Cut your petrol costs by a third

Mark Adams
by Lovemoney Staff Mark Adams on 17 March 2010  |  Comments 55 comments

Petrol prices are set to rocket to a record high of £1.20 a litre in the next few weeks. Check out Mark Adams' top tips on cutting the cost of fuel.

Cut your petrol costs by a third

If you're already sick of handing over wads of cash at the petrol pump, I have some bad news.

The AA said on Tuesday that petrol prices could hit a record high of £1.20 within the next few weeks, following a 17% rise in the cost of wholesale petrol in the past month. With a 3p increase in petrol duty also set to take place on April 1st, and the average family already paying £52 more a month on petrol than a year ago, motorists are feeling the pinch.

Luckily, a few simple tricks could help you cut your overall fuel spend by a much as a third. Here's how it's done.

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Shop around for fuel 

Your first step should be the obvious act of shopping around for the cheapest petrol. Price comparison website petrolprices.com will help you locate the lowest-priced fuel in your area. All you have to do is register your details then input your postcode: the site will then locate the lowest prices for petrol, diesel and even LPG fuel near to where you live. Small savings can soon add up if you're filling up your tank - but do bear in mind that driving five miles out of your way will eat into any savings you make!

It's also worth checking petrol offers at your local supermarket - the big retailers often sell heavily-subsidised fuel to help coax us inside their stores.

Get cash back when you pay at the pump

The big petrol firms and motoring organisations are using loyalty schemes operated through own-branded credit cards to help secure our returning custom - and used in the right way, they can see you being paid to fill up. This month the AA launched its Rewards Credit Card, which offers members reward points which are the equivalent of 2% cashback for motoring purchases (including fuel) and 1% cashback on other purchases. Non-members get 1% off motoring purchases while the card also offers 0% on balance transfers for 12 months.

Shell operates a 'driver's club' loyalty card from its stations - you receive 50 bonus points on registration and additional points every time you fill up. Points can be exchanged for money off at the pump - 500 points gains you £2.50 off your total fuel spend. This replaces the Shell Mastercard which offered 3% cashback on fuel purchases. Supermarket credit cards are also worth investigating - the Asda Rewards Credit Card offers the equivalent of 2p off each litre every time you fill up at one of their stores.

There's a great new credit card which allows you to earn extra cash when you're doing your petrol shopping.

Alternatively, if you don't want to be tied to one supplier, you can utilise a regular cashback credit card to get money off each time you fill up. Search our best buys for the latest deals.     

Be a smarter driver

The way you drive can also affect your petrol spend - and a few good habits can bring down your fuel bills significantly. Switching to a more fuel-efficient driving style is easy and the first step is to watch your speed. Driving fast and crunching through the gears without mercy can see your fuel consumption soar. Insurer Swiftcover says that 55 - 65mph is typically the most fuel efficient speed for driving. Any faster and consumption increases dramatically.

Be a patient driver and step off the accelerator whenever possible. When slowing down or driving downhill, remain in gear but take your foot off the accelerator early. This reduces fuel flow to the engine to virtually zero. Check your revs regularly too - change up before 2,500rpm (petrol) or 2,000rpm (diesel) as you move through the gears. Always drive off from cold: modern cars are designed to move straight away. Warming up the engine just wastes fuel - and actually causes engine wear

Finally, if you can do so safely, kill the engine when appropriate. Figures from the AA show that a car gets through 15-25ml of fuel every minute on tickover. If you're halted by 15 traffic lights on your morning commute, and you average a one-minute stop at each, that's three-quarters of a litre burnt daily without purpose.

Plan your journeys

One simple common sense measure can help bring down your petrol spend even further and save you time too. A cold engine uses almost twice as much fuel and catalytic converters can take five miles to become effective. The reason? It's mainly down to the chilly oil, which hasn't yet warmed and thinned to properly lubricate the moving bits. So there's lots more friction, and to overcome that the engine demands greater amounts of ffuel.  To keep fuel consumption down when you've several stops to make, go to the furthest destination first and try and use other forms of transport for shorter journeys if you can.

Streamline your car

What you really need to bolster your fuel efficiency is a light car that's properly serviced. To that end, keep an eye on your tyre pressure - tyres underinflated by 10% will suffer a 2.5% rise in fuel consumption, so check them regularly.

Accessories such as roof racks, bike carriers and roof boxes significantly affect your car's aerodynamics and reduce fuel efficiency, so remove them when not in use. Stow the seats when you're driving alone and clear any heavy junk from the boot too (although not the spare tyre!). The US Department of Energy has calculated that an each 50kg of weight increases your fuel consumption by 2%.

Finally, make sure you change the oil in your car regularly - dry engines use more fuel and compromise your safety on the road. 

Get help from lovemoney.com

If you need a bit of help cutting your driving costs, we can help.

First, adopt this goal: Cut your car costs.

Then, watch our video on the best value cars:

Rachel Robson takes a look at which car brands come out best in terms of value for money.

Then why not have a wander over to Q&A and ask other lovemoney.com members for hints and tips about what worked best for them?

This article has been updated from an earlier version published in 2009.

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  • Santa
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    Santa said

    I made a heater using a biscuit tin and a 40 watt bulb - works a treat when frost is forcast.

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  • robertminchin
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    robertminchin said

    Are you sure about the ASDA deal for 2p off per litre? I took out their card a couple of years ago for this very reason but recently they wrote to me saying it had reduced to 1p off per litre.

    I might just as well use my 1% cashback Egg card rather than keep another card just for fuel.

    Bob

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  • Mike10613
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    Mike10613 said

    Santa, I hope you are using that heater inside your garage and not outside and it's fitted with a 3A fuse in the plug. Anyone, attempting this use a batten holder for the light bulb and you may get away with a small pygmy lamp; preferably on a timer.   

    I checked local garages for prices online and had a choice of two within a 1/4 of a mile. They do tend to change their prices. I went to the one I thought may be slightly more expensive this week. No queue, it's easier to check my tyres and that's important now temperatures have dropped and the most important reason of all; I was going that way anyway! 

    I usually find I can change gear at low revs, around 1,500 on the flat or downhill and maybe a little higher uphill. It is important to be in the right gear quite often, but a higher gear can be safe and fuel efficient. I use 5th gear at low speeds and it doesn't accelerate so quickly, but doesn't labour either and so that is very fuel efficient. 

    A major problem I had with my car was the air filter, when that was changed it used much less fuel and so that is probably more important than an oil change. If you're responsible and use your car mainly for essential journeys it isn't necessary to do a full service every year if you keep the mileage down. This particularly applies to homeworkers and teleworkers now. Travelling to work is slowly becoming a dated idea for people who use computers all day long and can work at home connecting to their work place using broadband. This saves the employer the cost of office space which is very expensive and allows the employee flexible working and economy. It also reduces congestion on our roads. The government should introduce tax incentives to encourage it. Scrapping the car tax disk and adding it to petrol would be a good move and make the DVLA more efficient. Making home technology tax deductible would be helpful too. There are many other measures they could introduce but there isn't enough space here to start a debate! 

      

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  • PICASSOMAN
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    PICASSOMAN said

    I wondered if you might be interested in my experience. I have am 02 TDCi

    mondeo estate - a big car 90,000 miles on the clock. When I first bought it I used to get 39-44 mph. In the last couple of years I have adopted what I call a lazy, laid back driving technique. Keep to the speed limits, try to anticipate the traffic so i break as little as possible, keep in the highest gear possible and use the gears for slowing down as much as possible.

    This paticular model has a very useful feature. If you put it in 5th gear and take your foot off the accelerator it settles down to a tickover rate of 1000rpm which equates to just 30mph - superb for lazy driving in urban areas and very economical and you don't exceed the speed limit - which where I live with " mobile caught on cameras" everywhere saves me a fortune in fines and points (insurance costs).

    The upshot is very little wear on breaks and discs and tyres and keeping my foot off the clutch always moving to neutral at traffic lights saves a fortune in these items.

    My mph for this car with mixed urban and extra urban driving is now

    51mph+

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  • cmp1951
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    cmp1951 said

    Do some proper fuel comparisons.

    I used a supermarket usually saving 1p per litre for diesel.

    Out in he sticks was unable to refuel and chanced upon on the the Majors (the one with a marine type logo)

    It was same price, and after checking consumption my mpg had increased by 6 mpg.

    Subsequent use of said major has maintained the increased mpg.

    So the moral is don't just rely on price, and if you can get known brand for not much more per litre then do so.

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  • PICASSOMAN
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    PICASSOMAN said

    I wondered if you might be interested in my experience. I have an 02 TDCi

    mondeo estate - a big car 90,000 miles on the clock. When I first bought it I used to get 39-44 mph. In the last couple of years I have adopted what I call a lazy, laid back driving technique. Keep to the speed limits, try to anticipate the traffic so I brake as little as possible, keep in the highest gear possible and use the gears for slowing down as much as possible.

    This paticular model has a very useful feature. If you put it in 5th gear and take your foot off the accelerator it settles down to a tickover rate of 1000rpm which equates to just 30mph - superb for lazy driving in urban areas and very economical and you don't exceed the speed limit - which where I live with " mobile caught on cameras" everywhere saves me a fortune in fines and points (insurance costs).

    The upshot is very little wear on brakes, discs and tyres and keeping my foot off the clutch always moving to neutral at traffic lights saves a fortune in these items.

    My mph for this car with mixed urban and extra urban driving is now

    51mph+ I reckon overall I am saving hundreds of £'s per year in running costs. I reckon that, especially in todays traffic conditions, that the trade off of losing a few minutes on journey time to the financial gains is well worth it.

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  • BASSCHASER
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    BASSCHASER said

    Overuse of uppercase will be tamed (you can edit your comment to prevent this):

    hi guys i think i am gonna now set the cat among the pigeons. try looking on you tube at browns gas. this is a fairly simple thig to set up, you can actually make the kit out of bits from hardware shops . it allows you to boil water and split of the hydrogen which is then taken direst to the carb and burns more efficiently than petroleum . as its burnt immediately there is no need to store potentially explosive substances so safer than lpg. lots of american trucks now run this system and apparently get huge improvements in gas milage. a typical family car can get 900 miles out of a litre of h20. nice thing is if you use this method the by product is water so no pollution. the other option is cooking oil in your deisel vehicle, i mix 40% deisel 10% petrol and 50% cooking oil and the van runs swet as a nut! as long as youfit an auxilliary filter between the tank and pump (2 jubilee clips and a filter about 6 quid from halfords ) and you have a good fuel pump such as a bosche unit it wont cause problems . but what if you are petrol ? thats easy just make the fuel burn more efficiently! if you put a small amount of pure acetone in the petrol ( and i do mean small) probably about a cup in 10 gallons it will get you about 20% increase in your fuel milage and burn cleaner. all of these items are out there all it needs is research and the guts to try it. if your worried try it in your lawnmwer first (or better still ask if you can borrow the neighbours) . go on you tube and search increase your gas milage, its suprising whats out there they dont want you to know! oh and while your there type in australian over unity motor. 5000 aussie dollars to produce enough lecky to run your house and sell 400% more to the national grid. bet youll never see that for sale at the lcal electricity board shop! enjoy!

    And now here are some pictures to help lighten the mood

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  • missflea
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    missflea said

    Asda dropped their 2p off a litre when using their credit card to 1p off quite some time ago. I am surprised this article is so out of date. Asda's petrol is still usually the cheapest about so still a good deal though.

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  • MK22
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    MK22 said

    cmp1951 makes a very good point. You need to realise that, as with anything you buy, if someone is offering to sell it to you at a much lower price than everyone else, there has to be a reason. There are minimum quality standards for fuels, but most oil majors put all sorts of additives in their fuels to improve performance/fuel consumption (ie more power and/or less fuel). The cheaper the fuel the less chance of additives. BUT, not all additives work well with all engines and it takes a while for an additive to be effective when you change suppliers. Personally I only buy fuels from an oil major. Maybe I am a mug, but I don't want to risk a valve through the side of the engine on the occassions when I do actually put my foot down. Oh, and even modern engines will slowly use more and more fuel if you pussy foot around all the time and don't burn the cylinders clean at high revs/power every so often.

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  • MaidenGuy1
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    MaidenGuy1 said

    My last car (a non-turbo Golf diesel) did more than 500,000 miles on cheap fuel. The key is simply to use a good oil (Castrol GTX) and have it changed it regularly to reduce engine wear.

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  • nickpike
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    nickpike said

    Supermarket fuel uses Silicon which is basically an inferior product to the oil companies. I remember a few years ago in the SE when tens of thousands of cars suffered serious engine problems as too much silicon had been added. The likes of Shell and Esso don't use the stuff. If you value your car I'd steer (pun?) clear of supermarket petrol. I used to test oil products and Shell always came out on top. My car runs really sweet using Shell or Esso. I've used cheap petrol in the past (Jet) and the car did not run as well.

    My point is that if an engines performance is optimised, it should provide max mpg. I also use REAL synthetic oil, which gives better mpg and protection when the engine is warming up as it remains thin at low temperatures.

    I've proved to myself that driving with a light foot, I can improve my mpg by 25%.

    My next car will be a diesel. They have come on in leaps and bounds and give amazing mpg, and very satisfactory performance, but you need to get a decent make.

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  • tk0306
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    tk0306 said

    Hi, I run a 2.5L Diesel Motorhome it's very uneconomical. So when I got a job 7 miles away from home I decided to buy a 250cc Scooter. So far I have only used supermarket fuel, which I know is not the best but I get 68 MPG out of it. Not bad but just think what I'll get if I use one of the majors? Not only that Tax cost £33 for the year and Insurance only £65, On top of all this, it's way more fun than sitting in the traffic, not perhaps in the winter though!

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  • sarahrchds
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    sarahrchds said

    I was once a blending chemist at a BP oil refinery: so I know what we put in petrol then (I'm going back some 40 years). We used to make Shell, Esso, Jet - cheap and majors alike. They all had different recipes! But silicon?? Silicon is an inert element, it's the next element analagous to Carbon. Silicon compounds are sometimes used as lubricants - I've used silicone grease for years - because they are more efficient, not less, but more expensive to make. I would say, though, that the major oil companies tend to design their fuel to a quality whereas supermarkets design down to a price. How much difference that makes in your car only you can discover: but I do think it's worth trying the majors to see (and I must admit I haven't, but will soon!)

    Basschaser, the Browns Gas is a nonsense. It's basically the gas mix produced from the electrolysis of water, and it requires more energy (electrical energy) to make it than it gives off. You can't run a car on water: the laws of physics dictate that. And few cars nowadays have a carburetter, most use fuel injection, and the modifications needed to make a petrol car run on gaseous fuel of any kind are considerable. Don't be fooled by hype! (And by the way, I was always taught that using all capitals is the Internet equivalent of shouting: I doubt if I'm the only one who would appreciate it if you didn't shout. Thank you.)

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  • joe turner
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    joe turner said

    Terrific and helpful comments. Thanks a mill

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  • Klawman
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    Klawman said

    PLEASE don't use used cooking oil in your diesel unless you know it's OK. If filtered and diluted with solvent, it's fine with last-gen engines, but it's most definitely NOT OK with high-pressure common-rail piezo injector systems (sorry about the shouting but it's important).

    Fuel economy can be improved by "chipping" - up to 20% with a turbo engine (ie all modern diesels). As this usually results in a 30-40% boost in power, too, don't chip the car without checking with your Insurance company first. Gains with non-turbo petrol engines are small, but might still be worthwhile.

    Low rolling-resistance ("energy saver") tyres make an appreciable difference. That's why they are fitted as standard on all new BMWs, VW BlueMotion, Ford Econetic, etc, models.

    Agreed about low-viscosity fully-synthetic oil. It's expensive, but it lasts a lot longer and reduces engine wear to near zero, too.

    Don't switch your engine off every few seconds in slow-moving traffic. Unless the car has stop-start technology, the starter motor is not built to take that sort of heavy usage and what you'll save in fuel you'll spend more than double on replacement starter motors.

    It's worth blanking off most of the intake grille to reduce aerodynamic drag, especially if doing high-speed (motorway) journeys. Intake grilles have to let in enough air to cool the engine under extreme conditions (eg towing a caravan up a steep hill in a desert), and are therefore much too big for standard driving conditions in the UK.

    Do not coast down in neutral (iee engine idling but not in gear). An idling engine uses fuel; a modern engine on the over-run does not.

    Energy from Water

    Brown's gas - it's true that it takes more energy to electrolyse water to make hydrogen than the power gained from the burning the hydrogen. However, there's usually quite a lot of spare electrical power being generated that otherwise goes to waste, so it's not complete nonsense. The gasses produced (hydrogen and oxygen) can be fed to the air inlet on a fuel-injected car.  But it'll upset the fuel-air balance and may not result in any appreciably gains on a modern engine.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_fuel_enhancement

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxyhydrogen

    Another way of improving engine efficiency is water injection. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_injection_(engines)

    The water droplets are vapourised by the heat of combustion thereby expanding the volume of gas in the cylinders and increasing power output and simultanously cooling the engine and reducing knocking.  But to make it work properly needs a sophisticated management system and distilled/de-ionised water. Not practical for a domestic car. 

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  • ninety-eight
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    ninety-eight said

    hydrogen systems do not work. The amount of energy required to split off hydrogen from water is greater than the energy value of the hydrogen when you burn it. Its a net loss reaction. Sheffield Univeristy have a Ford Focus converted to run on hydrogen but it requres a huge mains electricity powered generator to make the hydrogen for it. They are working on a solar powered one. Its still a huge rig (about the size of a telephone box) but when its commercially viable/available I will look at one!

    Where you can / will save money is with LPG. 49p - 55p per litre depending on where you buy it. Older cars may lose up to 10% fuel efficiency but with the fuel costing often less than half what unleaded costs this is not an issue. Modern cars with sequential LPG systems make the same MPG on gas as they do on petrol. Some turbo cars make more power and more MPG on LPG than they do on unleaded due to the higher octane rating of LPG allowing the system to run a little higher boost.

    Sure, an LPG conversion is expensive turn-key to get done (Typically £800 - £2000 depending on your car) but buying a used car with the LPG system already fitted often comes at a very slight premium. If you are a competant mechanic you can fit your own LPG system for very little. You will need to get it certified for your insurance company, this usually costs £100 or so. I'm picking up a used but working LPG system for £100 for my new (used) Saab so for £200 investment I will half my fuel costs. best thing is the used kit comes with 50 litres of gas in it which is same range as a tank of petrol! 

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  • samprice11
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    samprice11 said

    Hi all,

    I'm with sarahrchds on this one. She said "major oil companies tend to design their fuel to a quality whereas supermarkets design down to a price." I'm a powertrain engineer and I've experienced the problems that supermarket fuel can cause to certain engines. This is not to say all engine are sensitive to the poorer quality fuel but some cetrtainly are. I've found that Fiat and GM (Vauxhall / Opel) engines seem to be most suseptable to it. After prolonged use of supermarket grade fuel they tend to have problems starting and in extreme cases struggle to idle. This is caused by deposits building up on the injectors. I presume that supermarket fuels don't use the same quality / quatity of detergents in the fuel? Whatever it is, I've found the fuel to be very poor quality and always stick to the majors (BP, Shell, etc.) If you car have with starting and/or idling issues (and you usually use supermarket fuel), try switching to BP or Shell for a couple of tank fills and see if the problem sorts itself out.

    Sam

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  • jegwe
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    jegwe said

      

    The thing that needs to change is the policy adopted by many local authorities of needlessly extending times that traffic is held at traffic lights simply in order to slow the traffic.

    It is totally incompatible with environmental needs and simply forces energy to be wasted with a consequent increase in avoidable pollution. This pollution is often delivered directly into the crowded streets in which people are living and walking.

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  • Iamcoldsteve
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    Iamcoldsteve said

    Sam, what a load of tosh, scaremongering and anecdotal 'evidence'.

    Here's some more anecdotal 'evidence'. My 5 year old Vauxhall has done approx 126K miles on mainly Asda standard unleaded petrol. I do high mileage yearly (approx 30K miles) and change the oil at the max interval of 20K miles, using synthetic long life oil.

    OK, the duty cycle is fairly light as I mainly do motorway driving and most journeys are fairly long distances, so the oil has warmed etc, few starts etc. These things prolong oil life more than frequent and short journeys.

    My previous car also used Asda fuel for approx 100K miles, again without any engine issues.

    The reasons why I use Asda fuel are, it is usually the cheapest around, and is local to me (I drive passed it twice a day)

    I usually fill up first thing in the morning to avoid garage storage tank fill temperature changes and disburbance of any sediment in the bottom.

    I am also a Powertrain Development Engineer for a large multinational car company and can hand on heart say that there is SO much misinformation around it is unreal. A lot of people also want to use the ignorance of most others to make a bit too.

    I agree with a previous statement about turning off the engine all the time is a bad idea if the original starter motor / ancilliaries weren't designed for it. It will clearly wear out far quicker, along with discharging / charging the battery more frequently may reduce battery life and increase alternator duty.

    I have tried other fuels and found a lowering of fuel economy, and I calculate manually every time I fill the tank. I tried driving very carefully for about 2 weeks -not going over 2000 rpm in any gear except 5th, never going WOT (wide open throttle) and sticking to around 66 mph on the motorway. I achieved about 11% reduction in fuel consumption, which was better than I expected, BUT the journeys were so dull and boring.

    It isn't about MPG or cost per litre alone. It is about MPP (miles per pound) which is a combination of both, and I will be sticking with Asda fuel - maybe they could send me some vouchers for the free advertising?

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  • Iamcoldsteve
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    Iamcoldsteve said

    BTW, the fuel spec for Unleaded petrol BS:EN 7070 must be met by all to be used, as with BS:EN 590 for diesel (which can have up to 5% 'vegetable derived oil').

    I seem to recall that both these specs have values for lubricants, wear, deposits etc etc etc

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  • Mike10613
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    Mike10613 said

    Jegwe, Local authorities have to introduce more and more traffic lights to increase congestion; how else will they get congestion charges introduced to get more money out of us? You may notice a drive towards bringing in more traffic to urban areas with "tourist" attractions getting planning permission and an increase in road humps to block off a lot of roads and concentrate congestion on to A roads. Huge shopping centres are excellent for providing increased congestion too and together with the other measures will allow local authorities to get the measures through to introduce congestion charges and higher car parking fees in all urban areas in the next few years. They can then pay their chief executives and upper level staff decent wages some of them are earning less then $100,000 a year now which is pathetic...

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  • busyhels
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    busyhels said

    nintey eight thanks for bit of info on lpg

    does any one else have any further info/ comments /problems etc. converting or using this system.

    i have an old car which i am in stop start short trips for work which makes it juicy. it always seems to go into automatic choke when re starting thats why i dont turn the engine off in ques.

    how safe is it? is it efficient ie how much would a small car use? how does it affect insurance premiums? and has any magazines done any researchon lpg?

    many thanks all 

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  • Iamcoldsteve
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    Iamcoldsteve said

    There is huge amounts of info on LPG on Google. You can even get reduced road tax if you send off the relevant forms to DVLA.

    The car will initially start on petrol and then switch over to LPG when the engine has warmed up a little (normally within less than a minute or so - maybe slightly longer with a really cold start)

    LPG burns with less emissions and can prolong oil life too by less dilution or contamination by combustion blow by gases.

    Safety? is fine. The system has to be checked and maintained though to be given a certificate. The common replacement item is the heater that warms up the LPG using coolant. The diaphram needs replacing typically annually.

    The gas tank is robust, probably safer than a normal petrol tank.

    Channel tunnel doesn't allow LPG cars AT ALL. You would have to remove the entire kit to use the Chunnel (I have asked if you can just remove the LPG tank - no was the answer)

    You can fit them yourself, it isn't that difficult. The only hard / nerve wracking part would be drilling into the inlet manifold to fit the LPG injectors, swarf would be an engine killer !

    Any good kit will come with emulators for the normal petrol injectors to prevent fault codes on the normal fuel injection equipment. The kit could then be tuned for your car, a trial and error process to fine tune it. It doesn't take long but maximises the kits potential.

    Steer clear from the very cheap / poor quality kits around, you will only get recurring problems from them.

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  • mikewhit21
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    mikewhit21 said

    @lamcoldsteve: The tips about supermarket fuel being less efficient are not necessarily tosh. I really would suggest people try it out for themselves. It may be that in your car there is no difference, but in mine there certainly was. I was getting 300-320 miles per tank when using Sainsbury's unleaded. Since I switched to Shell I am now getting 360-380 miles per tank. It's a sixty litre tank and I usually end up putting in 50-52 litres at a fill-up. The Sainsbury's station is my nearest, but the Shell one is only a couple of miles further away and I can usually time it so that I'm going a bit nearer anyway. So in my case it is definitely worthwhile.

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  • samprice11
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    samprice11 said

    Iamcoldsteve, thanks for you input. However, I'd like to discuss the "tosh and scaremongering" off this discussion forum if that's OK. I have fuel analysis data that shows that the supermarket fuel is of a lower quality than the majors and I've had friends with starting / idling issues issues (cuased by supermarket fuel) on a 2006 Meriva 1.6 8V and a 1998 Fiat Punto 1.2. I'm not saying all GM and Fiats are sensitive to fuel quality but these are 2 models that I am aware of). I would be happy to share the fuel analysis data with you and get your take on it as it caused quite a discussion with my colleagues. Please contact my private email address sam_net@hotmail.co.uk and I'll then send you the data via my company email address.

    Sam

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  • Iamcoldsteve
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    Iamcoldsteve said

    Email sent, Sam. thanks.

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  • jaxtrerbargain
    Love rating 0
    jaxtrerbargain said

    I too have noticed the differences over the years of supermarket fuel. We had an Ambassador (givingmy age away now) which we tried to run on Tesco fuel, it really did not do for that car at all, miss firing and poor performance. I now use BP ultra - yes I cried myself, at what I was doing at the time, more money than sence I am now from 416 miles per tank on 206 120k Diesel to just over 500miles per tank, this is not all motorway driving either I reckon this figure will increase when I make some more adjustments to my driving!!

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  • ninety-eight
    Love rating 1
    ninety-eight said

    the thing about supermarket fuel is this: Adsa do not have a north sea platform, Sainsbury do not have their own refineries.  A chap I knew worked for one of the major petrol companies a couple of years ago and confirmed what I had suspected: Tesco/Asda/Sainsbury petrol is just Shell/Esso/Mobil/etc. petrol. It is bought as a commodity, same as baked beans or whatever. [maybe this has changed in thelast couple of years, but then, probably not?] I have heard theories claiming that supermarket petol is worse because the fuel never settles properly in the tanks because of the volume of fuel which goes through them. I would have thought that a country village garage which may have old and even leaky tanks, 40 years of accumulated deposits in and the fuel may hang about long enough to start going stale would be more of a risk yet nobody warns against using these places...

    I think a lot of the difference with petrol from supermarkets is just psychological. You think your car SHOULD run better with Shell Optimax so it feels like it does. Lots of studies been done into the psycological effects of brand on perception of performance with food, wine, beer, clothing, stereo equipment, etc. backs this up.

    This site: http://www.fuelsaving.info/ has a lot of very interesting info on fuel saving devices, fuel and the perception of fuel economy vs. the reality of it and is written by a guy who developed fuel systems for production cars so should know what he's talking about. A good read and debunks a few myths.

    www.lpgforum.co.uk is a good place to go to ask about LPG conversions.

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  • nickpike
    Love rating 270
    nickpike said

    Hi sarahrchds. Ref your questioning silicon. I remember that tens of thousands of cars were affected by supermarket fuel only in the SE some years ago and it made the TV news for a few days. Those reports said that too much silicon was added?

    I see a mention of Vauxhall running OK on supermarket fuel. Ironically, the most affected make was Vauxhall, and expensive repair work was required. I remember they were having to replace a lot of camshafts.

    The petrol comes from the same refineries, but it is the different additives that make for differnet quality.

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  • Iamcoldsteve
    Love rating 308
    Iamcoldsteve said

    Silicon would foul the Lambda (oxygen) sensor and cause mis fuelling. Changing this sensor would probably be the most expensive thing that would be needed. I fail to see how cam shafts would suddenly break due to silicon in the fuel.

    The fuel DOES come from the same refineries, BUT may have ever so slightly different 'keys' added.

    Personally from all the information I have seen, there is no measurable difference between supermarket and 'brand' fuels.

    But whatever floats your boat.

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  • Pechis
    Love rating 5
    Pechis said

    How about this for actual evidence on the standard of supermarket fuel.

    I was involved in an external display in a supermarket car park. We had to run a petrol generator to power some electrical equipment. The generator was brand new and had only operated for about 20 hours.

    We filled it up with fuel from the supermarket and it wouldn't even start.

    We called out the local garage who confirmed it was likely to be the fuel that was the problem. They had some neat ethanol and added this to the tank and it wvwntually started. Since then we have only used main brand fuel and had no problems.

    I use supermarket fuel al the time in my own vehicle but ecery so often I top up with branded fuel. I was told that there are more additives in the branded fuel and that they make the engine run better especially in the winter.

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  • reeley
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    reeley said

    I travel 100 miles each day to to work and back, 90 of which are motorway, M5 and M4. I have found that by driving at 50mph on the motorway I get 60MPG with Shell diesel fuel. With Supermarket fuel it varies from 50MPG to 60MPG. Same journey every day, and as I start travelling at 0500, the traffic conditions are virtually identical as well. After 12 months of this I think I can pretty much rule out anything other than varying fuel quality. At 70MPH I only get 40MPG, it takes ten minutes less time on the journey, but the cost is far too high. The car is a diesel C4 Grand Picasso, so it is a bit of an aerodynamic brick but is only 18mths old and is properly serviced/maintained!

    Locally I can choose between Shell, Esso and Tesco, anything else is too far off route and would wipe out potential savings. I used to have BP locally, they were very consistent, but they closed down a few months ago.

    I haven't tried biodiesel - the few people I spoke to that had said that they got very poor MPG compared to regular diesel, plus my Citroen dealer could not confirm if it was OK to use in my car, so I kept clear, just in case.

    My Tip - do a few regular repeatable trips from full and refill so that you know exactly what MPG you are getting on the fuel type. That way you can pick the fuel that works best for you. By the way, I think supermarkets buy fuel on the spot market, so that might explain why I find its quality is inconsistent.

     

    My tip? Try the various fuel brands and find the one that works for your car and only use the supermarkets when they offer a significant per litre saving. Locally I can choose between Shell, Tesco and Esso, anything else is too far off route and would cost me more than I save to go the extra miles to fill up. I used to find BP very consistent and good, but they closed down locally. 

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  • Bobski
    Love rating 19
    Bobski said

    You can currently get a £1 voucher saving 3.3p/l when buying 30l of shell optimax. Go to shell website and download the vouchers.

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  • oldsoldier
    Love rating 0
    oldsoldier said

    I don't like short measure. For the past 25 years I have kept a record of the amount of fuel bought, the price, distance travelled, and mpg.  I always fill the tank to full capacity and I write the vehicle mileage on the receipt and convert litres to gallons by multplying by 0.21997. I then divide the gallons used into the miles travelled since the last fill up. Some friends laugh at me and say its a waste of time but its worth the trouble.  You would be surprised how much supermarket pumps can differ.  And the other garages' pumps as well. Find a good pump and buy its fuel.  My little book shows that my sensibly driven and well maintained Mercedes E220 CDi has done 52mpg and dropped to as low as 32mpg.  How often is the accuracy of filling station fuel pumps checked? Probably very rarely, unless someone complains. I have complained once and it had the desired effect. But goodness only knows how much that fuel company had filched from the unsuspecting motorists who bought its fuel.

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  • chubby chops
    Love rating 13
    chubby chops said

    Iamcoldsteve, I cannot agree with your comments to Sam that what he says is a load of old tosh etc. My partner & I have a motorcycle service workshop. Although motorcycles can generally run on a poorer quality petrol we advise against it, particularly as we have found that more and more people come in with fuel related problems when using supermarket petrol.  Customers are often a bit unsure when we suggest changing petrol but to a man/woman they come back for their next service telling us what a bit difference it made. 

    To us it was my Citroen C2 that cemented our thinking.  She has a hissy fit if I use supermarket petrol, stalling, engine management lights etc when idling when I have used supermarket petrol. Fill up with Shell, BP or Esso and there are no problems.  People can throw all the technical stuff they want at me but to me the proof is in the pudding as they say.

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  • Wowbagger
    Love rating 0
    Wowbagger said

    The reason why you use more petrol when the car is cold has little to do with how viscous the oil is. Its got more to do with the fact that engines need to run rich (more fuel to air ratio) when cold. Since the air is the same, then more fuel is added and therefore used.

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  • oldsoldier
    Love rating 0
    oldsoldier said

    There is an opinion here that supermarket petrol is inferior to petrol at major oil company filling stations. Is supermarket diesel inferior to the major oil companys' diesel? 

     

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  • Iamcoldsteve
    Love rating 308
    Iamcoldsteve said

    Chubby,

    I am basing my comments on my expertise with developing engines etc and also on the fact of personally doing getting on for half a million miles on Asda Fuel, without issue.

    I will gladly remove the spark plugs from my car and take a photo of them, they have done 67,000 miles almost exclusively on Asda Petrol.

    I also don't know of a single person who has had issues either with the supply of their fuel.

    I'll stick to Asda fuel

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  • chubby chops
    Love rating 13
    chubby chops said

    Iamcoldsteve

    Unlike you we know of many people though our motorcycle business (includes engines!) who have had these issues with supermarket petrol, remembering that on two wheels these issues can quickly become a matter of life or death. Also my car has problems and other drivers locally have had the same problems - but only after filling up at the supermarket.

    I don't use ASDA and I don't have your car so can only speak as I find - but I won't be in your way when you go to fill up as I'll be at Shell.

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  • BenjaminRupertCosin
    Love rating 0
    BenjaminRupertCosin said

    Please do a lot of research before cutting your engine at traffic lights. For a year or so I did this when I anticipated a wait of more than 45 seconds - then I lived and drove mainly in London central areas. Lots of lights. I had a battery breakdown and needed AA services to replace my battery. I strongly suspect a connection between this behaviour and the break down. I spent three months trying to get info from Nissan (manufacturers of my current car ) and BMW (advertising auto cutoff at lights etc) No info!

    this suggests you should keep idling except for a good coast down hill for a mile or so plus (eg Jubilee Way A2 into Dover)

    nuff said???

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  • jahpete
    Love rating 0
    jahpete said

    Some people talk a load of junk. The dearest petrol around is Texaco, but all the cars I have ever owned run very badly on this fuel.

    Yes I use it for convenience if low on fuel, but never on a regular basis.

    I ran Shell, BP and National Benzole filling stations as a forecourt manager of 8 filling stations for a great number of years, but always found that my vehicles ran far better on some of the lesser known brands.

    I was also a motorcycle trials rider and found that the cheaper brands caused far less feathering of spark plugs than the major brands.

    The worst was always Cleveland Discol.

    Now that I am retired, I am sticking with ASDA as my first choice.

    Superb mpg, no problems starting. No Nectar points or Clubcard points, but superb performance.

    Second choice, BP. They still give me Nectar points, but if I fill up at a BP near to an ASDA, they match the price at ASDA, so I win both ways.

    Forget the Tesco and Sainsbury spend £50 offers, they always put the price of petrol up first.

    Also, I forgot to mention Morrisons.

    Never had a problem with their fuel. Always the best quality. Many more MPG, but a little way from where I live.

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  • samprice11
    Love rating 0
    samprice11 said

    Just to throw some real data into the discussion. I have data from 95 (unleaded) and 98 (premium unleaded) RON petrol samples taken from several forecourts across the country. They include: BP, Shell, Tesco, Texaco and Esso. There is expected variation from sample to sample but the key points from it showed:

    Tesco 95RON - Sodium = 1.1mg/kg vs. less than 0.1mg/kg for all other samples

    Tesco 98RON - Silicon = 0.6mg/kg vs. less than 0.1mg/kg from all other samples

    This was from a small data set of only 10 forecourts across the country so not very statistically relevant but does show that 2 out of 2 Tesco fuels had higher levels of inorganic components compared to all of the others.

    On a note from a previous poster commenting on Texaco fuel, one of their samples did show higher levels of "potential gums" vs. all other samples so maybe this is part of the issues experienced with their fuel? No doubt each provider has their own "special recipe" of additives and detergents that they add to the base fuel from the oil refineries and some engines may just be more sensitive than others to some of these variations in the fuel.

    Sam

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  • PoohBah
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    PoohBah said

    oldsoldier asked: "How often is the accuracy of filling station fuel pumps checked?"

    Trading Standards perform spot checks on the whole forecourt (for which the petrol station has to pay a fee), testing each nozzle for high and low volumes at high and low dispensing speed. Some small discrepancy is permitted - no metering system is perfect, after all - but this really is small and is not enough to lose any sleep over: less than an egg-cup in 25 litres. On the forecourts I managed, they usually attended about every six months.

    If a pump engineer has to make adjustments or repairs which involve breaking any of the official seals, that pump cannot be used again until Trading Standards have attended to test and re-seal the unit. This will often be arranged so that they are present when the work is completed, avoiding the possibility of an unsealed pump being accidentally (and illegally) used.

    It can happen that something will go wrong between checks; petrol stations are obliged to maintain detailed records of deliveries and sales, so that underground leaks are spotted quickly; significant under- or over-dispensing will show up here.

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  • mikewhit21
    Love rating 1
    mikewhit21 said

    Hi,

    You might want to update the end date on the Sainsbury's promotion (or even check there still is one).

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  • Donna Ferguson
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    Donna Ferguson said

    Oops, apologies for missing that Mike, and thanks for letting me know.

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  • tonygogo
    Love rating 13
    tonygogo said

    I realise this is slightly off the track, but can anyone tell me how much a 'petrol' garage charges for charging up an electric car? I can see electric cars becoming more popular (once the price comes down) but I'm guessing there's a battery-charging fee involved.

    Any ideas anyone?

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  • saverdan
    Love rating 0
    saverdan said

    Anyone that lives with easy reach of Sainsbury's can save 5% on their fuel & petrol everytime they visit with the Utility Warehouse Cashback Card.

    Unfortunately, this card only works for Sainsbury's for fuel, but it does include 5% off at a whole list of other shops.

    Just visit www.savedaily.co.uk and click on CashBack Card at the top right for full details.

    Doesn't work for Tesco, unfortunately!

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  • Dampflok
    Love rating 19
    Dampflok said

    A year ago I bought a 2003 Megane Scenic and discovered teh advantages of having an in-car computer that mpg since the last time it was reset. Almost overnight, I changed my driving habits as I realised how wasteful I had been with fuel. I do a lot of short (3 miles to the local shops and then home again). I drive completely on that mpg meter and have saved about a third on my previous fuel costs.

    Incidentally, £1.20 per litre is nothing new to us. When I was paying £1.35 for diesel petrol was somewhere around £1.28-£1.29. And there were some in the islands who weree paying nearly £2.00 When you consider that our nearest decent shopping centre is about 90 miles away, you can appreciate how lucky you lot down south are! But I still wouldn't go back.

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  • mfarmer67
    Love rating 0
    mfarmer67 said

    Hi,

    This is my first ever post, so I'm not sure which is the best forum to point this on.

    But I have to say I'm disgusted that lovemoney should be advertising Knowledge to Action in the email that was sent out this morning.

    The seminars may well be free to attend, but what about the contract that has to be signed which contains a very dodgy non-refundable £500 clause in it.

    Shame on lovemoney

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  • nickpike
    Love rating 270
    nickpike said

    One other thing I have remembered. My car has a 3.3 litre V6 aluminium engine, and the dealer told me not to use supermarket fuel. Perhaps on a small, unsophisticated engines, supermarket is ok.

    I used to test Shell oil products, and they were some of the best performers. I stick to Shell, BP and Esso.

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  • Meanmachine2
    Love rating 37
    Meanmachine2 said

    Being old enough I can remember that the old chestnut about water injection on the inlet manifold has come up about every 5 years since the 1950's. It all started when some bright spark reckoned that his car ran better when it was raining.

    With regards to Supermarket fuel, long ago I was told that if you respect your engine not to use it.

    The proof was a few years ago when my Wife filled up her car with petrol from Morrisons. The car lacked power would hardly climb hills, generally ran poorly and was only sorted out after she had used sufficient fuel so that she could top up with decent petrol and dilute the rubbish in the tank.

    With my V6 car recently for convienience I have been using a garage that sells a minor brand of fuel. When it went in for its MOT it only just passed on emmisions and the Garage reckoned that the Catalyzers were getting fouled up. Their recommendations, change fuel and take the car for a 20 mile run with 4000 RPM on the clock to clean the Cat.

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  • russpw100
    Love rating 2
    russpw100 said

    So here is a question (and an answer!).........For all those people who have to use their cars for business trips.......The government have held the maximum pence per mile for reclaiming without tax implication to 40p (for 1st 10,000 miles and 25p thereafter) This includes wear and tear, servicing and depreciation (in addition to fuel itself) - Whilst that figure was fair when it was introduced EIGHT YEARS AGO, (when petrol was 74p/litre) it is now completely inadequate to cover the overal cost of running a vehicle! - When will the chancellor do something about this? - PROBABLY never (because he likes to tax the motorist to death) and he will likely REDUCE the 10,000 miles to show that he is being "GREEN" - what I call "Green washing" the public!!

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  • nickpike
    Love rating 270
    nickpike said

    We conducted experiments during my engineering degree on water injection and it does improve consumption, and the engine ran smoother. Our conclusion was that water droplets gassed off which helped the mixing process between the air and fuel. High speed camera analysis of mixing and combustion shows that even modern engines are poor at achieving a full mixing of air and fuel. Anything to improve this makes a significant difference. I think the manufacturers could do more to optimise this aspect of engine performance.

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  • RGWALRUS
    Love rating 0
    RGWALRUS said

    Here in the northwest of scotland we are already paying £1.29.9 per ltr and have been for a few weeks,the government introduced new rules on the 14th Feb and now all deisel contains at least 10% bio fuel and so will all petrol shortly,so if you use any CDi injection system on your vehicle BEWARE you will have to start using a anti-waxing additive and a condensation inhibiter,or the build up of wax in your fuel pump and injectors will not only cost you MPG, but a lot more! RGWalrus

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  • MrPound
    Love rating 11
    MrPound said

    If you apply for the AA Rewards Credit card via Quidco, you get £28 cashback for being accepted - that's before you've even spent anything.

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