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The naughty bank trick that may cost you £100

Neil Faulkner
by Lovemoney Staff Neil Faulkner on 13 October 2010  |  Comments 18 comments

1.8 million customers are about to become members of another bank without realising, and it could leave them poorer.

The naughty bank trick that may cost you £100

With all customers from NatWest's Scotland branches and all customers from Royal Bank of Scotland's England and Wales branches automatically being transferred to Santander after a 318-branch buyout forced on the combined Royal Bank of Scotland Group by the European Commission, it might amaze you how little the two companies want to talk about the deal.

Yet Santander doesn't want to talk about it. As far as I can see, its prolific UK press room hasn't written a single press release on it. Royal Bank of Scotland, too, hasn't tried to sell the loss of branches as a positive for the business.

The reason is simple (but the effects on customers aren't – I'll come to that shortly). Customers can choose to remain with Royal Bank of Scotland or NatWest, but they have to contact Santander before being switched in the next 12-18 months. Santander naturally prefers to keep as quiet about that as possible.

Royal Bank of Scotland and NatWest, on the other hand, aren't allowed to do anything to try to keep customers, under the terms of the deal. Hence, if they do try some tricks to keep you, they won't be doing it so obviously through a press release.

All customers must take action

Let's start with current accounts.

Santander's deal for new current-account customers is a £100 joining bonus and 5% interest fixed for a year on positive bank-account balances up to £2,500 with its Preferred In-Credit Rate Account. If you average £1,250 in your account, that'll be about £63 after a year, on top of the £100. This is much better than existing customers will be getting at RBS Group.

However, it's unlikely that former RBS Group current-account customers being shifted to Santander will be given this top deal automatically, because Santander's payments to the potential 1.8m customers would likely be in the hundreds of millions over 12 months. More likely you'll get no joining bonus and zero, or close to zero, interest. That's what RBS Group is paying most of you now, too.

Santander will probably just offer this top deal to the customers who contact it to inform it you don't want to be moved from NatWest or RBS. Then it would pay to get your business. If you're interested in the Santander deal, you'll have to take action yourself and not wait to be moved automatically.

Alternative bank accounts

First Direct, a subsidiary of HSBC, also pays £100 if you switch to its 1st Account. Although it pays no interest, it has a much better reputation for customer service than Santander. Indeed, it is recognised as the best, winning countless awards for its customer service, as detailed in The UK’s favourite bank account.

Find out the trick that all savvy savers know

If you prefer to earn interest and you have some savings, you can get an excellent interest rate of 4% with Lloyds TSB's Classic Account with Vantage if you keep between £5,000 and £7,000 in your account. If your average balance is £6,000 that'll be about £240 at the end of the year.

However, as far as I can see this interest rate could be reduced at any time. If you have that much money and want a more guaranteed way to earn roughly that much over a year, you could get the Santander account and keep it credited up to £2,500 combined with a top savings account with a good guarantee for the excess savings.

To get those benefits in any of these current accounts you need to keep paying in £1,000 each month, or £1,500 in the case of First Direct.

What'll happen to your mortgages?

If you have an introductory or long-term mortgage deal with Royal Bank of Scotland or NatWest, Santander won't be able to change the contract terms for the worse when it takes over. However, customers on standard variable rates could be put on Santander's SVR.

It may be that Royal Bank of Scotland Group will reduce its SVR in order to entice customers to take steps to stay with it. That may even start a price war with Santander. But we're getting ahead of ourselves. It's too early to say what the difference in SVRs will be when the shift occurs.

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At the moment the difference is small, although it could leave you a few hundred pounds poorer a year if you let your mortgage move over to Santander naturally. You might not think much of a couple of hundred in the context of the thousands you pay for your mortgage, but that is a common error. After all, you'd be very pleased if you found £200 in the street, so do you want that £200 or don't you?

As an alternative to either SVR your obvious choice is one of the ultra cheap tracker mortgages out there. Many people are going for two-year fixes, although I feel they're unsuitable for the majority of people. I think you should consider also very long-term fixed-rate mortgages, if it's appropriate for your circumstances. I wrote why they're under-rated in Pay 5% on your mortgage for a decade.

Personal loans

If you have a personal loan from an affected NatWest or RBS branch, it's probably on a fixed interest rate. Santander won't be allowed to increase that if it takes over or make the terms and conditions worse.

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Comments (18)

  • coversure
    Love rating 10
    coversure said

    I have been an RBS current customer since they took over Williams and Glyns over 30 years ago. Generally I am satisfied with their service. Santander customer service is not as good.

    I rang the RBS helpline 0800-210 0214 to ask about staying with them. They will have no branches in England and Wales but I expected some telesales system. No. You have to go to a branch in Scotland to transfer your account.

    I'm actually really annoyed that the EU are forcing me to move my account. How dare they!

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  • fenemore
    Love rating 209
    fenemore said

    I am certainly not stopping with RBS only to get gobbled up by Santander. This wasn't my choice and I bitterly resent it.

    I have already opened up a new account with NatWest which is only a couple of doors down the street from RBS. I have already made a start in transferring everything, but I shouldn't have to jump through these hoops. However I guess if they made it too easy, 99% of RBS customers would jump ship if all it took was a phone call!

    Yes it is a hassle and changing accounts is never as simple as the banks claim so I fully expect something to go awry - but it will have been worth it to avoid the clutches of insidious Santander. Ugh - makes me shudder just thinking about it!

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  • Luniversal
    Love rating 47
    Luniversal said

    It could well be that current account holders are so torpid that they haven't yet heard about Santander's customer service either.

    No doubt Neil knows the stories, but why avoid discussing this vital aspect of whether you should let yourself be 'migrated' or not? Few things in modern life are more apt to drive one crazy than a clumsily run bank account.

    The more branch networks the senors snap up, each with its own way of doing things, the more like a Frankenstein's monster-- badly stitched together and co-ordinated-- their High Street presence appears.

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  • rbgos
    Love rating 81
    rbgos said

    I received a leaflet a couple of months ago informing me of the sale. I'm with an English branch of RBS, but having moved to Scotland several years ago this seemed a good opportunity to switch my account to a local branch. Having been very pleased with RBS's customer service, and read many complaints about Santander, I wasn't going to let my account be switched.

    I called the "customer help" number in the leaflet. It was immediately obvious that the 'phone line wasn't about helping, it was a blatent sales pitch for Santander. The saleswoman did everything possible to pursuade me to allow my account to be moved to Santander, but begrudgingly agreed to send me a form to move my account to another RBS branch when I insisted.

    Form filled and sent off, but I'm told it will be an unspecified number of months before they actually shift my account. Why the delay? How long can it take?

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  • wafu
    Love rating 12
    wafu said

    Everyone seems to have bad ideas about Santander. I for one have been with the Abbey and now Santander for over 20 years and have had nothing but good servce. I also had RBS and Natwest accounts in the past and closed them both down because of VERY BAD customer service (or rather the lack of it!!!!!). Most of my family have now moved to Santander from RBS and have no complaints.

    Despite what statistics may say (and they can lie as described on Lovemoney in the past) I have no grip with Santander. Oh, and no I do not work for them or any other Bank

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  • waggy142
    Love rating 11
    waggy142 said

    How is that so many customers of banks other than Santander know so much about Santander's customer service? I have been a customer of Abbey/Santander, since 1979 and agree with wafu; I have received excellent service throughout. I also don't work for them.

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  • EleanorF
    Love rating 10
    EleanorF said

    My one and only experience of Santander was when trying to transfer a cash ISA and open a new investment one. The person that I dealt with was so rude and unhelpful that I walked out of the branch and never went back. Money now invested with Nationwide and First Direct - much better service.

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  • Anfauglir
    Love rating 8
    Anfauglir said

    "Santander are bad" say Lovemoney.....but it might have more credibility were the story not lying next to an ad from that same bank. Appears you are happy enough to take money from them.....

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  • hippobank
    Love rating 7
    hippobank said

    Ex RBS customer, wasn't happy with them, moved to Santander have nothing but good comments about them so far. Only been with them for 7 months

    hippobank

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    mod on saver scene money savig forum

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  • BenCosin
    Love rating 1
    BenCosin said

    Santander (Abbey section) managed to lose TWO regular savings accounts set up in August 2009, and getting in touch with them is almost impossible. To date RBS have been good to very good, with one exception (application for a defined overdraft facility). Not as good as First Direct, who are a pleasure to do any business with. Fortunately I'm going to Scotland to visit inlaws early November, so I will take relevant action. Also, complain to my MEP and every commissioner whose name I can get hold of. 

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  • stu-b
    Love rating 0
    stu-b said

    If you're with RBS in England and Wales then why not just open an account with Natwest and vice versa with Natwest in Scotland?

    Both companies are part of the same group and rant just as much about their fabulous and local customer service (although this is debatable based upon my own experience with RBS). Simples? 

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  • Jiffybag
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    Jiffybag said

    I too did not want to be forced to have my money managed by Santander primarily because of the many articles on the net in the media about their poor customer service. You have three choices;

    1. Go elsewhere

    2. Open a Natwest bank a/c in England as they are not affected and are part of the RBS group and employ almost the same systems from what I can see.

    3. Open a Scottish RBS account.

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  • clairebabylion
    Love rating 0
    clairebabylion said

    I have most of my banking with RBS and have a small loan with Santander.

    The service I have received from RBS is fantastic and in particular my local branch, which is getting closed down. Not happy.

    I noticed a payment hadn't come out of my account with Santander so I called them and they had had an error and their system hadn't taken my payment.

    I got a letter in the post a few days later from them telling me that I had failed to pay them and it was my fault. Not very good customer service if you ask me. I think I'll be doing some shopping around for a new bank or having a trip to the Scottish boarder to get it transferred there.

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  • purpleamber19
    Love rating 0
    purpleamber19 said

    i had a car loan from santander for 2 years with absolutely no problems. I now also have a credit card from asda which has recently been bought out by santander, again no probs.

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  • Wellsprungalice
    Love rating 20
    Wellsprungalice said

    Santander are fine for routine banking but try getting them to sort out a problem and you're into the Santander-shunt. Like most over-large organisations, the right hand has no idea that there actually is a left hand, never mind what it may be doing. After seven phone shunts and two hang-ups taking more than 4 hours last month, I managed to get a 'suspicious transaction' on an account I didn't own identified as the mistaken reinstatement of a one-time transfer of funds from my dormant Alliance and Leicester account, not used since 2004. Santander need to get their act together if RBS and Nat West customers are not to run for the hills.

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  • Miss Fox
    Love rating 0
    Miss Fox said

    If you go into any Santander branch, you will not get the £100 offer, this ended several weeks ago and is now only available on-line.

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  • The Bank Manager
    Love rating 74
    The Bank Manager said

    coversure - Word on the street is that there may be one or two English based branches left out of the deal and one could be the well established office called Drummonds at Trafalgar Square/Charing Cross Road?

    You can ask. What can you lose?

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  • QUEENSMAN
    Love rating 0
    QUEENSMAN said

    why cant the eu include us out of their stupid ideas?

    you can get more sense out of the inhabitants of the port of santander than out of the bank with the same name

    my partner has a debenhams card which they have now taken over and every month its a phone call to correct THEIR STUPID MISTAKE & thats after being xferred from person to person because "I DONT DEAL WITH THIS PROBLEM" & ITS AN 0845 CALL

    we got rid of it as the hassle of having to correct it far outweighed the convienence of having it

    ANYONE WHO MAINTAINS SANTAANDER IS GOOD NEEDS THEIR HEAD EXAMINED

    AS FOR THE ABBEY XFER THAT WAS HORRENDOUS

    SANTANDER HUH MAYBE THEY SHOULD GO BACK TO SANTANDER AND PLAY SANDCASTLES ON THE BEACH

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