The scammer who visited me

Tony Levene
by Lovemoney Staff Tony Levene on 11 August 2010  |  Comments 22 comments

Tony Levene gets a visit from a scammer. But how does he know it's a scammer?

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Most deals that look too good to be true are too good to be true. Every scam watcher knows that.

So run a million miles from them. But a few almost unbelievable deals are for real.

A few years ago, I saw an advert in my local council magazine offering solar hot water panels and a wind turbine at £500 each.

It sounded fantasy but it was the council offering the green goodies so I applied – along with thousands of others in my area.

The wind turbine offer was fantasy. It was almost immediately withdrawn as the technology does not fit back gardens. But I was one of the fifty chosen for the solar roof panels.

Eighteen months later – council wheels grind slowly – the work was completed. I paid my £500.

The installers said the work was worth £5,000. So where did the balance come from? My benefactor was power company Scottish & Southern which subsidised the scheme as part of a green offset plan – more use than sending out millions of unwanted light bulbs.

How much do I save from this new source of hot water? I really don't know as there are variables including the number of people at home, gas costs, and, of course, the weather.

But I do know that, leaving aside the good green feeling, I have a good chance of recouping my £500 in a few years. However, had I paid the economic price, then I would be talking about 30 to 40 years (assuming power prices stay unchanged).

Despite having these panels, I get loads of salesfolk knocking at the door trying to sell me solar panels. I invited one (who had not even bothered to look upwards to the roof) in.

He assured me I would never have to pay for water heating again (not true as the panels offer little in winter) before quoting me £12,000 – or £10,000 if I signed up there and then. This “drop close” is an old trick beloved of double glazing and home improvement sales staff.

Don’t fall for this trick

Even at £10,000, the payback period is some six decades. And that's not counting maintenance or eventual replacement of the panels, controller or special water tank.

These companies often target retired people but even their grandchildren may not benefit.

Trading standards departments have shut down some companies. And others have gone bust. Still, the same people re-emerge like versions of a latter day phoenix, ready the recycle the same sales tricks on more unsuspecting victims who want to make the planet a little greener.

Legitimate offers

So what to make of a new variety of deals from firms such as Homesun and A Shade Greener? These offer installations of photo voltaic panels (these generate electricity rather than heat water like mine) to suitable homes, generally those with large south-facing roofs.

The important difference here is these installations are free. In return for lending your roof for 25 years to these companies – and there will be others coming into the market – you get the electricity they generate at no charge. Using a smart meter shows what you generate and what you need to buy from your electricity supplier.

So what's in it for the installers who spend about £10,000 per house? They expect to profit over the 25 years from the government's new “feed-in tariff” scheme which pays a generous price per kilowatt to small scale green electricity generators. The installer keeps the money – estimated at 5 to 8% of its investment each year. You get the power.

And even if the installer goes bust, your contract will probably be sold to another firm. Failing that, you get to keep everything.

If there is a major downside to this, I must confess I have not found it!

What do you think?

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Comments (22)

  • eLJay
    Love rating 76
    eLJay said

    Firstly the lifespan for the panels is only about 25 years, so there is no return on the investment.

    Photo Voltaics are really inefficient, I'm waiting for ones that work with UV which is more reliable over more lighting conditions and more of the year which should make them produce more power. If the Japanese perfect spray on clear UV then your entire house facing the sun can become a solar collector. You are probably wiser buying a small panel to charge mobile phones and other devices as it is more likely to pay you back (some are also fitted on backpacks to travel with you).

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  • FIATcurrency
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    FIATcurrency said

    Badly researched and ill informed, showing a total lack of understanding of the subject and lacking any analysis of the current FIT tariffs and yearly returns for customers.

    The distinction between between solar water heating panels, as fitted on Tony Levene's roof, and solar electric panels was not made sufficiently clear. The quoted 10k installation cost estimate for (which?) system is also misleading. A genuine " 60 year payback period" would clearly be unsustainable for companies that are now offering 25 year leases on 'free' pv installs.

    "How much do I save from this new source of hot water?" A comparison of average annual consumption figures, before and after installling solar water heating panels would have been useful here. Even with fluctuating energy requirements, there should have been a measureable difference.

    "The important difference here is these installations are free" Wrong. The important difference here is between heating water and generating electric. The electric generated by pv solar panels can be sold back to the grid via FIT feed in tariff. Customers with the means to buy panels themselves can also benefit from the FIT scheme and potentially make bigger returns.

    "(assuming power prices stay unchanged)." Again a very bad assumption to make, every indicator predicts sharp rises in uk power costs within the next five years. This year alone British Gas increased their energy prices by 16-18%.

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