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RBS customers banned from rival ATMs

Robert Powell
by Lovemoney Staff Robert Powell on 24 August 2011  |  Comments 39 comments

If you hold an RBS or NatWest current account, you could see the number of cash machines that you are able to use slashed over the next two months...

RBS customers banned from rival ATMs

As far as money myths go, the cash machine noise story is a good one.

The tale first appeared on a design website back in June and claimed that the ‘whirring’ noise made by automatic teller machines (ATMs) before they dispense cash is actually fake. Yes, according to Humans Invent the sound is generated by speaker to reassure the customer that their money is on the way.

However the claim was quickly discredited when several ATM engineers replied to the article and rubbished the story.

The site is now attempting to confirm if the motors inside ATMs are tuned to make a certain sound when dispensing cash. But whatever the truth in this tall tale (very little, I would wager), it’s undeniable that ATMs play an important part in most people’s financial lives. Which is why RBS’s recent announcement concerning them should be of prime concern to the bank’s customers...

Punishing the poorest

Royal Bank of Scotland (RBS) is to ban basic current account customers from using cash machines owned by rival banks. The change will also affect holders of no-frills banks accounts with NatWest, a subsidiary of RBS.

Basic bank accounts are intended for financially vulnerable people with low incomes and patchy credit scores. Banks began introducing them in the last decade after considerable pressure from the government. They do not offer overdrafts or in-credit interest but play a vital role for many people who would otherwise not be eligible for a bank account.

Rachel Robson reveals some top tips for switching current accounts.

New RBS basic account customers are already barred from using rival ATMs. The ban for existing customers will come into force over the next few months.

The bank – whose parent company, the RBS group, is 84% owned by the government – has said that customers will still be able to use nearly 20,000 machines. Basic current account customers will only be able to withdraw cash from RBS, NatWest, Tesco or Morrisons ATMs or over the counter at the Post Office.

Rural customers with few cash machines nearby could be hit especially hard by the change.

ATM fees

RBS blamed the ban on the charges levied on them by the ATMs of rival banks. As we reported last year in How ATMs make money, cash machines charge card issuers a fee every time a customer uses their outlet.

The bank says that as it already runs basic accounts at a loss, it is unsustainable to keep offering ATM services with rival branches.

Lloyds TSB already restricts basic account customers from using ATMs it terms as ‘away’, while other banks have placed restrictions on the in-branch services available with no-frills accounts. Nationwide cashcard holders have to withdraw a minimum of £100 when they use counter services, while HSBC basic account customers cannot make cash withdrawals over the counter.

The change by RBS has also fuelled fears of a surge in independent machines that hit every customer with fees.

So what can you do if you find your ATM access cut-off over the next few months?

Switch out

A simple solution is to switch accounts. Many other banks offer basic accounts and – as I mentioned above, with the exception of Lloyds TSB – most will still allow you to withdraw cash from rival ATMs.

Here are a few of them:

Account

Interest (AER)

Overdraft

Santander Everyday Account

0%

Free arranged for 4 months when you switch to Santander

Barclays Basic Account

0%

On application – 19.3% interest pa

HSBC Basic Account

0%

On application – 19.9% interest pa

Nationwide Cash Card

0%

Not available

Obviously if you apply for an overdraft on a basic account, the bank will look into your credit history to decide whether to grant you this facility or not. And even then, the level of borrowing you will be offered will depend on your financial situation.

Alternatively, if you’ve managed to improve your credit history you may want to think about upgrading from a basic bank account to a deal that pays interest on your balance or offers a 0% overdraft. Although if you are planning on following this route, it’s a good idea to check your credit history before you start applying for accounts. Head over to our credit report centre to get a free report through Credit Expert – just make sure you cancel the service before the free trial period ends.

Here are some of the best current accounts around at the moment across the market:

Account

Interest (AER)

Overdraft

Need to know

Santander Preferred Account (£100 cashback when you switch)

5.0% for 12 months on balances up to £2,500 (1% after)

0% for 12 months (matched to previous OD up to £5,000 depending on circumstances)

Must pay in £1,000 per month and have at least two active direct debits/standing orders and use switching service to claim all the perks

Halifax Reward Account

£5 per month cashback

£1 per day (planned up to £2,500)

£2 per day (planned £2,500+)

£5 per day (unplanned)

Must pay in £1,000 per month

Co-operative Current Account Plus

0%

£200 at 0% or 15.9%

Must pay in £800 per month

Nationwide BS FlexAccount

0%

18.9%

 

Lloyds TSB Vantage

1.50% (£1+)

2% (£1,000+)

3% (£3,000 to £5,000)

£10 at 0%

Must pay in £1,000 per month

First Direct 1st Account

0% (£100 cashback and £100 if you leave within six months)

£250 at 0% or 15.9%

Must pay in £1,500 per month

As you can see, there are some good deals out there. But to get the very best interest rates and 0% overdraft lengths you will need to jump through a few funding hoops. The Santander Preferred Account obviously offers the best interest rate – paying out at 5% on balances up to £2,500. However as far as customer service goes, the Spanish bank’s record is chequered to say the least.

If you’re after top customer service you’d be better off plumping for either the Co-operative account or First Direct’s 1st Account – two banks with sparkling service histories. Halifax’s Reward Account is also a good bet if you’re not after an overdraft and can pay in at least £1,000 per month as you’ll receive £5 cashback every month.

And finally, before you take out any new current account make sure you take a look at this article and steer clear of The five biggest current account traps.

Is this fair?

What do you think of the RBS change? Should banks be able to charge you for withdrawing your own cash?

Have your say using the comment box below.

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Comments (39)

  • Barb_Dwyer
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    Barb_Dwyer said

    RBS/Natwest are a rubbish company & bank run by too many winkers! I moved to Barclay's have never regretted it!

    They are slowly sinking down the pan!

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  • oldhenry
    Love rating 267
    oldhenry said

    Some one has to pay Fred Goodwin's pension don't they?

    Just get cash back at a shop and ignore the rubbush banks that have brought our economy to its knees. The banks have no scuples at all as they rely of tax payers to keep their bonus payments rolling.

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  • XrayEye
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    XrayEye said

    I'm guessing this is the start of a contrived action between the banks so they can all charge us for using each others ATMs again.

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  • fortitude24
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    fortitude24 said

    A bit drastic to advise people to switch accounts isnt it? RBS/Natwest and also Lloyds have significant numbers of ATM's and surely other banks will follow this example.

    Switching surely is not the answer:-

    1. Use your own Banks ATM

    2. Yes, use cash back

    3. Use Debit cards if necessary

    4. Get a 0 charge credit card and if you have a good rating get 0% on purchases for 18 months

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  • PDB11
    Love rating 72
    PDB11 said

    This has to be a step backwards! When I got my first cash card, twenty-something years ago, there were the two big high street cash machine networks - Barcloyds and Midwest - and Link was just coming in for the building societies.

    Soon after that, a great innovation - you could use your card abroad! I had to phone Natwest (where I banked at the time) to find out which banks accepted it, and trudge half way across Taipei to find a branch.

    But isn't this over now? Don't we have free interchange of cash cards? Surely if a bank bans its customers from using other banks' machines, the other banks will retaliate by banning their own customers from the first bank's machines. Maybe it did cost a lot, but they've just lost some income too...

    I'm about to spend some time in Germany on business. They seem to be ten or fifteen years behind us - the only bank I've found that will give me an account without bank charges belongs to a very small cash machine network. I'd do everything on my "My Travel Cash" card (which I discovered here - well done LoveMoney!) except I think I'll need to be able to pay for my train season ticket by direct debit.

    As a colleague used to say when we were being privatised a few years ago, "Oh, no! Not another improvement!"

    PS My theory of banking: the bank wants you to have a large balance. They don't much care whether it's positive or negative...

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  • safetylady
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    safetylady said

    If RBS blame the changes on charges from rival bank ATM's presumably they are recharging the other banks too? So if the rest of us stop using RBOS and NatWest cash machines presumably their income would take a dive - I am so fed up of subsidising bankers!

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  • nickpike
    Love rating 270
    nickpike said

    Why do people bank with RBS? Surely they're at risk. This ATM thing tends to suggest they're a bit hard up.

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  • peterey78
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    peterey78 said

    All banks are in it together, just another money making exercise to charge for the privilege to draw your own money, whatever next

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  • metabelis
    Love rating 21
    metabelis said

    Not sure how they can be running basic accounts at a loss when they don't apply interest. The cash in these accounts, though individually small amounts, still collectively earns interest for the bank.

    Put simply, banks don't want people with a dodgy credit history because they can't sell them any further products and make profits for themselves. Therefore, they make the basic accounts as unattractive as possible.

    This, I think, is an unacceptable prejudice against those with a chequered financial history - which can happen to anybody for any number of reasons. While it's reasonable not to offer credit, I can't think of any reason why they should be discriminated against in any other area of their lives - whether it involves getting cash from an ATM or getting a job.

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  • sheff-spud
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    sheff-spud said

    Hmm i don't think switching in this case is the best option either.

    First of all if Lloyds and RBS/NatWest have done this then the other big players are bound to follow. I guess some of the smaller providers like Co-op Bank and Nationwide might not opt for this route though as their networks of ATMs are small compared to the big banks.

    Secondly in the case of RBS/NatWest that's still a lot of ATMs with free access. The fact that it includes machines at Tesco (which seem to be opening on every street corner) and also includes over the counter use at the Post Office then surely no-one is that far from an RBS/NatWest/Tesco/PO facility? With a bit of thought there should be no need to struggle to find one.

    Thirdly about the interchange fee. If basic bank accounts cost the bank too much to offer free ATM withdrawals at other banks then why not introduce a fee to cover the cost. I'm not talking about the same level of fee the independent ATM owners levy which is well above the actual cost. I'm thinking more like 50p for each withdrawal at a competitors machine and free at your own bank?

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  • electricblue
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    electricblue said

    Fee in other banks' machines is generally the way it works in the USA and I think is a reasonable way to cover costs. I'm not generally too fond of banks but some of you are in cloud cuckoo land with your expectations. I don't see how with all the admin costs that the collective small accounts can enable banks to make a profit on these basic accounts.

    As far as any of these banks being 'at risk' - get a life for goodness sake! There are enough guarantees in place and it is hardly likely that (mostly) state-owned banks in the UK could be anything other than the SAFEST places for your money.

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  • metabelis
    Love rating 21
    metabelis said

    @electricblue - If you think that that admin costs to run a bank account are anything other than minimal, then you are living in cloud cuckoo land. Banks already pass them on (at an exorbitant rate) to all customers when required - not just basic account holders. Computers pretty much run all bank accounts by themselves at minimum price other than the cost to run the computer itself, which again applies to all customers, not just basic account holders. A bank account is just data on a hard drive after all, no matter what type of account is held.

    I stand by what I said - that banks treat customers with poor financial history badly because they are not able to exploit them for further profit by offering them further credit opportunities.

    This is a similar state of affairs to holders of the "Egg" credit card a few years ago. Those who dutifully paid their balance in full each and every month were defined by Egg as "risky customers", because Egg were denied the opportunity to make a profit from them.

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  • shortchanged
    Love rating 17
    shortchanged said

    I still don't think it fair that so many banks have such high minimum monthly payments. I never earned £1000 and rarely could pay in £800 even when working full-time, but I have the same need as everyone else for an overdraft and all the usual direct debits. This is penalising people in rural areas where the hourly payrate is so much lower, even if one is in a 'well-paid' position.

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  • Mike10613
    Love rating 600
    Mike10613 said

    If RBS customers are prevented from making withdrawals at other banks they will leave in droves; no wonder their share price is dropping like a brick. It's fashionable to kick the poorest in society; Cameron will love them for it.

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  • killick_becki
    Love rating 58
    killick_becki said

    shortchanged - it isn't just those who dont' earn enough to qualify that are short changed. Those of us who get paid quarterly don't fit into their monthly model either. For example, Nationwide flex account gives free european travel insurance to those who deposit £x a month. For those of us who deposit more than £3x every 3 months, sadly we don't qualify for these benefits!

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  • hopefultom
    Love rating 43
    hopefultom said

    METABELIS

    Totally agree with your comments.

    As Martin Lewis says " the banks and credit card providers are not you friends"

    You owe them neither trust nor loyalty.

    ELECTRICBLUE

    It's a funny old world where someone is proposing British banks as a safe haven, in view of recent events.Don't forget that this government is committed to disposing of our stakeholding at the earliest opportunity ( probably at a massive loss )

    Whither then?

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  • electricblue
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    electricblue said

    Admin costs for basic bank accounts still include printed statements where asked for, as well as the ability to use cash machines worldwide and telephone support. Anyone who thinks that the costs of operating these to the banks is just a few numbers in a computer is a moron. Basic bank accounts operate with NO fees. People want something for nothing and banks do not have a duty to subsidise anyone, nor are they some kind of charity which any of us have the right to use. When it comes to the crunch it was the people who borrowed irresponsibly who created all the financial problems and not the banks who were merely buoyed along on the same fictional boom which governments worldwide were keen to present as unstoppable. If you took all the salaries and bonuses paid out by the banks they would not buy everyone in the country a fish and chip supper. I too regard many of the bank executives as amoral scum, but you can pillory them as much as you like - it still does not get to the heart of what is wrong with our society. Teenagers think they are on the poverty line if the don't have smartphones to Tweet and Facebook their moronic lives. Until society gets back to reasonable expectation of work vs. reward we are still on a downward path. You can make the rich as poor as you like, but unless the whining masses get off their lazy backsides it will not improve their own standard of living one jot.

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  • safetylady
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    safetylady said

    Interesting that no banks are rushing to ensure same day transfers though - when I pay out online it leaves my account immediately, but still takes 3 - 5 working days to get to the payee; so the money is in limbo during that time - - presumably the banks get the interest on that money? Some banks abroad do same day/next day transfers, but then that would reduce the bank's incomes presumably....

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  • culluding-fool
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    culluding-fool said

    @electricblue; "When it comes to the crunch it was the people who borrowed irresponsibly who created all the financial problems and not the banks"

    I think that is putting it too simply. Yes, there are people out to rip off the system & I personally know somebody who has already bankrupt two companies at great profit to himself, and I know there's not a lot the bank can do in a bankruptcy situation other than writing off the debt at the cost to other account holders. There are also a lot of people who know very little about how the financial system work and often don't do well handling their own finances which leads to them needing a loan at some stage. I was married to somebody like this and when she struggled to pay off that loan she would get another loan to pay off other loans because that is the way they were advertised. I don't blame her for taking "advice" from these loan companies because I know that she didn't know better. The loaning companies should have looked deeper into her (non) ability to pay. It's not like she was keeping secret the fact that she couldn't pay off her other loans. It eventually got totally out of control with the last company to pay of her previous loans losing out about £30 000. That loan seems to have been sold to one of the many debt collecting companies, allowing my now ex wife to take out a new loan with the company she owes so much money to!

    I think we should incorporate the same system I grew up with in South Africa where if you don't pay off your loans you will be hunted down and have property & possessions removed until the debt is paid off. People will take loans a lot more seriously then.

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  • culluding-fool
    Love rating 49
    culluding-fool said

    @safteylady; "when I pay out online it leaves my account immediately, but still takes 3 - 5 working days to get to the payee"

    I thought that system was outlawed years ago. That used to be the case but transfers I do now are very much instant with the banks I use. Which bank do you use?

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  • culluding-fool
    Love rating 49
    culluding-fool said

    @sheff-spud; "Secondly in the case of RBS/NatWest that's still a lot of ATMs with free access. The fact that it includes machines at Tesco (which seem to be opening on every street corner) and also includes over the counter use at the Post Office then surely no-one is that far from an RBS/NatWest/Tesco/PO facility? With a bit of thought there should be no need to struggle to find one. "

    If I can only draw money from those outlets then I would rather close my Natwest account than have to travel ten miles on the bus for £5.00 just to draw out the odd tenner when the local Post Office is closed. Tesco is about twelve miles away. This is going backwards to the old days when I had to carry wads of cash in my wallet in case I needed money when the banks were closed!

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  • marktheadvisor
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    marktheadvisor said

    Don;t forget if UR switching that Nationwide offer free travel insurance with their flexaccount :)

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  • metabelis
    Love rating 21
    metabelis said

    @electricblue - The admin cost printed on the statement is not the cost to the bank, it is the cost to the consumer. Furthermore, the cost is not calculated on a per account basis - that would be ridiculous. The cost of running the computers / IT staff / ATM machines / whatever else, divided by the number of accounts, is pennies - perhaps even fractions of pennies. As an ex-member of the RBS IT staff, I'm well aware of how much it costs.

    Furthermore, the bank does make money on all of the accounts, basic and otherwise, by creaming off some or all of the interest - certainly enough to cover the cost of running the accounts.

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  • philgsmith
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    philgsmith said

    I've just discovered this by trying to use the ATM at HSBC. No one from the bank told me!

    ATMs, Electronic banking and on line payments are the way money is driven today, yet the banking approach is based on the situation from the last century, not dealing with issues many people and businesses face today in managing their money. Management of Direct Debits and other auomated payments has to become real time if people on low or variable incomes are to be able to control their finances.

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  • electricblue
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    electricblue said

    Just because someone has been involved with the IT department it does not give them any insight into the fundamentals of business overheads. I pay no admin costs or fees on a couple of the 'basic' accounts which I have. Those accounts must clearly have infrastructure costs subsidised by other services which the banks offer. Coming up with yet another excuse for those on a low income messing up their finances is becoming laughable. We need to teach financial responsibility in schools and stop blaming the situation of those who have less at every level on those who have more.

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  • JamesXXX
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    JamesXXX said

    Use the cashback services in your supermarket!

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  • easygoing
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    easygoing said

    electricblue - do you think you insulting language and calling people morons actually helps your case. Have you tried reasoned argument?

    Your language and attitude reduce the validity of your argument and just shows how degenerate we have become as a nation.

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  • dedlok74
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    dedlok74 said

    I`m a basic account customer at Lloyds and I don`t seem to get charged when I use ATM`s that aint their own

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  • electricblue
    Love rating 643
    electricblue said

    You think some of those commenting on here are capable of a reasoned argument? It's about time that we had people making educated and objective comment rather than from their own selfish viewpoint. Make sure the fence post doesn't get stuck up your rear, Easygoing. Those of us with many years experience running businesses and creating wealth have more right to strong views than those on here who always want something for nothing.

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  • hopefultom
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    hopefultom said

    ELECTRICBLUE

    How on Earth can you ration out " strong views " ?

    Surely every voice on the debating floor should be heard, no matter how wrong we may think it is.

    It is only by hearing a different point of view that we are able to re-visit and review our own, so as to progress in life,rather than get stuck in the mud.

    have a nice weekend!

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  • easygoing
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    easygoing said

    Electricblue I rest my case. I have proven my point, or rather you have. Who says that I haven't had similar experience to you? Listen carefully , YOU do not have any more rights than other contributors on here and your arrogance is appalling.

    Also I don't sit on the fence as you put it with your characteristic eloquence, in fact I have very definite views on why this country is in the mess it is in, a mess for which almost everyone has to take some blame.

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  • uutasyw
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    uutasyw said

    Absolutely no surprise that this change is occurring as well as other changes that we will see as banking changes in the UK.

    We have seen UK banks be lambasted over the last decade or so for the money they make from people that use/exceed their overdraft limits or miss-manage their finances in other ways.

    As banks, like every other business, look to maintain and increase their profits they have started the steady change of how their customers pay for the services they provide.

    I expect that in future years, those that manage their money effectively, will look back and realize what a golden age we had for a time with free banking.

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  • MK22
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    MK22 said

    I've come late to this discussion, but the first poster said that they had moved to Barclays and had had no problems since moving. They are clearly a rarity as I've had nothing BUT problems with Barclays and am in the process of moving away from them as I no longer have sufficient hair left to pull at at their incompetence!

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  • dmhzx
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    dmhzx said

    The two banks whao have stopped this are fundamentally governement ownde, and fundamentally following government guidlins to take advantage of those least able to defend themselves. It happens all the way from travel cost to the very aptly name Criminal Justice System - As a justice system it's criminal.

    And in line with other government envy practices couterproductive. The banks charge each other when a non customer uses one of their machines, and the net result is as near to nothing as makes no difference.

    This is just another penny pinching rip off. They're al at it in their own ways.

    Santander have just increased my arranged overdraft costs by a factor of 100. - Yes a tiny month end blip, caused by direct debits leaving two days early, and ther electronic payment system stealing my money for three days has resulted in charges going up from what used to be 13p to £1.50.

    And I still don't uderstand how RBS can make a huge loss and stil pay billions in bonuses.

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  • rippedoffslolwly
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    rippedoffslolwly said

    I put a big chunk of my savings into an ISA with the Nationwide at Swindon, and assumed, very trustingly, they would pay me a fair, going rate. Silly me. Over three years it has cost me about two grand in lost interest, paying a quarter of 1% of a peanut...or something like that, I'm not very good at maths (just a poor SEO website/blog writer-promoter) But I can count - it should have paid about 12 times the amount. I wrote to the Nationwide Building Society CEO, a Mr Beale, in June and I´m still waiting for a proper sensible, non-bureaucratic reply. He just passed my grievance to an army of word processing operatives and complaints forms issuers. After much chasing up by email they eventualy sent out their stored standard letter (by post would you believe?) I'm told the onus is on me to check what I'm getting - and no way could they have NOT noticed a very large sum of money (18 grand) sitting there in the wrong account. I don´t believe what they say now, because one thing banks are certainly good at, it´s looking at ... an ISA with the Nationwide at Swindon, and assumed, very trustingly, they would pay me a fair, going rate. Silly me. Over three years it has cost me about two grand in lost interest, paying a quarter of 1% of a peanut...or something like that, I'm not very good at maths (just a poor SEO website/blog writer-promoter) But I can count - it should have paid about 12 times the amount. I wrote to the Nationwide Building Society CEO, a Mr Beale, in June and I´m still waiting for a proper sensible, non-bureaucratic reply. He just passed my grievance to an army of word processing operatives and complaints forms issuers. After much chasing up by email they eventualy sent out their stored standard letter (by post would you believe?) I'm told the onus is on me to check what I'm getting - and no way could they have NOT noticed a very large sum of money (18 grand) sitting there in the wrong account. I don´t believe what they say now, because one thing banks are certainly good at, it´s looking at what they are making for themselves. This bank sat on my cash and have pocketed themselves the true market rate it earned. Writing my tale here, maybe little me will get the right attention now and a proper reply. Banks and financial places should be aiming - after the big mess they have go themselves in to in recent years - TO LOOK AFTER THEIR CUSTOMERS! Watch this space for a happy ending or .. a link to my forthcoming ´Peanuts%' blog. Any contributions or comments welcome - betlyshow@yahoo.co.uk

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  • keirfamily
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    keirfamily said

    dmhzx, you've nearly sussed it - the banks are not there for their customers, or for their shareholders, or even for the government - they are designed and working very effectively to make money for their top staff, and for no-one else.

    Don't take it out on the PBI behind the cash desk, they have no control over bank decisions, they're just pressurised to sign as many punters up as they can for whatever rip-off is the flavour of the month. It's rather like the drugs gangs - most of the pushers are poor as church mice and living with their parents, while a few - usually self-selected by their ruthlessness and total lack of morals - scramble to the top and wallow in horse-choking wodges of undeserved money.

    Focus on the fact that banks are there to make money - off you - and you've got it. "Looking after the customers" never was, and never will be, their task; it's up to the customers to look after each other - and themselves. The banks are totally out of control.

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  • ronat42
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    ronat42 said

    I do sympathise with rippedoffslowly but I have to say that he seems to have taken his eye of the ball. I transferred all of my ISAs to Nationwide some time ago and have them in 2 and 3 year bonds. The lowest interest I have had is 3.5% which compares favourably with the best of the rest. However, it does all depend on being able to commit to a 2 or 3 year period so, in that case I agree with every word he wrote. Nationwide is not alone in this as just about every bank and building society works on the same basis. All of my other accounts are with Barclays and, contrary to many other comments, I have always found them to be very reasonable and they have on several occasions contacted me to suggest that I should move funds to other accounts offering better interest.However, they have nothing to offer which competes with Nationwide.

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  • lallum
    Love rating 2
    lallum said

    I have banked with nat West for 30 years. There is not a branch in the town where I live but this has not been a problem. When my daughter started her part time job, she was paid by cheque. She is at school so I was able to arrange for them to open a basic bank account for her. Now, it would appear, she can't get her money out of the bank! I travel 40 miles each week to bank the money with parking hassle involved. I know it is a detour on a regular journey but I thought it would help if she banked at the same bank as me in terms of assisting her if she needed a mortgage etc, etc in later life. This is a very poor decision on their part as I am likely to go elsewhere taking my current account, ISA, deposit account and credit card elsewhere! Stupid bankers!

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  • mandak13
    Love rating 2
    mandak13 said

    I don't understand the fuss to be honest. If you choose a bank that doesn't offer you all the services you want, then switch. Several alternatives have already been suggested for accessing cash in lieu of the appropriate ATM as an alternative to switching. So make your choice! In Europe, all transactions on accounts carry a fee, paying a direct debit, using a debit card, drawing from an ATM, carrying out a transfer...the bank levies a fee for the service. After all, that's what they're providing every time you carry out a transcation, its a service. We get off light in the UK by comparison. I certainly wouldn't be suprised if I enter Tesco's and they expect me to pay for a product or service, it's how business works! I also have the choice to shop elsewhere for a better price. It would appear banks are damned if they make a profit and damned if they don't. Quite frankly, I'd rather bank with a strong (self-funded, not Government supported) institution which makes a profit - profit means they will be around long after others have hit the wall, they'll most likely be at the cutting-edge of new developments which as a customer, I'll be able to take advantage of, they're also more likely to be able to offer me more competitive rates on my savings or mortgage if they themselves are in a strong position. And when did it become the banks' responsibility to hold your hand and point you in the right direction for their best rates "rippedoffslowly"? Whenever I visit my bank, their products are all over the place, leaflets, posters, staff to ask, in fact the staff often offer info to me! They even publish their rates in the financial press and provide T & C's with every account I've ever opened. People take no responsibility for managing their own affairs anymore. If I want the best rate, I look for it or ask the staff and I make sure I know when my promotional interest rates end so I can review and move as necessary. As per my previous example, Tesco's don't tell me that Asda's groceries may be cheaper when I buy, it's up to me to check! When did it become someone else's job to find me the best deal? Oh, wait, that service is available, it'd be through a financial manager or broker and you'd have to pay for it!! Suprisingly, considering my views, I don't work for a bank, I run my own business, reading this, I'm relieved I don't - there's certainly no pleasing some people!

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