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The Government is ripping off pensioners

Published 8 March 2010 in Grow your wealth

Thanks to complicated and confusing systems, pensioners are getting ripped off by the Government, writes Malcolm Wheatley. Here’s how to fight back.

Last month, Parliament’s Public Accounts Committee published a damning report into the way that HM Revenue & Customs taxed older people -- especially pensioners.

Older people make up 18% of taxpayers.  And in 2007, the number of people over the state pension age was, for the first time, greater than the number of children.  So they’re hardly a minority group.

But despite this, the report concluded that older taxpayers were getting a ‘raw deal’ in their dealings with HMRC.  They are more likely to comply with their tax obligations than other taxpayers, but are less likely to understand them -- and many pay more tax than they need to.

Pensioners pay too much tax

In several ways, older people are poorly served by HMRC, said the committee. 

For a start, because HMRC’s systems don’t cope well with older people’s multiple sources of income, an estimated 1.5 million older people have overpaid tax by around £250 million, because of discrepancies between HMRC’s records and the records of employers and pension providers.

In addition, some 2.4 million older people have also overpaid around £200 million in tax, because they did not have their savings income paid gross of tax, and haven’t claimed back the tax deducted at source.

And despite the fact that older people generally have more complicated tax affairs, older people were however less likely to contact HMRC for help --  even though 36% did not understand their obligations, compared to 26% of all taxpayers.

Finally, it appeared that too few older people were claiming the age‑related tax allowances that they were eligible for.  This wasn’t too surprising, said the committee, because the rules on eligibility are difficult to understand, and older people do not find the claim form easy to complete.

No change soon

The committee made eight recommendations, ranging from the introduction of simpler system for older people, the provision of more help for older people in terms of tax advice, and a drastic simplification of the age-related allowance system.

All good sensible stuff, especially the simplification of the age-related allowance system.  Heck, I’ve got a Ph.D and even I don’t fully understand it.

But don’t hold your breath.  Although HMRC is introducing new systems, experts aren’t confident.  And even when those new systems are fully functioning, the National Audit Office is predicting that there will still be 20 million unmatched tax codes that it could take years to resolve.

So what can I do?

Despite that, help is at hand.  Although the rules are complex and confusing, it’s not too difficult to get the basics right.

Here, for example, is the part of the HMRC website dealing with pensioners.  And there are handy links to three highly relevant pages: the low-down on how pension income is taxed, what to do if you think there’s been a mistake in your tax code, and how to claim back tax.

There’s also a link to a useful page produced by the Low Incomes Tax Reform Group, dealing with the time limits and documentation required for claiming back over-paid tax.

Don’t forget, too, that £200 million in over-paid tax on savings interest.  Here’s a handy overview on how savings interest is taxed.  Here’s how to register to get your savings interest paid gross, rather than with tax deducted.  Here’s a handy online tool to see if you’re eligible for this.  And here’s how to claim back tax paid on savings interest.

Find out the easy way to invest your ISA and beat the returns on cash

Finally, don’t forget the virtues of simplification.  Earnings from an ISA -- whether dividends or interest -- attract no further tax, and don’t even have to be reported on your tax return.  So make sure you squirrel away as much as possible in ISA tax shelters.

You may also want to consolidate investments -- including cash ISAs -- into a single holding at a fund supermarket such as Hargreaves Lansdown or Alliance Trust.  That way, you’ll get one statement, and single consolidated payments -- which should make things easier to track. 

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Full disclosure: Malcolm has SIPP and ISA investments with both Alliance Trust and Hargreaves Lansdown.

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Chorlton1 said

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So much reliance is placed on internet information and so little consideration for the people who really need the information. Many pensioners don't have a clue how to turn a computer on never mind accessing information on the internet. Funny how it takes the HMRC so little time to contact you if they think they are out of pocket but they are slow to react if people are overpaying.

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"All good sensible stuff, especially the simplification of the age-related allowance system.  Heck, I’ve got a Ph.D and even I don’t fully understand it."

A few years ago there was a politics program on TV which took some time out to look at how Labour had changed the UK's tax system since coming to power.

They started off by asking an accountant (who else?) who had been around for a while and to that question he produced a copy of a book, published back in 1997, which contained the complete tax laws as they were at that time. He then produced another 3 much thicker books and said that all three were needed by accountants to understand how the tax system worked now.

In other words, in his view Labour had increased the complexity of the tax system by more than 3-fold.

Chorlton1 said

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"In other words, in his view Labour had increased the complexity of the tax system by more than 3-fold."

Isn't that the case for everything Labour have touched and why the public sector is costing so much even though the service we receive is worse than ever. We now have bean counters, bean counter managers and the regulatory service OFBEAN to check the beans are counted correctly. There are far too many layers to all public services and nobody seems to know what the other people are doing.

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Chorlton1 said

"Isn't that the case for everything Labour have touched and why the public sector is costing so much"

In the Financial Times a few weeks ago there was an article which, from memory said that the everage pay packet had increased by 3.8%. They then went on to break this down as:

Private sector: 0.2%

Public sector: 3.7%

Yorkstyke said

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The complexity of the system shows what a convoluted mind our Great Leader Gordo really has.

fenemore said

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Age Related Allowance only works if you have failed to make provision for your retirement.  Oh yes everyone over 65 gets it, but if your pension is over £22,900 then our beloved Government starts to claw some back.

If your income is over this figure, they reduce the age-related allowance by half of the amount - £1 for every £2 - you have over £22,900, until the basic rate allowance is reached.

So, as usual, you do the right thing and then get clobbered for it!

To those who may voice the opinion that others can only "dream" of receiving such a pension - I overpaid on my contributions heavily for many years making expenditure sacrifices to do it.  I should not be penalised for it!

greendwarf said

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Tenemore claims to be penalised because he loses the age related allowance as his pension is more than £22.9k.

Firstly, I don't see why he should get the benefit designed for poor pensioners paid for out of my taxes when he dosen't need it.

Secondly, he is really saying he'd rather depend on the whim of government who can give and take at a moments notice rather than rely on establishing his own sources of retirment income?

Thirdly I will be in the same fortunate position when I finally retire of not being eligible or needing this extra allowance but I don't begrudge those who do. 

Finally - to go back to the original article - it is true that older people are cheated by HRMC. I have been told that I don't now need to complete a tax return but after several years I'm to be taxed at 40% on all my earnings next year despite my other income being less than the threshold. Needless to say writing to HRMC has brought no reponse.

I wonder how many other pensioners are told no need for a tax return and are then cheated out of their allowances etc. as a result!

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I have income from saving and investments, rented property, works pension and state pension. My former employer uses a special tax code so that income tax from all sources is paid out of my works pension. The way that the inland revenue adjusted my tax code resulted in me paying at 40% and overpaying by over £800. When I queried the overpayment by phone I was assured that the payment was correct. I argued that their methodology or algorithm was faulty and finally a supervisor discussed it with me and agreed quickly that I had overpaid and I was promptly reimbursed to the penny.

My situation cannot be unique! I now have such a low opinion of these people, who we naively think are acting in our interest, I believe that they are actually under orders to work against us. They know exactly how many taxpayers are likely to overpay, but they are instructed to leave it up to the persistent, street-wise and aggrieved to claim their proper recompense, so that the the remaining overpayers make life so much simpler for the exchequer. What a pity that Britain has descended to this level!

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Age related allowance is a scam. It was designed to allow the government to give more state pension to those who had made poor provision for their old age by taking from the richer pensioner to give to the poorer pensioner. Yet both may have paid their dues and could expect the same reward! If government decides to take means-testing to the limit then anyone with a  personal pension which exceeds a state pension will receive no state pension at all!

Kent said

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I think I'm living in some sort of parallel universe.

I'm 70, so presumably decrepit and incapable of thinking for myself.  HMRC send me a letter every year telling me to fill in a Tax Return, so I do.  Don't they send this letter to everyone, or do they just pick on me?

Anyway, it's easy enough to fill in, because it is all logical and self-explanatory.  I suspect it would only get difficult if I was trying to evade or conceal things.  I seem to think it explains about ensuring tax is not paid on interest on savings if the claimant is eligible.

It is NOT complicated.  The only thing about it is that you do have to get off your fat a**e and actually do something, instead of staring at a TV all night.

Iniq said

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Kent must be either very clever at being able to calculate with certainty that he is paying the right amount of tax, or very complacent in his confidence that HMRC is calculatiing his tax correctly.

His arrogant and complacent post misses the point enirely.  Filling in a tax return may be relatively straightforward, but then calculating the correct amount of tax you should be paying is not.  If it were a simple calculation, how come HMRC seem to get it wrong so often?

In my case, for instance, after giving me the increased age-related personal allowance one year, the following year (despite my income being virtually unchanged) they forgot, and only gave me the normal (not age-realted) personal allowance.  HMRC have as yet failed to reply to my letters complaining about that.

I suspect that Kent may well be being ripped-off by HMRC at present, but hasn't been able to work that out!

How many pensioners actually KNOW, for sure, what personal allowance they are entitled to?  Not everyone is a miser or a mathematician, but they should not need to be, especially the more elderly and vulnerable.  Such people are entitled to expect that they will be taxed correctly and should be able to trust HMRC.  At present, that trust is misplaced.

Mike10613 said

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If you read all the rules the HMRC put out and then all those from the DWP; you risk early onset of dementia anyway! I read two leaflets from the DWP and they contradicted each other... It is best to act like you're decrepit and senile and then forget to fill in all the forms...

ticktock said

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The dealings I've had with HMRC have been factual and helpful. The form I get, I fill in within days of receipt. They have helped me pay my tax where I want to have it taken from. Any query I've had has been dealt with over the phone, there and then.

If there is a problem, I blame the system. My only complaint I have is, their letters are dated 2-3 weeks before I receive them and I don't blame Royal Mail.

Is there any point in saving through your life when others that don't/won't/can't, will get more than you do. You go without to save for your old age and find it's not worth it in the end. If I had not saved and gone without through my life, I would have no worries now as the state/council would pay all my bills, even the heating.

So to any young people reading this, don't bother. Spend your money.

mhlgreen said

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I agree with ticktock.  Whenever I have phoned HMRC, I have found a pleasant and helpful person.  In my opinion, the online tax form is well-designed and easy to use.  Whether the tax system is well designed is another issue. 

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