The sick solicitors that prey on the bereaved

Tony Levene
by Lovemoney Staff Tony Levene on 05 May 2012  |  Comments 20 comments

Some unscrupulous solicitors see ways to cash in on death.

The sick solicitors that prey on the bereaved

When someone close to you dies, you would want to be treated with respect and sympathy. You would hardly suspect that anyone would take deliberate advantage of your bereavement to come up with a rip-off that could cost the estate of the deceased – effectively the surviving family – tens of thousands of pounds.

And you would be even less likely to suspect that friendly family solicitor. But the sad truth is that while most lawyers are trustworthy, a minority see a death as a profit opportunity. They know the recently bereaved are unlikely to challenge them – and that many people see questioning charges as unseemly, especially after a death.

An inaccurate estimate

My father died in late 2005. My mother died in early January this year. Both lived to 93 and both had properly drafted “mirror” wills drawn up by the same solicitor. Their estate was very typical – a three-bed semi, savings and a few shares - and they left bequests to eight family members.

When my father died, the solicitor came round to discuss “grant of probate” - the process by which the terms of the will could be carried out. You can do this yourself and many do – it's not that difficult but it can be fiddly and time consuming. You have to deal with banks, share registrars and utility companies.

The family did not want that option, not that the lawyer ever offered it. I asked him for an estimate of costs. He said about £3,500. We agreed.

Six months later, with most of the work done, the bill arrived. It was for £14,000 – four times the original estimate. I complained. He claimed it was cheap compared with other solicitors (he said they would charge £18,000 plus VAT ) and banks (£24,000 plus VAT) so why was I moaning?

I was moaning because it was so out of line with the original estimate with no evidence to show it was more complex as than expected. And there was no warning.

I threatened him with the Solicitors' Regulatory Authority. The bill dropped instantly to £6,000 – still more than he said but there were a number of tiny fiddly bank accounts and it was a compromise. This solicitor was later struck off by the SRA

When my mother died, I was more clued up. I had written about a firm called Final Duties. It is a “probate broker” - it finds lawyers at a fair and fixed price. The fee including VAT was £3,800.

Solicitors as executors

But at least the solicitor who drafted my parents' wills did not put himself in them as an executor. If that happens, and it is common, then the solicitor can appoint his firm to do the professional work.

And it is almost impossible to challenge whatever fee is finally imposed, as lovemoney.com reader Steve from Newcastle found out.

His widowed mother died, aged 81, in late 2003. Her £700,000 will was simple. Sell the house, liquidate the bank accounts, pay inheritance tax, and then divide the balance between her two sons – both executors. Or it should have been simple.

About a year before she died, Steve's brother Alan was in the midst of a divorce. To prevent Alan's estranged wife from getting anything if he died suddenly, a solicitor persuaded their confused mother to make a new will. The lawyer would replace Alan as an executor. Why this helps is unclear.

The lawyer did not explain his fee structure – the brothers only learnt when it was too late that he would charge for every item of work plus he would charge a percentage of the estate.

His bill came to over £25,000. A competent solicitor could have easily done it for £5,000.

Family executors cannot charge for their services – not even expenses. But professionals such as lawyers, accountants or financial advisers can. And they get their money because they have the first pick at the estate.

The family asked him to stand down as executor some weeks after the mother died. The lawyer refused and charged the estate £1,000 for “counsel's opinion” that he could not be sacked.

The family appealed to the Remuneration Certificate division of the Law Society, the solicitors' professional body. This has now been shut down but was supposed to offer arbitration when legal fees were considered too high.

It backed the brothers, telling the lawyer to back down to around £10,000. But as the Law Society scheme was not legally binding, he refused to take any notice. He had his money and was not letting go.

Since then, the brothers have spent more money attacking the lawyer via the courts. But it has proved expensive and has not got them very far.

The morals of this cautionary tale? Don't trust solicitors. And ensure that executors of any will are confined to family members. They can then have the choice of doing it themselves or getting a moderately-priced professional to carry out the work.

Executors can be, but don't have to be, beneficiaries under the will. Once you let a lawyer or bank in to your will, you are storing up trouble for your family.

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  • jmm01245
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    jmm01245 said

    This appears to be an excellent knowledge article and I will advise my son accordingly as he will be our executor and main beneficiary. Our mirror wills are now being drafted by the Consumer Association recommended will writer who has advised that should his organisation be asked to act as co executor, they would actually go to tender panel for the best priced solicitor to do the actual work. That sounds good but I need to see the fine print on this so my son can genuinely be safe in dealing with our estates when the time comes. Thanks for an article that enables more questions to be raised regarding our own circumstances. I am also in process of compiling an executors' information pack, to be kept up dated, of our estates' assets, liabilities, changes and contact points. This will be accompanied with letters "to be opened in the event of ...". I hope it will then be much easier for my son and/or other executors to deal with the probate process.

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  • Atlas Shrugging
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    Atlas Shrugging said

    Also beware of the Banks "Free Wills" service. I have seen examples where they write themselves in as Executors for a percentage of the estate. The one I saw gave them 8%.

    If a property is worth 300,000 that's £24K to start with!

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  • MK22
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    MK22 said

    When my wife died, the solicitor charged a similar amount to that charged to the article writer when his mother died and that included setting up a will trust. Solicitors always seem knowledgeable and therefore worthy of their hire, until you seem them with a barrister. Funny how incompetent they suddenly become (in comparison). I guess we all need to remember to get competitive quotes, no matter what we are at.

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  • PMKyle
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    PMKyle said

    I spent 13 years in practice in probate and succession and there ARE some decent lawyers out there ! Also word of warning - do NOT use "will writers" - these are rarely properly qualified persons i.e. they have a Law Degree for a start off - they just do a "one day course" and then call themselves "professional will writers" when they are not competent to be so. Using a non professional or drafting your own will from a WH Smith will kit can also be catastrophic so shop around and find yourself a proper solicitor otherwise you may find you die "intestate" i.e. without a valid legal will - and it can cost the value of your entire estate to sort it out and your "gifts" may not go to the people you want as there is a statutory priority list of where your estate goes on an intestacy. So BE WARNED - do NOT write your own, do NOT use a "will writer" !!!! Yes - I DO get wound up because I have seen instances where grieving families have been denied what they thought they were going to inherit because of unprofessionally drawn up wills.. The best way is to nominate family executors - although that can lead to arguments and disputes - but usually they end up having to instruct a solicitor if the will is complicated. Why do you think solicitors put themselves through a costly Law Degree, Practice Certificates and yearly update courses if it were that easy ????

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  • altair
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    altair said

    When you find a good and honest solicitor hang on to him.

    Recently I had to apply for a re-mortgage, (I have paid off the original mortgage so you would think it is a pretty straight forward case).

    When the final statement came through for the work done by the bank's solicitor they charged me for:

    1) Cost for settling the remainder of the mortgage?

    2) Cost for seeking permission from Freeholder since the property is leasehold.

    I then rang the solicitor to query the costs since:

    1) there was no mortgage on the property.

    2) I am one of the freeholders (you would have thought that was obvious since they were paid to do the conveyancing)

    The answer I got from the solicitor was that the form sent to me was a standard copy and that he will amend it accordingly, imagine that!

    If I had not queried the cost I would have been charged another couple of hundred pounds!!

    There doesn't seem to be any integrity anymore even the law firms, the bottom line is

    forget integrity and honour, just get as much as you can for as little work done possible.

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  • Pedros143
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    Pedros143 said

    As an executor and having been fleeced by my mothers designated solicitor when she died. I handled the probate for my father and both my wifes parents at their requests as executor.

    It is not difficult and the staff at the probate office are wonderful and patient. It is the Banks/Bldg Soc's that prove the most time consuming, as they do not know what they are doing most of the time and want to charge you for watching them go round in circles.

    An average probate done yourself will rarely cost more that £1000 if that.. it just takes time but no one is rushing you..The Law Society stays ominously silent about the legal vultures who operate in this sector. Any other regulator would have hunted then down and exposed them for what they are....

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  • GodSenior
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    GodSenior said

    Solicitors? They are all crooks. I know I have dealt with them for many years. I had however found a solicitor who was very friendly and he dealt with my cases diligently. Whenever there was any dealing that sounded not correct or that the opposite solicitor had tried to cover their errors and encouraged my solicitor to compromise I would have none of that. I usually approached the opposing solicitor and give them what not at their office in front of their staff with very strong language. I then finish with telling the opposing solicitor to sue me. Never fails, they just draw back into their office and lock the door in case I go in to assault. I then leave the reception laughing 'cos I know I never fail to embarrass them. They are just a bunch of crooked pillocks. I recently had a solicitor charged me twice for a house purchase. I must say he lost touch of what he actually quoted me for conveyance cost and total cost. I used him because I know and he did not know he made a mistake to give me a very low quote. So when it was completed I noticed he charged me twice for property registration fee. I questioned him about it and said the total cost was low and that the error made for the extra £200 for the registration fee was to cover up his actual final cost. I said to him to put it in writing and he did. I complain their unprofessionalism to the Law Society and the solicitor replied to say it was an oversight. So, I said to the L.S. what you are going to do about their reply to me and that it constituted fraudulent practice. But the L.S. did not want to know. So you see, all legal issued completed fraudulently is a way of life here in the UK for the people in the legal system.

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  • GaryDean
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    GaryDean said

    This is all really quite shocking. I suppose I am naive but I had no idea these people were so criminally minded. This sickness appears to have afflicted a number of our politicians, the bankers, as we well know, those in the media & just about anybody that smells money who sits in a plush office & wears a suit & tie. It appears there are 2 types of criminal. Those who operate outside of the law & those who are smart enough to operate within it. The latter I would deem the most vile as at least we know where we stand with the former.

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  • MartinW
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    MartinW said

    It surprises me that solicitors sorting out wills can charge a % of the estate in addition to their normal fees for time and disbursements. I cannot see the logic of it, although I can see the solicitors' financial advantage. I am a doctor, so is that not the same as if I say to you, "My fee for treating your condition is £X but since I can see you have pots of money, I'll charge 1.5% of your net worth as well."

    Thanks for the info about Final Duties, I have stored it away for possible future reference.

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  • mdjohnst
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    mdjohnst said

    I used to work with Solicitors training legal software. There are some very good ones out there, but I also found some vile examples of human beings. They would screw over their own family if it meant making a few extra pounds.

    I was in a meeting with some personal injury solicitors when they were informed that a client had been involved in a road traffic accident. You could see them salivating at the prospect of some easy money. Then brain damage was mentioned and the excitement level went through the roof. It was like giving a child the best christmas present they could ever hope for. It was a very eye opening experience.

    Their whole job revolves around getting one over on someone else.

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  • bunty
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    bunty said

    Always appoint family executors if possible. We recently completed probate on my father-in-laws will. It was quite complicated as he had already transferred property to my husband within the 7 years allowance and he held a lot of investments. However, it was quite straight forward once we collated all the documents and only cost us £1,000 to get our local solicitor to tie up the final 'loose ends' at the probate office.

    I would definitely do it again if asked and complete it entirely ourselves. For solicitors it must be 'money for old rope' and a great chance to fleece any unsuspecting client.

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  • RedundantHippie
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    RedundantHippie said

    I was recently appointed by my wife's family to act as administrator for an uncle who died intestate a couple of years ago aged 90. I did a lot of reading up on what is involved and discovered that it is really easy. Previously I have dealt with a lot of legal stuff relating to large Tenders and Contracts. Dealing with administration of an estate is child's play in comparison. Unless the estate is worth billions and complicated there is no need to use a Solicitor who's only motive is screw as much out of the deceased as possible, I really enjoyed dealing with the administration - Total cost, including everything from transport to Court and postage stamps - less than £150.00 and about 3 hours easy work, Is that worth the £8,000 quoted by a solicitor to do the same job?

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  • charles125
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    charles125 said

    We obtained probate when my father-in-law died for almost no cost apart from postage costs and the required probate fee, which were minimal. It isn't that complicated and if they are a spouse, with all property going to the other spouse, it is very simple and straightforward indeed. My brother acted as executor when my mother died, and the costs just involved travel to where my mother lived, time to sort through things, and cost of phone calls to follow up some of the paperwork, plus completing the probate form and as the estate was over the ceiling for postal applications, had to attend the probate hearing . Provided a proper will has been made, the will is properly signed by witnesses as required by law, the will isn't contested and there are no undue complications, it is not beyond almost anyone to sort things out without going to a solicitor. Obviously if any queries crop up from the probate office, these need following up correctly and in some cases might need a legal opinion. In many cases, if you have legal cover on your household insurance, you can obtain free advice over the telephone or they will advise where necessary if you will actually need action or assistance from a solicitor.

    The current account bank is very straightforward, you just present the death certificate and they will freeze the account pending probate, but allowing reasonable funeral costs and expenses, and any outstanding or arising utility/tax bills to be paid from monies held at the bank either in the current or savings accounts as necessary. You must notify and send death certificates to employers, pension companies, the local council, the Inland Revenue, utility companies, banks holding accounts and similar, mortgage companies, insurance companies and any lending company or credit card company. You may need 15 -20 death certificates (or more) depending on how complicated the deceased's financial situation is , and it is better to err on the safe side, as getting more death certificates later is extra hassle and costs considerably more.

    You (as an executor, or the executor's representative) will need to visit the appropriate registrar for the district where the deceased lived, to register the death in person. A death certificate (and where required a post mortem certificate) will be needed for burial, (and a second doctor's signature will be needed for cremation, by law.) You have to arrange for the body to be transferred as soon as possible to an undertaker, worry about paying their fees afterwards! This is especially important if they have died at hospital or the body has been taken there, as hospitals prefer not to have to keep bodies in their mortuary unless essential or required to be sent for post mortem, and prefer where possible for bodies to go directly from their Chapel of Rest to the undertakers. It is also very important to get to the hospital as soon as is feasible, or asap as they require someone to identify the body.

    It is possible if the death has been sudden that the Police will be in attendance, even if the person is quite elderly, and the person identifying the body will be questioned by the Police about possible cause or causes of death. This is just a formality in most cases (unless the circumstances surrounding the death are suspicious or very unclear), however, it is something the person identifying the body may need to be prepared for additionally to the shock of the death of someone close in the family. They will usually have obtained the dead person's medical records, but you might have to sign a Police statement at the hospital or house concerned, depending on the doctor's diagnosis of cause of death (though a nurse or doctor will usually be present when the Police speak to you). You may be asked whether you or the family wish for a post mortem to be carried out. Unless you are very unsure of the death or cause of death, and a doctor has given a clear diagnosis, you might well wish to decline any subsequent post mortem, unless you or other family members have a clear and distinct reason to insist on a post mortem.

    If there is any suspicion, or uncertainty about the cause of death, the authorities will insist on a post mortem, and may insist on a further post mortem if a routine post mortem cannot establish the cause of death. The body of the deceased will not be released for burial or cremation until a firm cause of death and any necessary evidence have been obtained. Should the cause of death still not be clear or established, and in the event of their being any suspicious circumstances surrounding the death, it is possible (though usually very rarely), that the body will be released for burial, but permission for cremation denied.

    If a will has not been properly made, ie no will, wording unclear/ open to mis- or multiple interpretation, or improperly witnessed, or there are arguments between joint executors, a solicitor's services will be needed. If the deceased's estate is complicated and financially unclear, it may need paying for both an accountant and a solicitor.

    One of the other added complications of being an executor is having to arrange for a house clearance, and arrange the sale of the property/personal belongings of the deceased. The house can be put up for private sale, through word of mouth/various advertising means, or through an estate agent (or in some cases multiple estate agents). It is absolutely vital that estate agents terms and conditions, and fees, whether fixed or based on the value of the house are read and understood and where there are joint executors, agreed upon by all the executors. It is equally important that all the costs/taxes/necessary expenditure related to selling the house/flat/apartment or whatever are allowed and accounted for.

    If the value of the estate is such that it appears death duty will need to be paid, it is usually worth getting an accountant to look through the estate in detail to see if the figures can be legally adjusted to get the value of the estate below the death duty threshold. This is especially the case where estimates have had to be made for personal belongings, as an accountant specialized in this area will know what reasonable figures are, and what will/will not be questioned or seriously questioned by the probate service. Putting in too low values for some items will immediately arouse the probate office's suspicion and lead to the probate application being rejected until revised figures are submitted.

    If the deceased owned multiple properties, large numbers of properties or investments, professional assistance must be obtained from the outset. This might also be advisable If there are many debts and debtors, or complicated investments.

    The executor will need patience and sometimes determination, in writing and making phone calls to clarify/settle financial and other affairs. This can take considerable time and effort.

    An announcement does not have to be made to the press though in many cases will be wished for by relatives/friends of the deceased. It may however be necessary to notify any possible claimants on the estate, including financial institutions via the financial press.

    Should additional and unknown claimants on the will or estate arise/arrive, either quite soon or later following the death, it might be pertinent and very wise to get proper and full legal advice as soon as possible, and in any case before discussing any detail whatsoever about the estate/will with the claimant. DO NOT express any opinion or detail about the will, it's meaning or its content, nor about the deceased's estate until you have obtained legal advice. Do not show the will to anyone not listed in the will unless legally advised to so do. You must however allow any beneficiary listed in the will to read and if necessary make a copy of the will for them. Do not under any circumstances allow any third party to to have the original will, even for a very brief time, or for them to take the original will to get a copy.

    It are very advised to photocopy the entire will and any attachments for the executor's own retention. Where there are multiple wills/different dated wills, you must get legal advice over which will is in force. It will usually be the most recent one, but beware of people, especially close relatives removed from being a beneficiary in later/subsequent wills, especially spouses and such-like, as claims against the estate may then be very likely. You must not under any circumstances destroy any earlier/later wills, until probate has been granted and all beneficiary payments from the estate have been made, and the state finally tidied up. It might be advisable for beneficiaries, if the person died intestate without a valid will, to keep the monies safe for 5 years after the death, in case any unknown relatives should press a claim under the terms of the will. Alternatively it might be preferable for the known beneficiaries to each contribute to the cost of insuring the estate against this possibility, if the estate is intestate.

    For simple estates, probate usually takes between 3 - 6 months to be granted.

    With more complicated estates, probate generally takes 1 - 2 years to complete. Once a valid will is proven, unknown claims against the estate can only be made 2 - 6 months prior to probate being completed. Once probate has been granted with a certified will, no claims whatsoever can be made against the estate or the executors, under any circumstances.

    It is quite in order for minor known verbal requests by the deceased to be paid/minor property distributed according to the deceased's verbal wishes (or indeed executor's wishes) soon after the death, if known to the executor/family and the extent made clear (within the allowed costs from the estate permitted by probate) and recorded eg as minor gifts, minor property (not major items like cars or housing etc!) distributions as totals on the probate form. Check the probate guidelines, or ask your eg household legal line the maximum allowed value for minor individual gifts/property distribution and the maximum advisable totals for these on the probate application form.

    As well as charging allowable expenses against the estate, executors must ensure matters such as rent, council tax and ongoing utility bills are paid on time. If probate is likely to take up to 2 years, monies must be kept safe, preferably in a safe and secure bank saving account/cash ISA or similar 100% safe investment to be earning ongoing interest. Monies must never ever be invested an any unsafe/risky investments during the period of probate or prior to distribution of the estate. Doing so might make the executor(s) personally liable for any losses, bankrupt if unable to fulfill these, and held in contempt of court, and thereby at risk of huge fines and imprisonment. Monies must not be placed in long term access accounts where monies are not released and not immediately available once probate is granted.

    Lastly do not be afraid to question fees, to shop around, or even change undertakers if necessary. It is very much in your interest and the interest of beneficiaries to keep bills and fees to a minimum.

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  • su51
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    su51 said

    wonder if this is scottish law its impossible to get a complaint dealt with here im still trying 10 years later lots of money paid to a legal crook

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  • MK22
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    MK22 said

    When you realise that solicitors, barristers and QC act for criminals, trying to get them off the charges, the fact that not all solictiors are quite as straight as you might expect them to be suddenly doesn't seem so odd.

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  • geejay
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    geejay said

    Charles125 said:

    'It might be advisable for beneficiaries, if the person died intestate without a valid will, to keep the monies safe for 5 years after the death, in case any unknown relatives should press a claim under the terms of the will.'

    If a person dies intestate (ie without leaving a valid will) how can an unknown relative 'press a claim under the terms of the will'?

    Charles125's comments were both interesting and informative, but this one leaves me puzzled. Am I missing something?

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  • AbogadoNZ
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    AbogadoNZ said

    This sadly reminds me of my own experience with an English solicitor - now struck off. Readers should recall the sign behind the bar of a pub; "Please don't ask for credit as a punch in the mouth often offends." Don't deal with crooks though their trade association - confront them in person and remind them of the terms set out in the engagement letter. You don't have to intimidate them but reminders about their Client Care obligations usually helps. I have handled a number of meetings with solicitors on behalf of aggrieved customers and have never failed to get a result - sometimes a complete refund and an apology. Their PI insurers are always pleased to learn of their failings. Being nice is NOT the place to start.

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  • steady45
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    steady45 said

    It is quite legal and very simple to write your own will and appoint those you wish to carry out your wishes ,so apart from probate you do not need to get ripped off by a solicitor.

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  • MikeGG1
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    MikeGG1 said

    One problem with solicitors being appointed as executors is that, even if you do find a good one, they might have retired before you die and their successors might not be so good.

    Never appoint a professional. The family can always get one if they need to and they would be in control.

    Minimise the work needed. If a couple has mirror wills leaving most to each other they should have most of their assets in joint names. Then presentation of the death certificate is sufficient to transfer the account or share into the survivor's name. Between first and second deaths simplify the investments, so that there is less work required.

    Mike

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  • sodit
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    sodit said

    Write a clause in your will that you professional advisors should not attend your funeral.

    My mother worked for an accountant and was shocked to find that he had charged a deceased's account for the time he spent at their funeral!

    Professional persons seem to be about as honourable as our MPs.

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