Don't fall for this pathetic lottery rip-off

Tony Levene
by Lovemoney Staff Tony Levene on 12 May 2012  |  Comments 15 comments

The chances of winning a top prize in this ridiculous rip-off are almost 68 million to one!

Don't fall for this pathetic lottery rip-off

My friendly postman – he literally goes the extra mile to be super-helpful so I can't name him or he'll be sacked for inefficiency – delivers an envelope marked “Private – Strictly Confidential” and “Urgent”.

That normally signifies some ambulance-chasing lawyer threatening me for writing the truth about their newly-acquired scam client. But here the urgency is such that there is only a second class stamp while the effect of the “Strictly Confidential” bit is spoilt because the sender has misspelt my name.

Throwing away money

Inside there is just one piece of paper – generally senders of the usual scam mail pack the envelope with as much paper as they can – and it is very direct and to the point.

“Can you afford to throw away £20,000?” is the opening sentence. Well, the obvious answer is “no”. I am not in the habit of chucking away all those tenners and twenties into the nearest rubbish bin. In fact, I pick up odd coins I see on the ground. You can't accuse me of waste.

But, apparently, according to the “confirmations manager” who signed the letter, “seven recipients have already done that”.

How does the sender of this random second class letter know whether I have £20,000 to throw away? She doesn't. So how does she know about others who have binned £20,000?

It seems that they each threw away the letter this kind lady had sent out – and these would have given them £20,000 each. It cannot be a case of simply missing a cheque that was in the envelope, as I have another look and it's empty.

Now let's rephrase the opening question. It should read: “Can you afford to waste six minutes of your time listening to a boring phone message which could cost you at least £9.18 and which gives you a chance in many millions to win £20,000?”

Winning the lottery

This “promotion” is one of those “pre-ordained lotteries” where the winning numbers are created first, and then locked away in a vault.

With the National Lottery, you choose your numbers and then watch to see if those balls with your options come out of the machine. But here, they give you a number and you are expected to spend £9.18 on a premium rate £1.53 a minute 09 line (that's the BT rate – it can be more, much more from a mobile although there is a text option at up to £9.30). Doing this will find out if your number matches those already pre-selected, enabling you to then be issued with a claim number.

What are the odds of finding a winner? The letter does not say. But my number consists of five numerals so that's one in 99,999 possibilities to start with. Then there is a letter from the alphabet – so multiply that by 26 to give 2,599,974 – and then a second letter so multiply again by 26. The possible combinations are 67,599,324.

There is one £20,000 prize so my chance of winning is one in 67,599,324.

There are some other prizes. There are twenty prizes of between £5,000 and £100, 1,000 prizes of £50 and 10,000 of £25. These reduce the odds but there are still 67,588,303 losing alpha-numerical combinations. I am not that entranced by this to gamble nearly £10 on the slight chance of winning £25 – and the even slimmer odds against a higher prize.

You can enter for free

There is another option. I can send a stamped addressed envelope to an address which promises me a free entry. But by the time the letter arrives – remember this is super-slow snail mail – I only have a few days to think about this as postal entries take up to 28 days to process and the closing date is little more than a month away.

Still, there are consolation awards if my unique number is one of the 67,588,303 which do not have a prize attached. The letter does not reveal what it is. But it does say that if I have a non-winning number, I shall “qualify for an amazing gift”. Now just what could that be? Probably a non-precious stone ring or a rubbish camera or a throwaway pen.

This type of draw is not illegal under present legislation.

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Comments (15)

  • richmcd
    Love rating 1
    richmcd said

    What?? I agree that it's a waste of money and people should stay well clear, but your maths is surely missing your own point: that the winning combination is PRE-PICKED from the ones mailed out, making this much closer to a raffle than a lottery. Because of that, there's no way of even remotely knowing what the odds are.

    The number of possible printed entries is irrelevant, because there's no guarantee that:

    a) Every single combination has been covered

    b) They aren't sending out duplicates

    Assuming that there's exactly one winning entry, then your odds are 1/(the number of tickets mailed out). That's a number you can never find out, but I'd wager it was well under a million.

    Look at it this way: imagine that your envelope contained either the letter A or the letter B. If you find the A you win. Now your odds aren't 1 in 2 just because there are only two possibilities. If they send out 1 A and 999,999 Bs then your odds are 1 in a million.

    The same goes here. Just because your code looks long and random, it doesn't mean that everyone else hasn't received the exact same (losing) one. You simply can't know the odds. In fact they might be zero (if it's a real scam, then there's no reason why they can't just post the winning combination to their friend, or simply make sure it gets lost).

    I'm all for keeping people informed about scams but sloppy thinking helps no-one.

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  • mikecunliffe
    Love rating 22
    mikecunliffe said

    Slightly unrelated to the article but following on from richmcd's post, based upon my experience in developing software for a bingo/lottery game some years ago I would suggest you buy lucky-dip tickets for the National Lottery and do so on the day of the draw they pertain to.

    If I were involved in the software for N.Lottery (I'm not by the way) I'd generate the lucky dip numbers overnight whilst the network/till system is "quiet" and I'd do so based upon current entries for the draw. In my opinion it's in the interests of the N.Lottery to have a single, jackpot winner.

    By ensuring the lucky dip numbers that are generated are unique given the entries placed so far this increases the chance of a single winner. Of course, a punter might pick, by choice, the same pattern of numbers on a Saturday as one generated on the, say, the Friday evening generation process. That's why it's best to buy on the day of the draw as this minimises this duplication chance to just the one day.

    As I said though - I have NOT been involved in the National Lottery so this IS only my opinion.

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  • akc
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    akc said

    Many years ago in the espionage series Callan the informer was told he would be paid through a 'Win' on the premium bonds.

    Any bet where the selection of the winner or winning number is behind closed doors is

    on the trust that the system is honost.

    Invitations to lotteries etc from strangers are best avoided.

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  • yocoxy
    Love rating 132
    yocoxy said

    Tony's point is still valid. This is a legal scam. Buying a lottery ticket for almost ten pounds where the 'jackpot' is 20,000 and the chances of winning likely to be much less than 2,000 - 1 is more about the operators generating high margin revenue than giving their players a good chance of winning.

    I'd be very surprised if the 'lucky dip' numbers generated by a lottery terminal are anything more than a random selection of six numbers. Tweaking the software to decrease duplicate winners sounds unlikely and frankly an attempt to deliberately mislead players who aren't informed that the process is not random.

    The best way to get a unique combination is to select a large number of numbers over 31 so that you don't clash with all this people selecting birthdays or spreading their numbers thought the range. That way you increase the likelihood of an unshared win but there is no way to change the odds of having a winning ticket. You want a higher chance of winning? Buy more tickets. Want to avoid losing? Don't buy any.

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  • richmcd
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    richmcd said

    @yocoxy I agree that Tony's warning is a good one. I'm certainly not trying to defend the operators of these horrible raffles.

    But, like so many of his articles, he starts with a good point and then wastes the majority of his wordcount laboriously demonstrating that he actually doesn't fully understand what he's talking about. It doesn't engender much confidence.

    I'd also be surprised if the Lucky Dips were anything other than truly random. The risk of scandal surely doesn't outweigh the minimal change in the number of shared wins?

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  • electricblue
    Love rating 643
    electricblue said

    Most of us with any sort of email profile get tens of scam emails a week. What are the odds of us turning that into an interesting article? Just be vigilant and use your common sense, folks. If greed rules your emotions then you aren't paranoid; the scammers really are out to get you.

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  • GaryDean
    Love rating 56
    GaryDean said

    With anything like this we dealing with people we have little or no contact with & who we certainly don't know. We can only take their word for it that there is any prize at all or that the whole thing is genuine. And to think BT make money out of this reveals their true colours & motives. Best avoided.

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  • nbrus
    Love rating 1
    nbrus said

    They'll probably keep sending out the letters even after the big prizes have all been won ... probably by a family member or relative.

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  • HopefulB
    Love rating 0
    HopefulB said

    I received an email the other week, from an address in Holland, saying I had won over a £1 million! Brainless! They will try anything. It soon went into my phishing/junk folder.

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  • trevmarks
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    trevmarks said

    From memory you used to be able to check the details of winnings on different makes of scratchy cards, thus at least be aware of the current odds etc before buying a ticket. Interesting comment about the timing of when to buy a lottery ticket as well. For interest sake what current means of gambling statistically has the best odds to win?

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  • PDB11
    Love rating 72
    PDB11 said

    The only reliable way to make money from gambling is to get a job at the casino.

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  • Mike10613
    Love rating 599
    Mike10613 said

    I had one of these once. It was from Reader's Digest and I returned it. I didn't tick a box that said I didn't want the book and they tried to charge me for it. I had threats from their debt collectors and then a solicitors letter. I replied to their solicitor and pointed out that such threats were illegal and they and the debt collectors had broken the law and could be fined. I suggested they advise their clients accordingly.

    I kept the unsolicited book.

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  • sludgeguts
    Love rating 55
    sludgeguts said

    With RD tat, I always scan the paperwork for unique identifying numbers & tear them off. The rest of the paperwork gets crammed into the 'yes' envelope & promptly posted back - sans stamp.

    They used to send me ridiculous books (where the heck did they get my details from?) along with details of how to pay for it etc etc. I simply put the paperwork back into an envelope & told them I didn't want the book & that it was sat on my doorstep awaiting collection at their earliest convenience. I gave them a week to collect or i would assume they didn't want it & it would go to charity shop. It took them a while before they stopped sending tat - I was even threatened with debt collectors. amazing really as I had no debt, but I told them to send the debt collectors round anyway & they could pick up the huge pile of unsolicited books.

    It's been a few years without a word but suddenly I am back in their millionnaire's draw - and in the final six, without entering any other stage. I consider myself the luckiest person alive!

    As to how these random draws etc operate, I used to work at a day centre where over 100 people attended (150 including all staff & associated visitors).

    My RD letter (with my name listed as one of the six in the final draw) was sent out to many, many more people, at one point, I had 12 copies of the same letter but with a different name at the same position in the draw.

    With things like SunBingo and Mirror Bingo, I had hundreds of bingo tickets. Although each ticket was slightly different, the way numbers were published meant that every ticket was waiting for just 1 number (at least) and every week, a handful of numbers were never published - of course, it was these that were printed over all the tickets.

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  • CuNNaXXa
    Love rating 362
    CuNNaXXa said

    The only easy money is funded from mugging, breaking and entering, or robbing a bank, but all three are highly illegal, and will probably result in a custodial sentence.

    Easy money is a myth. While some people do win the National or Euro Lottery, the majority win bugger all, or small amounts less than what they invest in the first place.

    I suppose some people do win, but the vast majority don't.

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  • amwell44
    Love rating 39
    amwell44 said

    I had a similar experience with RD. I got so fed up with them sending me stuff, for years and years, that I replied "Yes" to everything, let them send me lots of useless, overpriced books and then waited to see that I hadn't won anything, again, before cancelling my subs, in writing x 3 and requesting return labels for the books. The labels never arrived, so in the end, I had to shell out £20 to return the lot, as I was going overseas. When I got back, after 3 months, there was a debt collector's letter waiting, but it only took one 'phone call to shake them off and I believe I have finally got my name off RD's "customer" database, which will save trees. They are a public menace and as I stated in my letters, I believe their "Prize Draws" are bogus.

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