The ‘You don’t have to pay your bills’ scam

Tony Levene
by Lovemoney Staff Tony Levene on 05 August 2011  |  Comments 9 comments

If you get a text offering to help you write off your credit card debts, don't fall for it, warns Tony Levene.

The ‘You don’t have to pay your bills’ scam

I've been hit by a plague – not of locusts but of texts and phone messages telling me I don't have to pay my credit card and other unsecured loan bills.

One even told me I could escape £2,310 - even though none of these texters and callers can know what I owe or don't owe. But this promised freedom from debts does sound truly amazing.

It's also easy. I don't have to emigrate to the Gobi desert to escape my creditors or build a bailiff proof wall around my home. The beauty of this plan is that it is legal. In fact, it is actually sanctioned by new laws – or so the above mentioned texts and phone calls assure me.

I bet not too many lovemoney.com readers knew that! So I can go on a crazy spending spree, knowing I need never bother with the bills. Sheer heaven.

Here's one text. “Due to new legislation, records indicate that you can now apply to have it written off.”

And someone who described himself as “just working in the call centre of a major claims management company” told me if I had a pre-2007 credit card, it was “likely that I did not have to pay a penny.”

It only costs £499

So how to find this financial nirvana?

All it costs is £499 (and that would be added to my credit card, whose debts would be almost certainly null and void so it was really free!!!) plus I would get that £499 back in the remote possibility that this did not work.

What these claims management companies (all subject to light as a feather Ministry of Justice regulation) all maintain is that credit cards and credit agreements before 2007 may not comply exactly with sections 77 and 78 of the Consumer Credit Act. In a nutshell, these firms say, this puts the onus on the credit provider (the bank) to send a copy of the original agreement if the customer requests it. Failing to do so within 12 working days means the consumer can regard the agreement as unenforceable.

The same freedom can be obtained, they say, if the credit company failed to give proper written notice of interest rate changes or variations in the credit limit.

Now, according to a number of blog sites, some people have managed to achieve this – especially a few years ago when some banks decided it was cheaper to roll over than to fight this in court. They don't roll over any more.

Now here's what the claims management people don't tell you.

What they won’t tell you

Assuming you win because an “i” has not been dotted or a “t” crossed, unenforceable does not mean the debt is wiped out. It means it cannot be enforced through the courts. That won't stop the banks entering your failure to pay on your credit record – so no new mobile phone contract let alone a mortgage – and it does not stop debt collectors calling you. It won't stop the bank cancelling your card.

Plus, it does not prevent the bank selling the unenforceable debt to one of those companies that buys up old debts for a penny or two in the pound. They have no legal right to enforcement but they often have more graphic methods.

But even if the bank says it cannot find your original agreement, a legal decision (a December 2009 case known as Carey vs HSBC but it included other banks and other customers) that the claims people won't mention says the bank can “re-constitute” the contract. The bank may not be able to find your particular paperwork from 10 or 20 years ago, but it will have a sample so it can re-create the original. And unless you still have your copy of the document, you can't challenge it (it will probably be correct, anyway).

Once this is done, the debt becomes enforceable again.

Get out clauses

The other supposed “get-out” clauses – not informing about interest and credit limit changes – are covered in most terms and conditions.

The debt management companies send out almost identical letters costing around a tenner so it's good earner. And you can't ask for your money back if they can show the debt is legally unenforceable.

But don't expect a £499 refund if lenders find other ways of getting their cash or punish you with blacklisting. The claims people will argue they did what they set out to do – and you won't find a claims company to take your side in any subsequent dispute.

Banks are not the most attractive firms around. And you may have some sympathy with those who can't pay. But those who won't pay - and those that profit from encouraging borrowers not to pay their debts - simply put up the costs for the rest of us.

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Comments (9)

  • chrisosl
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    chrisosl said

    There is a much easier way to avoid debt - but unfortunately this only applies to foreign students.

    I am a teacher and I know many foreign students who have done this.

    It's simple.

    Apply for several credit cards and bank accounts. Instruct your bank to pay the minimum amount only.

    The debt rises.

    Then, whenever you have finished your studies - A levels or degree - go home and stop the payments. The students are never chased up - sometimes the students have stayed in my house. warning letters from debt collection companies still arrive here - even though the students left over 5 years ago! Often the letters say 'You have 1 month to pay or else we will come round...' etc.

    The fact is that even if the students did live here bailiffs would not be allowed in because the student does not own the house, I do. And I do not have to let bailiffs in.

    Former tenants have run up student loans (for Uni) for £000s and then simply gone home to Spain or whatever - or in some cases simply live somewhere else in the UK.

    Often these debts are membership fees for Esporta etc.

    It's all so easy - and they tell their friends and they do the same thing. I know of Chinese students with debts in excess of £20,000 - they then just get on a plane and go home.

    Once I did ring up a credit card company and tell them about this but they then threatened me for opening mail not addressed to me.

    So I don't bother now.

    In the early days - this has been going on for years - one person owed hundreds to British Gas. I rang them up to tell them he wasn't going to pay, the reason being he wanted to buy a new TV for his new flat. They said he would never get a mortgage - but I pointed out to them he was from Singapore and didn't need a mortgage for a house in the UK.

    Sometimes students with tribal names or Muslim names come over and simply use their 'other' name to run up the debts.

    No-one can touch them - it's totally free (to them) money.

    But we all pay for it, I guess.

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  • oldhenry
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    oldhenry said

    The above poster has summed it up, why the cc companies stitch up those that can pay. Foreign students are a pain to local authorites too by running up council tax bills and scarpering back home before paying. Agaimn this all helps in putting up th etax to the rest of us. I cannot believe that China ( say) would allow me into their country and to run up debts in this manner, the UK is the softest touch on the planet for allowing foreigners to come and wreck our economy. Our universities send rcruitmenters abroad to drive them here too, perhaps they should become responsible for their students' debt , then of course why would a cc comnpany issue credit to someone who had no financial standing and was a student with no income? The are greedy to.

    As fo rdebt management , it is a case of 'large fleas have small fleas on their backs to bite 'em, small fleas have even smaller fleas and so ad infinitem'.

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