Tax amnesty for eBay traders and electricians

Rosalind Kent
by Lovemoney Staff Rosalind Kent on 29 April 2012  |  Comments 22 comments

HMRC gives ebay traders a chance to hand themselves in. And electricians too!

Tax amnesty for eBay traders and electricians

Contrary to popular belief the people at HMRC are actually very kind.

Yes, they chase you down when you don’t pay your taxes, and yes, they can make you pay massive penalty fines – or even bang you in prison if you're a serial offender! But they also regularly give you a chance to hand yourself in when your dealings have not been quite … above board!

And the time has come, once again, for HM Revenue & Customs to offer an amnesty to some of those who have been less than forthcoming about the money they make.

Why an amnesty?

There are various trades for which the phrase ‘cash in hand’ is more familiar than others, and HMRC wants to crack down on the billions of pounds of unpaid tax that these markets generate.

With the government suffering a few ‘funding issues’ of its own in recent years, it has been even more important for HMRC to claw back these vast sums of unpaid tax. Letting people come forward voluntarily is a good way of drawing attention to these campaigns, and allows people to get their tax affairs in order without the fear of such huge reprisals.

Are you an Electrician?

On a regular basis HMRC will scrutinise the activities of various employment sectors and in the past has launched similar campaigns where it puts the trading activities of other self-employed people (like builders, plumbers, instructors and hairdressers) under the microscope.

There is currently an amnesty aimed at those trading as electricians: the Electricians’ Tax Safe Plan. Self-employed electricians who have not declared their income are being invited to make a voluntary disclose to HMRC by 15th May 2012. The amnesty offers electricians the opportunity of making a fresh start with their tax affairs.

Coming forward about any previously undisclosed income will mean that you will only have to pay for a maximum of six tax years, you can tell HMRC how much of a penalty you believe you should pay, and you can pay anything you owe in manageable instalments. It will also mean that you are only likely to have to repay the tax you owe plus a penalty of 10% of the unpaid bill, rather than a possible 100% penalty if you are caught!

The E-Market Amnesty

Running concurrently to the electricians’ amnesty is one aimed at e-market traders. Months ago it was reported that HMRC was set to scrutinise websites like eBay where goods are bought and sold online. HMRC wouldn’t confirm or deny this rumour, but whether it was true or not, it has now set up a disclosure facility for online traders to come forward if they have not previously been declaring their earnings.

Under this new initiative, e-traders have until 14th June to voluntarily come forward and register their desire to take advantage of this E-Markets Disclosure Facility. If you come forward you will then have until 14th September to provide details of your affairs and pay what you owe.

HMRC has stated that those who come forward may have to pay no penalty at all, with most only paying 10% of the tax owed by way of a penalty. Again, as with the amnesty aimed at electricians, if you do not come forward voluntarily, you might have to pay a 100% penalty.

With these kinds of ‘discounts’ in both penalties and repayments, it seems like a worthwhile thing to do. It will also stop you worrying that the tax man is hovering over your shoulder waiting to strike with much harsher punishments up his sleeve! 

Are you an e-market trader?

Many people make genuine mistakes with their tax affairs, sometimes through lack of attention to the rules, and sometimes because of a real lack of understanding about how the system works.

E-market places such as eBay are a good example of how a genuine lack of understanding of the situation can lead to people coming unstuck when it comes to tax. Millions of goods are bought and sold each day, with massive turnovers and profits being generated for the owners of the famous site. If you're trading on eBay you should be declaring your income, but many sellers are confused as to whether they are classed as traders or not.

Put simply, if you occasionally sell a few personal possessions to raise some cash you are not a trader and you won’t need to pay any tax on your income. However, if you are regularly selling goods or services online for profit then you're almost certainly trading.

If you're still unsure, ask yourself a few basic questions: such as how and why did you get the things you're selling? If you bought them with the intention of selling them on and making a profit, then you are trading. But if they are personal possessions that you just don’t want or need any more, then you're not trading. If you're still not sure, check the HMRC manual or speak to an accountant if you're really worried.

How to come forward

It's simple to take advantage of the E-Market Disclosure Facility or the Electricians’ Tax Safe Plan. Simply contact HMRC online, by phone or by post.

Further details of the e-market initiative can be found on the HMRC website. If you have fully embraced the digital age and are an avid Twitter user, you can follow HMRC @HMRCgovuk for updates on all their schemes and amnesties, and they frequently hold live Twitter Q&A sessions that allow you to get all the details straight from the horse’s mouth. 

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  • rsharp
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    rsharp said

    "If you bought them with the intention of selling them on and making a profit, then you are trading"

    "But if they are personal possessions that you just don’t want or need any more, then you're trading"

    I think the latter sentence should read - "...you're NOT trading"

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  • george19a
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    george19a said

    As you say - damned if you do & damned if you don't - par for the course really!!!

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  • urbanhacker
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    urbanhacker said

    Of course they're strapped for cash at the Treasury. They keep giving money away to big businesses. Its Ok, the little guys don't have as much defence as a big faceless corporation.

    http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-1704527/Taxman-let-Vodafone-off-6bn-bill.html

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  • SeaBee
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    SeaBee said

    When will HMRC turn their attention to 'car-boot' traders. It would be like shooting fish in a barrel.

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  • jazzlady
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    jazzlady said

    Quote " If you're still unsure, ask yourself a few basic questions: such as how and why did you get the things you're selling? If you bought them with the intention of selling them on and making a profit, then you are trading. But if they are personal possessions that you just don’t want or need any more, then you're trading."

    Is this a typo - should it say " then you're NOT trading " ? thanks

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  • philgsmith
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    philgsmith said

    I have been using the same eBay account for personal and company use for some time declaring transactions relating to the business and leaving personal sales and purchases out.

    In view of the increased interest being shown by HMRC, does anyone have experience of the issues in doing this?

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  • sparky454
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    sparky454 said

    I have been an electrician for 35 years and in all of that time, the Tax-man has given me zilch.. even when I try to claim for legitimate expenses everything is gone through with a fine tooth comb. I cannot believe that the taxman would let any electrician of with a mere 10% penalty. Then again, I suspect that the market that they will be after are the Unqualified sparkies who always do a 'Cash in hand' job and 'Never' issue the certificates that their surposed to. If that's the people the tax-man is chasing, then he has my full support, ortherwise leave us genuine sparks who do it right alone.

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  • AlanThomas
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    AlanThomas said

    I just hope the revenue consentrates on the peaple who are not registered or qualified, and appreciate the time and hassle Electricians now have with documentation

    1. Join the NICEIC...assessment scheme and fee

    2. Produce cerificates for each job...all numbered and signed for

    3. Inform Building control (Electrical safety part P) online notification for most jobs

    4. Produce an invoice

    By an NICEIC member...and NO! I cannot certificate another contractors work

    www.NICEIC.com

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  • serialsaver
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    serialsaver said

    "But if they are personal possessions that you just don’t want or need any more, then you're trading"

    Is this right, now I'm confused

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  • Iamcoldsteve
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    Iamcoldsteve said

    About electrical work.

    You could always do the work yourself, if you inform building control beforehand and then get the local authority to inspect and sign-off on your work.

    You will save an absolute packet than employing an expensive electrician. You will also treat your own home with respect and not leave a huge mess behind.

    This is entirely legal and OK. A lot of 'professional sparkies' will tell you that you CANNOT do work in your own home unless you are qualified. This is simply not true. But, they do have a vested interest in you paying for their (or their trade's) services.

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  • AlanThomas
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    AlanThomas said

    Anyone can 'do it yourself' electrics providing you go through building control for work in particular areas: kitchens/bathrooms/re-wiring...

    But once a registered contractor has informed building control though his scheme the client will be sent the appropiate certicate of compliance with a 6 YEAR warantee.

    If you do decide to sell your home in the future the new buyer (or there solicitor from my experience) will ask you for this document...and as before I do not certifcate another persons work!

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  • sparky454
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    sparky454 said

    Iamcoldsteve thinks that sparkies only have a vested interest in their own trade and like to keep it all 'secret' to make lots of money.. you couldn't be further from the truth mate. After years in an apprenticship, then further ongoing training to advance your qualifications, buy specialist tools (often costing hundreds of pounds) buy your van, pay to keep it on the road, pay your income tax etc buy your specialist pre-printed forms and paperwork, plus computer programs to accept data input and produce certificates and then expect an amateur to come along and ask for a 'Certificate', you must be joking.

    You should also consider this, as Alan Thomas says, no electrician worth his salt will sign-off someone elses work, why..? because by signing -off a job he would be declaring the installation had been carried out with competance and is also a safe installation. If someone is electrocuted, the last person to be 'declared' to have been working on the system would be deemed to be responsible for it.. i.e. accept the fact that although joe bloggs installed the system, by signing it off as safe, who do you think's going to jail for manslaughter..? you also have to consider the possibility of a house fire, if you cannot produce your installation certificates, the insurance company isn't going to pay out, and to be honest, why should they. Electricians are there for a reason, to do the job that 'they' have been trained for. After all, if you went into hospital to have your appendix removed, would you expect the hospital porter to do it.

    One final point, wether you like it or not, 'you' are not 'qualified to do the job, therefore 'you' are putting your families lives at risk, 'you' are putting your home at risk.

    I'm all for anyone wanting to save money on home repairs, but be realistic. Electricity can and has killed many people in the past, something as simple as an earth fault can be fatal. You can't see it coming, you can't hear it coming and it doesn't have a smell like gas. The first thing you know about a shock is when it hits you, or a member of your family. I've seen people get electrocuted, professional people with lots of years experience, and believe me, it's not pretty.

    Think about that tonight when your lying in bed and 'you' think you can smell something burning..

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  • Rosalind Kent
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    Rosalind Kent said

    Thank you all for your comments. Apologies for the confusion some of you noticed with the typo on "you are trading".

    This has now been amended.

    Best wishes

    Rosalind

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  • Iamcoldsteve
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    Iamcoldsteve said

    Alan and Sparky.

    I am not anti electricians or have any vested interest.

    I did say that anyone can do it, and YOU wouldn't be certifying the work anyway - unless you work for a council. They will arrange (at the homeowners expense) thorough testing of the installation and issue a cert just as good as yours.

    So people can lie comfortably in their beds knowing that the installation has been checked and is safe - and they haven't bought all your tools, van, paper for you.

    You appear to think that everyone who hasn't had sparky training is a complete muppet and will kill everyone and anyone who even so much as dares look at the wiring.

    You couldn't be further from the truth. SOME sparkies are actually incompetant, and some 'amateurs' are extremely competant. The other way round also exists, of course.

    However, I completely agree with you that electricity can (and has) killed, and gives no warning.

    But I have actually heard sparkies say that unless you "are Part P" you cannot do work in your own home. This is incorrect and I see it as protectionism. (P.S. I don't know what the term "are Part P" actually means. I know what Part P regulations are, but how can someone "be" it?)

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  • AlanThomas
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    AlanThomas said

    Iamcoldsteve, You are correct, you cannot 'be' it?

    The Building Regulations (Electrical safety) Approved document 'P' gives advice on what to do concerning electrical works within the home, and how an 'authorised' and

    'non authorised' person can proceed with the work...some electricians belong to a scheme and some do not...hence 'I'm part P' ? or 'are you part P'...ok its shortend terminology

    As for competance, NICEIC authorised 'part P' installers are assessed for half a day each year, if I do not pass 'Im not part P'...

    What is a puzzle to me is how a 'DIY' person can prove the 'Ze' of the electrical installation which is the essential earthing requirement...has he disconnected the equipotental bonding before the test?

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  • Iamcoldsteve
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    Iamcoldsteve said

    Alan,

    Thanks for your constructive comments.

    How can the 'Ze' of the installation be checked? If any DIY (or Non 'competant person scheme' registered) person does the work, then it would need to be notified in advance and the council would arrange testing and inspection upon completion. (So, in reality a 'DIYer' wouldn't need to test it at all)

    So, I would have thought that 'they' would know how to 'prove' it?

    If not, how can they certify it is done properly and safely? I would assume that the equipotential bonding conductors are disconnected to remove earthing paths, and also to ensure that the water and gas pipe earthing is not relied on?

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  • AlanThomas
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    AlanThomas said

    Iamcoldsteve

    Thank you, I have led you on with the 'Ze' issues. Last year I had a call from an old friend who bought a house to renovate, he did his own re-wiring, he had help me in the past and he was ok at fitting cables/boxes/sockets..ect, then applied for the local council to pass the work off/certification...

    FAILED notification! high 'Ze' and consiquently high 'Zs' values...the council inspectors reply was that we can only test and inspect to BS: 7671 and that the installer/designer reduce the circuits in size so that the (R1+R2) values are low enough to comply BS:7671 'Zs' values.

    After a call to the area electricity supplier they confirmed that the 'Ze' was slightly high but acceptable and they where not prepared to do anything. I then made a visit did suitable tests and advised my friend on the circuit and cable adjustments that he would have to make. (and the associated extra costs)

    My friend paid his re-inspection fee to the council and the work was passed off

    But please anyone reading this post do not use an earth fault loop impedance tester unless you have been trained on live circuit testing....

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  • Extremist
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    Extremist said

    Iamcoldsteve, yes, you can try and save some money by doing the work yourself, but consider this: let's say you decide you want some sockets on a new circuit in your kitchen, you must inform Building Control before you start, with your drawings, your design current, etc. They'll want to know you are working to BS7671, so I guess you should show them you have the relevant Regs books, any appendices and perhaps an Onsite Guide.

    They will doubtless give you the go-ahead and you'll merrily install the cabling (because, and this is no secret, that's the easy part of an electrician's job, it's why we pay monkeys to do it under our supervision) and accessories. Then you have to get Building Control back out so they can inspect your work - so don't be putting any boards down, or do any filling of any cable channels, they will test it, then allow you to energise the installation, after, of course, you've paid their fee.

    This could take months, there's no hurrying these people on, they work for the local council after all, no evening visits so you can get it all done before Christmas etc. Meanwhile, your wife is going crazy...

    Obviously, they might be sitting about waiting to rush out to your place the moment you call them to sign your work off...but then again, you might be dealing with a puffed up bunghole who "used to be local area rep of NICEIC" or whatever, who loves his moment of power, loves the sharp intake of breath, positively gets moist when he refuses to sign stuff off first time, just because he's the Big Man and he can. (And yes, I have met such a fat sweaty oaf, soooo full of self-righteousness, despite the fact he'd not been near any tools for 30 odd-years and was a complete desk-jockey. You don't argue, just pander to him, and make him feel superior, then he'll sign off work which is perfectly OK. It's akin to being a qualified mechanic and arguing with an MOT tester over a Fail - better to shut up, don't agitate him or you will find your motor will fail on the most obscure and pathetic thing)

    Anyway, better to pay the Sparks, he'll do it in all in 2 days from design to cert in your hand, then you can get on with your life. Like I say, it's not the monkey work that you pay for with an electrician, it's the unseen stuff, the Mathematics, the paperwork, the stuff he WENT TO COLLEGE to learn how to do. (So don't confuse a biffer who chops walls and does cable runs, the labourer you see onsite, for a REAL electrician. It's the difference between the surgeon and the bloke who stitches you up afterwards)

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  • Iamcoldsteve
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    Iamcoldsteve said

    I seem to have been attacked by the 'pack' because I pointed out that people CAN do electrical work in their own homes, IF they follow the correct procedure.

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  • Extremist
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    Extremist said

    Nah, not a "pack attack", even if it looks that way!

    You CAN do it yourself, same as you CAN build yourself a car out of bits of metal, but for the vast majority of people, these type of "money-saving" ideas are nothing of the sort.

    Although the "correct procedure" might seem straightforward, it's not always the case, and the theory side is far from something that any old Joe can do, just like that. (Though, like anything else, someone with a good brain can soon get his head round Prospective Fault Current, Earth Loop Impedence etc etc, it's not secret knowledge)

    What most qualified electricians (and again, that doesn't mean every bloke in the pub who works for an electrician installing cable) will be at pains to get across is that it is a SKILLED trade, and can involve some tricky mathematics to ensure a safe installation. Becoming a skilled, qualified electrician is less about crawling through lofts with cable, and more about formulae and mathematics, something I think most people are wholly unaware of.

    This is the reason a qualified electrician, a member of a trade body, charges what he charges, the same way your solicitor does. You CAN do a lot of your own legal paperwork, but you'd probably be making a big mistake...

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  • Iamcoldsteve
    Love rating 311
    Iamcoldsteve said

    From what I've seen, the maths behind electrical installations is pretty basic. There are plenty of free spreadsheets that will do all the calculations for you anyway.

    Simple maths to one person may not be to another one though. I do benefit from an 'A' Level in Maths and a Degree in Mechanical Engineering, so probably am not an 'average' person in terms of mathematical prowess.

    One thing though, there is little wonder why some people get hold of the old coloured wiring and simply claim the installation was done before the new regulations came into force........

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  • eLJay
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    eLJay said

    Well who holds onto all the paperwork anyway, especially if it can be seen to have been done by the previous owner. Though generally some basic maths and a meter to check resistances is as useful as anything.

    Not my concern atm as my house was fully rewired in 2007 at great expense to the previous owner who then defaulted on his mortgage and was repossessed. I ust need to fit a cable light system into my kitchen which has a very low ceiling.

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