Credit card debts mean I'll never get a mortgage

StepChange Debt Charity
by Lovemoney Staff StepChange Debt Charity on 30 July 2012  |  Comments 18 comments

This client is young and on a decent salary, yet credit card debts mean he's given up on ever owning his home.

Credit card debts mean I'll never get a mortgage

For most people owning their own home is a realisable ambition. However we spoke to a client the other day who, despite being on a decent salary and still at a fairly young age, had given up on the idea of ever owning a home.

This wasn’t to do with property prices generally or even property prices specific to the area he lived in. He’d given up the dream of homeownership because of the problems he’d faced with credit cards.

12 years in the doghouse

This 30-something client had used several credit cards during his twenties. There was no problem repaying them at first, but as he admitted himself, he’d lived beyond his means for a while.

Despite his level of debt he’d been able to maintain the minimum payments until he suffered an income shock that meant he could no longer afford to maintain his contractual commitments.

Debt recovery

The client contacted us to look for help in managing his debt. We assisted by looking at his circumstances and putting him into a six-year debt management plan (DMP). He dutifully repaid his creditors, although at times it may have been tough.

The creditors - in the main - played ball and reduced interest and charges on his accounts based on the paperwork that we put to them and the offer of repayment the client made.

In line with the usual process, most of the creditors marked a default on the client's credit file when he entered the DMP (creditors do this when a contractual arrangement has been broken - a default on your credit file will limit the availability of credit for six years).

Double default

After six years the defaults had fallen off the client’s credit file and he was on the last eight payments on his DMP. The client had worked hard to get debt free, but he didn’t expect what happened next.

The one creditor who hadn’t defaulted him at the start of the plan decided to default him now, despite him nearly repaying the debt in full. He could have challenged this through the Financial Ombudsman, but creditors are fully within their rights to default a client when they please, once the original agreement has been broken.

The result of this default means that the client’s credit file now holds a default notice for a further six years.

House plans in tatters

The client had managed to repay the vast majority of his debt and had learned to budget wisely and live without credit. He was looking forward to being able to save and build up a deposit towards a reasonable property.

The blow of the late default notice and the realisation that by the time the default clears from his credit file the client will be in his late thirties has led him to decide to give up on his dream of homeownership.

The further six-year default, followed by the time spent building a reasonable credit history thereafter, combined with saving for a house deposit, means that he’s accepted that realistically he would probably be renting a property for the rest of his life.

All this due to spending on credit cards in his twenties.

Debt help

These are fairly unique circumstances, and we don’t want to scare anyone unduly – this isn’t something that would affect the vast majority of people looking to buy their first home.

The client may be able to purchase a property in future but we’re sure he’ll be more informed about what can happen if things don’t go to plan.

If you’re worried about problem debt or just concerned with the level of unsecured credit that you currently owe it’s worth using our free online counselling service Debt Remedy. The effects of past credit can sometimes be felt long into the future.

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Comments (18)

  • mrs weatherley
    Love rating 31
    mrs weatherley said

    Lots of people got repossessed in the 80's but managed to buy again...don't think that what applies now will apply forever......if home ownership is what you want it may still happen...however what is the point if the government are going to take it when you ie to pay for your care...maybe better to save for your kids...if you can afford kids the way things are now..other than that home ownership can be a money pit...not being part of that might be a blessing.......

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  • johncnuttall
    Love rating 9
    johncnuttall said

    He might not feel too bad when the coming house price collapse occurs and all those home owners still living in that dream world where property is an "investment" not a home get a rude awakening

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  • CrispyCakehead
    Love rating 1
    CrispyCakehead said

    Is there a house price collapse coming?

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  • edwardmk2879
    Love rating 57
    edwardmk2879 said

    I agree with johncnuttall. If he is forced to wait another six years, he should use the time to save as much as he can. I'm renting a property which if it was on an interest only mortgage would cost me twice as much in mortgage payments. But isn't an interest only mortgage just another name for a rental? So why mortgage? Unless you are very confident of substantial house property price inflation, you're much better off without one.

    Work, save, start a business, develop a good income stream, and then get an affordable mortgage. Lock in the rate for ten years if you can. Or buy a plot and self- build. The mortgage companies are not our friends. They should be regarded as potentially useful but likely to be extremely hazardous to anyone not financially savvy in the current market.

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  • Abigail Thornton
    Love rating 11
    Abigail Thornton said

    Debt is dangerous. The more debt you have, the more dangerous it is. When double-redundancy struck, our neighbours would have lost their house had their friends and family not provided financial support. Financial storms can and do happen.

    Build those savings people - they may keep a roof over your head.

    Remember that a 'mortgage' is just another name for a big pile of secured debt.

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  • yocoxy
    Love rating 132
    yocoxy said

    @Crispy. No, there is no price crash coming. There's has been (and may continue to be) a drift downwards but no crash.

    @Edward. You're paying rent that is less than half the cost of an interest only mortgage? If you're in a £100K flat, that makes your rent less than £160 per month. ...or maybe you're in a £300K detached home and paying a whopping £480 a month?

    If that's true, you're landlord is very charitable. (I excluded the concept of deposits for simplification. In reality, you'll invest the deposit and monthly costs will be even lower)

    I'd recommend that anyone takes a repayment mortgage over 25 years which will cost you little or nothing more than current rents. After 25 years, your payments will stop. Alternatively you could pay rent for 60 years..

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  • Guitarman
    Love rating 0
    Guitarman said

    So is the moral of this story don't follow the advice of the CCCS for fear of your financial dreams never becoming reality?

    I've no doubt the key message was supposed to be "Don't run up huge credit card debts in your twenties", but lets face it, this one back fired.

    Having paid back all his debt diligently, the protagonist still gets burned with 12 years bad credit record despite paying back all their debt.

    I can't help but think the best course of action would have been to ditch the job for 12 months and apply for bankruptcy. That way, after a year of reading or studying he/she would have been able to work with no debt payments and used the following 5 years (During which the bankruptcy was on their credit record) to save for a deposit at which point their credit record would be clean and they would have no problem buying a house.

    And people who work in banks wonder why the rest of the world hates them?

    I do hope nobody out there feels any guilt in defaulting on a loan to a bank or credit company.

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  • Iamcoldsteve
    Love rating 309
    Iamcoldsteve said

    Are you saying that we should feel sympathy towards this person who cannot manage their finances?

    Failing to plan for the unexpected is very dangerous, and coupled with accute over spending is a recipe for disaster.

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  • shooie97@hotmail.com
    Love rating 0
    shooie97@hotmail.com said

    I have a ccj from 5 and a half years ago, have a 33% deposit for a house but no one will give me a mortgage, the ccj was from when I was in my 20's, and I earn good money, it is frustrating, but that's the way it is, my mess, my fault !

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  • PDB11
    Love rating 72
    PDB11 said

    So if you default on your debts, the black mark lasts six years. Or twelve, if you're unlucky like the person here.

    If you get a black mark for insurance, it lasts for ever. OK, this is ment to prevent insurance fraud, but for ever? And in my case it was caused by an incompetent broker.

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  • StepChange Debt Charity
    Love rating 4
    StepChange Debt Charity said

    @Guitarman Hi and thanks for your comment,

    We appreciate your point of view but we’d never advise a client to give up their job and apply for bankruptcy. The Official Receiver dealing with the client’s bankruptcy could also have taken a dim view of what seems like voluntary insolvency. The bankruptcy could have been revoked on this issue alone.

    The client could have petitioned for bankruptcy without leaving their job at the beginning, but based on the fact that they could technically repay their debt within 6 years this would have been an extreme measure and again the Official Receiver would have questioned the validity of this.

    Also, many mortgage providers now ask if the applicant has ever been bankrupt. Even if this is no longer showing on the clients credit file, saying ‘yes’ to a past bankruptcy could restrict any mortgage offers available for the future regardless of whether the bankruptcy is still publically recorded.

    Kind regards,

    CCCS

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  • athomik
    Love rating 11
    athomik said

    @Edward

    Where I live, I am paying 2/3rds on a tracker repayment mortgage compared to what a similar property would cost me in rent. Admittedly, I had a head start as I lived in my property for over 25 years and managed to get a good deal on right-to-buy, but even without that, and despite house prices around here being fairly buoyant, a decent mortgage deal would still cost you less than the rent on the same property. Around here, the main problem seems to be trying to get a deposit together while you're wasting money on rent.

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  • erimus1
    Love rating 0
    erimus1 said

    Lender adding the default 6 years later is incorrect - lenders are obligated by the ICO guidelines to enter a default after 3 months and before 6 months of late payments.

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  • poppasmurf
    Love rating 31
    poppasmurf said

    Sounds like my life in a nutshell.

    Yet I am still happy.

    Shoddy behaviour by that bank, you can't expect anything less from a bank.

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  • The Bank Manager
    Love rating 72
    The Bank Manager said

    Understandable situation as has been noted, but from the finance perspective, once the '30-something' has made those last payments, if he has repaid that debt in full as opposed to the reduce/revised sum, then a Notice of Correction can be submitted, to be applied to the Credit History.

    When assessing a mortgage application, I read all the facts and not look at the snapshot and solely believe that. Then most of all, it's vital to talk to the customer too, to receive their input regarding the detailed background.

    Never say NEVER.

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  • Mike10613
    Love rating 599
    Mike10613 said

    He's in his 30's, the guy who started Kentucky Fried chicken was 65 when he started that company. It's never too late, someone once said...

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  • JRAY100
    Love rating 50
    JRAY100 said

    When comparing rents versus mortgage payments bear in mind that interest rates can be considerably higher: we paid 15.5% at the inception of our morgage in 1980 - in rose even higher in the next year or two. There is a large debt position to unwind in this country.

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  • babyhk
    Love rating 7
    babyhk said

    I would rather have a mortgage than not although we live in a smaller house than we could probably afford as we had to think that if we were ill or our of work for sometime we could still bail ourselves out of debt.

    Companies still encourage people to buy the max they can afford at that time .

    I worry about my children and university debt How will this affect home ownership?

    At least my home .. when I pass away will be inherited by my kids who may not have been as fortunate as me .

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