When to get married

Neil Faulkner
by Lovemoney Staff Neil Faulkner on 14 November 2011  |  Comments 36 comments

When is the right time to get married? Neil Faulkner gives his views on getting married and having a cheap wedding.

When to get married

I've written a lot about money on this website, but not a word about love, so today I want to write about marriage, with money taking just a back-seat role.

Being a numbers man I need concrete things to work with and, as the philosopher Goethe said: “Love is an ideal thing. Marriage is a real thing”. Or words to that effect. Also central to my theme today is something else that is very real, and that is having children. So it's about marriage and children. Money will come into it at some point too.

Children before marriage

I came to the idea of this piece from an unusual source. Rather than scouring small print or consumer laws, or playing around with my spreadsheets like normal, I was talking to a family friend who married first and then had children.

She asked me why it is that people have children first, as if they think having children – the great responsibility that it is – is not so important that we shouldn't first demonstrate true commitment to each other, for which marriage is perhaps well suited. By “people”, she was including me.

But don't misunderstand her or splutter over your 21st century coffees. This isn't some battleaxe with a grudge. It was an innocent question exploring the philosophy of it. It wasn't said in a “my man left me to fend for myself and two kids – men are scum” kind of way. She was considering scientifically the potential social ramifications, like a devil's advocate.

I think she was exercising her brain by taking the old saying further along, the one that we have to know each other really well to get divorced, yet we need be no more than acquaintances to get married. She was talking about how we don't even need to be properly acquainted to get children.

Five reasons children come first

We can all come up with lots of reasons why children happen before marriage. I've thought of five in a few seconds:

Contraceptive carelessness (what your children might call an “uh-oh”) and over exuberance probably cause lots of children before marriage. That's two reasons right away.

Thirdly, many may consider marriage as merely a religious symbol, which is no use to you if you don't believe in God.

The fourth reason requires its own sub-heading

Then there are some secular people, like me, who still see marriage as a nice symbol of commitment, but we put off getting married anyway, and decide to have children first.

The first and foremost reason I haven’t got married is that, while I love children, I hate weddings. I cannot emphasise the word “hate” enough.

I find the ceremony, the tradition, the standing around, the conservatism, the speeches, the small talk, all of it, boring as hell. What's more, I can't stand 80s and 90s music, the two worst decades for music in 100 years.

I even hate them more than Ikea - and I know I'm not alone with this attitude.

The fifth reason has a technical term for it

Marriage is supposed to be a commitment to being together forever, until you die. Unless you're planning to ride off on a motorbike to some alcohol- and drug-fuelled revolution for your honeymoon, getting busy living, your deaths are probably a long way off.

Yet, as a symbol of this life-long commitment, where every day together is to be cherished, we're supposed to blow an extraordinarily gaping hole in our wallets in a single afternoon, right at the beginning of the marriage.

Some people spend half or even all their life savings on a wedding. Some even get into debt for it. All that gone in just one day of their marriage. Psychologists have a technical term for this, and that is “bonkers”.

Then they have their whole married lives ahead of them, to struggle together to rebuild the money they spent as well as futilely trying to recover the wonderful, wealth-building compounding effect that they interrupted as a result.

If you want to test early on whether you can live through hard times together – till death do us part – you could start by having a wedding, and trying to get by afterwards. 

But we surely can't expect that the rest of our married lives will be so worthless that we needn't bother keeping the vast majority of our hard-earned savings.

I did it my way

I know what you're thinking. You're thinking we don't have to have a traditional, expensive wedding. That's easy enough for you to say. But I can't propose to my girlfriend while adding the caveat that the wedding has to be done my way, without tradition, expensive food, tailored clothes, and excluding four-fifths of her family.

Once I've asked the question, and if she answers the way I hope she does (or, at least, the way I think I hope she does) the bills will mount, because she knows we can afford it at this point in time. It's just that I don't want to afford it, for the reasons I just stated in points four and five.

What I want is a symbol that is more appropriate than a wedding for a life-long relationship, and less explosive. A symbol that renews regularly, maybe daily, monthly, annually, or whatever. The cost is spread out over our lives, as is the message of renewal and commitment. But the symbol must also leave room for surprise – it can't be a rigid symbol, but allow creativity to flourish. It can't be boring like weddings. That's what a good marriage symbol looks like to me.

How to spread a wedding out over the rest of your lives

I like to pose problems in my articles and then end with original solutions and action points, but I'm stumbling over the second part. I can come up with some good ideas from time to time, but my spreadsheets just don't seem to be giving me any insights today.

If you have any thoughts on how commitment could be shown with the romance of a wedding, minus the boredom or ceremony, and spread sensibly over the course of the marriage, then messages, please, in the box below.

More: My Big Fat Frugal Wedding

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  • Morphius
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    Morphius said

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    There are no comments yet.

    I'm looking at getting married soon... please someone reply!

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  • Donna Ferguson
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    Donna Ferguson said

    @Morphius... My advice would be.... remember that it is only one afternoon and I did feel different after marriage. It’s easy at the start to be unable to see marriage without seeing a wedding, but once I was married it was really no longer about the wedding, it's about the two of you and your relationship.

    The vast majority of our budget went on booze for the guests, which I was happy spending money on, and everyone seemed really happy to be at such an informal wedding where they could sit anywhere and just basically chill out in a pub with free food and booze. My dad didn’t really give a speech – it was more a performance art – he threw things into the crowd, changed his clothes, sang an African fertility song... I read my husband a poem... it was really our own sort of day. If you like the idea of being married to each other, for legal and emotional reasons, don’t let the wedding put you off – the wedding really isn’t very important, it’s just an ordeal/ritual but afterwards it feels amazing and lovely being married. Not necessarily immediately as I say, just in time, you realise you really really really like being married to each other – that’s how it was for us anyway.

    Have a read of this:

    http://www.lovemoney.com/groups/frugal-weddings/thread/132239/the-crazy-cost-of-weddings

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  • rbgos
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    rbgos said

    When I first proposed, we planned to do the whole big wedding thing - hotel, 120 guests, big meal etc. etc. In the planning it became so much of a nightmare (and so interfered with by certain parents of the happy couple), that it no longer felt like our occasion, the event we wanted. In the end we cancelled the whole thing.

    Two years later we tried again - 20 of our closest family and bestest friends, half-hour drink in the pub, off to the church next door for the celebration, back to another pub after for a meal, drinks, informal speeches. We got to spend quality time with the people we really like being with, rather than flitting around spending 5 minutes with everyone, most of whom we hardly know. Those who were there still say it was one of the loveliest weddings they've been to.

    What it took was the courage to be different, to do what we wanted rather than what everyone else expected that we should do.

    Oh, and our first child was born a year and a half after we did eventually get married...

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  • Escapeman
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    Escapeman said

    Have to agree with you about the bad music in the 80's and 90's. 60's, and Gram Rock 70's much better.

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  • Escapeman
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    Escapeman said

    Gram Rock?? Glam Rock!

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  • This_is_me
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    This_is_me said

    Unless you see yourself as one of the feral males who go around fertilising whatever women wish to be serviced, as happens in numerous estates around the country, then you are in effect already married so you might as well recognise the fact. It is also important to remember that men are things that women put up with on the ‘big day’ and if you are sensible you will just do what they want otherwise you will have it all cast up to you for the rest of your life. Your planning role should be restricted to reminding everyone that it should be a relaxed people event not a media production and then agreeing with whatever the women want. You also do not seem to realise that there is a moral law built into the fabric of the universe. It is no co-incidence that our country is in decline while countries like China and many in South America are doing so well. /Those countries have rapidly increasing numbers of Christians while numbers in our country have been declining for a century.

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  • alkan
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    alkan said

    We simply each invited our closest friends and parents. No other relatives. We prepared all the food (guests invited to make things if they felt like it – my wife’s best friend make the cake). Married in Reg office. Then back to our place for the afternoon. We chose clothes we felt comfortable in. Music from hi-fi. No hire of venue, caterers, clothes, no travel costs. No families to clique. My best man took the pictures (except those he was in). All in all a great day and no financial aftermath (if you exclude the six children we have). Still together after 40 years (36 married).

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  • hulmeisred
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    hulmeisred said

    rbgos - cancelling your initial wedding really was a brave and bold thing to do - and given the level of interference, you absolutely did the right thing. I speak from experience.

    I was not brave enough to cancel mine once the interference started, and I still resent what happened. My wife and I are not as close I believe we would have been and I haven't seen my wife's family since the day over the wedding (now nearly 6 years ago).

    Basically I'm a low key sort of guy, comfortable in small groups of people I know well and a total atheist. I agreed to a church wedding (she and her family are catholics) on the compromise that it would all be a low key, immediately family only type of do. Once I agreed to that, I was then constantly pressured from the outset to then increase the scope and it started getting bigger and bigger. Then on the day of the wedding there were loads of people there who turned up invited by her family who they hadn't told me about on top of dozens that I had previously agreed to. I was very close to walking out on the day, but in the end begrudgingly went through with it. I should have walked out (not on her but the ceremony - but it could have led to the same thing), or more sensibly should have brought the whole miserable enterprise to a halt in the planning like you (rbgos) and then started from scratch and planned something we both could enjoy.

    There was even more to the disaster then I mention above (i'e my wifes mother promising to pay for the £2000 dress and other stuff and then not doing so, leaving my wife in debt which she couldn't repay, less than a year later she ended up in bankruptcy..sigh..). I only found out that this had happened a few months after we were married, when she started to struggle for money.

    My advice to anyone planning to get married, is to make sure you do what you and your partner want to do. Not the friends and family. We are thinking of having another private ceremony, with just us and the kids - because we obviously don't have wedding pictures up - but am still not ready for that yet.

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  • Escapeman
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    Escapeman said

    Got married twice. To the same gel. Three days apart! My new wife went back to her Mum's straight after the first wedding!

    We had a Civil Wedding in Belgium (this is the one that counts in Law), and then a religious one on the next Saturday. Massive party, mostly relatives.

    However, being in Belgium, we stayed on after the wedding with *our* pals for a few days, two even came on Honeymoon with us (different boudoir!).

    I would not have called the wedding a disaster, but I think having our own pals about or a few days made the difference. Otherwise we were just "on show" to the Friends and Family of our Parents.

    Oh yes. First sprog born just over 5 years later....

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  • Mike10613
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    Mike10613 said

    We have a mobile vicar where I live who will marry you in the garden, then you can have a cheap barbecue after. It saves a fortune; especially if you don't have to invite you half a dozen kids.

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  • killick_becki
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    killick_becki said

    Like Morphius i'm getting married in a couple of months time. I'm saddened by this article as it shows that marriage has become more of an excuse for a party than for what it really stands for. My partner and I were insistent from the start that we would plan everything for the wedding and only accept input from the parents when we asked for it. We are lucky as they have been really good and respected our wishes. Although, like Neil, we have plenty of money to potentially spend on the wedding, we agreed a modest budget (£5k) and have stuck to it (so far). It has been helped by the fact that we have a photographer and cake baker in the family so that has saved us potentially over £1k straight away.

    Neil, if you are not sure of whether your partner will respect your wishes for a small wedding, maybe that is a sign of a bigger problem!

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  • MrS
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    MrS said

    I had a traditional marriage then children and I used to think that was best of course as well as morally correct but my advice to my sons now is not to get the Law involved in your marriage and not to sign that Register. Commit of course in front of friends and family but not in Law. The reason is that in divorce the British system gives the house and the children to the woman without question, no matter how she behaved and Dad is told to p$%^ off and just keep paying her - in theory under Law for the rest of her life no matter how many other men she might live with for years on end.

    There is no equality or justice in English divorce (that's why so many foreign women married to wealthy men import their divorces here) and the mantra of putting "children first" sounds reasonable on the surface but the reality is its all about the ex-wife. The children are not in fact put first - the presumption is that the wife's interest is the same as theirs and so she gets what she wants more or less. One friend of mine and his kids went through all sorts of horrors at the hands of a clearly disturbed woman. The kids were very clear with all the many officials involved that wanted very much to live with him but the Court always always say children and therefore the house and money go to the wife. As one social worker speaking off the record put it to him, unless the wife is assessed as very likely to be about to do serious harm or kill one of the children then she will always get them, no matter how she behaves, no matter what the children want, no matter what the father wants or can do better. End of story.

    As a man you are turfed out of the house you paid for, you are the one struggling to see your kids while living in a tiny bedsit and you subsidise her lifestyle and that of any new low income "partner" that happens to turn up. She has the entire system on her side and the CSA or whatever its called now is an arm of the State specifically set up to hound you and confiscate your income and last remaining assets if you get into financial difficulties. You literally have to go bankrupt before the system will believe that maybe you cannot pay a kings ransom to your greedy ex any more.

    So young single men, I recommend a committed relationship and the joy of a family but I also urge you stay well clear of the "Family Law" Injustice system we have in this country. Women and perhaps even some married men not divorced will tell you this post is exaggerated or full of bitterness (a favourite riposte of women who have no incentive in changing such a biased system - indeed many have exploited it in their first marriages) but seek out some divorced mentors and ask them. True not every suffers the worst case scenario but I have yet to meet a man coming out of a contested divorce who thinks the system even remotely fair. Find out for yourself. Until the Law changes to something more like the Swedish model, or even God forbid the German, then men in this country will suffer a particularly cruel and perverse form of discrimination and are much better off maintaining complete financial independence and using what meagre practical rights they have as Fathers to best effect if the worst comes to the worst.

    Keep what you earn, put any house you buy in the name of a trusted relative or off shore company, make sure any shared assets have a clearly defined split implemented in a robust way, do not share your money in a joint account but provide a regular sum to run home if thats how you work things, build up your pension fund in some vehicle that the Courts cannot easily reach (yes they gladly rob you of your old age to support her in comfort), never tell her about your financial affairs, find a bent lawyer if you get divorced because a straight one is no use at all in fighting for your rights, keep all records in a secure location outside the home. Try and think like an organised criminal because thats what English Law believes you are - they are just waiting for the Divorce petition to make it official and time and all the might of the State is on her/their side.

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  • ains
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    ains said

    We married 7 years after we started living together and spent 20k of which 5k was borrowed and paid off after 3 years. We are looking forward to our 10th wedding anniversary next year. We are happy without children and have friends with children who have divorced and experienced all of the difficulties discussed however a common link we have seen is they married before they really knew each other. We also had a friend recently bereaved whether partner died suddenly at 42, she was not married although had lived with her partner for 10 years and now due to a will which was never written is now awaiting the probate decisions of her former partners mother, which would have not been the case had she been married. A balanced article would Have consider more than has sadly been written.

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  • wondrinfree
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    wondrinfree said

    Hate to say it Neil but you read as though you are trying to find excuses not to be married without actually saying 'I don't want to be tied to you'.

    Your first two 'reasons' for having kids first are actually one and that is carelessness. You then become vague and nonsensical (80's music, really?). A wedding (and marriage for that matter) is as religious or not as you both want it to be. Your wedding can be as you both like it and pretending that this the major obstacle merely tells the world how little you regard your partner.

    A marriage, stripped bare of all the nonsense, is a commitment, and the only reason not to make that commitment is because you do not want to commit - for whatever reasons - although I would suggest you come up with more convincing ones then you have.

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  • lish85
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    lish85 said

    We are also getting married soon, we live together and have two young children already and although we're not religious and both come from 'broken homes', my h2b and I both believe in marriage.

    My parents never got married and when they seperated after 20 odd years, my mother said she wished that they had gotten round to it,as there was no official ending.

    We are having a low key wedding in the spring,reg office and an all in deal at a local hotel. No transport,3 course meal, big white dress etc. His mum has invited extended family that I don't know, but she's offered to pay for their meal so i'm happy for them to come!

    My partner was with his ex wife for a long time before they got married and had a child,they did everything in the right order and it didn't last. There isn't any need for us to get married,although its only costing us 2k, but we love each other and we are commited to each other despite the children,house etc.

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  • nosbort
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    nosbort said

    There's a 6th reason for children first and it has been 'practised' for years in this country as well as others, farmers were famous for marrying a pregnant girl as they needed to be sure that they would be able to have children to work on the farm and didn't want to end up with a barren wife and no labourers.

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  • tadpole
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    tadpole said

    Surprisingly, that old-fashioned word morality does still come into it, for some of us.

    What is wrong with making a life-long commitment if you truly love another person?

    It tells the world "We are a couple and intend to stay together for life." Perhaps more importantly, it gives any children a greater feeling of security and a strong example of commitment.

    All you need to get married is a Registrar or Priest, two witnesses and about twenty minutes of your time to be legally and morally married. The rest is just frothy extras!

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  • urbanhacker
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    urbanhacker said

    Is "This_is_me" suggesting one needs religion to be a moral person and make a commitment? And rather than communicate with your partner about what you both want on the day, a man should shut up and allow their potential nest egg to be spent? My word, you really are a dinosaur aren't you. Please keep your poison between yourself and the daily mail, mkay.

    Meanwhile for those interested in Secular weddings where one can choose the vows, the budget and how your ceremony is conducted I would recommend the Humanist option:

    http://www.humanism.org.uk/ceremonies/humanist-weddings

    The fee for the celebrant is not huge. Every other cost consideration is entirely down to what you want to spend.

    The day will be about the two of you, not about a make believe father figure in the sky handing down moral universal law to his unwitting children, nor will your fee go toward an established religion you don't support.

    You will still need to complete a registration at a register office. Currently there is some pressure on the government to permit humanist weddings to 'count' but the establishment has huge inertia on such issues.

    Do both on the day would be my vote ;)

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  • electricblue
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    electricblue said

    I rate expensive weddings and honeymoons in the same category as huge plasma TV's, SKY subscriptions and all the expensive cr*p which is now deemed essential and without which everyone seems to want to shout 'POVERTY'. Current generations moan endlessly that they don't have the same opportunities as their parents and grandparents and will never get on the housing ladder, blah, blah blah. Get your priorities right and get a life. Marriage is about love and commitment and if you look at all the high profile lavish weddings we've seen in the past ten years it would be easy to conclude that the success of a marriage is inversely proportional to the excess of the expenditure.

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  • Severian
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    Severian said

    Interestingly you never mentioned morality or commitment to the children in this article. Getting married shows commitment to each other, and having children after marriage rather than before shows that both parents are committed to bringing up their children as part of a single loving family.

    The modern trend of having children without marriage is simply an extension of the me me me lifestyle we have become accustomed to. We won't get married because it's easier to dump her and move on if someone younger and more attractive becomes available, and then the kids can just come at weekends leaving me free to get back to thinking about myself first.

    I can understand people not wanting to get married, but could never understand people wanting to have children without the marriage.

    And weddings don't need to be expensive - two of our friends had a registry office ceremony with two witnesses they took off the street, then sent us a postcard from their honeymoon.

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  • Severian
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    Severian said

    Escapeman - "Gram Rock". 1970s - are you sure you didn't mean "Gran Rock"??

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  • coloratura
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    coloratura said

    In reply to your article Neil, I hope that you have consulted your girlfriend on what she may want as your article only tells us what you want. Even your "hopes that she answers the way you think she might" indicates little or no discussion with the woman in question on the matter. Most people discuss the situation before the official engagement with formal marriage proposals being done less often from what most people tell me they did.

    With regards to cost and inventiveness verses "boredom", the couple themselves can obviously choose what they do and how inventive they want to be. Nowadays you don't have to go the traditional root if you don;t want to. There are plenty of variations to be had at different prices. I agree however that to go into debt or blow all of your budget on the wedding is madness but as you only do it once (you hope) then perhaps a little expense is not a bad thing. Money is a big consideration in all marriages and I certainly found in my marriage, which lasted 20 years until the death of my husband, that it was good to save some for the bills, some for unforseen expenses but then keep a little for enjoyment so that the marriage doesn't go stale and so that you have time for each other (a difficult thing I know when you have to work to pay the bills and especially when children come along). The worse things are to be someone totally frivolous so that you pile up huge debts but even worse I think is to have someone who thinks that money is God and is mean in the extreme. Moderation in everything I think.

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  • snowchick
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    snowchick said

    I am female and I have never fancied the marriage thing. My current partner of 13 years had been there and done that and is not in a hurry to do it again. He has asked five times and I have refused. We have 3 fantastic kids who have a stable happy family life. It is not the wedding itself that puts me off although the thought of family politics resurfacing, the worry of whether everything will be ok and the sheer cost is enough to put me off. I think it is the finality of it all. The 'forever' part. My partner and I are happy at the moment and have been for 13 years. I don't feel the need to trade him in just yet. I have friends who have met and married twice in less time. I don't think anyone can know what the future holds, you can only do what is best for you and your family as time goes by. If things were to change - and we all go through many life changes, it is then that you decide the next step. Divorce is never a nice word and it is indeed in every case I have ever heard of, an expensive word. Much easier to stay civil and friendly with each other for the best of all concerned rather than having the extra feuding and horrendous additional expense which comes with divorce. So my partner and I remain friends after 13 years, still together, we stay because we want to not because we have to.

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  • Donna Ferguson
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    Donna Ferguson said

    This was a very personal article by Neil and I think we should all give him credit for expressing his views so honestly. If you disagree with his decision, please do so with courtesy. Bear in mind that you don't actually know him or his circumstances just from this one article, so please refrain from making personal attacks or jumping to conclusions and judging his decision in a black-and-white way. We all deserve our opinions to be respected.

    Some great comments though, keep them coming!

    Donna (Editor)

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  • Neil Faulkner
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    Neil Faulkner said

    Hi coloratura

    I showed the article to my girlfriend before submitting it to lovemoney.com. She found it amusing and entertaining, which was the point of this light-hearted piece.

    She is also finding the comments as interesting and entertaining as I am. Thanks for contributing, everyone.

    Regards,

    Neil

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  • Severian
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    Severian said

    To be fair Neil you were always on a hiding to nothing with this one. Marriage is such a personal issue that everyone has different views on the morality and reasons for getting married or not. At least you've sparked an interesting debate - perhaps you could expand this into a discussion on issues such as having a will etc.

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  • Neil Faulkner
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    Neil Faulkner said

    Funny you said that, Severian, I just sent an article idea to the editor about the will I wrote. If they like it, they'll commission it.

    I don't take the views expressed unnder this article personally, for the reason you said: that it's a personal issue with lots of views.

    My own view on morality and marriage, which I didn't cover in the article, is that you're not necessarily immoral if you have kids and don't get married. I think marriage is more a symbol of commitment, and some people may decide they don't need/want that symbol to prove their commitment.

    Considering some of the comments, I think there is also some confusion here between weddings and marriage. I'd very happily be married, but I'm still allowed to hate weddings!

    Neil

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  • mambach
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    mambach said

    I've been a celebrant for two pagan weddings now (Our tradition has 7 priests for such ceremonies). One was a handfasting in which I was only peripherally involved, one a broom-jumping for close friends. The latter was set by a bonfire, on a hilltop with amazing veiws, with the whole circle (congregation) plus parents and a couple of extra friends. Clothes for most of us were warm jumpers (it was November), close friends made the robes for bride and groom.Vows were made up by the couple beforehand and shared, with the emphasis on mutuality (no 'honor and obey' here). Then pop down to the registry office for the legal ten minutes. Retire afterwards to local pub. Honeymoon of weekend in someone's farmhouse, made vacant, while the couple's stuff was moved into their new place. Total budget, around £500 (not counting the moving company). As the advert goes, memories of the day, priceless.

    I know our local Hindu priest also does weddings for not-of-his-faith, they're very colorful. Remember the description in Ghandi? "Take the last step, that we may stay always as friends. You are my best friend"

    One could do worse than look to other cultures and times to find something beautiful to celebrate commitment as a family. Makes the day different and memorable for everyone involved, and helps with the whole interfering mum thing, since you can specify 'it's from this other tradition'.

    Solved boring, solved expensive. Whether you have kids first or after is then between you and your missus!

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  • KeithPope
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    KeithPope said

    Hi

    I have been there and done it twice. The fist time in the '67 which was a "White wedding" in a large church in London. I felt totally removed from all that was going on around me on the day.

    The second wedding was in a registry office with all our friends around us. This for me was a far better day. So as far as wedding go, any couple should do what ever they feel comfortable with, not just what is expected off them by others.

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  • Robert Powell
    Love rating 3
    Robert Powell said

    Interesting comments.

    I'd be interested to hear what everyone thinks about the issue of the state giving financial perks to married couples and civil partner. Is it fair? Should the government be encouraging marriage?

    Rob

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  • oldhenry
    Love rating 274
    oldhenry said

    Can I say that if you cannot agree on the format and cost of a wedding then you should not be contemplating getting married in the first palce. You should not ever marry some one that you do not envisage being able to come to sensible arrangement with all you life. I do speak, on this subject at least, as someone with experience having being married for 39 and a half years- to the same woman that is. But you need to get your ducks in a row first and by thqat i mean find out that you are mutaqlly acceptable. We do not live together as that was not the normal thing in the 1970s for people like us. I was stll qulaifying too ( as an ACS) so hod to work for this. My wife to be was a teacher and working and earning more than I was so I was the risk. But we had a reasonably modest wedding paid for by her father she's an only child which they seemed to enjoy as it was mostly their friends at the wedding from what I remember. It was a church wedding and my wife got confirmed which I thought very nice of her really as I was confirmed coE and sang in a choir at the my local. Her mother did not like religion but her father was a RC so that was out as my wife to be did not like that religion .

    So we had to sort out those thing first. We have had three children and have thre grand children. But one son lives in teh USA with his wife and children so see them once a year.

    I really belive marriage shoudl vbe rewarded by teh Government as it gives a stable base to a family and encourages this in teh next generation. Both my sons have got married and had children within teh marriage which I think is good for everyone. My daughter has not got married not has had children but lives alone. This si her choice and that is fine by me.

    I would be very alone without my wife and I think marriage is a good state for the majority of teh populaqtion, there are always those that do not want to enter commitments but life is a commitment and to live alone os a starin on many.

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  • Escapeman
    Love rating 13
    Escapeman said

    Severain,, "Gran Rock" just shows your age!

    Mind you, by saying I prefer "Glam Rock", I suppose, shows mine as well! :)

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  • jedi44
    Love rating 33
    jedi44 said

    We got married 5 years ago, having decided that 20 years was a fair trial run. My husband proposed by cycling up beside me in France and saying "do you wanna be ma bitch?".

    The wedding was just as romantic, in the local registry office with just my brother and his then girlfriend as winesses. It was in December (20th anniversary and all that) and they were straight off the plane from a Daily Mail cruise to Brasil (her reading matter, not his). Their luggage had gone astray so she was still in the clothes she flew in, just to improve the photos, which were taken by us taking turns with the compact digital. My dress was a 2-piece from a mail order catalogue that I was upset to notice at half-price a few weeks later.

    Lunch was in a nearby Italian restaurant, cutting a cake that was a bit the worse for wear, the lid having blown off in the gale earlier. A bottle of champers from hubby's friends set things right and the grub was good. So good, in fact, that when we got to our hotel for our 1 night honeymoon we had no room for the evening dinner that looked gorgeous too.

    We had planned a long, sunny hill-walk the next day but, since it was pissing it down by then, we just headed home.

    The whole lot cost about £300 but I don't feel any less married.

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  • Money ninja
    Love rating 6
    Money ninja said

    Ha ha ha... I'd love to get a few tips on saving for my wedding... have decided to get a dress made in Vietnam... so that should save a bit..

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  • krustallos
    Love rating 41
    krustallos said

    I believe the traditional arrangement is for the bride's father to pay for the wedding. If she wants a traditional wedding you should insist on tradition in that aspect also.

    I'm assured that most women want the Big Day in the meringue-style dress, probably more than they actually want to be married. I think blowing a huge sum of money is partly the point. Best to make sure it's someone else's money...

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  • krustallos
    Love rating 41
    krustallos said

    Incidentally, I just saw a documentary about the American singer-songwriter Blaze Foley. His fiancee's parents wanted him to convert to Judaism before he could marry their daughter but he couldn't face the amount of study involved, so they jumped over a broomstick instead.

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