The Poll Tax is back!

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by Lovemoney Staff StepChange Debt Charity on 29 September 2011  |  Comments 11 comments

The Poll Tax is a thing of the past. So why are people still receiving Poll Tax demands?

The Poll Tax is back!

Anti-Conservative rhetoric, riots in London and a hated government policy that favoured the rich over the poor. Not 2011 but 1990, and the country’s malaise over the infamous Community Charge, nicknamed the Poll Tax. And now, extraordinarily, it’s back on our radar.

The Community Charge was brought in to replace the Rates property tax in 1989 (Scotland) and 1990 (England and Wales). Rather than a tax on the size of properties (either the rental value or the selling price), the Community Charge was calculated by assessing how many people lived at the property.

This was seen as a regressive tax, unfairly penalising the poor (as they tend to have larger families). The oft-told example was that a duke living alone in a castle would pay much less tax than a six-person family living on the breadline.

The introduction of the tax lead directly to the riots in central London in the summer of 1990 and the political downfall of PM Margaret Thatcher in the autumn of that year.

So why the political history lesson from a debt help charity, about a tax that was abolished 18 years ago to make way for the less divisive Council Tax? Well, in the last week we’ve heard several stories of people receiving Poll Tax demands.

Poll Tax demands

We were contacted last week by a lady in Scotland who was looking for advice on a demand the council had sent her aunt. The demand was for quite a low amount – around £75 – but it was certainly a bolt out of the blue.

Who would have given a second thought to a debt owed on a tax system that was eliminated when John Major was in power?

We subsequently mentioned this email on the MoneyAware Twitter channel, and were surprised to hear from other Scottish-based insolvency experts who said that they had received similar questions recently.

Why had this come up? Surely it couldn’t be right that a council could claim back 20-year-old taxes? It took a bit of digging but the answer was found in the difference between limitation laws in England and Wales, and Scotland.

In England and Wales the standard six-year time limit on taking court action to recover debts (the ‘statute barred’ legislation that forms part of the Limitations Act) covers council tax.

However in Scotland the equivalent law (the Limitations and Prescriptions Act) has provision for every type of debt bar one: Council Tax arrears. So legally English and Welsh councils are bound by a six-year time limit, but Scottish councils can claim tax arrears as far back as they like (whether there’s a moral case for sending debt reminders out is another matter).

Why Council Tax debts are important

So what happens if a council contacts you for unpaid tax and you’ve got no six-year get-out clause? Whether it’s a Poll Tax demand or a Council Tax notice, it’s important that you sit up and take note. You need to do something about it straight away.

Arrears to the local council are one of the few debts that could lead to jail time if you wilfully ignore the demands. We count them as ‘priority arrears’ and are much more important to pay back promptly than a credit card bill or a loan repayment.

Communication is key with priority arrears. Speak with your local council and try and work out an affordable repayment plan, and then stick to it. If you don’t they could get bailiffs involved, or let your employer know that you’re in arrears by taking money from your wages.

Get advice on your council tax arrears

We’ll leave you to discuss the reasons why these demands have appeared 20 years later; it was interesting to have to deal with a Poll Tax demand and brought back a lot of memories of the early 1990s.

Instead we’ll say that if you receive any kind of tax demand from your local council get in touch with CCCS or use our online counselling service if it’s going to be difficult to pay it back.

It’s vital that you do something. The Poll Tax brought down Maggie Thatcher – 21 years later don’t let it bring down you as well.

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Comments (11)

  • mikex
    Love rating 13
    mikex said

    Penalise the poor because they tend to have larger families? That's their choice, and, if it comes to it, if they are too poor to pay their bills, who do they expect to foot their bills? Ah - yes! You and me, of course. I could never understand why the Community Charge was dropped; it is by far and away the fairest - the more in your house, the more services you use, the more you pay. Seemples! And the poor end of the spectrum does not just include younger people with larger families, it catches bread line pensioners who, often live on their own. At leat the Community Charge would only cost them for one person, whereas the present Council Tax has to even out the cost over everybody.

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  • vinvek
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    vinvek said

    Council tax is highly unfair!!!

    Recently bought a house and the valuations office revalued it and put it to a band E.

    All my neighbours and those with similar properties are band D. That's £400 difference a year!!!!

    There is only me and my wife living at our house, whilst some of the houses on our road have families of 5/6.

    How can we be more of a burden on council resources than the larger family?

    Downright unfair.

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  • CannyScot
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    CannyScot said

    Well. No Mike.

    History showed the poll tax to be unfair. 7 people in one house do not consume 7 times as much resources as a single person in a mansion. That's just silly.

    Single pensioners living alone do, of course get a single occupant discount.

    Bread line pensioners also get a means tested reduction in their council tax. I can't remember fully - what was the discount for "bread line pensioners" using the community charge system?

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  • mikex
    Love rating 13
    mikex said

    Wrong, CannyScot. 7 people living in one house will generate 7 times the rubbish, will use educational resources that the sigle person will not. I could go one. Resources includes many things not paid for out of local taxes - energy bills, and so forth, but these are metered and paid for as used. And, yes, because I am a single occupant (my wife, regrettably, is in permanent residential care), I do get a reduction. It is 25%. Not quite the right arithmetic...

    I'll certainly echo Vinvek's comment about how Council Tax is determined. My road is covered end to end, with modest terrace houses. Two houses stand out as not in this category - mine and my neighbours. Quite rightly, with these two exceptions, all houses are in Band A. My neighbour is in Band C, whilst I have the sole property in Band D. I asked for a reclassification to Band C, to no avail. Both properties are detached, both have four bedrooms. Where's the logic in that?

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  • GarethK
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    GarethK said

    "Fair" is entirely subjective. The Community Charge was, in my view, extremely fair, but I'm open minded enough to accept that many others disagreed.

    I promise you that every single method of local government taxation will be deemed extremely unfair by some... The rates were extremely unpopular because they punished the pensioner living in a semi versus the family next door with 3 working adults. Council Tax is seen by many as the worst of both worlds - fixed amounts but charged by the property. Local Income Tax was rejected as being 'too unfair' when the rates were reviewed in the 80s. Local sales taxes work very well in the US but they wouldn't work as well in the UK because it's far too easy for those with cars to cross a council boundary and that punishes the little old lady who can only make it to the local shop (and you can now add in the problem of internet shopping which make local sales taxes impossible to manage).

    I do wish people wouldn't use 'fairness' as an argument! Just because one person doesn't think one system is fair doesn't make it wrong!

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  • wondrinfree
    Love rating 12
    wondrinfree said

    "History showed the poll tax to be unfair."

    CannyScot, history cannot show anything to be fair or otherwise it merely recounts how people have behaved previously.

    'Fair' is a wonderfully vague word that sounds reasonable but means different things to different people. Some people thing is is fair to charge people different prices for the same product or service, whilst others see this as unfair and feel everyone should be treated equally.

    I suspect if you were forced to pay more for everything than your less productive neighbour you might feel this was unfair, yet if your more productive neighbour was forced to subsidise you, you might feel this to be fair.

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  • Mike10613
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    Mike10613 said

    What would be fair would be for a portion of the 20% VAT to be given to local councils so council tax could be abolished. It would help everyone and also help to abolish the poverty trap by effectively abolishing council tax benefit. It is better than the community charge but I'm not surprised that bills are being sent out after 20 years - we have a Tory government. I published a Thrifty blog today and tomorrow have my frugal Friday blog and I have mentioned the excellent work of the CCCS in my blogs this week as debt becomes more of a problem for many families. All we can do is try to save money and it seems that is what people are doing. Many retailers today have to pay their quarterly rent in advance and some won't be able to. This will lead to more redundancies and debt. Big companies and banks are hoarding cash while many companies go to the wall. This is Tory policy of old, let the 'lame ducks' sink. The 'lame ducks' may be companies that employ people, disabled people (cut benefits) the unemployed, the sick or the old.

    My blog today - http://wp.me/p194MF-r9

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  • wondrinfree
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    wondrinfree said

    "This is Tory policy of old, let the 'lame ducks' sink. The 'lame ducks' may be companies that employ people, disabled people (cut benefits) the unemployed, the sick or the old."

    It might be worth thinking about the validity of this tired mantra.

    Labout never did anything good for the elderly whilst the Torys have just improved their pensions by realigning them back to earnings.

    Labour increased National Insurance contributions for employers - so turning companies who employ people into lame ducks.

    Disability benefit has universally been recognised that it has been too generous to people who really should not be claiming it. Thank goodness someone at the top has the courage and moral fortitude to tackle this. The genuine disabled will not be disadvantaged by having this benefit solely spent on them.

    Unemployment is the lagging cycle of the economic downturn not helped by your friends in Labour.

    Taking responsibility for ones self is the antithesis of everything Labour stands for and is very apparent in the attitudes of their supporters.

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  • OorWullie
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    OorWullie said

    The article is about paying unpaid tax and not about the merits or demerits of LA taxation or poverty. Those who failed to pay their due tax in Scotland did so for political reasons and not because they could not afford it. They should continue to be due this amount plus interest plus an adminstrative fee for continuing to decline to pay and I hope and trust that all LAs pursue this line, remembering those who declined to pay won their point so there is no longer an excuse not to pay.

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  • MikeGG1
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    MikeGG1 said

    This would seem to be a matter of hard-pressed councils scratching around for ways to get more money.

    It is their fault for not demanding the money years ago. They shouldn't be able to go back so far.

    However, I also think that you shouldn't have to pay 100% for up to 6 years and then nothing in England & Wales (and Scotland other than Council dues). It should be on a sliding scale. The longer they leave it the less should be payable. Discount 10% per year would be much fairer.

    Mike

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  • tkevcro
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    tkevcro said

    The new tax on the poor is the bedroom tax where your penelised for not having somebody sleeping in :(

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