£150,000 for broadband?

Donna Ferguson
by Lovemoney Staff Donna Ferguson on 01 June 2010  |  Comments 74 comments

As one pensioner is quoted £150,000 by BT to install broadband to her home, we round up five ways broadband providers try to rip you off - and more importantly, what you can do to avoid being caught out by them.

£150,000 for broadband?

BT this week sank to a new low this week when it quoted a Welsh pensioner £150,000 to install broadband to her rural home near Llandeilo in Carmarthenshire.

When she received the quote, the pensioner, Beverley McCartney, could have been forgiven for thinking that instead of helping her to join the information super-highway, BT was planning on building an actual highway to her home.

BT attempted to justify the charges, telling the BBC that "in very rare cases, additional charges need to be applied because of an exceptional amount of work required to the network in order to provide service". It added that there it was working hard to find solutions for the "relatively few" areas of Wales still unable to access broadband.

Needless to say, Mrs McCartney - who stressed she did not live in the wilderness, or on top of a mountain - will not be taking BT up on their kind offer to fund £8,000 of the bill if she met the rest of the costs.

The trouble is, it's not just pensioners in Wales who get ripped off broadband companies. So, here are five of the UK’s top broadband rip-offs, together with a few ideas on how you can combat them.

> Compare broadband packages with comparison site BroadbandChoices

Follow our five easy tips and get better value for money from your broadband package.

1) Super-fast broadband

You might think super-fast broadband sounds amazing. Lightning-fast deals via next-generation fibre technology allow you to surf the net at more than 5 times the usual speed (50Mb). Unfortunately, however, super-fast broadband generally comes with a much higher price tag than packages with standard connection speeds. And I think, at £40 a month, providers are ripping us off - especially when you take into account a 8Mb package with a 10GB usage limit can cost less than £6 a month.

The fact is, unless you need faster speeds for things like watching internet TV or downloading HD movies regularly, these packages probably have far greater capability than you really need. If you’re not a heavy user, paying the higher monthly cost is a waste of money, frankly.

2) Restrictions on download limits

Many broadband providers boast of unlimited download limits, only to accompany these bold statements with a little asterisk which, on closer inspection directs you to a fair use policy that restricts the amount you can actually download.

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Fair use policies are often a get out of jail free card for providers which advertise unlimited download limits, only to impose penalties or other restrictions if you exceed a certain threshold.

And, to make things even more complicated, finding out about your own download habits can sometimes feel like trying to break into Fort Knox. 

For example, when I called my own provider to ask them about my usage, I was only told that I ‘need not worry’. This ambiguous phrasing may make little difference in my case, but in some circumstances you’ll only realise you’ve exceeded your fair usage limit when you get a warning from your provider – or worse, when a hefty bill lands on your doormat.

If you want to gauge your surfing habits, this data usage calculator from Virgin is a nifty tool which will give you an idea of your own monthly usage, which you can then use to get the best plan for you. Alternatively, providers Be and O2 offer super-fast broadband with truly unlimited download limits.

3) Broadband without a landline.

If you move into a property without a BT landline in place, it will cost you £124.99 to connect yourself to the outside world, plus £10.50 a month in line rental, unless you commit to an 18-month contract.

If you don’t fancy forking out all this just to get connected, one alternative is Virgin media which, providing you live in a cabled area, will connect you without the need for a BT line (£30 connection fee applies).

Another way you can get connected to the internet without the need for a BT landline is via a dongle. Dongles provide a convenient way of getting online, though from experience provide much slower download speeds than conventional broadband.

4) Tag on the line

This is one of the sneakiest ways broadband providers can stop you from switching easily. They put what's known as a 'tag' on your line, which is difficult to remove. When you run into trouble, they often point the finger at your landline provider, who then points the finger back at the broadband provider, and so on.

John Fitzsimons looks at what you can do to get better value for money from your broadband package

What many people don't realise is that you have to talk to the provider you want to switch to and ask them to remove it. Luckily, Broadband Choices offers a handy list of numbers on its website to contact with regards to having a tag on your line.

5) Long contract terms

Last but not least, contract lengths for broadband, and indeed your mobile phone are slowly creeping up, and these days you’ll often have to sign an 18 and sometimes a 24 month contract in order to secure the best deals.

However, there is light at the end of the broadband tunnel, and if you don’t want to be tied into a lengthy contract, you could always opt for a provider which doesn’t impose one.

For example, you can now get one-month only contracts from providers like Plusnet and Zen, which enable you to switch at any time.

Obviously, your broadband service is unlikely to be 100% perfect, 100% of the time, but hopefully these small tips will help you on your way to a smoother surfing experience.

> Compare broadband packages with comparison site BroadbandChoices

This article has been updated from an earlier version published in 2008. 

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  • Triassic
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    Triassic said

    Note sure where you get your figures reagrding the BT line rental?

    Mine costs me £11.75 per month plus £1.75 Caller Display (bacause I don't make more than 2 calls with BT - a rip off if you ask me!).

    I've tried to get caller display stopped but you try talking to someone human at BT!!

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  • Richlion100
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    Richlion100 said

    Hi Triassic,

    I pay £10.50, but I think this is because I use direct debit. If not, you may pay more. But I am not sure, better check this.

    BT is a totall rip off! I suggest everyone stay away from BT. I am supposed to pay £19 for my broadband + £10.50 for line rental. My bill is £56 monthly, month after month and I could not conact anyone at BT to expalin the difference to me. I also do not use the phone at all, so I chose the cheapest tarrif. All they tell you the bill is correct when I say it's not.

    I can't wait to switch once I buy my new property. Still I will have to transfer my line to the new place and pay for the transfer, because in the new developements usually BT is not connected nor Virgin has the infrastructure to connect us. If you buy a new property usually BT is the only option. What a disgrace in the 21st century!

    I chose BT only because there was an offer from Barclays, I was supposed to get a £50 refund when I chose BR Broadband via Barclays. I have so far never seen any sign of that money!

    Stay away from scams like these.

    Regards,
    Richlion100

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  • mancman
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    mancman said

    One thing I've never understood and maybe someone could explain. Why do I need a MAC code?

    I am with AOL and have been for 8 years now suppose I want to change my ISP surely all I need do is delete AOL and install whoever I go to. The phone line is the phone line etc. Sounds to me like all the MAC code is, is a way of complicating things so no-one moves

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  • brewerdave
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    brewerdave said

    Triassic, if you opt for paperless billing ( ie view your bills online) and pay by DD you can get BT rental for £10.50 - opt for a rolling 12 mnth contract and you can get free w/end and evening calls as well. (OK if you don't need to use the phone during the day)
    Richlion100 - you must be being charged for calls by BT - thats the only way of explaining £56 a month - don't you get an itemised bill????
    Mancman, you don't need a MAC IF you cancel altogether - the downside of that is that you lose internet connection for a period of time (could be weeks or even months) IN THEORY if you use a MAC the chamgeover between providers should be instantaneous.I have just changed ISP using the MAC and whilst I've had billing issues (a different story which can apply even if you cancel your Internet) I never lost by connection!!!

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  • madvalentine
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    madvalentine said

    Speaking as someone, who along with their partner (a system administrator in a company)regularly fixes peoples' Internet connections, we have had no end of problems with providers such as BT, AOL, and the other small providers such as virgin, orange, tiscali, you name it ... etc. Not only are they a poor service generally (Frequent cut outs, poor speed etc), but they impose a lot of catches and it can be horribly frustrating trying to get the correct information out of them. BT & AOL are no doubt the worst for this. BT also tries to lock you to its own hardware, which makes things like setting up of a wireless network rather painful and proprietary.


    Our current recommended ISP is PlusNet. One month contracts (useful for some and a nice peace of mind; you only get the free router and free connection if you stay for 12 months, however it is clear and stated). Clear usage allowance (after which it just slows down, but gives you the option to buy extra fast speed data - should you need it). The best thing of all is that it gives you a full breakdown of up to date usage as you go through each month; including free allowance (unlimited, overnight only) and paid-for allowance (daytime hours) so you can see when and how much you are using and adjust the package accordingly. All that and a 90 day guarantee in which you wont pay a thing if you dont like it. There are other great ones out there, but this is a good mix between flexiblity, information, and ease of use and one of the best personal broadband providers. That isnt just our opinion: check out their awards on their site. The only thing I havent done yet is switch from them, but I probably wont.

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  • streetrunner
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    streetrunner said

    Just a little more info on switching when your existing provider uses LLU would have been useful......I've been told by Sky that I would first have to transfer my phoneline contract back to BT for twelve months before I could switch to Sky for phone + broadband.....Is that correct???

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  • Triassic
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    Triassic said

    Richlion100, Just saved myself £36 per year by going paperless and opting out of Caller Display. Thanks for the tip.

    Whilst signing up for on-line paperless billing (saving £15/y)I did some digging and found that if I opted out of the "FREE" BT Caller Display I saved myself £1.75 per month (£21 per year). According the the very small print in the T&Cs, if you are a low user BT charge £1,75/month for this free item. As I originaly signed up for "line only" you would have thought BT would have told me this at the time? I only signed up for caller display as BT told me it was free! What a rip off.

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  • cowshill
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    cowshill said

    I have to say I have been very happy with BT. There were a few minor problems when I first signed up, and I was able to reach a real person at customer service and the problems were resolved. I have their home hub with wireless internet phone which are great, but would be useless if I switched, but I have no intention of switching, so no sweat. I pay every three months by direct debit with paperless billing, and my quarterly bill is always right around £105. That's £35 a month which includes line rental, all phone calls (including 2 or 3 hours of calls to the U.S. every month), and the broadband. I have their lowest level broadband program because I don't do any music or movie downloading, but I'm on the internet for hours every day and never have had a usage limit problem. Plus I share the wireless connection with my next door neighbor in trade for her free range eggs!

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  • UKCarioca
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    UKCarioca said

    Orange chare me £5 for what is supposed to be a 8mb unlimited download connection. The price is a bonus from being an Orange mobile phone customer, but the speed is much lower than 8mb (Orange tech reckons the line can only cope with 2mb, although a) every other provider tests the line and offers 8mb, and b) Orange were happy to charge me for an 8mb line that they didn't think they could provide!). Also, the Orange livebox has the habit of defaulting searches to an Orange error page (something which the customer service monkeys just do not understand) and the service doesn't allow for VPN connections (I've had to bluff the VPN through a fixed address, OpenDNS). All annoying, but if you pay peanuts....

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  • Iniq
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    Iniq said

    " thinkbroadband.com "(almost the equivalent of The Fool site for broadband users!) is an independent website offering a wide range of information about broadband, ISPs etc., covering everything from technical issues to ISP's contract terms. Their site offers everything from comparison charts relating to ISP's chrges, download speeds and customer satisfaction, to a series of users' forums for each ISP.

    Go have a look - recommended!

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  • LeeElms
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    LeeElms said

    Another provider which wins awards for customer satisfaction is Zen. They have a 1 month contract period and are not as expensive as some of the options mentioned above. And they appear to have quite promptly sorted out a serious, persistent problem that our previous ISP couldn't get resolved in months.

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  • BigAndy05
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    BigAndy05 said

    Agree with Mancman that MAC codes are used by the ISP to complicatge and delay matters. I had been with AOL for about 4 years and was relatively happy apart from when I had to call the help line and pay their hefty charges to stay on the line whilst listening to the queuing music. Finally after experiencing very slow internet speeds over a months period and downtimes I phoned, queued and eventually was told that AOL had trasfered their numbers and I needed to reset my connection and sign on using a new number (this all sounded like tosh as being on broadband does not involve dialing in on any number). Anyway the feeling was that I should have known AOL had changed their system and I should have made changes - as I hadn't then somehow I was at fault!

    Because of that I looked around and saw the O2 offer (£7.50 per month for unlimited and when signing up got a £60 cash back!).

    Phoned AOL for the MAC code. Was told it would take 5 days and would be emailed to my AOL account but it may get directed to my SPAM folder! (so AOL have email that they send which has the characteristics of SPAM for something which is needed to move away from their service - how convinient!).

    After 7 days I had not received any email so had to phone up - the guy on the end of the phone then just said oh yes I've got the code here it is and read out a jumble of letters and numbers, fortunately I made it get repeated a few times to be certain of the code to avoid future delay (being suspicious that the reason for not emailing the code was now to add further delay by getting it wrong by mistaking a leter in the code over the phone).

    Why couldn't a MAC code be given straight away? This was just a con so that my account moved into a new billing cycle to enable AOL to get another month at £14.99 - which leads me to conclude AOL employ sharp practices to squeeze the last £ from their customers - delaying releasing the code so I can move and forcing me to pay their 0871 phone charges to chase up when they fail to deliver on their promise to email a code within a stated time.

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  • truewordinjest
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    truewordinjest said

    When you visit sites such as the recommended broadbandchoises, and there are a lot of other ones like them. You would be forgiven for thinking that the broadband providers listed are the only ones in the U.K. as these sites always list the usual suspects. However if you try independent comparision sites such as ispreview.co.uk you have nearly all the Broadband providers in the U.K. and reviews from the actual users.
    The one thing these broadband advice columns such as this one never focus on, is customer service and I believe it is the single most important thing to look for . If your broadband works OK then everyone is happy, assuming the price is similar to the competion, but it is when it goes slow, fails or you want to leave, ask why you have been overcharged ,this is when customer and technical support come in and it is then, that most people beccome disillusioned with their provider.
    Since others have mentioned their provider, mine is Naims.co.uk, they are a small reseller of Broadband wholesale, Entanet.Entanet repeatedly receive awards for their service but their resellers are never mentioned on commercial review sites.

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  • Wraxall
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    Wraxall said

    I can just about put up with the cost, and have not felt the urge to change providers. What makes me cross is the SPEED! We live at the end of the line, and I'm convinced the wire is held together by earwigs. What price fibre optics for rural communities?

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  • stevex2000
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    stevex2000 said

    A very interesting thread.
    From experience, and working with one of the numerous companies that uses LLU, that is the way to get some of the best services and prices.

    Some of the benefits we offer our customers include:
    -£8.99 landline rental (cheapest in UK)
    -Just £99 to install a new landline
    -London based company with UK call centre
    -Broadband from £19.99 (inc. line rental and free calls to UK & 10 international destinations)
    -No minimum contract on many of our broadband packages
    -Further monthly discounts for recommending friends to the service

    These are just some of the many benefits our customers enjoy.

    I prefer to to say the company name, but if anyone wants to know more you can contact me at
    info quick-savings.co.uk

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  • Accountantsmum
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    Accountantsmum said

    I'm fortunate enough to be in a cabled area. When I moved here, BT wanted about £60 to transfer the already installed line to my name and number: Telewest, as they were then, installed both phone and cable TV for free, and the monthly cost of the two was the same as BT's line rental. When Broadband came in, I took it up - on a separate coax cable, no speed problems - as I was using it for my work as an OU tutor. When I retired, it took one phone call to Virgin to downgrade the broadband to their cheapest, which is now quite enough for my use, and to add Setanta to my TV package - and lop £10 a month off the bill! It took about ten minutes for them to implement it: no fuss, no waiting. I know others have had indifferent service from Virgin but my experience has been pretty good, and the broadband in particular is everything I need.

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  • stevex2000
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    stevex2000 said

    The above post got amended by the system,
    was supposed to say:

    info "at" ...

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  • DrTimT
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    DrTimT said

    Triassic - maybe too late for this now if you've opted out of Caller Display, but if you have a BT landline and use a different company for your phone service, you can usually dial the prefix 1280 before any regular phone number to route the call through BT rather than your normal provider.

    I am in the same situation as you and have Caller Display, but I use the 1280 prefix 2-3 times a month to route a few calls through BT (usually for 0845 or the dreaded 0870 numbers when I can find no alternative geographic number - as these numbers tend to be cheaper on BT than my regular provider in any case). By doing this I avoid paying BT's extra charge for Caller Display.

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  • xpc
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    xpc said

    Hi I am a relatively experienced PC user. But I think nothing is more mind numbing than Braodband and the rubbish that is put out there. Speeds are not what they claim, people claim things that are not possible so you have to decide for yourselves but. To be very brief, I am with SKY it's free it did not cost me a penny, I was already with SKY and they advertised basic service if you already subscribe to a minimum package. I do have a few tiny niggles but in this very tight time its brilliant I have braodband.

    The advice you give is nearly right in that you have to ensure you tell your previous provider if you are going to change but get it writing. I was with Tesco for a while at the end with so many problems I got my MAC number SKY sent me the router and dongle, I was up and running. The next thing I was threatened with a poor credit rating on my record if I did not pay the TESCO broadband bill. Even though I was connected with SKY, Tesco 100% try to convince me I was still connected with them. I know people are not stupid but just be careful.

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  • breechers
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    breechers said

    I have been a talktalk customer for over 2 years (Yes,and through the well publicised problem period). Despite all the issues I stuck with them -the service & performance has been excellent for a considerable time now.
    For not much over £20 a month I get line rental, free calls to local & national numbers, caller ID, answephone and broadband.

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  • robcardiff
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    robcardiff said

    I am with a company called Utility Warehouse. A company which came 2nd in the "Witch" Broadband awards in June 2008.
    This company does not have contracts.
    I have been with them for 2 years without any problem, and if there were, I would be speaking to a call centre located in the UK.
    It is strange that even with the independant third party credability of "Which" this company does not get a mention in many comparison sites. Maybe it is because they do not advertise??

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  • ss770640
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    ss770640 said

    i pay £50/month with sky BUT get almost the full sky TV package, HD, Movies, cartoons, discovery etc, PLUS broadband (40Gb limit, which i never fully utilise and always use) PLUS free evening weekend calls. Extra £10/month applies for bt line. but this is the full entertainment package. it can be cherrypicked down to £17/month for net/calls & TV which is an excellent deal.

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  • custardthedragon
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    custardthedragon said

    I used to be with "highly praised Plusnet" but 11 months ago I ditched them because their network traffic shaping didnt handle VOIP well. Something they admitted they needed to improve on when I eventually closed my account with them, after weeks of waiting on support to try to improve it. Perhaps they've fixed that since, I have no idea.

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  • TelecomPlus
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    TelecomPlus said

    I was really frustrated with BT's services and recently changed to a provider who does gas, electric, telephone and broadband. The telephone and broadband together are only £19.99 per month and I get free 7 x 24 phone calls excluding mobile and 08XX numbers. As for point 5 they have NO contract period and you can leave when every you want.

    Take at look at them at www.reducemyutilitybills.co.uk

    Richard

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  • bobfruit
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    bobfruit said

    Another happy PlusNet customer here. Coming up to the end of my 12-month contract with them shortly and not planning to move. The information inside the 'control panel' online is excellent, as others have noted. I did have to pay them £40 because I moved house (and hence phone numbers) within the 12 months, but this was all made clear up-front, so wasn't a surprise.

    MAC codes are a necessary evil, to stop unscrupulous providers 'stealing' you to their service when perhaps you haven't explicitly asked. However, there's no good reason why an ISP phone operator can't give you a MAC code there and then.

    Here's a snippet from PlusNet's online help:

    5. Can I get a key immediately? Yes. Just give our Cancellations Team a call on 0845 140 6002. Lines open 9.00am-9.00pm , Monday to Friday. We'll then be able to give you one over the phone.

    Doesn't get much fairer than that. :o)

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  • bobfruit
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    bobfruit said

    Oh yeah, and PlusNet also reward customers for referring new ones, so if anyone wants a couple of quid, e-mail me at mailjaymie-fool@yahoo.com before signing up and we'll sort something out. :o)

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  • streetrunner
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    streetrunner said

    to breechers regarding TalkTalk ............. pray that you do not have a problem ....... I started having problems with my broadband which progressed (despite being reported several times each time minimum one hour calls to a very unhelpful Indian helpdesk) into a full scale loss of phone/broadband service. I then spent hours on my mobile each day (again to the same very unhelpful Indian helpdesk) each time going over and over the same details, never speaking to the same person twice, repeated failed promises that someone would ring me back. Eventually after two weeks and many hours on the phone (my cellphone) the service was eventually restored quite soon after I threatened to report them to OFCOM, the media and whoever else I could involve to report what a disgrace their customer support actually is.....So, is yout TalkTalk service is working fine...fantastic....I hope you never have a problem ..... but if you do you'll be able to listen to some very nice poetry by Roger McGough. In fact, I spent so much time listening to this man's poetry, waiting for the TalkTalk helpdesk to answer, that I probably know it better than he does!!!!

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  • 51mac
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    51mac said

    Amazing - PlusNet? I think you'll find they are owned by BT so how come the wide variation in performance between these 2 companies? And as far as speaking to humans at BT is concerned, please do not give up if you have a problem. If necessary go through the high level complaints department, and ultimately the Chairman's Office. It works. We have had nothing but grief day-in day-out from BT on our business lines, it has cost BT thousands of pounds in compensation awards to us, but every time I want BT to do something, they mess it up! Contrast this with the residential service, not a single problem for 25 years over several moves as well! Spo we now deal with one individual in the Chairman's Office who oversees everything that we want BT to do - they still mess it up but at least we speak to a real person who then goes off and speaks to other real people to get things sorted. So don't let BT - or anyone else for that matter - fob you off with electronic voices, insist, and go higher up the chain!

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  • eadwint
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    eadwint said

    Avoid AOL like the plague... they will do everything in their power to ruin you machine and prevent you from leaving.

    My concern here is that even the article writer has been a customer. This does not fill me with confidence as to her expertise as a tech savvy writer.

    There are numerous ADSL/Broadband guides out there which will compare all these issues and more.

    Unfortunately BT landline is still the best option. I've not heard of any additional cost on most line connections other than a £50 deposit which you get back after 6 months.

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  • mickgjames
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    mickgjames said

    Just pointing out that PlusNet were bought by BT a couple of years back but still seem to be operating fairly autonomously. My mother-in-law, who is not in the least technical, has bee using them for some tiem with no problems.

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  • SiGl26
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    SiGl26 said

    In August I changed from BT phone and Demon/Thus internet to TalkTalk absolutely painlessly. Huge cost saving, Quidco cashback, one online application. TalkTalk kept me well informed, only tiny hiccup was switching to paperless billing, but they refunded the charge when I complained. The TalkTalk broadband connection seems to be faster than the Demon also

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  • Richlion100
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    Richlion100 said

    Brewerdave,

    thanks for your suggestions.

    I only get a bill every 3 months, the problem with BT is that you have to pay for the services upfront 3 months ahead of the delivery. Then the bill becomes so complicated, that arguing with BT becomes virutally impossible. Try to speak to a person from India (no offense), they have a script and talk to you via a script and they will hardly understand your problem. If you have a complaint, they will say "we are so sorry you have these problems" and they will continue to do whatever they are doing wrong.

    As you say I should pay for phone calls? No, I do not make phone calls, my telephone has been disconnected from the line almost from the beginning for the past 18 months. I use a mobile phone and use Skype to make phone calls to other countries. So why use a phone? There are no payments for phone calls on my BT bill.

    The next thing is that BT gave me 10 mailboxes, which I didn't want. Why would I need 10 mailboxes, when I only need one? We simply don't have any options and we probably have to pay for having those 10 boxes ready to be used.

    In my opinion paying upfront 3 months in advance is ridiculous. I lived in Poland 3 years ago, had a phone line and broadband and my bill came in once in a month, the bill was half the page of A4 and everything was there. I knew what I was paying for. With a BT bill - at least 4 pages long it's hard to raconcile what you are paying for and what is brought forward. Of course, I have an amount of about £140 of credits, but the point is that doesn't reduce my direct debit, I still pay £56. And BT cannot understand my point. And that is the problem.

    I feel like I would have to pay £10 entering a shop because the shop uses electricity and in order to shop I must pay those £10 upfront and it there is no guarantee the £10 will be refunded.

    I first started with NTL in 2006, now Virgin, I paid £20 per month, my account was debited £20 each month - period. No payments upfront.

    Interesting thread though, I see there are some really nice options we have, even some we would probalby not find using google.

    Regards,
    Richard.

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  • Soop2
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    Soop2 said

    I told you about not needing a Virgin landline in the "Cut Your TV Bill By £246 A Year!" thread.

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  • MellowYellow100
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    MellowYellow100 said

    I have my broadband supplied by Sky its the same package that ss770640 mentioned, and I have to say, I'm pretty happy with it.

    Unfortunately I have a BT landline, which is set up for the sole use of the sky package, so there is no need for any calls going through BT or their call packages. When I set up the line I was to be charge 10.75 on DD. But I am getting charged £14.44.

    I've spoken to a few people over at BT who love to just pass the buck or hang up on you when asked more direct questions.

    When I asked why they are over charging me, the answer I have received is that I am paying for the evening and weekends package, which in a previous post was mentioned to be free, and hadn't asked for. Landline only, no extras. Why I was paying for a service I didn't ask for no one was able to give me an answer.

    When asked if I will get that money back, the first person I asked replied a solid "No, why would we?". When taken to the complaints department I was told that its my responsibility to check what I was being charged and was told no.

    When asked if BT have any responsibility to charge their customers honestly, and not add extra to a bill, it took a good few minutes for them to say yes.

    Why is it so difficult be treated in an honest way by these companies? These issues that we are facing are hardly new and unknown, these are things that have been happening for a long time. Yet they continue...

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  • TMFSUZY
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    TMFSUZY said

    Soop2,

    Lol, talking to me may seem like talking to a brick wall, but I do heed your words, honest! What I meant in the 'TV bill' article was that in order to take advantage of Virgin's 'deals' (i.e., the promotional fees), you have to take a Virgin line. For example, I know you can get broadband for something like (don't quote me) £4.50 if you take out a line, but you pay something like £10 a month if you don't. Sorry if this wasn't clear, and thanks for the clarification.

    Similarly, in this article, I said that you don't have to pay BT line rental if you take out a Virgin line. I didn't say that as a consequence you do have to pay Virgin line rental! I think the £30 connection fee still applies though.

    eadwint,

    like a true arthurian damsel, i take great slight at having my good name tarnished, so let me defend myself if I may.

    Yes, I was with AOL, but this was when I was back in university. I, too fell prey to those free dial-up trial CDs you used to be able to pick up in Superdrug, and made the natural transition to broadband. I haven't been with them for nearly three years now. Forgive me for my sins!

    Lol, enjoy the day guys.

    Szu

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  • 111BJD
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    111BJD said

    There is an option to have internet access without a phone line. I use NOW INTERNET from UK Broadband (mynow.co.uk). It consists of a small modem that sits on a desk or windowsill and connects to either ethernet or USB and works rather like a mobile phone system. Two of the options that I use are 512kbps for £14 per month at home and 1Mbps for £18 per month at work. And no telephone line required but you will have to check for area coverage.

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  • up2eleven
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    up2eleven said

    mancman - installed on your computer is some AOL software, all that really does is look at the internet. It's not your connection. And you don't need to uninstall it when you switch to a different provider. Try this: without opening AOL software, open internet explorer and try browsing the internet. It should work. Now try downloading firefox, look for it on google, and install it - then try browsing the internet. It should work.

    There's a big difference between the browser you use to look at the internet and the company you pay to connect the data part of your phone-line to their network. Uninstalling AOL and expecting to be connected with a different provider is like selling a Vauxhall and buying a Ford instead because you want to go to Birmingham instead of Manchester. You don't need a different car, you need a different road.

    I'm with Be, but my girlfriend still uses AOL for email so she still has AOL software installed on her PC - the software will work even though we're with Be.

    I believe MAC codes are there to prevent slamming, where a new service provider "kidnaps" your service without your permission. Unfortunately we now have the opposite where people are trapped with their old service provider.

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  • Mike10613
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    Mike10613 said

    I use TalkTalk. the big complaint is overseas call centres - they are rubbish. But your problem can be escalated to UK technicians. They now have a forum for technical questions too that is useful. I get free calls to all geographical numbers - those starting in 01 or 02 and all of the EU, the USA and Canada (including mobile phones) and finally Australia and New Zealand. The free calls last up to 70 minutes - but you can redial at the end of the 70 minutes. Calls to other Talktalk customers can last to 3 hours. My local hospital is with Opal telecom and so if they put me on hold - I put the speaker phone on and wait - it doesn't cost me anything. The broadband was at around 2 Mbs - but I optimised the TCP and now get 5 or 7 Mbs - the maximum is supposed to be 8 Mbs. But my router says the connection is set at 16 Mbs and I have had 11 Mbs on a download from London - 100 miles away. Speeds across the Atlantic (5,000 miles) vary from 500Kbs to 3 Mbs. I pay £20.50 per month plus the cost of premium rate calls like 0845 amd mobile phone numbers. I think calling your local police on 0845 with a 6p connection charge and then 4p a minute is a rip off. The same applies to many other public services. The price is good and the speed is usually OK. But TalkTalk could do better. Don't go for the "free" laptop from AOL UK that is owned by the Car phone warehouse too. That is not such a good deal.

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  • kz1qrt
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    kz1qrt said

    An excellent article - thank you (and some excellent contributions too mind you there will always be some whingers won't there eadwint).

    Anyway - to those who don't know the TalkTalk broadband is now run in partnership with AOL (basically you are getting AOL broadband whatever you signed with TalkTalk.

    My own experiences of TalkTalk Broadband. Love to tell you except that I signed up in April, was "connected" in June and have never yet been able to use it ... they recently admitted it may be a problem with their modem and sent me a Wireless effort - this weekend will be the big test!!!!

    Yes I had the "Indian" help desk, and really weird their 2nd line support is on the same number, but they have to switch it through and you have to ring back (the same contact number!!!! weird).

    The customer service problem with providers like SKY and TalkTalk is they insist that "their Broadband service is FREE", "so what are you moaning about if you can't connect, it's slow or whatever" .... not exactly my idea of great public relations spiel.

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  • EnglefieldGreen
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    EnglefieldGreen said

    Does anyone know if you migrate from AOL to another provider if you lose your @aol.com email addresses?

    I have used AOL for up to 15 years and all my friends and family readily recognise my email address. I have been fearful that if I migrated that I would lose my ****@aol.com adress.

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  • cynicaloptimist
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    cynicaloptimist said

    After switching from BT to Tiscali to ‘save money’ our broadband service stopped working and after daily polite phone calls going over the same ground each time with yet another call centre advisor (they are unable to call you back or keep a record of your problem) we still had no broadband. Meanwhile we were receiving bills for direct dial phone and computer use which was Tiscali’s fault, not ours. So we decided to return to BT and asked Tiscali to remove the MAC code to allow this. After dozens more polite but insistent phone calls and assurances that our case would be escalated to a higher level of priority (implying hundreds of levels!) nothing had been done. To cut a long story short we ended up going to arbitration and Tiscali were ordered to refund all our bills and give us extra in compensation for wasted time and stress. Even then, they only did so after further threats of legal action. We are back with BT with no problems and decent customer service. My advice? AVOID TISCALI LIKE THE PLAGUE!

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  • raba9
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    raba9 said

    I'm a BT only household. I decided that if everything is with one company there is no opportunity for the phone company and the ISP to point the finger at each other and I had no desire to be stuck in the middle. Just changed my PC and BT Broadband Helpdesk could not have been more helpful with the teeting troubles if they tried. They were even calling me back in the end just to check that everything was ok. BT phone service call centre, on the other hand, is a disaster - thank God I don't have to do it too often.

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  • bobfruit
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    bobfruit said

    @EnglefieldGreen: yes, unfortunately,you would lose your @aol.com account if you change from AOL.

    The way to avoid this in future is to set up and use an e-mail address that isn't tied to your ISP, such as Yahoo!, HoTMaiL (now Windows Live! Mail) or GoogleMail (GMail). That way you receive and send messages outside the scope of your service provider.

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  • EnglefieldGreen
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    EnglefieldGreen said

    Thanks bobfruit for clarifying. That's a big disincentive which really should be banned just like allowing people to "port" or move their mobile phone number between networks!

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  • cchetwynd
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    cchetwynd said

    When you go on line with Virgin broadband the Virgin website hijacks your screen - also MASSIVELY irritating; and I pay £17.99 a month but I've recently seen it advertised to new subscribers at £10+/-. Hrrmph.

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  • hzplj9
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    hzplj9 said

    When I changed from Boltblue to Talktalk I was told by Boltblue that they would not release the MAC code until I cancelled as they deemed it wasn't necessary to know it. After cancelling, they refused to give me the code as I had cancelled my contract. It took about a month to get Talktalk on line because I had to wait for the line to be released by Boltblue.
    Now as Bobfruit has said I have my own domain name and which is not connected to my ISP.

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  • rajurs
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    rajurs said

    I WOULDN'T RECCOMMEND 3 MOBILE BROADBAND

    Unfortunately I took a 24months contract and signal is so patchy and gets extremely slow. At times waiting for customer services on the phone can take 35mins.

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  • JCofRamsgate
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    JCofRamsgate said

    I just switched to tiscali all-in-one service to try and reduce expenses - not much sign of it so far! I don't use my phones very often, rarely use all my paid-for minutes on my mobile, and have used my land-line only for 08 numbers (something I am doing quite a lot at the moment).

    Surely something should be done about the huge amounts being charged by both mobile and ISP phone packages for these numbers which were set up so that customers can easily and cheaply access support services etc. It really seems like they are being taken advantage of, which is immoral.

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  • nicthefool
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    nicthefool said

    I have been using Eclipse www.eclipse.net.uk now for some time, I have found it to be an excellent service. Although it quotes a fair usage policy, I have never exceeded it despite doing a lot of downloading.
    Prior to this I was using Toucan, and was continually being restricted, with abusive emails being sent to me. They would give no information regarding when or where I had exceeded the FUP, despite the fact that I only ever run downloads over night, when the FUP was supposed not to apply.
    Eclipse allow a one month contract too, or a free router if you go for a 12 month. However, they are no longer providing the unlimited download package that I have. They provide your MAC on demand, you can simply log on to your account and click a button. They also have an indicator to show if you are near breaching the FUP, I have always been on green.
    Suggest you at least look at them before plunging for Plus.
    I recently tried to help a friend set up their BT broadband, and found it a nightmare. Another friend, also then with BT, spent ages on the helpline, and said that they were trying to charge him £500 for it, despite the fact that they did not solve the problems he was having.

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  • MellowYellow100
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    MellowYellow100 said

    EnglefieldGreen,

    Fear not, you won't loose your email account if you leave AOL. These are for life, like a good/bad tattoo.

    Delete as you wish.

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  • toocob
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    toocob said

    cynicaloptimist: I am in total aggreement with your opinion of tiscali.

    Guys AVOID tiscali. I had an issue with them when i moved house. It took about 6 months in total to first change the services to my new address. when that failed to successfully move to another provider. it took the intervention of OFCOM...NEVER AGAIN to Tiscali. I am now using sky's free broadband and not planning to switch providers anytime soon.

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  • Piguglyness
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    Piguglyness said

    @ENGLEFIELD GREEN
    You WOULD NOT lose your aol mailbox as they operate webmail. I cancelled my aol contract 6 months ago (im now with BE Unlimited no complaints) and i still use my old aol email addy. My advice to you ditch aol. When you ring up to cancel, when they ask why, say your emigrating. That way you avoid them trying to make you change your mind. Most annoying.....

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  • bobfruit
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    bobfruit said

    Sorry, EnglefieldGreen, I was wrong. As MellowYellow100 points out, you can now leave AOL but keep your e-mail/screenname as a 'free' account. AOL won't officially support that with their technical support, but you can still use it. My apologies.

    I can't find that information officially on AOL's website, but then that's typical of my experience with them! :o) Surprisingly, there's absolutely no trouble finding information on how to join them or upgrade. ;o)

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  • macwolfelee
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    macwolfelee said

    I would echo those who have good words for Plusnet, and am rather dismayed that they are now owned by BT. Perhaps this is why my billing was messed up on switching to Broadband from dial-up a couple of weeks ago (I live way out in the sticks, and broadband has been difficult until recently). But the customer service was just as good as ever - I e-mailed at 7PM on a Sunday, got a reply within an hour, and my account credited immediately. All questions raised by e-mail or phone are logged and available to see with the name of the persons involved - I have never come across this in any other organisation. I can't comment on the person who left because of issues with VOIP, but for straightforward personal broadband with a comprehensive and helpful website and great customer service, I can't imagine they could be beaten. They would have to screw up bigtime for me to leave.

    No, I'm not the Managing Director, just an obviouly satisfied customer!

    Mac

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  • richardjwhitaker
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    richardjwhitaker said

    You can have caller display for free by asking BT for their Privacy option.

    How to stop AOL telesales in their tracks just Tell them you use the ubuntu o/s (Linux)

    I have my own domain for e mail so i have kept the same e mail for years living abroad and in the UK - - useful alternativeto hotmail, yahoo, gmail etc for some.

    Support this web site : www.saynoto0870.com

    Richard

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  • Caswest
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    Caswest said

    I have used the AOL service for over nine years and have never had any real problems. I pay £12.99 per month for Broadband, which I use for two or three hours per day, with only the occasional crash.

    Tiscali provides my telephone service through a BT line and as I don't make too many phone calls, I estimate that the total package; AOL, BT and Tiscali, cost me no more than £25 a month.

    There may be something cheaper, but my motto is 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it'.

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  • nevilleb08
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    nevilleb08 said

    To streetrunner: I am leaving my current ISP, Talktalk, because it is seriously damaging my health. I have had absolutely appalling service from them; whenever I do try to contact them it is invariably the wrong number; not only does poor Roger McGough set my teeth on edge, but I am the one who has to repeat my name, address and bank ad nauseam to each new agent I talk to. Getting my MAC code was like pulling teeth, and now since they know I am going I am being bombarded with phone calls from them. I can't believe they are allowed to conduct any kind of business at all.

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  • 5753225
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    5753225 said

    I have a mobile broadband with T-Mobile. They offer me 3GB/month data download, and where I'm living I get a data rate of 7.3Mb/s.

    This latter is ample for such things as Skype, and as long as I don't gossip all night long I should be able to use it without breaking all my download limit.

    But what the crooked swindlers do not tell you is that they divide up your 3GB/month into smaller amounts/day? or hour? or second? The upshot of this is that you cannot use the broadband to Skype because some buffer or other fills up and then the calls disintegrate into a series of squeaks and buzzes.

    I could just about tolerate that, but they muck up the information on my Capital Spreads screen. I get the backgrounds but cannot see my balance. I am told that I have no open trades when I know I have... because the data specific to my account isn't displayed.

    So the contract I signed with them on Nov 7th I cancelled today... and shall be paying through the nose for the coming 1 month notice period.

    I'm told that I could upgrade to a package that would allow me 10GB of data a month, and which would allow me to Skype (and would therefore presumably allow my Capital Spreads screens to work properly), but to do that I'd have to sign up for a 1 years contract. If I decided to stop using their service before the year was up would they refund me the unused portion of my subscription. Of course not. If I sign up for 1 year, I'll have to pay for 1 year whether I use their service or not. They're swindlers.

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  • zeroth
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    zeroth said

    I also am happy with Plusnet, who are indeed distinct from BT, who use them to try out new ideas on their relatively small and more discerning customer base before offering them to the hoi poloi.

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  • mikefour
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    mikefour said

    You'll have to do better than £19.99 per month. How about £9.99 per month for Broadband up to 8MBs (2GB) or £14.99 per month up to 8 MBs (unlimited) Broadband. You sound expensive to me.

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  • sbolter
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    sbolter said

    Your advice is not much help if you do not live close to a telephone exchange; and your praise for BT is misplaced.

    My BT line gave a maximum connection speed of 0.028Mb/s because I had to share my telephone line with a neighbour.
    It took about three years of negotiations, including the involvement of my MP, to get an exclusive line that would take broadband. Contrary to regulations, BT insisted that I changed to their internet service before they would provide the exclusive line (by putting someone else on a share).

    After paying £50 to have the line from the pole to the house renewed I was able to connect at 0.4Mb/s, but after six months the broadband failed and I was back to dial-up, but at the exclusive-line speed of 0.04Mb/s. Unbundling makes no difference, it would still be the same grotty copper cable.

    There is no alternative cable service. If I were to dangle a dongle I would get no signal - not even mobile phones work here.

    The solution was community wireless broadband, which requires a roof aerial. My nominal 8Mb/s down, 2Mb/s up (burst speeds) service gives a real usage speeds of about 5.4Mb/s down and 1.85 up. I could elect for lower speeds at lower prices. The £11 per month sub gives a service about 7 times faster than BT's service did when it was working.

    It requires a community of at least 20 users to set up a system at a cost of about £4000 plus £100 per user.

    Before wireless was BT refused to do any work to improve their telephone lines. Now they are loosing customers to the wireless service they have started pulling new cables!

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  • brewerdave
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    brewerdave said

    Richlion 100, if you are signed up to look at your bills etc online there is an option to change the amount/date of your Direct Debit; I used it some months ago to reduce my payments by £7 a month.
    Also when your credit is 3 times your monthly payment they should AUTOMATICALLY pay it back to you AND reduce your direct debit for the future.
    As an aside to a lot of other posts I too have moved to Plusnet from Orange - vastly improved speeds,bigger allowance,cheaper and INFINITELY better Customer Service.

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  • Barrydrake
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    Barrydrake said

    Virgin Media - NTL that was. Don't believe a WORD YOU SEE ADVERTISED IN RELATION TO THE AMOUNT THEY WILL ACTUALLY CHARGE YOU! Sorry didn't mean to shout but perhaps it as well that I did. All I can tell you is if you trust them with Direct Debit on your Bank Account as I have then you will surely be robbed as I have been. They are currently pushing their fibreglass Broadband line as something wonderful with TV/landphone for about fifteen quid a month - The amount they take from me averages more like 100 quid a month - Don't ever trust them! I'm for changing ASAP. Be warned!
    Barry Drake

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  • capine
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    capine said

    My Broadband service is with Talktalk. From March 11th to Oct 27th I have had 115 broadband failures. The average time to recover has been 7 minutes which represents 11.9 hours of waiting in over 7 months. Perfectly good PC, perfectly good phone line, perfectly good modem...

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  • An0n0
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    An0n0 said

    I think that all this article and subsequent thread shows is that choosing a broadband supplier remains a complicated and confusing process for most people. This is not helped by the broadband providers themselves being less than transparent in their terms and using terminology which means nothing to the vast majority of users.

    Unfortunantly, too many people select a poor provider at the outset and don't realise that if they moved elsewhere (or changed to a different product from the same provider) the experience would be so much better. People's needs differ and it is important to choose a provider and product that matches those needs. No one provider will be the "best" for all users.

    There is a lot that can go wrong with your broadband connection and it is vitally important that your provider provides quick & efficient support which, in my experience, is where the smaller providers excel. Personally, I would not touch the larger providers such as Tiscali, Orange or BT because they have such a poor record for customer service.

    My choice is Plusnet who provide clear & transparent terms for their products, great support, reliability & good speeds. They provide a guarantee at the outset and your contract term is only one month.

    I would also recommend New Net & Zen for the 'average user' or if you have extensive download needs then take a look at one of the Entanet resellers.

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  • stiza
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    stiza said

    My advice is avoid to avoid using Tiscali or Talktalk [Carphone Warehouse]. My broadband,line rental and calls were being supplied by Tiscali until Sept 4th when I was slammed by Talktalk. I don't understand how they can illegally steal my account and transfer the service overnight, yet I am still trying to get it restored to Tiscali![2 1/2 months!] They both use Indian service centres with personnel that have limited technical expertise and poor understanding of the English language.[ Ref. streetrunner 19 Nov 2008, 10:00am ]
    Ofcom seem to be powerless and unable to help me. In fact I would not be attempting to return to Tiscali but for the fact that I don't want to lose
    my original email address. Anybody out there been "slammed" like me?

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  • zeroth
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    zeroth said

    I also am happy with Plusnet, who are indeed distinct from BT, who use them to try out new ideas on their relatively small and more discerning customer base before offering them to the hoi poloi.

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  • pingap
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    pingap said

    With regard to AOL, I moved house a year ago and cancelled AOL Broadband (basically hooked into BT).
    I have kept my email account (for free), it requires no software and is simply accessed via the web, which made it nice and easy transferring to my new email provider.

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  • djabbott
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    djabbott said

    Something significant the main article didn't touch on, which I've suffered this year: infrastructure overload.

    I originally had a 2Mb broadband service from Tiscali & largely got what I paid for. Then yippee they informed me my line could support up to 8Mb & I agreed to "upgrade" my package & include free phone calls. As I then typically got 5-5.5 Mb, I thought I was on the winning side! Clearly no fundamental problems with my rural location & distance from the exchange.

    That was till June this year when my average speed suddenly & inexplicably fell to about 1Mb & sometimes even less; I'd made no changes whatsoever to my hardware or connections, or software apart from routine updates. Worse still the broadband would annoyingly often disconnect itself, sometimes after just 10 seconds; highly frustrating when trying to buy something on the Internet.

    BT & Tiscali repeatedly denied line & interface defects, but stupidly blamed me & my equipment for the problems. However I eventually got BT to admit to circuit problems between my house & the exchange which they fixed as far as they could. My connection instantly became stable again but speed is still slow. Tiscali says it's been told by BT my exchange is now overloaded with broadband connections & there will be no amelioration until BT re-builds it! But when? Tiscali Technical said I could meanwhile downgrade my package & pay less for low speed, but I found they only offer 1 package on my exchange!

    I'm assuming that switching broadband provider won't help my speed whatsoever because the fundamental problem lies in BT's obsolete equipment & wiring. No doubt other Fools are - or will be - suffering similarly! Yes 1Mb is "up to" 8Mb semantically, but only a minority 12% of the way there. Be warned!

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  • Richlion100
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    Richlion100 said

    Hi Everyone,

    I just came back to say I managed to amend my monthly direct debit with BT, reduced from £56 to £30. I must say I was surprised how easy it was to explain my problem this time. It must have been my lycky day, or something really has improved at BT. I will continue to use BT broadband, so I now will pay £15.99 instead of £17.99. I also applied for the new wireless modem and I will see how it goes. The sales lady was really very polite and informative, assured me the connections are good, up to 10 computers, etc.

    I was thinking about taking one of the dongles for wireless, but the problem is I need to connect more than one computer.

    So far, I admit I never had any major issues with BT. In 2007 during July there was a huge outage for a couple of days, but after that I was never disconnected. Speed is low, but as I was told the new modem gives higher speeds. I was probably moved to a better option up to 10GB of downloads instead of 5GB, so I am pretty satisfied.

    When I see people are complaining about Tiscali I made a decision not to switch. One of my friends is now having similar problems with his bills and he is complaining.

    Regards,
    Richard.

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  • angelica
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    angelica said

    I'm looking for the best provider of dongles when I get back to the UK.I use one all the time in India through their only provider Tata.However,more companies are coming on the market shortely.I found that when I was losing speed if I un-installed the program and re-installed I can get my speed back up.It seems every time Tata send a message it interrupts my speed.Could this be happening in the UK.Sometimes I have to un-install and re-install the program about 4 times to get rid of the little attachments that maybe get in to my computer or dongle.I accept that communications are not as good as the UK.However I do expect the Uk to fair better then here.Having said that I'm moving at great guns at the moment.This may have something to do with the new competion thats looming and Tata have got their act together. My speed is 203.4. I mainly use my computer for e-mails and hotel/flight bookings.I find it to be great for my needs,I'm on my computer all the time.I pay as I go and top up when needed.It's a life time sim so I can come and go as I please.I don't loose money on my account when I stop and start again in 6 months time or more.There's no tie ins,time limits or restrictions.An average £12 top up lasts me around 7 weeks.If I used it for e-mails only I assume I would get around 4 months or more use.

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  • Mike10613
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    Mike10613 said

    I think this article was written before the Car Phone warehouse took over Tiscali and AOL UK; they also own TalkTalk. 

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  • RedundantHippie
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    RedundantHippie said

    I have a very expensive Business broadband connection with BT. Recently this failed, the ADSL signal was lost. According to the contract with BT this should have been rectified within 24 hours! Having reported it, a BT telephne engineer turned up with a laptop and quickly identified that the problem was a dead connection in the BT Switchboard that was located in the town centre! This was when the problems really got intersting. It seams to me that there are at least three separate organisations operating under the BT Name - and they just do not talk to each other ever! Without boring everyone witless with the details it actually took BT six weeks to rectify what is a very simple fault that requires an engineer from Openworld to undo a door, replace a plug in card and close the door again! This only happened when I told my FM to withhold the monthly bill from BT for breach of contract!

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  • jondale
    Love rating 0
    jondale said

    If you want complete honesty and ongoing reliability, the best broadband ISP to switch to is Zen Internet. Try http://short.zen.co.uk/?id=eef

    OR:

    http://www.zen.co.uk/Broadband/zenbroadband/switch-to-zen-broadband-free.aspx

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