Sky TalkTalk: the broadband providers that upgrade your account without asking

Laura Shannon
by Lovemoney Staff Laura Shannon on 27 May 2012  |  Comments 17 comments

Some broadband providers will automatically upgrade your package to a more expensive deal if your usage tips over the monthly limit.

Sky TalkTalk: the broadband providers that upgrade your account without asking

Annoyingly, if you use the internet more than your broadband deal allows – even by just a smidge – the likes of Sky and TalkTalk can upgrade your package without asking you first.

You will automatically be shifted onto a more expensive monthly arrangement, even if you had no idea how much data you were using or that you had exceeded your monthly allowance.

Penalties

If you’re a Sky customer, the first you may know of your data usage could be when you receive a letter informing you that you’re being moved onto the new deal. This is likely to happen if you exceed your allowance twice in six months.

Once your package has been upgraded, you have to pay an extra £7.50 for at least one month before you can revert back to your old deal. If you go over your allowance again within the same six month period, you will be automatically upgraded again.

TalkTalk customers have a higher data allowance at 40GB for their basic package, compared to 2GB for Sky Broadband Everyday Lite, and if you top the allowance you will be notified by letter first.

However, if you exceed the limit for a third time in six months you will be automatically upgraded for an extra £5 a month and can also only unsubscribe after 30 days.

How much is in a gigabyte?

One gigabyte (GB) equals around 1,000 megabytes (MB).

Roughly speaking, an hour spent browsing the internet could use up about 10MB, whereas 100 emails could be around 1MB.

TalkTalk estimates that 40GB gets you: 10,000 web pages a month, 500 digital pictures, 500 MP3 songs, 20 hours each spent watching YouTube, iTunes HD trailers and iPlayer usage, along with eight hours of iPlayer HD usage and 30 hours of using Spotify.

Why is the data usage higher than you thought?

For some customers a penalty (or automatic upgrade) will seem unjust. This is especially true if you have no idea how much data you use and would happily reign in the time spent on YouTube in order to keep costs down.

If you don’t know why your usage is riding so high, it’s worth investigating a number of possibilities. Most likely you or a member of your household has been downloading a lot of pictures, music and maybe TV programmes, which use up a lot of data, so consider cutting back.

Check your wireless security settings to ensure there aren’t any chancers living nearby who are using the internet – and therefore data – at your expense.

A computer virus could also be distorting your usage. You can install internet security software to protect your computer from these kinds of threats.

Monitor usage or switch deals

For the web surfers who aren’t surprised by the upgrade, it might serve as a reminder to check whether you have the best deal for your budget and broadband usage.

You can monitor how much data you have used up through both Sky and TalkTalk to make sure you stay within your limits and only pay for the package you can afford.

However, if you use the internet a lot more than your current deal permits, then it might be time to consider permanently upgrading or switching. In some cases it could be cheaper to upgrade with your existing provider and it’s worth considering Sky’s unlimited package because it is literally that – unlimited, unlike plans that claim to be so but do have a cap under their ‘fair usage policy’.

Either way, the best way to compare deals in your area is through a price comparison site like BroadbandChoices.co.uk.

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Comments (17)

  • moniker
    Love rating 3
    moniker said

    I've seen those numbers on how much such-and-such allowance will allow me to download before, and they are never true. They are valid if what's being transferred is just the raw data, however that's rarely ever true. The protocols for purchasing and downloading music and films from iTunes, Amazon, Netflix etc always carry a certain amount of overhead. Your computers go out and check for email every so often, and that adds to it too even if there's no new email to fetch. Some web sites reload web pages automatically, adding to the volume of data being transferred. Computers check for software updates and download automatically. Quite often, those updates can be very large. A recent update from both Microsoft and Apple would have used up most of the paltry 2 GB allowance from Sky, for example -- per computer. If your household have more than one computer (as most have these days), that same amount will be downloaded for each computer.

    A content-heavy web page from one of the newspapers will often contain 0.5 to 1 MB of data, or even more. And that's without videos. The 10 MB of data for one hour of surfing will simply not hold true for most of those web sites that many people use frequently.

    My mother is in her 70's and doesn't use her computer every day, but when she does she post things on Facebook, send and receive email, watch the latest pictures of her grandchildren on Flickr, some occasional video chat with them, check the news including the occasional video clip, some online banking and play a few simple games such as Scrabble online, to keep her mind fresh. Her internet usage is in the neighbourhood of 70 GB per month.

    For peace of mind, always compare the unlimited packages, unless you know for a fact that your broadband connection will be unused most of the time and that your computers won't be turned on very often at all.

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  • msknight
    Love rating 31
    msknight said

    I'm a network technician and, in my humble opinion, if you're Granny is using that kind of data then I'd scrub her PC for viruses.

    It has to be admitted that now people have broadband, this has been taken advantage of to deliver better looking adverts that are designed to make you want to buy stuff. Some sites like free scrabble, etc. also use these kinds of media heavy adverts; however they shouldn't come anywhere close to accounting for that kind of data throughput. They just couldn't do that sort of thing in the days of dial up.

    Yes, PC's do have automatic updates and each PC will probably need to download everything, which is why when I'm installing XP from something like service pack 2, I make sure there is a few gig free on the allowance, but nothing of the order that you're talking of. You could download a completely new, updated operating system ISO file for 0.7 gig.

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  • moniker
    Love rating 3
    moniker said

    Msknight, I'm a network technician (the Cisco kind). My mother (not granny) is using a Mac, not a PC, and before you ask, Java is not installed and there's no spyware on it.

    The latest OS X operating system update that was downloaded to her Mac was 1.43 GB in size.

    As soon as you start using video chat and other features inbuilt in modern operating systems (and heavily pushed by manufacturers), bandwidth consumption starts going up heavily.

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  • msknight
    Love rating 31
    msknight said

    Apologies about her being your Mother not your Granny, I picked that up form another poster.

    OS X doesn't install every month. Your 1.43 Gb example is pushing it to the extreme and being Cisco qualified, you are aware of this and as a result I have even LESS sympathy for what you're saying.

    I am a very heavy user and I am hard pushed to hit 50 Gb a month; and I do mean a heavy user. Video chat, games, average of two ten minute video uploads to YouTube a day; sorry, but perhaps you need a sniffer to work out what is chewing that kind of data because something sounds seriously wrong to me.

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  • msknight
    Love rating 31
    msknight said

    Just for reference, the first version of Flashback didn't rely on Java on the machine, it posed as an update - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-17623422 - but you should already be aware of that news.

    Apple's official advice as far back as 2008 was to install anti-virus - http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/02/apple_mac_av_advice/ - but for some reason most of the Mac users I talk with seem to think they're immune. However, that article is old so the solutions noted might not be the best for certain situations now.

    Hope that helps.

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  • CuNNaXXa
    Love rating 362
    CuNNaXXa said

    70GB a month sounds like a lot of serious file sharing.

    Oh, and be wary of using G and g, or M and m, or K and k.

    Back when computers were large boxes (pre Apple and Commodore), 1 kilobyte was 1024 bytes, and one megabyte was 1024 kilobytes, because 1024 fits into the binary system whereas 1000 doesn't....

    1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64, 126, 256, 512, 1024 etc...

    Of course, specifying Megabyte, instead of megabyte, means they use multiples of 1,000 instead of 1024, which means when you are talking GB, an 80GB is actually 76.29gB.

    This is how they can sell smaller drives as larger drives. Unfortunately, Windows will report the drive size using 1024 (k) instead of 1000 (K) and multiples of, which is why, after installing your new drive, it appears smaller.

    Oh, what a con...

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  • ronat42
    Love rating 62
    ronat42 said

    All very interesting. 70GB at 8 hours per day works out at about (give or take a yard or two) 300MB per minute or several books in old money (that's per minute remember), but that was before technology was used for shipping huge quantities of junk about rather than delivering performance. However, back to the plot, I noticed that my mobile and telephone/broadband bills had been creeping up so I made a couple of calls and saved myself around £450 per year with no loss of service, mainly because I have been with the same providers for many years, and that's a lot more than the recent budgets have cost me. At least, some of the loot that the Government collects is put to good use although I suspect that some good housekeeping could save 50% of that and then I really would be quids in and we could all have a better life and not spend so much time watching stuff move about on a display screen, or maybe not.

    Anyway, I now pay about £25 per month for 300 minutes of mobile calls and more texts than I could use in a lifetime, oodles of broadband speed, free anytime calls and line rental. I suspect that I could do better but I have better things to do now thanks to the savings made with a couple of ten minute phone calls - a year's golf club membership for one thing. Then again, I now need less broadband usage so I could perhaps I could negotiate an even better deal.........

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  • JohnW
    Love rating 26
    JohnW said

    I think ronat42 needs some new batteries in his calculator. 70GB at 8 hours per day is about 290MB per hour or 5MB per minute.

    That is around 84KBytes per second, or 840Kbits per second which is around the bandwidth video chat would use. Uploading and downloading pictures would use more but not all the time.

    70GB per month does seem a trifle on the large side but not impossible, it is certainly worth checking out what is using that bandwidth.

    It is perhaps of more concern how many people are actually paying for more than they need. BT for example selling a pensioner 'unlimited' because thier sales person said thats what qas needed, when in fact their use was only a couple of GB a month which they could get at less than half the price they were actually paying. Switching them to a lower tarif actually allowed them to pay off their credit card debt in a year.

    Broadband and mobile operators feed on the lack of knowledge of thier client base, I know I was in the business long enough, check what you are using, I reckon 90% of users are paying more than they should.

    My mobile bill is less than £1 a month, nothing some months, why, I only receive calls on my mobile, when I make calls I make them from an unlimited anytime landline or over WiFi/VOIP using a hotspot. I am on the lowest BT broadband tariff, only once have I even got near my limit and I run a website business. But then I don't use any of the bandwidth hungry applications or websites.

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  • John Fitzsimons
    Love rating 30
    John Fitzsimons said

    Can i remind users, once again, to keep it civil with the comments. There are ways to share your own experiences without descending into unpleasantness.

    John

    Editor.

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  • ronat42
    Love rating 62
    ronat42 said

    Thanks JohnW. Batteries were totally flat as I was just back from about 15 hours train travel. Mental arithmetic was OK but I missed out the bit between hours and minutes. Even so, 300MB an hour for 8 hours solid should provide more pictures and words than anyone can reasonably cope with on a regular daily basis unless they are playing games rather than facing reality.

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  • eLJay
    Love rating 76
    eLJay said

    Are you sure that either she is secretly downloading torrents? Or someone has loaded a bot on her system to make it work for their own nefarious needs. Either that or she is using it for 24 hour a day video conferencing?

    ;-)

    70GB seems very high for someone with light usage. If I download a lot of Linux updates and Android Phone updates, plus watch the odd series or film I might push 50gb in a month but then I go off to work and am not sat at home.

    Something to bear in mind for my retirement is unlimited Usage costs!

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  • JohnW
    Love rating 26
    JohnW said

    Bandwidth can mount up, for example running a radio station in the background say 12 hours a day can run you up 25GB a month depending on the station and the stream requirements. Leave up your video connection to Skype and look at about 0.5 Gbytes an hour. Add in a few iPlayer reruns or Youtube downloads and it all mounts up.

    Remember your uploads are counted as well as your downloads.

    Maybe the PC is set up to go automatically to a home website that uses a lot of bandwidth and stays there all the time the PC is on. Could be all sorts of reaons.

    You are unlikely to run up huge bandwidth on email or even browsing, but start to play games on line or watch Video and watch the meter creep up.

    I actually believe what the ISP's are doing is fair, you can check usually check your usage on line and they warn you when you are getting near your limit, you pay for a certain amount and if you choose to exceed that you pay extra, they collect this by putting you on the next tariff and usually only after you go over what you pay for two or three times. Why should you get more than you pay for, The other alternative is to cut you off when you reach your limit, maybe people would prefer to be cut off. It is not so long since going over usage limits would cost you a fortune as they would collect for each GB used, now you pay a relatively small fee for the next level.

    Everyone has thier own way of using the internet and usage amounts will vary considerably, 70GB a month is a relatively high usage level but by no means impossible and on its own does not indicate viruses or anything else other than high usage levels.

    My use is about 20 to 30GB a month, I use the internet a lot but do not use bandwidth intensive applications and keep bandwidth hungry items turned off.

    I think Moniker gave a fairly accurate asessment but after all it is thier situation and there is no reason to disbelieve it. To just counteract that with a negative comment is not adding anything.

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  • nosbort
    Love rating 125
    nosbort said

    I hate to be a nay-sayer but there are a couple of glaring factual errors in the comments by JohnW above:

    'Bandwidth can mount up, for example running a radio station in the background say 12 hours a day can run you up 25GB a month depending on the station and the stream requirements.' - rubbish, go and buy a new calculator

    'Remember your uploads are counted as well as your downloads.' - rubbish, downloads are metered uploads in nearly all cases are not the Asymmetric nature of ADSL (and even Fibre) sees to it that the ISP doesn't need to charge for upload, in any case someone else is paying for it as inbound bandwidth somewhere.

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  • JohnW
    Love rating 26
    JohnW said

    @nosbort

    I stand by my facts, they are correct.

    Even the lowest quality radio service would clock up 5 GB a month, CD quality FM will be closer to 25 GB

    Check your ISP contract, your bandwidth is a usage limit not a download limit, anything over the WAN is counted. So when you video conference your usage is actually ticking up at twice the single stream rate. I can not speak for every ISP but most follow this industry trend. ISP's do not care that the other end is paying, as they are probably not getting that revenue anyway.

    With people using the cloud and online backup, upload use is increasing, most DSL links could backup 120 Gbytes a month using the uplink. Though at that rate you would not get much other use out of it.

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  • albinofool
    Love rating 0
    albinofool said

    It quite different with Virgin, they upgrade my broadband for FREE, after they ask me if I like to upgrade it...

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  • kstanley7
    Love rating 0
    kstanley7 said

    with response to albinofool with any isp especially virgin, there is no free upgrade, I was asked if I wanted to up my internet speed from 10mb to 20mb and with the broadband increase I'd get 50Mb for £2.60 extra per month for the upgrade.

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  • BGM
    Love rating 6
    BGM said

    do they upgrade it for 'free' by signing you up for a new contract without you realising ;D

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