce at one time were always the kiss of death but now UKMAIL take the number one spot. Absolutely useless.

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  • Scooterboy
    Love rating 0
    Scooterboy said

    British Gas are the worst I've ever come across

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  • Bah Humbug
    Love rating 0
    Bah Humbug said

    I personally cannot even read the article due to the silly background, why does it have to be presented in this fashion?

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  • cyberbabe
    Love rating 0
    cyberbabe said

    Well I have a Samsung and the hard drive went 2 days before the guarantee was due to run out! Contacted customer service they didn't quibble or ask any questions. They just arranged to have courier collect it. 2 weeks later they phoned said it was fixed and delivered it back. So glad I didn't buy a dell one!

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  • Aaunel
    Love rating 0
    Aaunel said

    @Bah_Humbug try Evernote's 'Clearly' extension (for Chrome), alternatives like Readable for other browsers. :)

    Had a customer service issue with Dell in the past, myself... wrote a polite email to 'Michael(at)Dell(dot)com' and received some very helpful assistance about a week later from a local (yes, local) Dell sales manager.

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  • SuBo
    Love rating 2
    SuBo said

    Thanks to an article on Lovemoney I had a very successful outcome to a customer service hassle with eBay/Paypal. One goes to their "page" on Facebook and states the complaint. You have to watch it because they quickly erase it and you need to put it in again, and again! Within hours I had a very civil answer, and then within days got my money back!. Thank you Lovemoney!

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  • bosun65
    Love rating 0
    bosun65 said

    Much as I agree that the way Emma was treated by Dell was dreadfull, I don't why she is so amazed that "new" equipment sometimes fails. We know it shouldn't but in my experience of working in the electronics industry for approaching 50 years, the first 24 hours of operation is the riskiest.

    A month betwen backups is asking for trouble. Let's face it, an hour can be pretty disasterous if you get a power cut or something while you are writing your book or designing your 3D CAD model. Whenever I buy another PC I make sure that I have a backup of everything on the old one long before I dispose of it, just in case of unexpected mishaps like this one.

    I can recommend cloud back up services such as Carbonite. For a fairly nominal annual subscription you can have all your critical files constantly backed up and safely stored elsewhere in the world. Apart from the time it takes for the inital backup, every file is automatically backed up almost instantly whenever you are on line.

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  • pthep
    Love rating 6
    pthep said

    I really find it hard to believe that so many posting on a consumer savvy website seem to think that just because something is cheap it shouldn't be up to the job! So Dell don't make the hard drives? Ford don't make half the stuff that goes in its cars, yet if your Focus goes wrong after a couple of weeks you don't say 'oh never mind, they don't make the clutch plate/brake pads/fuel injection' or whatever....... you get it sorted (I hope).

    If Dell doesn't think the components are up to scratch they shouldn't use them. It's not rocket science.

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  • LiamT
    Love rating 45
    LiamT said

    windows mail would have taken you 20 seconds to find how to sort via google.

    hard drives do go. not very often but they do, just like all electronic equipment. ive seen mercades and aston martins go back after less than 5 weeks!

    what would you like them to do with your data on a corrupt drive? do you think apple would do any better? the fact of life is that you MUST be responsible for your own data and backup. like we all know we should (but often dont bother)

    i agree you shouldnt have to pay if the product is faulty. the thing is idiots abuse the help lines on 0800 to ask noddy questions so they add a cost to try to stop this.

    FYI - when a drive 'dies' - stick it in the freezer for a while. take it out and try to copy all your data QUICKLY. it will sometimes work.

    if people's data is so important you really should get a dual drive setup with RAID, if one drive dies the 2nd will be ok.

    "The problem with Dell is that they only use RECONDITIONED SPARES - that's right people - parts that they have taken out of the dodgy laptops they have had back when you have complained!" - same as apple then. or most manufacturers. not that im saying this is ok. i dont want someone else's kit, i have no idea how well it was looked after and batteries lose their power horribly over a year.

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  • Kiko4564
    Love rating 0
    Kiko4564 said

    "FYI - when a drive 'dies' - stick it in the freezer for a while. take it out and try to copy all your data QUICKLY. it will sometimes work."

    I hate to say, but whilst this advice was well intended by the author what is suggested is bullshit. What will most likely happen is that condensation will form in the drive, I've read this in pcplus

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  • efail
    Love rating 1
    efail said

    If you want to give up the will to live, then try dealing with TalkTalk customer services. I was with Pipex, which was bought out by TalkTalk. Pipex continued to take money out of my account. Even though they are now the same firm it was impossible to get any sense from them. I reckon I made over 20 calls lasting hours and hours and hours. They still owe me money. One of the problems is having to talk to someone who has English as a second language.

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  • bobmattfran
    Love rating 58
    bobmattfran said

    Why am I not surprised. Having had experience in both the private and public sector Dell's products, I wouldn't touch them with a barge pole. Out of every100 desktop PC's delivered to one government department 19 were dead on arrival. I eventually got the finance manager to withhold all payment of invoices until the PC's were replaced. The same thing happened again when I was working in the private sector. Same poor quality final checks before the product left the factory, I lost count of how many PC's were dead on arrival. Opening the PC case tells you all you need to know about Dell, cheap, cheap, cheap components sources from all over the world. Non standard bios, non standard underated power supplies not capable of sustained loads. the answer is easy, boycott Dell! buy HP or Toshiba, far better quality products, better customer friendly service and their products are all built to conform with standards.

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  • bobmattfran
    Love rating 58
    bobmattfran said

    No one writing on here yet has mentioned one of the many problems with both the users and the sellers of computers. The majority of people who buy a computer haven't got a clue of what they need, what they want or what they think that a computer will do for them.

    When you buy a new car of a make that you are not familiar with, unless you are completely stupid you familiarise yourself with the cars controls and capabilities. When people buy a computer, they do not necessarily make an informed choice, most of the time they rely upon the sales person advising them. Not a good idea.

    Before you even think about spending money, ask the advice of someone preferably a PC ceritified engineer, who understands both PC's and your expectations. Once this is established, go and get a copy of PC's for idiots and read it a few times. When you feel reasonably confident about what you are about to buy, ask the supplier for a copy of the comprehensive user

    guide which at one time was supplied with every PC. Make it part of the contract that you have this in your hand before you buy the PC. Once you have purchased it go back to to your PC expert and ask him to walk you through the basics including System recovery disk , data back up and the housekeeping tasks necessary to keep your PC working efficiently. People are completely oblivious to basic PC housekeeping, they download shed loads of garbage until one day they are faced with machine that takes forever to boot up. Remember the manufacturers are not really interested in educating you in the use of a PC, they are hoping after about 18 months you will buy another one, when in fact most PCs capable of running Windows XP, for very little cost will run Vista or entry level Windows 7.

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  • Brierley
    Love rating 0
    Brierley said

    If you need to call an 0844, 0845, 0870 or 0871 first do a search on the saynoto0870.com website to see if you can find an alternative landline or freephone number - invariably there is. It is very rare that I need to pay for my phone calls in this way and I believe there is now an app available for this fantastic website.

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  • Emma Lunn
    Love rating 6
    Emma Lunn said

    Hello

    Just to clarify a few points:

    It was a desktop not a laptop - the article clearly states this. Not that it makes much difference. I bought it direct from Dell.

    My main point was that if I had Googled "Dell customer service" then I wouldn't have bought Dell based on what I found as they really do seem to have a terrible reputation.

    Also I did ask for a refund under the Sale of Goods Act. Dell refused saying the Act gave the retailer a chance to do one set of repairs before giving a refund. To be honest I haven't yet checked the Act to see if that's the case or not.

    As for backing up, yes, I have learnt my lesson.

    Personally I think it's rubbish that a new PC can fail so quick and for all the people that said parts fail all the time, that's true, but don't tell me you wouldn't complain if you drove your brand new car out of the showroom and it conked out down the road.

    That's all for now I think.

    Emma

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  • pedrosoares
    Love rating 0
    pedrosoares said

    What a bad article in every sense.

    She has no backup and it's Dell's fault

    They fix it but it's still not good enough. She wants compensation.

    She uses her role as a journalist for personal vengeance. Shame on you Emma!

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  • Modreduk
    Love rating 9
    Modreduk said

    It's a shame that you had such poor customer service but sadly Dell are right in one respect, hard drives can give out at any time, I build computers and some go in a matter of weeks while other identical drives go on for years.

    The first thing to do when you have you PC is ALWAYS create the backup disc as the regular pop-up that usually appears tells you to. This way, if the hard drive does fail then at least you can get a new one installed and recover all the software that the computer came bundled with. This is normally bundled into the hard drive and unless you have it saved to disc then no hard drive means no recovery.

    It is careless and a bit naive to assume any computer will not fail just because it is new so if you have anything important on there then back it up onto an external device as a matter of course.

    It is also rubbish that recovery of data will always cost that much money. There are plenty of people who can recover data from a dead hard drive and will happily do it for less than a couple of hundred quid, the key is to find the small local shop that all the PC builders use. They tend to know their stuff and not just be phone jockeys. They will also be able to fit you a new hard drive for about 20 quid and the hard drive itself will be half the price that you would pay in major high street shops.

    Having said that, lots of them do not like touching Dell because they tend to use non-standard wiring, I have had to give a couple new cases which I can do in half an hour on any normal system, on a Dell this can take 4 times as long.

    I wish I could say that Dell was a good make but sadly customer service is only one of their problems and even if I am not going to recommend that I build the PC myself, that is the last company I would recommend to anyone.

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  • Carmad68
    Love rating 0
    Carmad68 said

    Hi Emma,first of all you should check the site saynoto0870.com for a phone number for dell that is cheaper than the 0844 number.

    You should also purchase a separate hard drive that plugs into a usb socket and backup your files on it.

    One of my computers suffered three hard drive failures on it,but thats life.

    At least I had backed up my files on a separate hard drive and recovered them.

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  • MK22
    Love rating 142
    MK22 said

    I really don't understand Emma's problem. If the unit failed within 30 days of purchase (receipt by Emma) it is an inherent defect and the supplier must either provide a replacement or a refund. If the unit failed between 30 days and 6 months it is an inherent defect, unless the supplier can prove user fault, and the supplier must either repair, replace or refund. After 6 months the user has to prove inherent defect. See for example the ComputerActive website (who I do not work for....). I bought a Dell desktop. It failed after a few weeks. I contacted the support line and an engineer came out. He eventually fixed it and then Dell support expected me to re-load all the software. I said "No." They said "Are you rejecting the PC?" I said "Yes." And they sent a courier to collect it and refunded ALL my money within a few days of receiving the PC back in their depot. Surprisingly, given lots of the comments, that is exactly what the legislation requires. The next Dell I bought a few months later has worked perfectly for the last couple of years (he said tempting fate). Oh, and I have an external hard drive for backup. Worst customer service of companies I use? Barclays. By so many miles it isn't worth counting.

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  • jedi44
    Love rating 31
    jedi44 said

    I think that this article is a bit OTT, although I have had mixed experiences with Dell, having used them for much of my working and home life. That said, customer service given to businesses far out-strips that for home users. Obviously Dell know where most of there money comes from.

    Being a bit deaf, I sometimes struggle with foreign accents, so going through the scripts with an Indian CS rep can be very frustrating, especially since I generally know what the problem roughly is before I call. If I get tetchy and ask for something to be repeated, I'm sure they think I'm racist. One time when the screen had failed I had to press various buttons, reboot etc for 40 mins, being asked at each step "what can you see now?". "Nothing!!". My original call had said that my screen was dead.

    I believe Dell originally tried to move all their customer service to India but that didn't last. The US customer base kicked up such a stink that the US desk was moved home pronto. Even the business side in the UK has a local helpdesk and I think it is only the 1st line for home users that is based in India, If they decide it is a hardware problem you are directed to local support.

    My current laptop was ordered to have XP, rather than the hated Vista that was the norm, but arrived with Vista disks. When the hard drive failed within a few months I didn't have the ability to rebuild. The engineer who came out to replace the disk, the next day, at a location of my choosing, not only re-installed Windows and did a full health check of the machine but provided me with a full set of disks for XP. Once Windows was on I could recover from by backups and was back to working order within 48 hours of the disk failing.

    One thing that has vastly improved Dell customer service, for me at least, is their use of live chat. I don't have to struggle to make out what's being said and a couple of times the rep has logged onto my PC and carried out procedures that would have taken me some time to carry out.

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  • missflea
    Love rating 7
    missflea said

    I would never use Dell ever again. I bought a computer from them several years ago. When it arrived there was a nasty rattle inside and the cd drive didn't open. I phoned them and after 40 mins of trying to tell the woman at the other end that she didn't need to talk me through diagnostics as there was a rattle inside it and parts were not opening, she asked me if I had a screwdriver so I could remove the cover and possibly repair it myself!!!! 10mins and several expletives later she agreed to collect it. When I got it back again it was still rattling and there was a massive crack down the front. I eventually got it sorted but, never again will I give those idiots my money.

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  • onlinegenie
    Love rating 2
    onlinegenie said

    Assuming you still have the old hard disc, buy a cheap USB disc caddy and put the disc in it. Connect it to your computer and see if it can see the disc and retrieve the data you've lost. I've known it to work. And if it doesn't, you've not lost much money as caddies are cheap.

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  • joemit
    Love rating 0
    joemit said

    Sorry to hear about your problems with DELL. However, please learn a lesson from your hard disk failure. No matter which brand of laptop you had chosen hard disks DO fail, often without warning.

    Part of setting up of any new PC should be a backup strategy and you should be backing up your important data to some external device (USB flash card, hard drive, online storage, etc) from day one. Without that backup it could (probably will) all happen again.

    Also, plus one for onlinegenie's suggestion to try the faulty drive in a disk caddy, you may just find that your data is recoverable and you could then use that drive for backing up.

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  • max11
    Love rating 0
    max11 said

    I had 2 Dell's and never a problem! I rang the assistance once and they were very good!

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