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The banks are laughing at us

Neil Faulkner
by Lovemoney Staff Neil Faulkner on 20 October 2009  |  Comments 20 comments

The banks find it easy to sell us over-priced products that we don't need. Don't fall for their tricks.

The banks are always one step ahead of financial commentators, two steps ahead of their customers, and too agile for the regulator. Together with their propaganda machine, the British Bankers' Association, they make complete fools of us and run rings round us. Not all of us all the time, but in general.

The banks find it extremely easy to sell us over-priced products we don't need with poor terms and conditions. Credit cards, for example, have at least 19 traps. It stinks, and often we don't realise it for a long while.

Eventually, the feeble fishy smell is revealed as a rotting whale of a rip-off. However, the banks have a tried and tested seven-stage strategy for dealing with attempts to remove the stinking carcass:

Stage one: A propaganda campaign

This stage is also known as a 'public relations exercise'. The British Bankers' Association issues a statement describing the rip-off as 'a useful product providing peace of minds to millions and operating within the Banking Code' (the Code is the banks' chief piece of propaganda literature). After a brief search of the BBA's website I find a real example of which I take a small snippet:

'Payment protection insurance is a valuable product which provides customers with a safety net to meet their financial commitments.'

This statement has come in the midst of the greatest attack on payment protection insurance (PPI) mis-selling ever, as the Competition Commission makes some very strong conclusions that will be great for the consumer - and more work for the BBA.

Stage two: Counter-attack

Propaganda continues in the next stage as banks argue that removing the offending product, policy, clause or tactic would cause far greater damage to customers, perhaps by depriving them of vital benefits.

We have an example with this from the same BBA statement on PPI:

'We remain concerned that customers may be encouraged to cancel policies - or decide against taking them out - at precisely the time when a policy that covers the bills could be most valuable.'

Stage three: Disguise the product

If the counter-attack doesn't work, change the presentation. Often, simply re-naming suffices, which is why the reviled "mortgage indemnity guarantee" became a "higher lending charge", and "accident, sickness and unemployment insurance" became "payment protection insurance". (Each bank also tends to use its own names, which adds to the confusion.)

Stage four: Ignore the problem

Ignore customers, leaving individuals to fight to get a resolution. Offer financial settlements individually when absolutely necessary and for as little as possible, and, to stop mass settlements, label them 'goodwill payments' so they don't have to admit it's a stinking rip-off. The recent bank charges debacle is a great case in point.

Stage five: Increase prices

 When the pressure is on (be it from the FSA, the courts, the Office of Fair Trading, or whoever), banks increase the cost of the product or worsen the terms and conditions to maximise profits whilst they still can. This happened again with bank charges. During the early stages of the big case between the banks and the Office of Fair Trading, they actually put up their charges!

Stage six: Get the lawyers in and fight hard

Even if the banks eventually lose, by dragging it out using highly-talented lawyers, they're likely to rake in extra profits before the end, and give themselves more time to find another sneaky way to make a profit. Bank charges, again, are one of the most recent examples. They've dragged a court case over two years so far, pulling in perhaps £8bn in charges over the period.

They lost in the High Court and the Court of Appeal. The Court of Appeal said they had no chance of winning and refused to grant them appeal to the House of Lords. However, the banks went direct to the Lords and appealed anyway, delaying the case yet further.

Stage seven: Innovate

When all this fails, invent new products, procedures or tactics to get the same result. When this new method is discovered, begin again at stage one!

One example of innovation from recent months has been made to, once again, payment protection insurance (PPI). There are reports that Barclays has already withdrawn its PPI range as a result of a brilliant ban by the Competition Commission, but it intends to bring back what it claims are radically new products. As far as I can see, these 'radically' new products will involve selling a combination of re-packaged PPI and life insurance.

Bank charges are another example. Many financial journalists have already been tricked by the innovative new charging structures into believing they've been greatly reduced. However changing a one-time £35 charge into a £5 per day charge is just slicing the whale into smaller chunks.

A load of rip-offs

We see these tactics extending into history from PPI and bank charges today today, to exit fees yesterday and endowment policies the day before. We can combat this by staying informed. Read some articles on rip offs:

Mobile phone insurance: Don't buy this rip-off insurance

Home credit loans: Avoid these rip-off loans

PPI: Rip-off insurance: get your share of £200m compensation

GAP insurance: Another rip-off insurance to avoid

ID theft insurance: Avoid this expensive rip-off

Car and home insurance: The £100 car and home insurance rip-off

Savings accounts: Six snags with savings accounts

Currency conversion charges: Avoid these sneaky travel rip-offs

Some more tips

  • Don't buy anything you don't understand or where you can't understand how the bank makes its money.
  • If you don't understand any small print or want a second opinion, ask a question on Q&A.
  • If you feel you've been treated unfairly, complain to the bank. If you're unhappy with the result, complain to the Financial Ombudsman Service, which has strong powers to force a settlement on the bank and even to order compensation.

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  • SOCRATES
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    SOCRATES said

    Good, helpful, very true, well researched article Neil.

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  • ies2000
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    ies2000 said

    Fully agree SOCRATES - a great article Neil - shame the rip-off banks will take no notice!!!

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  • Landlord
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    Landlord said

    Sure I agree. You are right. But why fight the system when we cannot win. Banks are fundamental to capitalism and explicitly supported at the highest level of government. In some ways banks are an arm of government as the means by which tax is controlled, collected and enforced. As for me I found a bank who loaned me a great deal of money to buy properties which are now income producing. Sure the bank hit me with application charges and on a couple of occasions when I've gone overdue they have whacked me mercilessly with charges. But if it wasn't for the mortgages I couldn't be a landlord. As the system is designed to ensure the banks succeed, I have been buying heavily into their shares which are at historic low levels now. If you can't beat them, join them.

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  • paul64
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    paul64 said

    Concise and to the point.

    Stage 5 is probably the most hurtful, when they increase prices to keep floundering companies afloat as many 2nd mortgage customers are finding.

    Some banks, hiding under trading names, espoused by famous "number crunchers" on channel 4 daytime TV progs are deliberately increasing interest rates to unsustainable levels whilst the BoE base rates are at an unprecedented low, is storing up a timebomb of reposessions for a few years time when the rates return to normal levels, and of course the APR rises with the BoE rate.

    But with the help of the internet consumer groups such as firstpluscomplaints.co.uk and MSE are helping the consumer to fight back, and more power to their elbow.

    There must be a lot of companies out there doing the same and it makes me suspect that the banks want to be the nations "landlord" in a few years time when no-one can afford to buy any more.

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  • jetlag
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    jetlag said

    My biggest concern mirrors paul64. How dare the banks charge the rates they are currently!! Property, rightly or wrongly, is many peoples retirement refuge thanks to Browns plundering of pensions followed by the financial institutions greed.

    That being tha case what type of future does a first time buyer have when banks offer rates of 5-6% with BOE at .5%. What "timebomb" are they trying to engineer. What happens when in 2 -3 years time, BOE rises to say, a modest 3% and consiquent mortgage rates rocket to 8-9%. Have the public not suffered enough at the hands of Banks?

    Add to that the increasing use of the banks base rate not BOE to ensure ultimate base rate control stays with the banks and you have a recipe for financial disaster for millions, unless you happen to be a senior banker that is.

    And what about BTL. I recently asked by bank for a quote to purchase more property. One of the reasons they quoted (on e-mail) for the high rate was that BTL mortgage interest is normally reclaimable against tax. Conclusion? Banks want to even help themsleves to the meagre tax incentives that remiain for property investors. Just how much neck have the banks got.

    I could go on but fear of boring for Britian. As you can tell Im not a fan of the banks but I guess thats what you get for putting the fox in charge of the henhouse.

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  • Iamcoldsteve
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    Iamcoldsteve said

    To play devils advocate, Bank charges etc are only applied when the account holder breaks their promise (either going overdrawn, going over their limit, late on paying etc), so you can see it as 'punishment for wrong doing'.

    They WILL get their profit somewhere, should that be at the expense of the people who manage their money and play within the rules, or those who don't?

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  • Neil Faulkner
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    Neil Faulkner said

    Thanks for your comments, folks.

    Here's my view on that, Iamcoldsteve:

    http://www.fool.co.uk/expert/neil-faulkner/blog/196/is-it-right-to-reclaim-bank-charges.aspx

    Neil (the author)

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  • carefulcath
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    carefulcath said

    Neil is obviously very angry about it and it felt good to read his article as I feel the same. But I agree with landlord completely. The government and the banks are in control and in it for themselves. I haven't; but if you have the right attributes you can probably join them, stop them? I would love to think it was possible.

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  • Honky81
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    Honky81 said

    Landlord/Neil,

    I think the problem is not the bank making money, but the way they make money. They sell very very very overpriced products to people who may not need it.

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  • JackJones
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    JackJones said

    Why on Earth are you lot all whinging so much??? If you don't like dealing with banks then DON'T!! Why don't you just do what people used to do before cheap banking came along:

    - Get your salary paid in cash 

    - Hold it at home in various jars

    - Pay all your bills in cash on the day they are due

    - Don't borrow money you can't repay - SAVE before you buy things

    - Don't take out insurance against potential problems - save at least 6 months' salary (under a floorboard in your bedroom).

    OR - you could accept that some of the things banks do are socially useful - like keeping your money safe, providing you with transactional ability likes cheques and direct debits, making loans available, giving you credit cards etc.

    If you accept the latter then why not just shut up and accept that they hold the cards, not you! Minimise your problems by avoiding borrowing money or getting into debt, and build up some savings for a rainy day.

    Access to cheap or free services is NOT A RIGHT! The Government does not exist to make sure you get a cheap mortgage, or can always get a loan or a credit card. They have enough problems as it is making sure my kids get an education, and my nephew doesn't get killed in Afghanistan.

    It's time people in this country grew up and accepted some personal responsibility for their personal affairs, instead of trying to always find someone else to blame for their problems.

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  • JackJones
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    JackJones said

    And another thing !!

    Just re-read jetlag's post and it makes me MAD! He is complaining about how first time buyers can't get on the property ladder, and at the same time complaining that those horrid banks won't lend HIM more money to buy more property!!

    I can't believe the gall of some people - it is the BTL landlords who have helped drive first time buyers out of the market, by sucking up all the cheap property at overinflated prices (helped by the banks) and then renting it back at extortionate rents. Then he (I assume it is a he) complains that the banks have put a stop to this!

    Here is someone (a landlord) trying to get rich on the back of other people, complaining that someone else (a bank) is also trying to get rich on the back of other people. Pot, kettle, black?

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  • jetlag
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    jetlag said

    Dear JackJones

    I think you need to take a long deep breath and read my article again. The banks are indeed responsible for the challenges we all face today and to deny their unbelieveable greed is to naive.

    My point, if you care to consider it carefully, is that their actions affect every sector of the market. Now spit your bile at me for trying to protect my future now my pension is worthless if you must but please consider the plight of those who will be ensnared by the trap currently being set.

    And NO NO NO its not the BTL landlords who are responsible for the credit crunch buddy - wake up and get real.

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  • JackJones
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    JackJones said

    Jetlag - it IS the BTL landlords who helped to push up the price of houses, forcing the house price spiral of the past few years. And as I said, if you don't like banks - don't deal with them. No-one is making you. Just save up and buy out of your savings.

    In your post you say property is many people's retirement refuge. Well more fool them - because you need to live somewhere, so your house is not an investment (contrary to what Kirsty Allsopp would have us believe). The only time it is an investment is when it is not your home - e.g. if you are an investor - which brings us back to the question "what's the difference between a bank screwing the public and a landlord screwing the public?" The only difference I can see is scale of the profit.

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  • Neil Faulkner
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    Neil Faulkner said

    jetlag wrote: 'I think you need to take a long deep breath and read my article again.'

    Just to make this clear, jetlag meant you should read his comment again, not his article. He isn't the author of this article.

    Neil (the author)

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  • paul64
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    paul64 said

    Dear Jack,

    Whilst I understand where you are coming from, and its not a "cop out" on my part when I tell you that I CANT get my salary paid in cash.

    I HAVE to borrow money from the banks to provide my family with a stable home in which to live whilst I am in Afghanistan.

    I CANT therefore pay all my bills in cash on the day on which they are due, as I may not be able to pop into the Helmand branch of Lloyds TSB or any other bank as I may be busy doing something else at that particular time.

    I dont think that 6 months of my salary would sustain my family in the event that something were to happen to me and my employment prospects due to disability or the like were diminished, I therefore HAVE to take out insurance.

    I am not anti-bank as they do provide a service, but I also require them to be upfront at the start of any contract I make with them about how my interest rates are calculated from the start and not vary them on a whim or to bolster up flagging profits at my expense.

    May I quote you when you point out:

    "OR - you could accept that some of the things banks do are socially useful - like keeping your money safe,"

    They kept our money so safe that WE as taxpayers have been bailing them out for the past year and more, so how safe is your money in a bank ( I reckon maybe 50K of it is safe, but thats not a bank promise, its our promise as taxpayers to savers!)

    All we ask for is a fair product at a fair price!

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  • laalaa41
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    laalaa41 said

    Ah THIS old chestnut. Few deliberately think to themselves - pah I need money for a frock so Ill over my overdraft for it. Personally, my overdraft (which I never needed before) is mainly eaten up by over-charging and late refunds and mistakes service providers make. When one earns an average wage or less, the margin can be very tight in the last few days before pay day even with no luxuries of any sort - then suddenly some idiot debits you double a bill and on top of that disaster, one is expected to pay the bank through the nose for it. You never get that payment back - the DD mandate does not cover the consequences of their mistake.

    Dont delude yourself this is rare - its not. DDs are open doorways for any idiot to take what they darned well like.

    So steve - the ONLY people who can really be sure they'll never go over their overdraft are people earning so much it doesnt make any difference to them. Lucky you.

    L

    Iamcoldsteve said

    1 recommendation To play devils advocate, Bank charges etc are only applied when the account holder breaks their promise (either going overdrawn, going over their limit, late on paying etc), so you can see it as 'punishment for wrong doing'.

    They WILL get their profit somewhere, should that be at the expense of the people who manage their money and play within the rules, or those who don't?

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  • dingo79
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    dingo79 said

    The banks won't be laughing so much when they lose the unfair charges hearing at the High Court. The decision is to be delivered soon. They will have to give that money back to the hard pressed customer. Multi-millions of pounds, clearly they can afford it!

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  • JackJones
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    JackJones said

    Dingo79 - if you follow the financial news you will see that banks CAN'T afford to repay the 'unfair' charges. They are currently refilling their reserves because they lost shed loads of money by buying toxic debt.

    The question we all face in the future isn't whether some people should pay for the privilege of having access to bank services, and some people shouldn't. The real question is "how much should we ALL pay"? The world of free banking is over. These are businesses that have to, and will, make a profit. If it isn't from bank charges, it will be from higher interest rates and monthly account fees.

    We have got used over the years to a world in which access to free banking and credit (in the form of overdrafts, loans, credit cards, mortgages) was easy, to the point where people now assume access to credit should be a RIGHT. And banks should give a whole range of services, but not charge for them. But the times they are a changing....

    In the old days you didn't go overdrawn because you bank didn't let you! If you ran out of cash before payday you went to the pawn brokers, and put your mum's engagement ring in there (I know my parents did this enough times). We also had huge charges for when you could get credit in the old days - it was call the Provi, and you paid a fortune in interest for a short-term Provi Order that you could only spend in certain shops.

    Now we are waking up to the realisation that excess debt is bad all round, and we still have too much of it. So stop borrowing, build up some savings, and don't get into debt. It might be painful, you might have to give up your foreign holidays, or mobile phones, or Sky TV, or the second car, or even the Internet. But learn to live within our means we must.

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  • paul64
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    paul64 said

    Dingo79,

    The banks have already lost the "high court case", The "Supreme court" ruling should be decided before christmas, there is no guarantee that it will be before the end of Oct as many had thought, the ruling will be delivered to quote the house of lords "during this term" which ends for the xmas break. Even then dont expect a quick settlement, the OFT then have to rule on the courts findings (they have indicated they will find in favour of the consumer), but this is no cast iron guarantee that they will allow retrospective claims, they may force the banks to change the T and c`s, but may "wipe the slate clean" and allow the banks to keep the charges pre the court "stay", so payouts may be limited to a few years and not the 6-8 that most people are expecting.

    Jack,

    I remember those days too, but if we are to return to days when you saved for something you want, then there needs to be stricter lending controls by the regulators on the banks. I dont remember a high street bank ever writing to my parents and offering a pre approved loan for the equivalent of a years salary, as is current banking practice. You could tell the financially comfortable people on my street in those days, the provi man missed out their houses on his collection day!!

    The world has changed and there has been fault on both sides, but whilst the customers of banks are struggling to cope with the legacy of banking incompetence, the heads of those institutions continue to prosper in a vulgar way whilst holding out their hands for the next handout from you and I in the guise as taxpayers. If it was any other business, it would have gone bust by now, just like woolies and the other high profile victims of this downturn, which has been rightly or wrongly attributed to the banks.

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  • natouille
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    natouille said

    I don't mind banks playing with their own money .... I would call for a separation between Deposit and investment ... This would for sure stop banks to take mickey of us ... With our deposit safe, no need for backing up banks in crisis ... This is waht has happened to Lehman Brother .... If you have clear separation .... Thee were separated until 90's, until the USA changed this ..... Not sure why there is no political pressure for returning to this .... The next crisis is coming and lessons have not been learned ...

    Am I the only one to call for a separation ... I have no problem with Banks investing and having records profits liquidity, as long as we tax payer we are not oliged to pay the bill and having the bank laughing at us ....

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