QROPS: the overseas pension scam to avoid

Tony Levene
by Lovemoney Staff Tony Levene on 06 October 2012  |  Comments 9 comments

Scammers may promise to boost your pension by moving it overseas through a QROPS. But they may not be legitimate.

QROPS: the overseas pension scam to avoid

It used to be that my dodgy calls were all at home where, at least, I could take some details. But one firm at least has my mobile. I can't write notes when I'm in the street.  Nor can I, as many do, reject these “unknown number” calls – it could be the offer of work from a big company via a switchboard.

This call was from “Gregg” claiming to be a “city broker” (whatever that means). I told him – in all honesty – that I could not deal with him. I was shopping in Oxford Street.

He called again – after a gap of three weeks which is about par for this sort of firm – and found me at home.  Now I could devote Gregg some serious time.

“Did I have a pension plan?” he asked me. I do.

“And are you happy with the performance?”  As no one is ever happy with our high cost, unlikely to beat a child picking stocks with a pin, pension companies, my honest answer was “no”.

“So would you like a pension plan with outstanding results and a gift of £2,500 in cash in your pocket as well?”

A better pension fund? And money to spend as well? It would be a resounding yes if this did not smell like something that was just too good to be true.

Still, while I had no intention of handing over my sparse pension fund to a cold caller, I pushed him for details. All I had to do was to transfer my fund to a new management company.

Cream of the QROPS

And who and where was that?  “It's based in the Seychelles for maximum tax savings. And because our partner in the Seychelles has lower costs than the expensive company you are now using, we can make this cash rebate. It would be even more if your fund was bigger or you had more than one fund,” Gregg said.

As far as I know, the Seychelles is outside the UK regulatory system, so I would be taking a big risk. But Gregg assured me that my money would be safe in the Seychelles and would be in something called “QROPS” so I could get all money out of the plan when I wanted, tax free, and would not be forced to buy an annuity.

QROPS stands for Qualifying Recognised Overseas Pension Scheme. It was set up some decades ago, primarily for UK pension holders who were emigrating to Australia, New Zealand or South Africa where retirement income rules are different. But more recently the scheme was sold to others as a way around UK tax rules.

This abuse has led to HMRC and FSA action.

Making money from bio-fuels

As I am not emigrating, I don't qualify but this did not stop Gregg. I asked him then about the superior returns he was offering.

“It's all based on timber investment and returns from bio-fuels,” he assured me. “The world has a high demand for these products and the United Nations is going to make it a law that a third of diesel has to come from bio-plants.”

I am not sure if the United Nations can make laws, but I know bio-fuels are controversial because they take up land that could be used to grow food. More importantly, bio-fuel plantations have been an active scam for the very simple reason that, even if they exist, they are almost impossible to value. You need substantial expertise to work out what any land producing an agricultural crop is worth – let alone something new like bio-fuels.

I tried to ask Gregg where the timber and land would be but he was vague, saying he would have to consult his manager first. Because I have no idea of the real cost of what I would be buying, it's clear that I could be charged almost anything, making it easy to give me the £2,500 – it would be my own money back. It is also easy to promise an attractive first- and second-year return – if you charge double or treble the price, then it is simple to offer 15% a year by returning part of the investor's over-payment.

I declined his offer. I may never hear from “city broker” Gregg again. But now my mobile is on the list, there will almost certainly be others chasing my tiny pension pot.

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Comments (9)

  • Skintsod
    Love rating 32
    Skintsod said

    You have to admire the ingenuity of scammers. They're always good for a laugh. They catch the greedy and the dishonest. You don't have to try to work out whether this is genuine.

    Being cold-called (automatic rejection) on your mobile (automatic rejection) by someone you don't know (automatic rejection) representing a company you've never heard of (automatic rejection) offering a service far too enticing (automatic rejection) using tax avoidance/evasion (automatic rejection) and asking any personal questions (automatic rejection) whilst attempting to take control of your money (automatic rejection) is enough. How many reasons to tell them to get stuffed does one need?

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  • muira
    Love rating 30
    muira said

    i personally would let them,,and move there myself to be re-united with it

    this goverment is filling their pockets with mine

    if you can,t beat them join them in the tax haven!!!

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  • imbythesea
    Love rating 0
    imbythesea said

    'Scammers....may not be legitimate'. I for one didn't know that. Thanks for telling me.

    'I was shopping in Oxford Street'. Many towns and cities have an Oxford Street. Why not tell us which town or city's Oxford Street you were shopping in or are we ..ahem.. just supposed to assume?

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  • fenemore
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    fenemore said

    Just like you I would have suspected "scam" before the guy finished his first sentence.

    This technique must occasionally work or they wouldn't keep trying. Although I suspect the victims are not asking themselves one simple question...

    ...why would someone go to the trouble of phoning you out of the blue to persuade you of this beneficial move? Could it be that he just wants to ensure you enjoy a comfortable retirement? Maybe he couldn't sleep at night knowing there are people out there who DON'T know this?

    The answer is obious, and it has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with your welfare.

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  • Steviebaby1959
    Love rating 28
    Steviebaby1959 said

    Haha, you made me laugh with your response, skintsod, very good.

    I had one of these types of calls a few months ago, the cold caller asked me if I had a Pension Plan and I stated I had accumulated 5 over my working life, he asked me why I had so many and I answered because I don't like to have all of my eggs in one basket, he then asked me if I'd like to move them all into 1 Pension Fund in The Maldives, I said no thank you, he asked why, and I said because I don't like to have all of my eggs in one basket, I then asked him where he obtained my cellphone number from and he stated it must have been from a Financial Services Agency, I said, oh, well that is quite possible, to which he responded if I had any association with anything financial and I replied by telling him that I was a Tax Inspector for H.M. Revenue and Customs, the line went very dead all of a sudden......

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  • HappyHacker
    Love rating 18
    HappyHacker said

    I am sorry I cannot see the difference between the scheme offered and many of the UK regulated pension schemes. You give them your money and if you are lucky they give you part of it back

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  • mambach
    Love rating 33
    mambach said

    Skintsod; I suspect the reason Mr Levene is happy to talk to these people is for this blog. I for one don't gamble and therefore do not have a pension, so I'm safe for this one.But I'm grateful for heads-up on some of the others - and they are highly entertaining..

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  • StFual
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    StFual said

    I was offered an investment in Asian Plantations by phone. First i was told they were regulated by the FSA. When i check and found out they were not I was told " dont be silly how could plantation investments be regulated by the FSA and anyway regulation is always behind on the best investments. Regulation is for cowards" !!. I never did find out what i would be investing in and which company, in which country would have my money and what legal jurisdiction that would operate under. Apparently asking those questions disqualified me from being suitable for this kind of alternative investment as I had a "low" risk profile.

    To those considering these kind of investments let me give you an alternative. Give me all your money now and I will give you 50% back immediately . This is 50% more than you will get from carbon credits, landbanking, gold schemes and plantations and you wont have to wait 3 - 5 years to find out you've lost your money.

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  • electricblue
    Love rating 643
    electricblue said

    I'd avoid anything with an acronym which doesn't work.....

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