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Wednesday Wealth Dilemma: Overseas Investment Property

This week's Wednesday Wealth Dilemma  is about overseas investment property. This is a long blog post about ours - why we bought it, the pitfalls and pleasures, and what we should do with it now. As always, it would be good to hear your own experiences, and thoughts about our dilemma, by adding a comment below. 

Like middle-aged lemmings on speed, the missus and I leapt at the chance to withdraw equity from our home during the property boom. We used that borrowing, together with a local Euro mortgage, to buy an off-plan apartment in the French Alps in 2003. 

The glossy sales pitch

A brand new village was being created in a stunning Alpine location with views across to Mont Blanc.

The developer was a well-known North American company which had already built several successful snow resorts, one of which we had skied at and loved. This was their first European foray, and we figured they'd want to make it their showcase for further expansion. 

The location of the apartment would be ski-in, ski-out, which is heavenly, as all of you who have trudged a mile in ski boots to the nearest lift, carrying skis, poles and a mountainous hangover will testify.

They promised the return on investment would be a healthy "5%-10%, once the village had been fully developed, based on average occupancy rates of 70%-80%". 

The investment logic

Despite investing in one place, we wanted to be able to explore different countries and cultures whenever we liked, rather than return to the same place year after year. The ownership structure offered that flexibility - we would own the freehold but would enter into a leaseback arrangement, retaining 2 weeks each year for our own use. 

The rest of the time, the apartment would be marketed by the French management company and run by them, like a conventional hotel. 

We hoped that once the mortgages were repaid, the property would eventually provide an income for our retirement.

Seemple, n'est-ce pas ?      

The reality

Our apartment was completed on time, on budget and is top notch. We're above the boulangerie - and the smell and taste of freshly baked croissants on a sunny alpine morning are incroyable

So what's the problem? Money, naturellement. 

From the start, compulsory costs were way in excess of what was "promised" by the developer during the sales pitch. Revenues were less than forecast, which was market-driven to some extent, but the financial reporting of the French operator was more opaque than a crêperie window in a blizzard. And the complex structure of relationships set up by the developer contained inherent conflicts of interests between different parties. 

Our return on investment was initially around 2.5% gross, 1% net of costs other than mortgage interest. It's currently closer to a dizzying 3.5% gross and 2% net, still a far cry from the heralded 5%-10%, even though the village is completed. I know the financial and property markets have since collapsed, but it's tough to see how the promised land was reachable even at the height of the boom. 

Where are we now?  

  • 6 years into a 10 year repayment Euro mortgage, currently paying a reasonably low variable interest rate of 2.35%
  • The developer recently sold their parts of the village to France's leading holiday apartment rental company - we're hopeful that they will be more transparent with owners and have more marketing muscle to improve both room and occupancy rates as markets recover
  • We are trying to sell our apartment, but so are many other owners. Our asking price is marginally above what we paid for it, but the Euro is now around 25% stronger against Sterling than when we bought. Mortgage repayments cost more, but our apartment is worth more in local currency terms. We could probably sell if we dropped the price 10%-15%. 

So where does all this fit in with a blog about growing your wealth, and what is the dilemma?

The dilemma 

What should we do with our mountain retreat? Should we:

  • keep the apartment for a few years in the hope that the new management company starts to improve the return and its value?
  • keep for the long term in the hope that once the mortgage is repaid, it provides a reasonable retirement income as we had originally planned?
  • sell now while the value is lower but the Euro is strong? That raises the further question of what we'd do with any equity realized, but let's cover that in another blog post!
  • chuck in our jobs here, live in the apartment, work in the boulangerie, get fat on fresh baguettes and become ageing ski-bums? And don't forget, you too can follow a lovemoney goal on Get ready to retire.

Please post any comments below!

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johnie said

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Put a 'value' on the pleasure you get from using the apartment and add that to your return.

We've had our place for 8 years and 'lost' money on it every year, but the joy of turning up there and using it as a base for other travel far outweighs the net cost.

J

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Hi Johnie

Yes, quite a few people bought apartments in our village more as "lifestyle investments"...they are very happy to spend weeks out there with families, and not so worried about the investment return.

We, on the other hand, bought more for the promised cold hard cash than the aesthetic experience, so not sure my "pleasure value" would equate to a huge amount....as nice as the place is!

Thanks for the comment...and keep them coming.

Andrew 

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I have have looked long and hard at French leaseback arrangements. I speak French as a third language but well and am familiar with French law. They are tempting at first sight but my impression was and remains that the investor takes the bulk of the risks and the companies both managing the infrastructure or renting the property for commercial profit make the most money with minimal risk. 

I accept the "pleasure value"argument but there are so many other ways that one can achieve this without the risks.

The current spate of such companies going into liquidation leaving investors high and dry with no income, virtually no redress a large mortgage to pay from own income and no one to look after and rent out the property are a taste of what can happen.

I'm not sure the change of contractor will necessary be beneficial. the larger companies have more clout and more experience in dealing with the little man - especially at renegotiating leases that have run their term and all coming up for renewal at roughly the same time which means its not realistic to expect to be able to sell easily at a fair market price.

I would sell up if a sound opportunity presented itself at a good price and would look for something better. Of course the notary's fees and registration taxes are a deterrent that discourages one from two frequent buying and selling.

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@frenchcoastbunny

Merci beaucoup for your thoughtful comments!

I agree with some of what you say about the French sale-and-leaseback arrangements, but that shouldn't necessarily mean investors always get shafted. Thankfully we have a group of very committed owners working on behalf of us all to try and do away with the conflicts of interest set up by the original developer, and get the right balance for all interested parties.

And don't forget the tax break of sale-and-leaseback...saving 19.6% French VAT up-front is pretty damned attractive.

Fortunately our situation in the village isn't quite so dire as the picture you paint. But I'd be happy to sell at a reasonable price now, even if a buyer benefits from future growth in income and value. But I'm not sure we'd buy somewhere else!

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I am pleased to hear that you do have the benefit of a group of other very committed owners as holiday destinations where many owners may be distant and of widely scattered origins can pose a real problem and hamper owner participation in the ongoing management of such assets.

You also mention the tax breaks available but perhaps for the benfit of readers one should also indicate there are quite a number of terms and conditions attached to these which have to be fulfilled for a defined period and over which owners may not be fully in control. Like all tax authorities the French ones whilst fair are strict.  Failure to respect the terms results in a tax charge plus retroactive interest. Of course if the main purpose of the scheme, to support the development of tourism infrastructure and assist the creation of jobs in the sector disappears they are quick to act. Recent examples of the operators closing down becuase of other finanacial difficulties has not only left groups of owners with a development to manage but also tax clawbacks becuase the terms of the scheme in which they are only ones of the actors has been breached and through no fault of their own.

I am curious why you would not buy somewhere else. Its a superb country with lots of opportunities for investment and good return but which are often overlooked by those coming into the market with rosy pre conceived ideas of their ideal. 

I accept I may paint a rather gloomy picture but then is it not about time potential buyers were given access to a fair and balanced assessment of what they are about to sstep into. I may be committing a reverse sin to those develiopers that only vaunt the positive and attractive and that which helps them to sell and profit but at least by doing so I hope I can help open eyes, enlighten the uniintiated and thus enrich the debate.

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I am in a similar position. I bought a property in Southern Cyprus back in 2007. The property is wonderful but the investment is not so much! Unlike you I do not have a management rental company and I am looking to market the property for rentals myself. Good websites for this I have been told are  http://www.villarenters.com   they are free to advertise with but charge 10% commission for any bookings and also   http://www.holidaylettings.co.uk/    who are apparently the UK's number one and are currently offering an extra 3 months free adverising if you book 12 months by quoting 45755.

I would love to sale my property but I know if I did I would have to make a loss because of the weak sterling. Therefore I'm going to try and keep hold of my proeprty for the next few years and hope that the property market increases in value.

Any help, advice and tips from anyone would be VERY much appreciated. Oh and if anyone wants to stay in a beautiful 2 bedroom townhouse, mountain backdrop, distant sea views, balcony, private terrace garden, 5 minutes from Paphos airport, airconditioning, close to golf courses and communal swimming pools - I'll give you a good discount!

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@ frenchcoastbunny, encore une fois

Thanks for enriching the debate hugely - you're right to mention the complexities & risks of the French sale-and-leaseback rules....there's a brief overview from Wikipedia here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leaseback

We expect that because of the great location and long-term potential of our village, all interested parties will work together to make it a success. Not guaranteed, of course, and it helps to do as much "due diligence" as possible before buying. I'm writing a separate lovemoney article at the moment on what we've learnt from buying our overseas property....your own comments on that will also be much appreciated.

D'accord....la France, c'est magnifique. The only reason we're reluctant to invest again - if we sell - is that we love exploring other places and don't want to be pulled back to the same place too often. But that could change if we had more time on our hands ;-)

@ Scott-the-swot

Thanks for the comment.

We pay a huge % of the income from our property to the management company, but for that they market the village worldwide, provide booking systems, reception, security, cleaning etc. You'll receive most of the income, but have all the hassle that comes with that, including the marketing, cleaning, checking-in and out, and everything else. I guess it depends on your individual circumstances what's best for you.

Good luck with your place, and any of your thoughts on my imminent article on buying a place abroad would also be very welcome.

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rjhand99 said

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Back in 2007 my wife and I purchased a two bedrooom apartment on the Hacienda riquelmen Golf Resort, a Polaris World Jack Nicklaus venture in Sucina, SE Spain.  At the timie we had no other properties and saw this as a medium to lobng term opportunity to invest in propoerty.  At the time we were planning to start a family.  We now have 2 children and thought that the place in Spain would allow us to holiday serveral times a year at a far reduced price.  So where are we now.....?

The resort is nearing final completion due primarily to protracted planning complications faced by Polaris to redevelop the historic hacienda building.  By summer this year the place will be all but complete, which is a huge plus for me and fellow owners.  The PGA has already shown interest in hosting major golfing events on the course which will do wonders for ear-marking the course as one of europe's top golfing venues.  Again, potential strong upside for investors.

However, we have struggled to rent the property during 2009 and the FX rate has bottoming out durin gthat period hurt the wallet badly.  As you can see the propspect for growth seem good and the infrastructure in the area has been developed in readiness for the upturn.  So the dilemma is 'what to do next'?  Hold on and keep suffering the mortgage charges in the hope the complex and the wider Spanish market rises?   Or, sell now and take any small return the current FX rates might attract?

We have several other UK property investments and have done reasonably well with those having renovated them and set them up for long term rentals.  Ideally I would not have opted to invest in the Spanish market but hindsight is a wonderful thing!

Thoughts warmly received....

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