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Santander to penalise disloyal customers

Robert Powell
by Lovemoney Staff Robert Powell on 31 January 2011  |  Comments 36 comments

Robert Powell takes a look at whether Santander's new overdraft charges are really as clear and transparent as the Spanish giant claims they are...

Santander to penalise disloyal customers

Santander has been something of a financial Jekyll and Hyde recently. lovemoney.com readers have frequently put the boot into the Spanish bank on our comment boards for their poor customer service, and after reading some of the horror stories they’ve shared, I don’t blame them!

Yet Santander has kept hitting back by offering competitive interest rates and tasty overdraft deals all supplemented by their seemingly eternal £100 cashback back offer. The Preferred In-Credit and Preferred Overdraft accounts have been particular favourites here at lovemoney.com for these very reasons!

But on 16 March 2011, things are going to change as Santander will be carrying out an overdraft overhaul.

So ahead of these changes, I’m going to take a look at the new fees structure and what it may mean for you.

The changes

Santander’s current account overdrafts (for monthly fee-free accounts) have generally always been charged on a percentage basis – the more of your overdraft you use, the more you pay.

The new system will get rid of this for all accounts except the Zero Current Account – which will remain unchanged.

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The new fees structure will charge you a flat rate for every day you remain in the red, up to a monthly maximum. The good news is – unlike many of the accounts John Fitzsimons looked at in The overdraft scandal – you will only pay a daily fee for using your overdraft, so no interest will be charged on top of this.

Santander is introducing three tiers of charges that are designed to reward customers who are loyal to the bank:

Tier 1 – Customers who hold a mortgage, investment or £10,000 of savings with Santander.

Tier 2 – Customers who pay in at least £1,000 per month into their account as well as customers with added value accounts (premium or reward accounts).

Tier 3 – Customers who don’t pay £1,000 into their Santander account and do not hold an added value account.

And these are the fees for all the various tiers and accounts:

Tier

Account (including Alliance & Leicester)

Daily arranged overdraft fees

Daily unarranged overdraft fees

Paid item fees

Unpaid item fees

Overdraft interest rate

1

Zero

£0

£0

£0

£0

12.9%

2

Reward, Travel, Family, Premier 50 and Premier 21 Current Accounts

50p per day (cap 10 days per month)

£5 per day (cap 10 days per month)

£5

£10

N/A

2

Premium, Student and Graduate Accounts

£0

£5 per day (cap 10 days per month)

£5

£10

N/A

2

Choice

50p per day (cap 10 days per month)

£5 per day (cap 10 days per month)

£0

£0

N/A

3

Preferred Overdraft

50p per day (cap 15 days per month)

£5 per day (cap 20 days per month)

£25

£25

N/A

3

Preferred In Credit, Premier Direct, Premier and Current Account

50p per day (cap 20 days per month)

£5 per day (cap 20 days per month)

£25

£25

N/A

  -

Basic Account, Instant Plus Account, International Student Account

N/A

N/A

N/A

£25

N/A

As you can see, the overdraft charges remain the same throughout tiers 2 and 3, with the cap changing from 10 days per month for tier 2 and 20 days per month for tier 3.

If you currently use the Preferred Overdraft Account you will still get 0% on your arranged overdraft until the end of the 12 months promotional period. But after this the account will revert to a 50p per day overdraft charge with a 15 day per month cap, instead of the 12.9% interest rate that it would have previously reverted to.

By my calculations this means that if you’re regularly over £700 in the red on your Preferred Overdraft Account (and the 12 month 0% deal has expired), you’ll now be better off under the new fees structure.

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More accounts!

As well as restructuring their overdraft fees Santander is also throwing two new current accounts into the mix. These accounts will come in within the next month and shortly after their release the Preferred In-Credit and Preferred Overdraft accounts will go off-sale for new customers.

But these new accounts are both still fairly cloak and dagger. All Santander has said is that there will be one ‘preferential account’ which will adopt the tier 2 overdraft structure, as well as offering no fees or interest on arranged overdrafts for the first 12 months. The account is available to new and existing customers, but they will need to pay £1,000 in each month.

This new account is effectively the Preferred Overdraft Account, just with a permanently lower unarranged overdraft cap and a lower arranged cap after the 12 months of free overdraft run out.  

So if you have come to the end of the 12 month free overdraft deal on the Preferred Overdraft Account, and you pay at least £1,000 in every month – you’re best off changing to this new account and getting another free overdraft for 12 months! Whether Santander will let you do this however, is yet to be seen.

If you currently have the Preferred In-Credit Account and pay £1,000 into the account every month you’ll also be eligible to switch to the new preferential account. Santander hasn’t confirmed what the in-credit interest rate will be on this new account but say it will be “competitive”.

In addition to this account, Santander is also introducing a new basic option aimed at people who don’t use Santander as their main bank. But details of this new account haven’t been made public yet.

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A good idea?

This overdraft overhaul is Santander back in full Jekyll and Hyde mode.

On paper the new fees structure does look fairly simple – three tiers, straight fees, monthly caps and low rates – easy! But in practice the implementation of these changes could cause Santander customers and staff a major headache; especially if the appalling customer service we reported on in Can Santander sort itself out? materialises again.

For example, customers on the Preferred Overdraft Account may find it odd that they have to change accounts in order to receive Preferential overdraft charges.

Account switchers will also have to use Santander’s ‘simple and straightforward’ switching service to take advantage of the new rates. But if lovemoney.com reader wetrwer’s experience is anything to go by, this service is anything but simple and straightforward!

This new fees structure is designed to penalise disloyal customers. But I can’t help thinking it’s actually Santander who may end up losing out if its customers' loyalty begins to erode as a result of these changes.

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  • missflea
    Love rating 7
    missflea said

    I've been with A&L for years who have always done the 50p a day fee for arranged overdrafts. It may be a bit pricey if you only go a little bit overdrawn but at least you know exactly what you're going to have to pay.

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  • windlesham1
    Love rating 14
    windlesham1 said

    I am disgusted with Satan-dare and their harassment of customers. How many people know about their less salubrious credit operations? Allegedly

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  • isobelsgrandma
    Love rating 35
    isobelsgrandma said

    I'm confused. I've had a Premier Direct account with Santander (A&L) for several years and the straight 50p per day, capped at 10 per month, has been in place for some time so is it doubling? Also I thought that you had to pay in £1000 per month to hold a Premier Direct a/c (on which basis it would be in Tier 2) which is why I'm confused as you've placed it in Tier 3.

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  • thacky
    Love rating 3
    thacky said

    I have closed my Alliance & Leicester/Santander account and opened one with First Direct, mainly because the staff at my local latter are far more user friendly, than those at A&L (apart from one!)

    And like your other feedback people I couldnt get any sensible info about their various a/cs interest etc including the one I held

    shorty

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  • greyconsumer
    Love rating 1
    greyconsumer said

    I am fairly sure that Santander is making things more complicated as they know it will confuse some customers who will then inadvertently incur more fees than they would otherwise have done. I would recommend anyone with a Santander account to switch to another bank/building society as I have done. My wife and I banked with Abbey for many years and service levels have been on the slide since Santander took the Abbey over. I won't bore you with the problems we have had with mistakes in our current account but suffice to say that we spent may hours unsuccessfully trying to sort them out both with the Asian call centre and on the phone. The employees in the branches do their best but just do not seem unable to sort out anything but just pass you on to a phone number. I have even seen a customer literally reduced to tears in our local branch in Eastcote, Middlesex owing to charges she did not understand which had been imposed on her account. Now we have changed to the Nationwide Building Society current account we have not had a single problem and it is like a breath of fresh air.

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  • straightseer
    Love rating 3
    straightseer said

    If you've never banked with this group before and you are tempted by any of their offerings, just a word....

    Over some time in business, I have accumulated accounts with every major banking group as well as some of the smaller outfits. I take pitiful service in my stride, almost as a rite of passage; but, oh boy, no-one ever came close to this bunch for sheer bloody-minded, jaw-dropping, alopecia-inducing direness.

    If they were offering 10% interest, I still wouldn't go back. If you DO open an account with them, print out my little billet-doux and refer to it wistfully in a year's time. From inside your padded cell.

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  • pyeman71
    Love rating 2
    pyeman71 said

    This bank has come bottom of a number of polls especially when it comes to do with customer service.

    I held a credit card, business account, current account, and ISA's with these muppets. Each one of these accounts they managed to cock up in one way or another. Apart from the business account as I held back from transfering accross thank god.

    Hours spent on the phone, numerous visits into my not so local branch. Be warned anyone looking to join this bank. They had me pulling my hair out on many occasions, you have no idea how angry they made me. I have since emptied all my accounts and am glad to be rid of them.

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  • Muggins
    Love rating 0
    Muggins said

    Zero account looks fine but why will Santander not recognise an Alliance & Leicester Mortgage as a qualifying investment?

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  • lazban
    Love rating 5
    lazban said

    Why, oh why, does anyone bank with Santander and more importantly why do newspapers keep telling everyone how good there current account is.

    Do the sensible thing and go to First Direct.

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  • fenemore
    Love rating 209
    fenemore said

    Anyone who gets into bed with Pedro deserves everything they get. It is absolutely the worst bank in living memory to ever disfigure our High Streets.

    What amazes me is that the Bank itself doesn't care about the strength of feeling against it. Must be all that sun back home - makes them thick skinned!

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  • se1jcs
    Love rating 0
    se1jcs said

    It is the worst bank going, I'm just about to close mine. We used it as a spare bank account and it went £2.38 overdrawn without knowing although we have internet banking they didn't inform us so when i casually checked the account it was £56 overdrawn so I repaid that and thought nothing more of it. I casually checked my account again last week and it was £95 overdrawn they must have added more intrest on and not told us so we were getting charged again. I have left extra money in this month so it doesn't happen again but why didn't they email us like our other banks. 

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  • sodit
    Love rating 128
    sodit said

    I think that daily charges are disgusting. You should only pay for what you borrow. If the interest rate is high 25% pa or even 35% pa on an unauthorised it's penalty enough. 5 quid a day on an accidental overdraft of 25 pounds is simply criminal. 20% per day, Santander don't offer me anything like that rate on any money I lodge with them.

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  • sodit
    Love rating 128
    sodit said

    My daughter went 25 pounds overdrawn at the A&L, it was right in the middle of her final exams. She rang the bank up, but they couldn't authorize the overdraft over the phone, but the woman at A&L told her that she was being charged 50p per day. Thinking that her time was worth more than that at that particular moment, my daughter left it for 12 days before making the trip to the bank to settle the matter. They charged her 5 pounds per day! I told her to close the account and never have any more dealings with the company. Obviously, A&L's retail management are now running Santander's UK operations.

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  • caz769
    Love rating 1
    caz769 said

    We originally started with Girobank over 25 years ago, then it became A&L and now Santander. Maybe we are just lucky but we have never had a problem with them. Maybe it's because we only spend what is available in our account and never go overdrawn. Always leaving a small amount in for emergencies.

    Any queries we have had with the account have always been sorted out with minimum fuss.

    Just thought I'd put a positive note to this post as everyone seems keen to slate them. And no I'm not an employee of Santander, just in case you're wondering.

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  • Anfauglir
    Love rating 8
    Anfauglir said

    @caz769 - I'm in the same boat as you, I spend MY money (not theirs) and so I don't get hit. Except once, which is relevant on customer service....

    I have a main account, and two other accounts (one joint, one business). One day I used the wrong chequebook, and went overdrawn on the wrong account by about £3 - resulting in about £50 of charges (the paid cheque, and overdraft fee). I wrote to Santander, agreeing it was my error but pointing out that I had never gone O/D before in any account for many years.

    They wrote straight back, thanking me for my loyalty and immediately waived all the fees. So I know from experience that they DO give good customer service.

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  • alandavcered
    Love rating 0
    alandavcered said

    I am so glad you have run a report about Santander and their customer service and overdrafts, now I can tell someone who may actually listen, because Santander don't. I am in the process of changing my current account to Natwest because of Santanders unreasonable charges and lack of care. Recently there was a mix up with Vodafone that meant i was double charged and this put me in the red, by £14. Vodafone have been pretty good and refunded all that they were aware of in charges which is £65!!! on top of this next month I had a further £55 charged to my account from daily overdraft fees!!! That is a total of £110 for a £14 in the red! I informed Santander of this mistake in billing right at the beginning of it all and they have refused to help me- I'll personally will be glad to see the back of them!

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  • Robert Powell
    Love rating 3
    Robert Powell said

    Thanks for all your comments.

    isobelsgrandma,

    I've double checked all the paperwork I have about the changes and the arranged overdraft charges on the Premier Direct account will indeed be changing to 50p per day with a 20 day per month cap - double what the cap was.

    I imagine, as you're paying £1000 into your account every month, Santander will advise you to change your account to their new 'preferential account' - where you'll be eligible for the tier 2 overdraft charges.

    It's very odd that they haven't made the Premier Direct a tier 2 account, considering you are already paying £1000 per month!

    Thanks,

    Robert

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  • SammyJay
    Love rating 0
    SammyJay said

    I've been with A&L for years; have my current account, my mortgage, ISA and a credit card with them. When Santander took over i've had no end of problems. They duplicated my credit card creating two, and transfering the balancing of my one A&L one twice, but only sent me one card. They initially refused to aknowledge their mistake and tried to impose charges on me when I refused to pay the fees on the second card. After some great advice, i contacted the fraud department about the second, unknown account. It was all eventually sorted at no cost to me, but they refused to admit their mistake.

    I also am still trying to claim charges back from them. When they migrated my A&L account some of my payments into my account were conveniently missed, resulting in me going into the overdraft. They are still struggling to accept this was their fault. They've also tried to charge me for placing less than £1000 in my account; i get paid over £1000 4-weekly, which A&L completely understood was out of my control. Santander seem to want to penalise me for this!

    I would also like to know why they won't accept an A&L mortgage as investment, when they want everything else! I've never been so stressed about finances in my life!

    I couldn't fault A&L before this, but now I find myself desperately seeking new places to bank!

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  • djh1697
    Love rating 0
    djh1697 said

    A member of staff at a branch told me they can refund some charges in the branch. Such as a failed DD charge.

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  • amadain
    Love rating 0
    amadain said

    Switched to A&L a few years ago after some infuriating issues with HSBC, but now I think A&L are even worse. I have had so many problems with them with my account in the last couple of months that I am now going to switch everything back to HSBC (or go to First Direct like a lot of you are suggesting to do). My card stops working, for no reason, they say pin is locked. Wait days for Pin to be sent out. Pin is working, then card gets flatly rejected while trying to pay for petrol without even gettin the chance to put in my pin. I have to unlock the card. My online banking suddenly locks me out even though I use it many times a week and know the numbers off by heart... then the nonsense starts - I had a blazing row with some of their customer service muppet on Friday night. To get back up and running on their online banking, they send you a new customer number, by post, that can take '5-7 working days' - so no online banking for 5-7 days. Why the hell can't they just reset it for you with some security questions like everyone else? 5-7 working days? What century is this?

    Then I asked them to transfer money to my HSBC account so I can use it, and although I had answered a bunch of security questions already the 'manager' said that he couldn't transfer the money until I told him the account number or the exact name of a separate savings acount I had with them. Of course I dont know the account number or indeed the exact name, but the prat would not transfer my money (which was in my current account, nothing to do with the savings account). I have never heard of anything so ridiculous. Incredibly maddening and I told him there and then that was that, they have lost me as a customer. Dreadful procedures and customer services.

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  • eLJay
    Love rating 77
    eLJay said

    I had these exact problems with A & L before who would put charges on your account after you had cleared the account and I had all of this whilst waiting for them to close the account and with them putting underfunding charges on my account and post charging me the interest charges as well.

    Do what I did - write a letter to the CEO telling him of the situation and how you want it to be resolved.

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  • therealpadd
    Love rating 2
    therealpadd said

    I have just been into the local Santander branch having been an Alliance Leicester customer previously. I went in for a financial review having found that they had stopped paying interest on one of my accounts. The financial adviser could not even tell me precisely what rate of interest I was getting on another account I had with them other that it was "under 1%" She said "I can tell you how much you earned in interest last year" She quoted a figure and I just said "Good - that's exactly the figure I have on this statement here!" Even with my name and account number no more information was forthcoming about the interest rate. I was absolutely disgusted with their service. It makes me wonder if they could be reported to a financial watchdog if their systems are so bad that interest rates on some accounts are unknown

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  • NS0110
    Love rating 0
    NS0110 said

    It's Buyer Beware with this company. Their in-branch customer service is shocking. I wanted to open an ISA - had my cash with me. Filled in all the forms. Complied with all the paperwork requirements. But apparently my credit rating wasn't good enough. I didn't want any credit, any card, any overdraft - just to give them MY money for an ISA. But they (and I quote) "have to be careful about what calibre of customer they accept"..... Nice. I took my 'dirty' money to NS&I - they were happy to oblige.

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  • suemalling
    Love rating 5
    suemalling said

    Well, Santander gobbled up Abbey and Alliance & Leicester, but I'm sure I read recently they were in the running to take over some RBS/Natwest branches as RBS were considered to have too large a market share and are under pressure to let some branches go ... Regardless of the customer service issues, surely Santander themselves have too large a share of British banking and should be forced to let some branches go? Any further takeovers by Santander should also be referred to the Monopolies & Mergers people.

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  • billyboy121
    Love rating 18
    billyboy121 said

    Santander are just a very poor retail bank. I am currently in the process of taking them to the Financial Ombudsman in relation to charges that they have levied on my account but, after three months of my writing to them, they have not explained.

    I would earnestly encourage anyone considering setting up a new account with them not to do so. If you really must, take the £100 and then close it the following week.

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  • Albaman
    Love rating 0
    Albaman said

    They advertise the Zero Current Account - but nowhere does it say that Alliance & Leicester Mortgages do not qualify !!!!!!!!!!!

    And as for their Credit cards.......................!!!!!!!!

    Bunch of Scheisters

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  • bushbaby1982
    Love rating 0
    bushbaby1982 said

    I'm an A&L customer forced to become a Santander customer. My Premier Direct Account currently charges 50p per day capped at 10 days per month. So my overdraft fee is now going to double from £5 to £10 a month even though I am actually reducing it each month - this is outrageous. If anything else doubled in price there would be uproar. Any ideas who I can move my account to who won't charge this ridiculous amount?

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  • jamjar
    Love rating 1
    jamjar said

    I've had a few problems with them - they cocked-up one of my DDs when I moved a Smile account to their Premier Direct account and they can't seem to set up a DD for the correct amount on my Zero credit card.

    However, I've made money from them ... £100 for the current account transfer plus the Zero credit card had 12 months 0% plus 0% fee if you had a current account with them.

    So for me, at this time, they're not too bad.

    I'll let you know how my ISA transfer goes and I'll be transferring my current account with them to another provider to make some extra cash, fingers crossed.

    JJ

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  • hindsight
    Love rating 0
    hindsight said

    I've been an A+L customer for the last 7 years after some horrendous, near bankrupting experiences with RBS (be warned about them too). I have never had any problems with A+L and always found them quite helpful. I have noticed though that Santander have bought them over, and I willbe shopping around for a new account for the following reasons.

    I look after my mum full time, and she banks with Abbey (who were also bought over by Santander). Everything was fine until Santander moved in. What an absolute nightmare. They take money for two insurance policies (when there is only one policy), they rip £100's of pounds of charges from her account every month (charges on charges) - which, for those that don't know, is illegal as her income is her disabilty living allowance (they can not take government money), gas, electric and other bills aren't paid even when there is plenty of money in the account. We're trying to get her moved to Lloyds at the moment, but with her health, it's difficult to get a good enough day to deal with it. Anyway, for the last few months we have lived off of my part time wage, thanks to Santander. When we do eventually get the account closed, we will take legal action against them. Avoid them like the plague!

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  • Savvy chic
    Love rating 20
    Savvy chic said

    What Missflea doesn't mention is that there used to be a maximum of £5 a month for the 50p per day overdraft fee but, if I remember rightly from the change of conditions leaflet I was sent, this is now going to rise to £7.50 per month. 50% more - quite some increase!

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  • andrewjameshowar
    Love rating 25
    andrewjameshowar said

    Show me a good UK retail bank! They're all rubbish! Service is pretty awful all round. So I base my views on price. Santander's Zero credit card is great for foreign transactions. Other banks, even Nationwide, rip you off with extra currency charges. On the other hand, I was kept in a Santander branch for an hour trying to redeem a fixed rate bond the other day (guantanamo bay I call them). what's unforgiveable though is crap service with crap prices/rates. And that's what we get from most banks most of the time.

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  • jmgingerbeer
    Love rating 0
    jmgingerbeer said

    Santander take the biscuit with me. Previous trouble with them over stiff fees for going overdrawn for 3 hours. I latterly had a Premier 50 Alliance and Leicester account , which was pretty good value when it started at £10 pounds a month. After they jacked it up last October to £12, I asked them if I could revert to my old non-premium account. No way, I was told, as all the old A&L accounts are now sealed. I would have to close that completely and start a fresh Santander account with a new number and the usual hassle of notifying all the direct debit parties. So after some thought I decided to walk. Took my current account to Smile, who were offering a free premium account for the first 12 months. They seem so far to be much better.

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  • dennisfoto
    Love rating 0
    dennisfoto said

    I have a Current Account Debit Card with CAHOOT, who are SANTANDER. It has a £1,000 O/D facility. I have gone over this limit several times when they have added % to the account and then charged £30 fee on top. I thoughtb that the Banks were told to reduce O/D penalty fee"s ?

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  • Qexit
    Love rating 12
    Qexit said

    Just for the record, I think a more accurate title for this article would have been 'Santander to penalise low income customers'. The requirement to pay in at least £1,000 a month to qualify for any kind of benefits from a current account will be a major stumbling block for a very large number of people who only receive minimum wage or are on benefits. This is also the group least able to pay any of the high charges that get thrown at them when things go wrong.

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  • dominio43
    Love rating 0
    dominio43 said

    I have just been on the phone, yet again, about tax being deducted from the intrest on my ISA and after 2hours i told them just to close my account, put the money in my current account and i will move it myself to another bank, as it is under the £5,100 alowance for this tax year rather than let them move it, as i tried to do that last month and nothing has happend.

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  • flager
    Love rating 0
    flager said

    What a sad catalogue of problems with Santandar. If I may redress the balance slightly, I was with A&L and transferred to Santandar. Apart from criticising being kept waiting for 15 mins to be served (only one person at counter) and being told I could always go to another branch, which I subsequently did, I have not had any problems with my current, savings & ISAs to date. Hope I don't have occasion to contridict this at some time in the future. Here's hoping!

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