This scam is just a simple confidence trick

Tony Levene
by Lovemoney Staff Tony Levene on 23 June 2012  |  Comments 16 comments

This scam uses the impression of success and peer-to-peer pressure to con you into handing over your cash.

This scam is just a simple confidence trick

When I answered my front door, I found a nondescript woman in her late 20s. She was holding some paperwork. She was not smart enough to be selling (or mis-selling) electricity and gas – they all wear sharper clothing.

After a few polite words, she announced that she was about to go on a 5km sponsored walk. By the look of her, fifty metres might have been a stretch but I did not share that thought.

Naturally, I asked more. She told me that she is doing the walk for cancer – I assumed she meant cancer research or relief – and that she had already raised £3,900.

Alarm bells ring

The sum raised my eyebrows. I know plenty of people who have undertaken marathons, triathlons and 50km walks for charity. I have been on sponsored cycle rides – I do one every year for Leukaemia Research. I once managed over £2,500, but that involved a number of companies kindly backing me.

It would be tough raising £390, let alone £3,900 for what is really just a Sunday afternoon stroll in the park.

She was obviously eager not to waste time, and for me to sign her form. So I looked at it. It was a grubby photocopy headed not with a charity, but with NHS. Now I know the state health system has to make cutbacks but it is not in such dire straits that it is forced to do door-to-door sponsorship appeals.

Before I could say no, she said it would speed things up if I gave her the money there and then. She told me that all my neighbours had kindly agreed and had given her £10 or £20.

This was so obviously a scam – she would just keep the money (and the 5kms would be the door-to-door collecting!) - that I sent her on her way. But she would probably try neighbours with the same story.

Confidence tricks

This swindle relied on:

  • people being kindly disposed towards charity
  • the impression of success – the £3,900
  • peer-group pressure – my neighbours had (so she said) already agreed.

It was a confidence trick and, except in the amount, not far different from the Ponzi banking scheme which saw disgraced banker Allen Stanford convicted of fraud last week.

His Panama-based Stanford International Bank had ripped off £5 billion from an estimated 17,000 victims who have little chance of getting more than a few percentage points of their money back.

Aged 62, he was sentenced to 110 years in prison by a US court to ensure he spends the rest of his days behind bars even if he got time off for good behaviour. The prosecutor wanted 230 years, again an absurd number, but one that sends a message.

Like Bernie Madoff, Stanford operated a Ponzi scheme. He offered great returns on deposits and other investments but could only pay out those wanting a withdrawal with new money coming in. In common with all such plans, the fresh cash starts to dry up, everyone suddenly wants their money back and discovers that there is nothing in the kitty.

Like Madoff, Stanford led a high society life. Stanford's passion was cricket and he financed many a team and tournament, especially in the Caribbean, with his ill-gotten gains. He famously helicoptered into Lords with a case full of dollar bills, seeking to sign up English cricket stars for a 20-20 tournament in the West Indies. And infamously, he was pictured with some of the wives of the players sitting on his knee.

Who could believe that someone who both fraternised with, and patronised, the highest officials of a game renowned for fair play could be a crook?

He relied on the public being well disposed to sport, the impression of success, and peer-group pressure as he could list all manner of celebrities who had apparently done business with him. Other than a row of noughts, he was little different in the way he gained confidence from the woman at my door.

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Comments (16)

  • RichardSowler
    Love rating 17
    RichardSowler said

    Come to think of it, the UK State Pension is a giant Ponzi scheme: totally unfunded. 230 years for the Minister for Work and Pensions perhaps?

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  • fenemore
    Love rating 205
    fenemore said

    A sign of the times perhaps? Your doorstep visitor would no doubt justify her actions by simply saying "everybody is at - why shouldn't I?"

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  • CuNNaXXa
    Love rating 362
    CuNNaXXa said

    Actually, the UK state pension scheme is well thought out. We pay our way today, and look after those who can't, and then when we can't look after ourselves, someone else looks after us.

    The whole socialist system works on the simple fact that those able to look after those not able to, or those who have given their lives to support such a system.

    Also remember that many don't even reach pensionable age, or die shortly into their pensionable age, so while some pensioners are living longer, many people who pay their taxes and contributions will never get the chance to enjoy their twilight years.

    I am sick of seeing pensioners knocked. While there may be the odd shirker, the majority of pensioners have spent almost all their lives paying their due, and if they are not allowed to benefit from a little bit of leisure time before they die, then what is the point in living at all?

    If the pension system doesn't work, we have only one group to blame, which are the greedy MPs and the financiers that back them. They get rich on the backs of the poor, and make patronising comments about how we should have made provisions for our futures.

    I am in my late 40's, and have several pension pots. Most have been raided over the years, resulting in pots that will be almost worthless when I retire. So, I have effectively been pugging money away so that some fat git can live a life of luxury in the Caribbean (fund manager).

    The only sure thing any pensioner has is the knowledge that the state will keep them when they retire. After all, who can blame a pensioner for wanting help, when there are plenty of twenty something who have numerous kids wanting state handouts. If we can give some teenager who has got pregnant accommodation and benefits, then why not someone who has invested in our society.

    Let the young look after themselves for once, and encourage a bit of responsibility, instead of encouraging them to rely on state baby sitting. The elderly, who are probably the most vulnerable of our society, need that help.

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  • johncnuttall
    Love rating 9
    johncnuttall said

    The UK pension scheme is far from well thought out, it is, in fact, a Ponzi scheme. A well thought out scheme would take contributions from the tax payers, invest the money on their behalf and ensure that they get it when they retire. Instead, the government takes the money and spends it hoping that they can take enough from working people at the pensioners' retirement date to fund all the pensions. Unfortunately, this scam collapses when, as will soon be the case, the demographics mean that there is one pensioner for every working person in the country an obviously unsustainable burden on those paying tax.

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  • hopefultom
    Love rating 43
    hopefultom said

    @johncnuttall

    As long as successive governments allow/encourage unfettered immigration we remain a long way from your proposed parity of one worker per pensioner.

    I agree that it is a long term problem ( not just for this country ) but it has been kicked into the long grass by this government, who have no empathy with the likes of you and me, and never will have.

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  • naterbox
    Love rating 12
    naterbox said

    The UK pension scheme would be in better shape if all tax avoidance/evasion schemes were made illegal. I would like to see everyone who uses these schemes to have to pay upfront if/when they need to use our police force, the NHS or anything at all which is funded by OUR taxes, including the road network. If you don't pay in you can't expect to benefit.

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  • electricblue
    Love rating 643
    electricblue said

    Some really naive comments and a lot of pointless venom. The fact is that even the best tax avoider is going to pay a hell of a lot more into the UK tax 'pot' than anyone who has commented so far, if they are resident here in the UK. Jimmy Carr didn't get his Bentley tax free, someone paid a hell of a chunk of VAT on that car and doubtless the car is taxed and insured too. Many of the current 'immigrants' into the UK are working damn hard and paying taxes. The changing demographic of the population does not make pensions or the successive governments a scam, if it can be said in the UK, goodness knows what the Japanese are heading for.

    Empathy with the population? The fat crook Prescott is on a whacking pension and in his seventies but wanting to get a job in a totally fabricated roll supervising the Police Authority locally, at over £70K a year. Socialist politicians and empathy? Pull the other one.

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  • CuNNaXXa
    Love rating 362
    CuNNaXXa said

    Yeah, but don't compare so-called socialist politicians with those who hold true social values. Remember that MPs will lie to us, telling us what we want to hear. Just because an MP says that they are a left wing Labour supporter doesn't mean that they are a left wing Labour supporter. All they are interested in is getting your vote, so that they can ride the Gravy Train.

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  • Klawman
    Love rating 17
    Klawman said

    @electricblue

    I'm so glad Jimmy Carr paid VAT on his Bentley and taxed and insured it. Wow. What a hero. That completely makes up for the (approximately) £1,300,000 income tax he didn't pay.

    Not that I paid VAT on my car, nor road tax nor insurance, of course. Nobody else does, other than Jimmy Carr, do they?

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  • electricblue
    Love rating 643
    electricblue said

    @Klawman

    The fact that those who choose to be resident in the UK pay a fortune into the economy in indirect taxation, whatever they don't pay in income tax, clearly escapes you. Jimmy Carr could easily be resident in Gibraltar or the Isle of Man and pay even less tax. The UK also is one of few countries where lottery and similar winnings don't attract tax.

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  • Mike10613
    Love rating 599
    Mike10613 said

    The Bank of England constantly devalues money and so the only way some investments can work is as a Ponzi scheme and the same applies to pensions. This scammer is only copying what governments and big business do all the time, but on a smaller scale. This is life in the 21st century, just about everyone is on the fiddle. The more they fiddle, the more they resent the people like this woman who appear to get a few quid illegally. The fact is if the venom in these comments wasn't regularly directed at unemployed people they might be treated fairer at the Jobcentre and be less inclined to commit crime. When people have their benefit stopped for flimsy reasons, often on the say so of Atos Healthcare they sometimes have no choice but to resort to crime in order to eat. They also tend to fall victim to other predators like Wonga; the loan sharks allowed by law.

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  • Skintsod
    Love rating 32
    Skintsod said

    I often have trouble telling capitalism and socialism apart. However, I now think I've got it nailed.

    The Capitalist political dogma:

    1. Line your pockets

    2. Help your friends to do likewise

    3. Deflect attention from your money grabbing activities by shouting loudly about the benefit culture under socialism and the need for individual responsibility. Take a high moral tone on tax dodgers in case you get lumped in with your friends who are all at it.

    4. Line your pockets

    The Socialist political dogma:

    1. Line your pockets

    2. Help your friends to do likewise

    3. Deflect attention from your money grabbing activities by shouting loudly about the plight of the poor under capitalism and the need for a huge welfare safety net with everyone benefiting. Take a high moral tone on tax dodgers in case you get lumped in with your friends who are all at it.

    4. Line your pockets

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  • hopefultom
    Love rating 43
    hopefultom said

    @electricblue

    " Socialist politicians and empathy? Pull the other one "

    Who mentioned socialist politicians? Why, when you read criticism of this government do you jump to the conclusion that the writer is a socialist, or Labour supporter?

    IMHO Her Majesty's official opposition party, Labour ( who are most definately not socialist ) are a bunch of incompetent muppets led by a well-meaning nodding dog.

    I note that your posting was made round about 9:00 AM so, I guess that you may have been distracted by a customer on your car-boot pitch, which would explain how you managed to read something into my comments which wasn't there.

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  • electricblue
    Love rating 643
    electricblue said

    @hopefultom

    I didn't assume anything about your politics but when you said 'this government' there was a clear implication that other governments had empathy. I find the current and recent Labour shower far more culpable than the Tories because I think the Tories have been mostly well meaning, but out of touch and incompetent because of their social class and personal experiences. Scum like Prescott and Blair knew full well what it meant to be working class and then proceeded to urinate on their origins throughout their careers.

    I'd be interested to know which politicians other posters think do hold real social values, I'm struggling to think of any myself who actually know the truth of normal family life in this country, although Diane Abbot sprang to mind as being particularly genuine.

    Too busy for car boot, I'm afraid. Day job and lousy weather make it a waste of time right now.

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  • electricblue
    Love rating 643
    electricblue said

    'People have benefits stopped and resorting to crime in order to eat' . Mike - you often utter total nonsense, but how about you give us one example where this has been used as a defence in legal proceedings or what part of your fantastic knowledge of society this gem comes from. Current health assessments for benefit stink and there have been unfair cases, but we all know people on benefit who shouldn't be and the government has, with the usual clumsiness that all governments have, tried to do something about it. People I know personally have had medical accidents in hospital and things have gone wrong, but I don't conclude that the NHS sets out to kill people.

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  • hopefultom
    Love rating 43
    hopefultom said

    @electricblue

    I agree with you about the sparcity of current politicians holding real social values.

    Sorry, but I cannot agree about Diane Abbot; she says one thing about education, but does another when it comes to her own family ( a precedent set by Blair ? )

    The Stranglers got it just about right; " no more heroes "

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