The latest cold-calling scam

Tony Levene
by Lovemoney Staff Tony Levene on 30 September 2011  |  Comments 17 comments

This week, Tony Levene investigates the latest cold-calling scam coming to a telephone near you...

The latest cold-calling scam

Writing about carbon trading and credit schemes is always dangerous. There's a section of the population whose internet antennae are permanently on alert for the word “carbon”. Then they bombard any site mentioning carbon that allows readers to comment (as lovemoney.com does) with their generally very lengthy, and often very aggressive views, on global warming. And surprise, surprise, they are all climate change deniers.

I should know. For whenever I write about carbon credit schemes, I get exactly that response. I suspect that I would get worse if lovemoney.com readers and other site moderators did not report the most extreme and most insulting.

Carbon credit trading

So let's start this piece with a personal statement. I don't care whether you think global warming is a reality to be avoided at all costs or an international conspiracy orchestrated by the Bilderberg Group in conjunction with Goldman Sachs and that “trader guy” on BBC news. All I'm interested in is firms which cold-call anyone they think has money that they can be parted from.

There are now literally scores of these companies out there – all with a very similar patter to convince potential investors that they will make big money quickly out of carbon credit trading.

Now I'll let you into a secret. If there was a scheme to make big money quickly, then all those hedge funds, assorted traders, and investment banks would have been there first. If the market is, as the cold callers say, worth billions or even trillions, how come the big boys are leaving anything either for small investors or for the firms who phone you uninvited (telephone preference service? Forget it, these guys always claim you've filled in a marketing enquiry anything up to a year ago).

My phonecall

The firm that called me, promising me the fast track to wealth, had literally only been established as a company the day before. That's fast! It sent me a brochure which was so full of how you could greedily cash in on carbon while the rest of the world was going to drown under the melted polar caps that it was enough to make me into a global warming denier.

 The script salespeople from these companies use is designed to press every green button going – perhaps telling them you're with former Fox News presenter Glenn Beck on this might either slow them down or change their patter. Beck calls “global warming” a “global scam”.

Be on your guard

This is not the first time I've warned about carbon credit schemes – I've been going on about them for a year or so. But here's two amazing facts about them, from my scambusting friends at the Financial Services Authority.

First, while firms springing up out of nowhere claiming an expertise in carbon credits are nothing new, their numbers have soared since June with around twenty to thirty reported each month. That's a plague.

And now for an even more amazing fact. The FSA says large numbers of these firms have switched almost overnight from landbanking or have personnel who were formerly landbankers. The guy who called me up last week told me – to boost his credibility – that he had been a “land expert” but had realised that carbon was the place to be.

The skills needed to sell dodgy land and dodgy carbon credits are much the same. You have to appeal both to rationality (land with residential planning permission is worth more and people need houses turns into your grandchilden will live a better life if the world is free of carbon pollution) and to “masked” greed (as in your present investments are not doing well so, if you love your family, here's something to make money).

Next week, I'll delve further into the world of carbon credit schemes, including a close look at some of their website small print.

In the meantime, read the FSA warning on carbon credits and keep the cold callers out of your bank accounts.

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  • PeterMcGregor
    Love rating 0
    PeterMcGregor said

    If people had a strict rule of never sending large amounts of money to people they do not know, your correspondent would be out of a job, with little to report.

    What happened to basic common sense?

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  • Talent
    Love rating 77
    Talent said

    I'm not a climate change denier, well not in the sense you mean. What you are is a natural phenomenon climate change denier. The worst kind.

    Unfortunate word that, it always reminds me of the nylon stocking grading system!

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  • Mike10613
    Love rating 599
    Mike10613 said

    I also though denier pertained to the mass density of fibre - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denier

    Perhaps I'm in denial?

    We need to apply common sense to climate change too - http://wp.me/p194MF-oL

    I did a simple and non-technical explanation.

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  • fortitude24
    Love rating 17
    fortitude24 said

    Yes, I am having all sorts of calls now as lists are so easily available

    1. Carbon company called

    2. Phone rings constantly and you pick up it is a recording on PPI

    3. Phone rings and you are told about a recent accident on which you can claim medical (apparently I had a whiplash injury)

    4. Investment Company from Switzerland asking me to invest in Brazil. Oh ok you dont want to invest in Brazil. How about UK then?

    5. Constant emails from BMV property. Dont they know there is no BMV, the price offered is the Market Value now. I cant manage a property 3/4 miles from me. Why would I invest in one 300 miles away in a Welsh village

    6.Phone rings and yet another recording that new Government regulations allows me to completely write off my debts (they forget to tell me t is an IVA, they are peddling)

    7.A man calls that I have won a major holiday. I tell him I dont want to pay a booking fee. He says there is no fee but after the shpill, tells me in order to hold on to the holiday available for the whole year, I have to pay a reserve fee of 25quid. I tell himthat I told you at the beginning I dont want to pay a booking fee. He says no there is no booking fee but a reservatin fee. God help me. Can you leave me alone so I can please work to earn a living?

    8 Oh and what about Solar Panels and Utility contracts (Gas,Electrcity,Gas,TV) and the rest.

    I think unsolicited calls should be made illegal and a criminal offence

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  • electricblue
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    electricblue said

    Mike - your opinions are one thing, but please keep links to your damn boring blog off here will you? Lovemoney are advertising for journalists, if you were any good they would have called you by now.

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  • Chunky
    Love rating 20
    Chunky said

    My telephone line operates a "No caller ID, no answer" policy. The message service will pick up genuine calls.

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  • I love animals
    Love rating 2
    I love animals said

    Chunky - does it do that automatically? How do you get that service?

    fortitude24 - have you had the one about fancy coloured diamonds yet?

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  • metabelis
    Love rating 21
    metabelis said

    There are devices - available on Amazon and other places - such as the TrueCall, which will block numbers that it doesn't recognise, or which it knows to be from nuisance callers. A worthwhile investment which ensures that you only ever speak to people that you actually want to speak to.

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  • Goindownhillfast
    Love rating 0
    Goindownhillfast said

    We have a competition running in our household to see who can keep these idiots hanging on the phone for the longest - time spent talking to them is deducted from the total. My daughter holds the record of just over 6 minutes with a hilarious man at the door routine. (All you need is a speakerphone with a mute button to enjoy this activity.)

    On a more serious note, perhaps by driving up their cost base and reducing their success rate maybe we can help make this business model unprofitable. Meantime it's not often you see people racing to answer the phone in case it's cold call scam!

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  • Chunky
    Love rating 20
    Chunky said

    To 'I love animals' – most phones these days have a screen. When a call comes in, it will show the number, 'international', 'unavailable' or 'withheld'. If the number is unavailable or withheld, I don't answer and after seven rings the message service clicks in. If the caller says who he is and/or leaves a number I ring back. Most providers provide the Caller ID and message service and it is usually free, though you have to ask for it.

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  • oldhenry
    Love rating 265
    oldhenry said

    These scams work because teh government want them to. They encorage so many scams by messing up our basic living standards. Including have no proper energy policy at all. Therefore the UK is at the mercy of all the crank scientists out there that are paid to peddle their own version of the end of the world. I wish the sun would explode very soon and that would be the end of selling solar panels and carbon trading, there would not be any left in the 'black hole' that was left. The world will end one day it is a fact as teh sun will follow other stars into their end of like routine. People canbnot get it intotheir heads and think tax increases will make the planet live forever. Rubbish, it will not.

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  • ApricotSilk
    Love rating 2
    ApricotSilk said

    Another dubious technique....an email arrives...asking me to complete details for my new travel insurance...from a name you will all have heard, and who I thought were respectable....but from whom I have not purchased anything.

    The email asks for the usual card details etc etc....

    Now I could have phoned...at premium rates etc....

    Would rather not be bothered etc.....into the cyber recycling bin....

    Stay safe...

    J

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  • electricblue
    Love rating 643
    electricblue said

    Oldhenry - Are your miserable old g*t rants meant to be serious? What kind of rock do you live under? The UK has signed up to international agreements on carbon emissions reductions, we have one of the best energy generation systems in the world and for all the ludicrous subsidies for wind and solar power, they are technologies which would not have progressed as they have without massive investment. NOTHING comes close to the corruption in the oil industry, it has suppressed technology which would make vehicles more efficient and interfered with democratic governments around the world. Corruption is endemic in every political system in the world including ours. Were you happier with the champagne socialist and crooked pie eater running our country?

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  • MK22
    Love rating 140
    MK22 said

    @electricblue. Oldhenry's rant not to be taken seriously? Well, OK, if you insist. So, what do I do about yours?

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  • panda60
    Love rating 3
    panda60 said

    So, can the government explain to me why the planet went through ice ages etc before man was around to wreck it all with modern technology 'stuff'... most people I know think this is just part of a natural cycle and 'do-gooders' are getting richer off the back of it... don't waste your money on so called carbon emission offsets... and as for the energy light bulbs... complete waste of time.. who wants dull, grey 'light'???? not me!!

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  • mtjearly
    Love rating 20
    mtjearly said

    LOL at oldhenry's long term view.

    Fortitude24 - your number must be being passed around the scam industry if you get that many calls!

    Electricblue - LOL at the 'oil industry is suppressing green technology angle'. If there was a future in wind power, solar power or electric cars, we would be seeing it now. The only way green power will substitute more 'traditional' power generation is if they carpet the countryside with solar panels and wind turbines - which obviously won't happen and would ironically be environmentally unfriendly! Carbon credit trading and emission 'promises' (which will not be met obviously) are there to placate the guilty consciences which the green lobby have been creating by shoving their rhetoric on us for years. IF global warming is a human-created problem and IF we can do something about it, then power generation has to be nuclear, cars need to be hydrogen powered, and China, India and Brazil have to do a lot more to become green. You think they recycle in Beijing?

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  • CarbonOffsetter
    Love rating 0
    CarbonOffsetter said

    Please, please, please do not by a carbon credit as an investment. A carbon credit only has value for a business wishing to offset it's unavoidable carbon emissions. The financial value of a carbon credit varies enormously based on what additionality it has, i.e. has the manufacture of the credit changed communities or the bio-diversity of the planet? That aside, wherever it comes from, one carbon credit has the capacity to remove one tonne of CO2 from the atmosphere. But once it is purchased by a business it has to be retired. In layman's terms it means it has to be effectively torn up so that it cannot be counted twice. The credits are retired on public registries. If, as an investor, you are convinced that your investment will increase in value you are wrong. Companies will not buy your credits from you because, a) the price will be too high, and b) more importantly, you will not have the capacity to retire them on behalf of the company. You will be left with a few bits of paperwork, but no tangible product. oh, and a dent in your wallet. Steer clear of "investing" in carbon credits, unless you are a business that really does want to demonstrate an offset inclusive carbon management strategy. If that's the case then carbon credits can add value to your business

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