Turning the tables on the scammers

Tony Levene
by Lovemoney Staff Tony Levene on 14 April 2012  |  Comments 23 comments

What happens when you play along with a scammer? One lovemoney.com reader did just that!

Turning the tables on the scammers

If you've got a spare moment, why not have some fun at a scamster's expense? That's just what lovemoney.com reader Ken Squires from Portsmouth did.

He received an email saying William Squires died in mysterious circumstances in a remote part of China leaving $17.5 million. His letter told him he was the sole remaining relative – and would inherit this fortune.

Ken knew it was nonsense. He had read my lovemoney.com article some weeks ago about my own experience and the comments that attracted. My letter mentioned the very non-existent William Levene, so all that had changed was the surname. And if that wasn't enough, Ken knew there was no William and he comes from a big family so he could not be a sole remaining relative.

Playing along

Ken tells me: “Rather than send the email to the trash folder or tell the guy to take a hike, I thought I would play along with him. I showed interest. He sent pictures of a family purporting to be his, he told me he had an illness in the family and could I pray for his granddaughter?”

The swindler (who signed himself Kia) wrote: “At this stage I have exclusive access to the files of Late William. In order to perfect the smooth transfer to your custody of these assets I have secured the services of a solicitor in China. His only task in this transaction is prepare and back date legal documents introducing you as the sole beneficiary to this funds i.e. Affidavit of testament of WILL including probate letters stating you as beneficiary as well as next of kin and sole executor to his estate (which includes cash).

"Upon completion of documents, these documents will be put in late William’s  file and presented to my bank for verification and immediate action. Based on my ground work and meticulous planning there should be little or no difficulty with approval granted on funds. My bank approve and then authorization given to the Dalian Bank to make payment to you.”

Cracking English, I'm sure you'll agree.

Building a rapport

Ken played the "I want to get to know you as a friend" card and built up a relationship. This was what the swindler was hoping for, but Ken kept firing off questions about the person's family, home and friends while answering any sent back in as bland a way as possible. Ken says he surprised himself how good at it he was.

“He kept emphasising how everything had to be kept very confidential. He gave me a phone number that always led to an answering machine.”

And Kia made it clear that Ken had to follow instructions carefully or the project would be aborted. But if he did as he was told, he would soon be very rich.

Kia wrote: “This business has been conceived over time and all have been painstakingly worked out to perfection so success is achieved without complications or litigations coming our way. You on your part need to follow and adhere to my every instruction and do exactly as I will advice for success to be gained. This is non negotiable my friend as we go into partnership.”

Fraudsters playing the Nigerian letter scam tend to be patient. Ken's would-be scamster didn't ask him immediately for money for the solicitors - – Ken had made it clear he was hard up. Kia said he had mortgaged some land to raise the money for legal fees. Of course, this was all lies, but it helps build the relationship with the potential victim.

The plot thickens...

By now, the scamster really believed Ken was eating out of his hand. So using the headed notepaper of a legitimate Chinese bank, the would-be racketeer sent Ken a letter headed “Application for Inheritance Claims on deceased account”. This told him he would have to report to the head office of the “Financial Service Authorities China” in Hong Kong (there is no such organisation) for the “mandatory signing” or he could use “the services of a Central Bank of China/FSA registered and accredited local independent legal consultant to carry out the endorsement.”

Ken said: “Sorry, can't make Hong Kong”. The next day the “bank” sent him details of his legal adviser – a real firm whose identity had been stolen. A day or two later, the phoney lawyers sent an email which pointed out that “our esteemed firm” had “35 years' experience in dealing with inheritance claims” and had “a 99.5% success rate”.

Now the financial demands started. It was $6,000 for legal fees and another $4,000 for “FSA verification.” But Kia made it clear that the money was to go to the bank, not him. Of course, the bank account quoted belongs to the fraudsters.

Desperation sets in

Ken had no intention of sending anything. Kia's emails started to sound a bit desperate.

There was this:

Dear Friend,

I hope that you are well. I have tried calling and could not get through to you  .I was calling to find out what situation from you and how far you have done. I even left for you a message. Please keep me informed as you progress. I hope that you are updating the consultant as well.

Thanks and regards, Kia

Ken replied:

Hi Kia,  

Attached are letters received from the Bank. I have written to the solicitor asking him to act on my behalf, so we shall see where we go from here. Best wishes.

Ken simply returned the phoney letters. He had not done anything else. After that, there were some more “what's happening” emails from Kia and “unhelpful” replies.

Ken says: “I finally tired of baiting Kia but he had deserved it. He would have taken me for everything and demanded I take out loans as well. He still sends sad little letters (with pictures of his “family”) asking why I don't respond any more.”

Should you do this at home? Only do this if you have your wits about you. Don't give the fraudsters any more information than they already have (probably your address and email but you could always set up an email especially for this).

Never give bank account details although if pushed, make up nonsense numbers (such as eight figure sort codes and fourteen figure account numbers.)

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Comments (23)

  • Leapfrogger
    Love rating 11
    Leapfrogger said

    Being retired I have loads of time to respond to scammers. I use a pseudonim email address and keep them going for days! I usually tell them, inter alia, that I have sent the required for fees or whatever, even, if necessary, quoting ficticious Western Union numbers. You can detect their growing frustration as time passes and they are not getting all they need! Do try it - days of endless fun!

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  • dillwhacker
    Love rating 5
    dillwhacker said

    Check out the website called: 419EATER.

    There are some fantastic stories there!

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  • mcamp
    Love rating 1
    mcamp said

    To Leapfrogger - with all due respect, I would think you could spend your time better in your retirement - volunteer work for instance. 'Loads of time' is needlessly being wasted by the sounds of it. Find something else to call 'fun'. From 'Another Retiree' who doesn't have time for this sort of nonsence. Just ignore the scammers.

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  • Chunky
    Love rating 20
    Chunky said

    mcamp, you have just done what you advised Leapfrogger not to do - waste time with your e-mail. Just think how many black lesbian single parents you could have helped in that time. Did your sense of humour retire along with you?

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  • Magic-Ian
    Love rating 9
    Magic-Ian said

    I am with you leapfrogger. I get loads of scamming phone calls and I love winding them up. I keep them chatting for ages and then start a sales pitch of my own. Ask them the sort of questions they ask you and then try to sell them insurance or double glazing etc. They get really upset if you have kept them for a long time as most are on bonus and it is their phone costs. The best ones are the boiler room scams as they spend a long time making friends. After several weeks of long phone calls they ask for a password to ensure they are the right person before transactions. I always give the pass word "boiler". It really annoys them. Being retired can be good fun.

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  • laura-anne
    Love rating 9
    laura-anne said

    Love it! Leapfrogger and Magic-Ian, I can see that this is a far better way to idle away spare time rather than vegitating in front of the television, definitely keeps the brain in gear. With due respect mcamp everybody needs a hobby and some people are not pysically able to volunteer.

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  • CRS201
    Love rating 1
    CRS201 said

    CRS You did great. I recieved a cheque from United Commercial Bank in Seattle for $1,000000 on bank headed paper with a signature so I rang the bank in Seattle who confirmed it a fraud.

    I read the accompanying letter which gave me a London phone number spocke with them played along then took info to the police here and spoke to the bank again and gave them info for there police.

    All's well that ends well hope they are out of business.

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  • burgdorf
    Love rating 6
    burgdorf said

    Over a period of time I've received various email scams which I've just deleted. However last week I actually got one, personally addressed to my home, in hard copy.

    The content of the letter was more or less the same as previous email scams but what really made me laugh was that although the letter had a Singaporean address on it, the envolope had a UK second class stamp with a UK postmark !

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  • muira
    Love rating 30
    muira said

    do what my partner does..tell them to deduct their up front thousands in fees ..from the millions of winnings you are due when legacy is paid,,oh and tell them to award themselves an extra bonus for early conclusion.that one seems to really stump them..

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  • hopefultom
    Love rating 43
    hopefultom said

    I'm with Leapfrogger on this, and, by the way mcamp he/she is doing something useful for the community by wasting the scammers time, which means that someone else, more gullible is not being fleeced.

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  • Debtfix
    Love rating 5
    Debtfix said

    I have fun with these too. The last one was from a Nigerian Lady based in France. Her emails came from Japan (first clue!). It was the usual story about a dead relative with loadsa money tied up someplace. An offer of around £40.000 was made for my help. But I told her I didn't need her money and would act for free! Furthermore as a self made millionaire I was prepared to send my personal assistant to pick her up in my private jet so that they could go and get the money. I had emails coming in now and again and decided that I needed a holiday so I told this vagabond that I was going away cruising on my yacht to the Carribbean for three months so if she was going to take up my offer it has to be now. Haven't heard from her since. The holiday was well earned too!

    In another case a disabled friend of mine rang me to say that she had won £300,000 in a lottery. After a few minutes it became clear that she had not entered any lottery so couldn't have won anything in that way. The organiser was to call back and my friend requested that I take the call because there was the question of the security money that had to be paid. The story was that a courier was all set up to bring the cheque to my friend but she had to pay £1,200 to pay for the insuring of the cheque and for the courier. I asked where he was calling from. It was London. So I offered to drive my friend to London in my newly acquired Ferrari in 3 hours flat to avoid the need for the insurance and the courier. The caller did not accept my offer and rang off.

    The worst case I was exposed to was the darling dog scam. Money had to be deposited with the Post Office and the dog would be delivered. This was aimed at women with kids. Very difficult to resist. Got through my armour that one but never again.

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  • isobelsgrandma
    Love rating 35
    isobelsgrandma said

    I'm feeling a bit left out here. I do lots of voluntary work and still have time for hobbies but I know I could fit in the odd hour or two giving these people a run for their money. So far I've spammed anything that resembles the sort of scams we're talking about but perhaps next time............... Just think about it, mcamp: a whole army of retirees giving these ****ers a taste of their own medicine!

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  • BruceK
    Love rating 13
    BruceK said

    If you have time to read a really good Scambait have a look at this link. It's about a scammer being duped into ''changing his religion' all for the sake of continung his nefarious occupation http://scambaiterhaven.blogspot.co.uk/

    I'm trying to pluck up the courage, when I next get a scam phonecall from a female, to start breathing heavily and asking what colour knickers she's wearing! Would she report me? I doubt it somehow! It would be interesting to see who put the phone down first.

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  • coloratura
    Love rating 61
    coloratura said

    With regards to phone scammers just give them one warning telling them you are not interested. If they persist tell them that you are very sorry but you have warned them.....then blow a high pitched whistle (which you handily keep by your phone) - they never call back. I had an incident with a phone pervert a couple of months ago and decided to teach him a lesson (I did warn him beforehand). He wasn't to know but I am a trained opera singer and I suddenly got the urge to sing a top E flat very loudly down the phone - he didn't seem to like my singing very much as he has never called me back !!!! Guess it's back to the training then.

    With regards to e-mail scammers...naturally only play games with them if you are sure that they have your e-mail address. I got one from someone telling me that a colleague of mine was abroad and needed money urgently to get home - fortunately I had seen her the day before. I must admit though if I wasn't really busy it is really tempting to get the scammers hopes up and then dash them at the end.

    Perhaps we should make it a policy of us all befriending one of our scammer just so they can see how it feels to have your hopes raised and then dashed - which would be some revenge for all the people, especially the elderley that they have duped out of money (in some cases very large amounts). Hey, I think we could start and a "befriend a scammer" club and

    sharing all our ideas ????

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  • coloratura
    Love rating 61
    coloratura said

    Just found out scambaiters club exists (sorry for my lack of knowledge) - oh it's so tempting to join.

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  • electricblue
    Love rating 643
    electricblue said

    I would be tempted to suggest sending a file on these to appropriate embassies or Police, but having twice tracked down contact details and genuine names of scammers in the UK (stolen cheques scams for Ebay vehicle purchases), I can say that the Police in the UK regard such things as extremely low priority, so basically even doing their work for them is still too much effort for them in checking things out.

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  • Basia02a
    Love rating 43
    Basia02a said

    Over a year ago I amused myself by reponding to an email about a fabulous flat going for a cheap rent in London, saying that I was interested . I got a response and followed up by explaining my difficulty in finding accomodation due to having just been released from prison for the murder of my girlfriend who was also my flatmate. I was deeply misunderstood of course.

    This was apparentlly 'no problem'. Just send the deposit.

    At this point I said I would love to meet up and see the flat. This must have been a problem as the 'correspondence ceased

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  • Vern54
    Love rating 12
    Vern54 said

    For all the stories of self-congratulation on here (which are great), some poor suckers will have lost a lot of money either through greed or ignorance. ANyone want to admit being taken for a ride?

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  • hopefultom
    Love rating 43
    hopefultom said

    @BruceK

    In reply to your rhetorical question : If your wife is in the same room, it will be you !

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  • Alaric
    Love rating 0
    Alaric said

    I came across one of these cases when I was working in a bank. I received a desperate phone call from the directors of a firm in the Island of Okinawa (Japan) asking for assistance. To make the call they would have to have been up at 2 a.m. in the morning. I had them send me copies of the documentation.

    They had fallen for a Nigerian fees scam and had already committed $24000. As part of the documentation the scammers had shown Bank documentation using the address of our branch though a cursory examination showed several errors. I passed the details to our security people who broke the bad news to the Japanese guys.

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  • tommills
    Love rating 23
    tommills said

    I recently had a phone call from a boiler room when I managed to keep him talking for 25 mins. He eventually accused me of wasting his time. When I pointed out that it was him who rang me & he was wasting my time he hung up. I have caller display & these calls come up as International which, together with being referred to by my first name, always make me suspicious. Although this call showed up as International he insisted he was at a desk in London.

    Some time ago I saw a video somewhere online where the recipient led the caller to believe that his target had been murdered & that he was being considered as a suspect.. He soon hung up.

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  • kalelkar
    Love rating 4
    kalelkar said

    A friend of mine from London actually (literally) turned the tables on these swindlers!! Using an assumed name (he's careful :-)), like Ken, he played them along to the point where they thought they had him; then actually persuaded the Nigerians to part with cash that they sent him thru Western Union - a cracking £1,000 - on the grounds that he had to prove their credentials to his bank. Of course, he treated all his mates to a pint from that.

    But it's a dangerous game ... he got lots of threatening calls; ultimately, changed his Mobile Nr. It may not be on the up and up, but there was sweet poetic justice.

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  • ambahall
    Love rating 14
    ambahall said

    That is just beautiful - but, as you say, a dangerous game!

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