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Is Economy 7 a big con?

Ed Bowsher
by Lovemoney Staff Ed Bowsher on 10 October 2012  |  Comments 28 comments

Many Economy 7 customers are paying more than they need to for their energy and would be better off on other tariffs.

Is Economy 7 a big con?

Economy 7 (E7) is an electricity tariff with two tariffs – one for the day time and a cheaper one for seven hours during the night. Hence ‘Economy 7.’

E7 tariffs use a different kind of electricity meter which can track how much electricity you use at different times during the day and night. There are also some other ‘time of use’ tariffs available including ‘Economy 10’.

If you’re not sure whether you have an E7 tariff, take a look at your bill. If you’re being charged different rates for day and night, you’re on E7 or another ‘time of use’ tariff.

E7 and similar tariffs serve a useful purpose, according to the industry, which claims that they help to spread out energy usage so that power stations don't get overloaded during the day.

Some make money

Now I’m in no doubt that some E7 customers do make money from the deal. This is most likely if they have night storage heaters. These heaters store thermal energy during the night when electricity is cheaper and then release the heat during the day as required.

However, this isn’t true of everybody. New research from Consumer Focus shows that 38% of E7 customers don’t have storage heaters and/or don’t regularly use appliances at off peak times.

As a result they’re not getting much benefit from E7, and they may well be better off on a conventional gas and electricity tariff.

If you’re not sure whether E7 is working for you, this table may help. It shows how much energy you should be consuming during the night to make sure that you’re making money from E7.

Night time consumption to make E7 cost effective

Supplier

Percentage of off-peak electricity usage required to make the Economy 7 tariff more cost effective than a standard tariff

British Gas

45%

Cooperative Energy

35%

Ebico

33%

Ecotricity

20-35% (depending on the region)

EDF Energy

20-30% (depending on region and consumption profile)

EON

34%

First Utility

Don’t offer an Economy 7 tariff

Good Energy

15 to 40% (depending on region and consumption profile)

LoCo2

13 to 20%

npower

35%

OVO

30%

Scottish Power

15%

Spark Energy

Don’t offer an Economy 7 tariff

SSE

35%

Utility Warehouse

40% (35% for low users)

Remember if you don’t have night storage heaters, there’s a strong chance that you won’t be making money from E7. You could also use our gas and electricity comparison tool to find out if you could make money by switching to a conventional deal.

What can you do?

If you think you’re not making money from E7, you have two options:

1. You could try and consume more energy during the night. You can get timer switches for appliances such as washing machines, and you could then run them at 2AM if you wish.

2. Consider switching to a conventional electricity tariff. Be careful though. You may need a new meter and your electricity provider may charge you for installing it. If that’s the case, make sure that any savings you’ll make from switching won’t be swallowed by the costs of putting in a new meter.

Ignorance

The Consumer Focus research also suggests that a big problem here is ignorance. Different providers offer cheaper rates for different periods during the night, so it’s not a surprise that 59% of E7 users would like more information on when tariffs begin and how they can the maximum savings from their tariff.

A con?

I don’t think that Economy 7 is really a con, as some customers do make money from it.

But it clearly doesn’t work for everyone, and I fear that providers may be exploiting customer ignorance and apathy to pocket extra cash from customers who should be on a regular tariff.

And let me emphasise, if you’re on E7 and you don’t have night storage heaters, you should definitely do some research and see if you’d be better off switching.

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Comments (28)

  • red140695
    Love rating 3
    red140695 said

    Please could you explain why the day rate is far more expensive than the normal rate. Why are economy 7 customers penalized for using electicity for heating

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  • TheRumrunner
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    TheRumrunner said

    the writer seems to have ignored that E7 is of most use to those saddled with night storage heaters, we have 5 of these at 4kw each, they have their own circuit live only on cheap rate as they suck in 20kw per hour to charge/store heat, if we went on a normal tariff we couldnt afford to use them

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  • treadmill
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    treadmill said

    I'd second red140695 comment.

    The only reason is simply that the electricity company isn't really giving any discount at all. The day tariff is more expensive, so that any savings you made during the 7 hours are recouped from the overly expensive day rate... simple. A false economy, if you pardon that pun :-/ ......

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  • Johniew
    Love rating 5
    Johniew said

    On economy 7, the storage heaters and boiler are on their own circuit (all currently turned off to lower the bills), but an electrician told me there's no point putting the other appliances on at night as they are running through the daytime meter.

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  • alexms
    Love rating 8
    alexms said

    British Gas offers a package designed for electric car owners with i think 12% off for 20hrs per day, but 36% extra at peak - between 4 and 8pm. There's probably fineprint (12% discount from which rate?) but I think its done through a smart meter not another circuit. Search electric car on its website.

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  • russbiker
    Love rating 57
    russbiker said

    E7 is a definite must if you have storage heaters as I do, being electricity only.

    The nightime unit cost is about half the daytime cost, and over 60% of my electricity usage is nightime.

    The downside is that daytime rate is higher than standard.

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  • Bumbleb33
    Love rating 1
    Bumbleb33 said

    When we moved into our house 14 years it already had gas central heating, but we had an economy 7 meter, which was automatically set as such when a new meter was installed several years ago. Then one day when I was negotiating a new deal with EON, a very nice man said that I shouldn't be on economy 7, as although I used my washer at night, I wasn't using enough to warrant it, so they changed my tariff over, and now I just enter two sets of numbers for my electricity meter readings and they use both to calculate my bill. Nobody ever suggested a different meter.

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  • duvetdemon
    Love rating 3
    duvetdemon said

    Econ 7 is often installed into flats without gas, and where there is rarely central heating but normally storage heating systems. For heating, yes Econ 7 is fine, but for everything else then it is highly inadequate. Mainly because running your washing machine at 2am in a flat is a surefire way to get both an ASBO and sleep deprivation. I moved into a flat with Econ7 and due to the freeholders lease terms as well as the electricity company was unable to have it changed to anything else. This was really costly and another way in which utilities companies rip off people in flats who already cant benefit from 'dual fuel' discounts. Nightmare also for people who work nights.

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  • Kossie
    Love rating 4
    Kossie said

    We had the same situation, running E7 when we didn't need it. Again, it took someone from the energy company to point this out!

    I also think you are taking a risk running appliances such as washing machines and dishwashers at night. I have been in the business and have seen too many machines overheating or worse - catching fire. I would rather be around and fully awake if I need to deal with such a situation. Ask a friendly fireman if you doubt this - and make sure your smoke alarm batteries are in good shape!!

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  • AlanThomas
    Love rating 24
    AlanThomas said

    Economy 7 (or night rate electric tarriff) is the cheapest way to supply storage heater circuits. You can ask your local electrician to fit addition circuits/sockets from the economy 7 consumer unit to supply your dishwasher & automatic washer to operate at any time between 12 midnight to 7.00am. to save money

    Please note: (NICEIC electrical certification & Building control approval will be required for electrical work within a kitchen)

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  • majortruth
    Love rating 159
    majortruth said

    To Alexms

    I doubt many people have electric cars as they serve no useful purpose and most people are sane. You spend more money to buy them, limit your range (which drops even more when you need the heater, lights, wipers etc), you extend any long journey times as you have to wait for a charge-up and you have limited life batteries which cost huge amounts to replace or have a spare.

    For the few who are still concerned about carbon dioxide emissions, all an electric car does is move the CO2 emissions from the exhaust to the power station stack as 75% of UK electricity is from coal and gas burning.

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  • driver67
    Love rating 22
    driver67 said

    Right AlanThomas; the headline is misleading. Should read 'Is E7 right for you'?

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  • realitywins
    Love rating 60
    realitywins said

    I find it unfair that those with electric night storage heaters are penalised again by higher daytime tariffs as they are already landed with an ineffective and difficult to control heating type. You have to predict the next days temperatures in advance to avoid wasting electricity or freezing.

    Builders, why install such impractical systems, everyone should be offered gas (if there is a gas supply available of course)?

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  • cleogen_blue2
    Love rating 73
    cleogen_blue2 said

    I have to agree with majortruth on electric cars although even then he misses out the huge subsidies to manufacturers to produce these wholly impractical vehicles which mean we are all paying for the damn things. I believe the government subsidies for the failed Chevvy Volt in the US where in the $ billions!

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  • MK22
    Love rating 142
    MK22 said

    According to my calculations I use enough energy overnight running the washing machine and various other stuff that runs before 8 in the summer, to more than cover the extra cost of being on E7. And that is without night storage heaters, electric cars, etc, etc.

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  • edwardmk2879
    Love rating 57
    edwardmk2879 said

    Right on with electric cars. Another overlooked problem is unreliability due to the connections being subject to corrosion. Low voltages need really really good connectors, and even higher voltages can set up electrolytic effects which promote corrosion and thus create unreliability. And indeed, where is the saving if you need to purchase a new battery pack?

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  • Nick C
    Love rating 2
    Nick C said

    A local friend was advised by the Local Authority to stop Economy 7 because the day rate was exorbitant. I followed suit and then got a bill from my supplier, for on switching, nearly £4000!! I have paid this off but do have problems understanding the constantly changing dual fuel tariffs. Clarity would be super!! Like Banks, I do not really trust them. Sure2000

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  • easygoing
    Love rating 156
    easygoing said

    Johniew don't believe everything electricians tell you.

    I am one of those on Economy 10 with EON. Economy ten gives an extra heating and hot water boost in the afternoon. Very useful if you live in a Park Home.

    There are three meter readings the first being the day time usage for all domestic consumption. The second is for night time domestic usage which does make it worthwhile doing your washing, ironing etc during the off peak hours. The third is for stored heat which includes storage heaters and hot water.

    I too felt that the increased charges for peak consumption were a rip off and calculated my total annual usage based on a good standard tariff. It didn't take long to find out that Economy 10 was by far the better option.

    TheRumrunner - the writer couldn't make it much plainer that Economy 7 is best when you have storage heaters.

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  • davehe
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    davehe said

    In your article you need to mention the basic point that the day rate for E7 is higher than for non E7.

    I imagine this is so basic that you didn't think to mention it but I was amazed to find this out.....after about 20 years on E7!

    I had E7 because I moved into a house with it. It never occurred to me that there could be a downside.

    Dave

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  • GrahamMills
    Love rating 1
    GrahamMills said

    I am on EDF's Eco 20:20 tariff effectively an E7 scheme.

    However

    - the daytime rate is the same as their standard rate

    - the weekends are also considered to be overnight

    I don't see how you can lose on that basis.

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  • MK22
    Love rating 142
    MK22 said

    And PS to my earlier post, actually E7 users are subsidising day rate users not the other way round. The trouble is peak demand is during the time (most) people are awake, but unlike people, you can't put steam based generating plant to sleep, well not if you want to wake it up tomorrow rather than next week. So you need to keep steam based plants running all night even though there is little demand. So persuading people onto E7 type tariffs and running eg washing machines, storage heaters, etc, overnight helps to avoid wasting the electricity generated at night, thus subsidising daytime users who would otherwise have to pay for the wasted electricity generated due to their daytime demands. There is only so much that schemes like Dinorwig can cope with!

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  • GrannySandi
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    GrannySandi said

    I have had an E7 meter for as long as I have realised that it can save me money. You have to work at it though. Think of the items which run 24/7 - e.g. fridges and freezers. They already use 1/3 at night. I don't heat by electric so everything I can think of which can run over-night, does, usually with the built in timer to finish just before the night rate ends; battery chargers too. Lights are low energy, so it's really just the tv and computer which use day rate...and the oven, which when it is used, is during the daytime, though my mum used to use hers overnight for roasts and casseroles which need longer cooking times but can be heated through quickly when needed.

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  • sandbar
    Love rating 3
    sandbar said

    I opted for an E7 meter a good many years ago and reckoned that it saved money even though heating was by gas. However when I shifted my tariff to EDF a couple of years ago I realised that I would be better off on the standard tariff as I was using about 20% at night rate, even though we were generally running dishwasher and washing machine overnight on timers. This was because the night rate savings were more than offset by higher day and standing charges on E7. (My E7 meter gave night rate to everything - not just heaters on a second circuit as one poster said.)

    EDF insisted on a meter change even though my old meter showed day, night and total units but there was no charge for this. So I am a bit better off and can run the appliances at any time I like which is more convenient and probably safer. However it seems wrong that this is the case as I am now not helping smooth out the load which is why E7 was invented.

    I can see E7 is a no brainer if you have electric storage heaters or maybe an electric car to recharge. The variation of breakeven point for different suppliers is very surprising (and probably is different for each tariff as well) which adds yet more complexity when considering switching.

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  • dusternorth
    Love rating 0
    dusternorth said

    I have had economy 7 now for over 30 years without having storage heaters, but as granny sandi says, you have to work at it. I have kept monthly records of consumption now for over 5 years and I consistently split 50/50 with day and night time use by setting anything that will run overnight on a timer and making sure the timers are changed when summer/winter time changes. This year I have had solar panels installed as well and the day time meter simply goes backwards and the only electricity consumed is overnight, therefore why pay the top rate for it?

    If people put as much time and effort into thinking and then making sure the energy saving ideas are put into effect as they do complaining about costs they could save a fortune!

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  • Olesuffolkbuoy
    Love rating 0
    Olesuffolkbuoy said

    No one seems to have mentioned water heating. Why the focus on just storage heaters? I run a mixed fuel household - oil central, some storage & solar. Fitting a simple E7 timer for your immersion heater gives you a tank full of hot water every morning and with a good sprayfoam insulated tank, it will last all day - all on cheap rate power. On a white meter, the entire house changes over to cheap rate overnight so run your washing machine and dishwasher overnight. (if your house does not, get it sorted). Sorry for the contributor who is frightened by this but can you buy any of these appliances that dont have an offset timer built in these days? Get over it!

    My split across the meters is 70% night and 30% day time usage. There has to be a benefit, even if you dont use storage heating. And as for those who wax lyrical about the new generation of storage heaters that are so efficient, they can apparently be run cheaper on standard day rate, you are in cloud cuckoo land.

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  • anonyy
    Love rating 16
    anonyy said

    i used to live in a flat with storage heaters i couldn't use my appliances at night as the neighbour below would complain about the noise. the storage heaters were terrible, even on the very lowest setting it would BELT out the heat as soon as they came on and by 6/7 pm they were empty, totally useless and a waste of money if you are out and about or at work in the day because you end up using some other electrical heating when it is really bad. its helpful if you are in during the day but at night forget it, its a con in this respect.

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  • jaymo
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    jaymo said

    I think E7 is great! I only pay £10 per month for all my heating and hot water because my usage is approx. 75% night (E7) and 25% day (standard). I find that my flat is always toasty and warm and Ive always got enough hot water.Most of the grumbles about storage heaters are usually because people don't use them correctly!

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  • ononik
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    ononik said

    A simple tip for saving money on heating.......ACQUIRE A THERMOMETER!!!

    If you feeel chilly at 21 degrees, put another layer of clothes on, or move about a bit. Chairocise,or count your stairs, but keep your finger off the switch!!

    A thermometer used this way can save ££'s weekly!

    Thermometers can be acquired from a wide range of retail outlets, carboots, charity shops.

    This simple and cheap item will pay for itself in the first week!!

    No other tip claims this!

    Better yet find someone to cuddle!! (p.s I am available for this activity)

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