Forget savers, we care about the people in debt

StepChange Debt Charity
by Lovemoney Staff StepChange Debt Charity on 15 September 2011  |  Comments 16 comments

Never mind the 'suffering savers' - let's focus on keeping borrowers out of problem debt.

Forget savers, we care about the people in debt

Like a stuck record, the Bank of England kept interest rates at 0.5% last week (for the 30th month in a row). It has been suggested that the low rate held since March 2009 has cost savers £43bn. But should we save the indebted first and then worry about savings?

Figures from CCCS reveal that the Bank of England need to maintain the low rate or even cut interest rates further in order to help keep UK citizens out of insolvency. Our figures show that 6.2 million households are currently financially vulnerable and that 2.2 million homeowners are in arrears or struggling to pay their mortgages.

This comes on top of news that some banks are looking at clients’ financial situation and phoning them to question their spending. Customers have reported being called by their bank and brought to book on their spending habits and being told to pay more of their mortgage instead.

Talk of a ‘Great Recession’ is now in the air and economists are even predicting a Japanese-style 10-year economic stagnation. Add in the rising cost of living and you’ll find that lifting the interest rate anytime soon would only add to the woes of a large minority of the British public.

Debt meltdown for millions

While we're also worried about those struggling on a fixed income such as a pension and we’re concerned that savers are not being encouraged to put money away for the future, there is the other side of the coin: that if interest rates rise, it’ll mean a personal debt meltdown for millions.

The average debt we counsel on has gone down over the past few years, from a high of £27,919 in 2005 to £19,338 last year. This is indicative of the restriction on credit/lending and the fact that many people are using the lower interest rates to pay off as much personal debt as they can.

The lower interest rates have also enabled the average family on a variable rate mortgage to reduce their exposure on products such as credit cards and loans, a positive step that we wouldn’t want to see cut short.

Many economists predict that interest rates will finally begin to rise sometime within the next two years; they also predict the rises will be slow and steady and not reach pre-recession highs for many years.

Problem debt

Even a small increase now would have a disastrous effect on those teetering on the edge of falling into problem debt. Six million households is a large proportion of the total UK housing stock – around 20-25%.

The Bank of England must have access to some of these figures, and perhaps they’re holding off on a rise not just because of the average levels of debt, but also due to the general rise in living costs. Returning to an even slightly higher rate it won’t just hit those in debt; everyone will feel it in their pockets.

It could be better to keep rates low as long as possible; surely it makes sense to allow people to repay as much debt as they can, while they can. This way when rates eventually do go up we won’t have a wave of insolvencies that could destabilise the economy even further.

It’s a delicate balance and we don’t envy the policymakers at all.

Eventually the rates will have to go up

The question is, what can those in debt do to prepare for the rise, whenever it does finally come?

The first thing to do is to put together an accurate statement of affairs; this would include a list of all assets and liabilities as well as a realistic income and expenditure budget.

You might want to prepare two statements and base at least one version on what your mortgage payments would be if a rise in interest rates came in. This would help give you an idea of a ‘worst case scenario’ and help you decide whether you would be able to afford your outstanding commitments in the future.

If you find that you wouldn’t be able to manage it, it might be wise to take some free and impartial advice now (rather than waiting for the bank to ring and tell you off!).

We might not be able to predict when interest rates will rise (if they do) but we’re here to provide help for your financial future if you’re going to struggle.

If you have problem debt we at the CCCS have a free, impartial and confidential online counselling service called Debt Remedy. If you’re in trouble, whatever your financial interest, it’ll offer a solution.

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Comments (16)

  • fenemore
    Love rating 209
    fenemore said

    When I had a mortgage, I don't remember the BOE coming to my rescue with rock-bottom rates - 14% I was paying, and if you lost your home because you couldn't pay, then so be it. No sympathy, no Knight in shining armour - nada!

    Having paid it all off, I am now a saver - and STILL get clobbered. Why is the government NOW concerned about over-extended debtors when they couldn't give damn back then? I can only assume they WANT people to keep buying stuff they don't really need as well as paying the mortgage.

    Yet we are told that not enough people are saving for their retirement - is there any joined up thinking by our lords and masters?

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  • mknee
    Love rating 6
    mknee said

    Rates are so low to keep families in homes which they had to pay well over the odds for in the first place, if house prices hadn't been allowed to get out of control rates would be higher.

    So savers with no martgage lose out - but they have gained the most from the housing boom.

    So it's swings & roundabouts really.....

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  • moreteavicar
    Love rating 23
    moreteavicar said

    fenemore said "I can only assume they WANT people to keep buying stuff they don't really need as well as paying the mortgage. "

    Yep, but think how you were able to stay in a job in order to pay off your mortgage... people had to buy something or pay for a service that you provid(ed). What goes round comes around. What do you think would happen if rates went up?

    The unfortunate fact is, the increase of house prices to ridiculous levels (fueled in no small part by Fool and Daily Mail readers) has meant that for anybody who bought in the last 5-8 years, coupled with ever-increasing commodity prices, there is almost no disposable income for the average earner. Keeping borrowing costs down is the only way - and the economy is barely ticking over.

    I too want to earn interest on my money - the only option was to learn about the stock market, and fortunately the present market turmoil has enabled me to purchase some pretty good dividend paying stocks at a "sale price" (we can go into a long debate about valuations but this isn't the place). Now I can earn a bit more than if I left it in bank, and being with a stocks & shares ISA, tax free too. So now, why would you want to let middlemen in banks with tarnished balance sheets handle your savings? ;)

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  • bengilda
    Love rating 80
    bengilda said

    Those with debts and mortgages got into it all by their sweet little selves when the going was good. No thinking ahead, no careful planning, just go for it and don't worry about the future.

    When I took out my mortgage I was paying 6% interest plus an element for the endowment/life insurance cover. A few years later interest rates were up to 17%.

    Was I given help by the BOE and taxpayer to the detriment of savers? NO!! It was my problem and I had to solve it. Personal austerity came into being and life was not so much fun but we struggled and survived - and my job paid no overtime regardless of hours worked.

    People must take responsibility for their problems and not expect financial help when the going gets tough.

    But these problems would have been rare if financial management had been taught in schools all these years.

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  • les1
    Love rating 13
    les1 said

    I tell you words fail me. Governments (Politicians) along with Banks & the super Rich allow these conditions to occur & punish the best of the Country. If you go to work all of your life, save something then in their opinion you are alright mate. Why not change the system. Pension people off at 45 & pay them the same amount each week as they do spongers. Train everyone from children that they have to work for a living unless you are in dire straits you "WORK". Teach them that not everyone can become a Super Star earning millions. Teach kids that they are not that special unless they prove themselves.

    Ban credit cards go back to old fashioned HP with a reasonable deposit none of this "NO DEPOSIT" 10years to pay because again cash buyers are paying the same as these others which is are inflated prices. None of this affects the wealthy or the very well paid. No one can give you 20% off, no deposit for 3 years, no interest, it's rubbish.

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  • varmatyr
    Love rating 3
    varmatyr said

    I have worked and saved all my life, buying things I can afford when I have the money and going without when I don't.

    Others have borrowed freely, buying things and living a lifestyle they could never afford.

    And now, apparently, I have to go without a second time, quite literally handing over my hard-earned savings to bail these feckless thieves out?

    What is being done to savers is criminal. I am not a slave who works to pay for the lifestyle of others too lazy or stupid to do it for themselves.

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  • Yorkstyke
    Love rating 89
    Yorkstyke said

    We savers will have the last laugh when interest rates eventually return to normal levels of 5% and profligate borrowers will then be well and truly stuffed as they will still carry high levels of debt.

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  • Pablo
    Love rating 3
    Pablo said

    I would like to echo the above comments. I don't give a toss about people who are incapable of managing their own money, and I don't see why they should be aided by the government at the expense of people who are responsible with money and simply want to see it stay ahead of inflation.

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  • This_is_me
    Love rating 24
    This_is_me said

    If the idiots that borrowed and spent instead of being sensible and the banks who gave them the money go bust then tough they deserved it. Why should the sensible suffer for them?

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  • nickpike
    Love rating 277
    nickpike said

    I've lost thousands in interest and lost thousands in value of my savings due to inflation. I email this to my MP, but does he care, does he hell.

    Gordon Brown has cost me a lot of money. It was he that generated this mess, printed 200 billion causing the inflation and putting IRs at 0.5%. All against the normal logic of proper economic thinking.

    I guess most savers would be Tory voters. I suggest we all boycott the Tory coalition and vote UKIP next time, or some other party, but for gawds sake not labour.

    Cameron and Osborne should be looking after the prudent. The savers outnumber the debtors. I suggest everyone in this mess should regularly email their MP. I do and it lets them know how we feel.

    Might be nice if this site would lobby the government. Or organise a savers strike. Something like we all withdraw our money from the banks.

    The indebted are off to hell in a hand cert. This economic mess has only just begun and the worst is yet to come. Anyone with debts will be hit hard.

    Fortunately, house prices will crumble, and that will help with any recovery.

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  • les1
    Love rating 13
    les1 said

    Sorry Nick Pike but if I remember correctly this site posted an article a few months ago saying that the Baby Boomers were the most selfish generation ever. So I can't see them lobbying anyone on savers behalf because majority of savers are baby boomers & older Seniors. If I am mistaken then I apologise to the lovemoney.

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  • moreteavicar
    Love rating 23
    moreteavicar said

    bengilda said "When I took out my mortgage I was paying 6% interest plus an element for the endowment/life insurance cover. A few years later interest rates were up to 17%."

    And was it not the case that houses were considerably more affordable back then in the 80's? And was it not also the case that commodities - oil, gas, electricity, petrol, grain were a damn sight cheaper w.r.t. to average incomes? Consequently there was a lot more disposable income to absorb interest rate increases than people have now.

    Its not a question of who's fault it is - look at the bigger picture. Do you truly believe our economy and your bank balance would be better off if you raise rates now?

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  • moreteavicar
    Love rating 23
    moreteavicar said

    les1 is right and I recall the article. Indeed, if people want to apportion blame, like good few comments do - baby boomers played no small part in the borrow-to-let market which helped reduce the number of properties on the market, pushing prices ever higher, along with the profligate spending in the 60's and 70's which led to our utilities being sold off in the 80's to help pay the national debt, thus sowing the seed for ever-increasing domestic bills.

    Moral of the story - Don't play the blame game, it solves nothing!

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  • Mike10613
    Love rating 600
    Mike10613 said

    I know savers want an increase in interest rates and borrowers want them to stay low; but is there any common ground? Many savers have their money in bonds and so a rate increase won't help in the short term; they would be happy if rates increased gradually. the borrowers know rates will increase eventually, so is it better for them to increase suddenly when inflation really takes off or gradually starting now? Borrowers could get used to higher rates if they started increasing now rather than wait for shock increases. I think less people would lose their homes if increases were gradual.

    I don't see interest rates increasing before 2013 now unless wage inflation takes off. There is a public sector strike looming over pensions, but it's weak and not likely to be effective; the unions bosses are like the bosses of the banks only interested in their own pay and pensions. I think savers should continue to save, invest and go for the best rates and borrowers should cut spending, cut borrowing and save for the inevitable - higher interest rates. I find people are becoming more thrifty and frugal, spending less on important tat and so I keep writing thrifty and frugal blogs to try to help - http://wp.me/p194MF-pL

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  • oldhenry
    Love rating 274
    oldhenry said

    People seemed to have missed the fact that there is no UK economy anymore. It relies on basically 'cutting each others' hair'. very unlike the German economu which makes products that sell to people abroad, including us.

    So the UK politicans won't admit this as they brought it on so look round for excuses to tax us to pay their stupid projects. PFI is crinimal as it benefits bankers - who are the best mates of polititicnas . No the developers are going to run amok across the countryside, they will not be building factories to create jobs either. But nice 5 bed houses for the few wealthy left in the UK so they can get out of the sight of the peasants struggling in the boxes they built for them- to buy at great cost and profit of course.

    We are all mad putting up the the awful politicians they we have.

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  • chuckbk
    Love rating 8
    chuckbk said

    As a saver and investor with no debt you might assume I would wan't interest rates to rise, but I don't.

    One needs to think about the consequences - mass mortgage and company defaults followed by a completly collapsed economy that would make Greece look rich. The banks would completly crash as the holders of all this defaulted debt. That scenario would be in nobodys interest.

    It's true that a lot of borrowers only have themselves to blame but I don't want to teach them a lesson by destroying my own future.

    For the same reasons I don't want to see a house price crash, just a steady adjustment to more realistic levels.

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